We published a plan to get us out of the EU in January 2017

I keep hearing  the falsehood that the Brexiteers have no alternative plan to the government’s White Paper. I point out we have proposed a comprehensive free trade deal, or the WTO Global UK options.

Then I am told wrongly  we have no worked out White Paper to match the government’s. We published a 108 page document entitled “The Road to Brexit” based on the all day experts seminars we held on October 16 2016 and 27 January 2017. This document set out how to send the Article 50 letter and how to handle the UK legal issues in a single Bill which became the EU Withdrawal Bill. It went on to discuss how to negotiate a free trade agreement, and how to put in place winning policies on fishing, farming, the budget, taxation, migration, borders and much else where there are gains to be had from leaving.

Some of this was summarised on this site in the form of the Minutes of the first seminar on October 3 2016.  The document is still good advice today.

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  1. Peter Wood
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Dr. Redwood,

    You won’t get many dissenting voices here for this. BUT, why have you not been able to win the arguments for Brexit, with your parliamentary colleagues? It should be possible by now to dispose of every Remainer argument based on solid economic data or national interest terms.

    • Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

      There are so many of us thinking this, Peter. We KNOW Dr Redwood is not a lone voice, and, as you say, there are many solid facts to defeat all their remain blather.

      Why are we being taken for this roller-coaster ride? It shouldn’t be necessary. The vote was for LEAVE. Why do he and his colleagues need to allow this chicanery to continue?

      • Helena
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:23 am | Permalink

        Please can you tell me what LEAVE means? Does it mean LEAVE and be like Norway? Does it mean LEAVE and be like Switzerland? Does it mean LEAVE and be like Russia? Does it mean LEAVE and be like Peru?

        We are in this mess because LEAVE was a fantasy, not a defined reality

        • Anonymous
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 7:20 am | Permalink

          LEAVE means full control of laws, borders and money.

          Anything which compromises on any one of these things is REMAIN.

        • Edward2
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:02 am | Permalink

          Tell us what your vision for remaining in the EU is Helena.
          Are any or all of the following ones you like :-
          EU armed forces, Turkey becoming a member, other former USSR satellite nations as members, UK dropping the pound and joining the Euro, common EU taxation policy, end of our current rebate, more issues decided on QMV ?

          PS leaving means becoming an independent nation.
          In control of our courts, laws, borders, tax policies and free to make trade agreements with the other 160 nations of the world.

        • A.Sedgwick
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:21 am | Permalink

          Remain is the fantasy where we lose our democracy. Leave means we resign from all things EU on 29/03/19 and if e.g. German cars, French wine, Italian cheese are no longer available so be it. There could be short term problems but nothing in comparison with ditching hundreds of years of sovereignty.

        • libertarian
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:15 am | Permalink

          Helena

          This is the problem we have with remainers, you can’t contemplate that just like the rest of the world we dont need to be managed by a Euro Federal bureaucracy in order to trade . We leave, all of it. We trade under WTO rules , we then negotiate potential FTA’s going forward. Just like,,,,, er everyone else.

    • Simon Coleman
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

      There’s the Brexiteers’ problem. Solid economic data supports the Remain case. Why do you think businesses are overwhelmingly against Brexit?

      • mancunius
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

        Because large global multinats have taken years and spent billions on installing PR offices in Brussels to lobby the EU so as to obtain a regulation regime that they themselves can absorb as write-downs for tax purposes, but their smaller rivals cannot afford. This has preserved their business moats. Take all that away, and those deep, wide, comfort-zone business moats are no longer assured.
        Their faux-concern with ’employees’ or ‘unemployment’ is laughable. It’s only about profits and bonuses. These are companies that leave the UK and build a factory in Romania or Poland just because the wages are cheaper there, and because they receive EU subsidies for so doing.
        And it is an untruth to claim that businesses are ‘overwhelmingly against Brexit’. Most UK businesses export little or nothing to the EU: it is the few large industrials that have complex EU supply chains that are complaining.
        And they have the most clout with the CBI and IoD.
        Are the people of this country not to have self-government simply because a handful of large multinationals (many with foreign CEOs who have no voting rights in our elections and no say in our constitution) threaten their workforces with factory closure? For ever factory closed, three will spring up in their place to employ the skilled workers.

        • Edward2
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:39 am | Permalink

          Excellent post mancunius.
          The rich elite in big business love the EU and have done well out of it making entry to markets more difficult for SMEs and its low corporate tax or even zero tax for the biggest companies and it’s endless supply of min wage labour being allowed in.

          One day soon the liberal left will wake up to this reality.

        • Denis Cooper
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:29 am | Permalink

          Well said.

      • libertarian
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

        Simon Coleman

        Businesses are NOT overwhelmingly Remain in fact the opposite 63% voted Leave.

        • Lifelogic
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:57 am | Permalink

          Indeed. It is only the large multinationals in the main that are pro EU. They want small businesses unable to compete due to bureaucratic over regulation.

      • Stephen Priest
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

        Simon Coleman: “Solid economic data supports the Remain case.”

        Such a massive unemployment in Italy, Spain and France.

        • Lifelogic
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:58 am | Permalink

          According to all the “expert” economists who were in favour or the ERM and the EURO.

      • Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

        Self-interest, perhaps?

      • cornishstu
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

        where is your evidence? the EU’s own data shows uk to benefit the least from the single market.

      • James Barr
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:24 am | Permalink

        Dyson, JCB, and Wetherspoons are very much pro Brexit.

        • libertarian
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:19 am | Permalink

          As is John Mills, Jim Ratcliffe, Rocco Forte, Wedge Galvanising, Dunelm, Interfish, Bristol Port Co , Lord Harris, Lord Digby Jones and many many more All Brexit supports. Just because the media only give air time to Pro EU businesses doesn’t mean thats what ALL businesses want

      • Anonymous
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 7:50 am | Permalink

        Remain businesses want open borders to millions of the EU’s poor.

        This policy requires taxpayer subsidy therefore those businesses are subsidised.

        The only solid economic data needed is the level of national debt.

    • getahead
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

      Peter, ” It should be possible by now to dispose of every Remainer argument.”
      I have yet to see a logical and truthful Remainer argument. Most Remainer arguments are based on an irrational left-wing ideology. Remainers ignore the fact that the EU costs Britain far too much money for no gain.

      • margaret howard
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

        Makes you wonder why we begged to join it in the first place.

        Well, I shall tell you why:

        It turned us from the ‘sick man of Europe’ into the world’s 5th largest, most successful economy, now alas already fallen to 7th since Brexit.

        We ditched our commonwealth partners like Australia and New Zealand overnight so keen were we to join.

        Now back to square one!

        • Edward2
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:45 am | Permalink

          Yet growth figures from the time we joined show little obvious extra growth.
          The Single Market/customs union has been more of a benefit for those importing into the UK.
          Thatchers policies and those policies carried forward together with the effects of globalisation have had more of a positive effect than anything our membership ever had.

          • margaret howard
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 10:38 am | Permalink

            Is that why Thatcher was such an ardent pro EU campaigner in the 1975 referendum? She was obviously aware what membership could do for the country.

          • Edward2
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

            Lady Thatcher was pro EU back in 1975
            So was I
            Today’s EU has been hijacked.
            It’s original intent and objectives have been lost.
            It is tragic.

          • Simon Coleman
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

            Thatcher was pro-EU for a long time and signed the Single European Act in the mid-1980s.

        • Anonymous
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 7:54 am | Permalink

          You forgot to mention Thatcherism.

        • libertarian
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

          margaret howard

          I guess like a lot of people you haven’t noticed that the world has changed a lot since 1975

          Amongst a host of things, container shipping, low cost air travel, the internet and world wide web, mobile phones, smartphones, MRI scanners, GPS, polymerase chain reaction, IEEE 802.16, fibre optics, etc etc etc . It never ceases to amaze me how so many people never recognise the changes going on around them.

          • Edward2
            Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

            Like politicians who think they can stop world trade.

    • Jagman84
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

      Incentives or coercion? It’s either one or the other, in my experience. There are no tests for honesty, for budding MPs. I am sure that the Government whips are content with that as it makes controlling them so much easier.

  2. Steve
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Sir

    I strongly suggest you now have a plan to bring May down, and execute it very quickly.

  3. Lifelogic
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Exactly.

    Theresa May has surely compounded the gross negligence of David Cameron (in failing to prepare for Brexit outcome) with her own gross negligence. This by failing to prepare for no deal. The Checkers deal now proposed is far worse than no deal and the EU will doubtless make it even worse still.

    It is absolutely vital we have proper no deal preparation in place. Indeed not having it in place already is the main reason we now have no sensible deal now.

    Mrs May the other day claimed that “We have come to a deal that absolutely delivers what people voted for”. Does anyone at all think this is remotely what people voted for. Does she even? Certainly no one I know does.

    May is going to bury the Tories for many terms if she is not stopped very soon indeed. Corbyn/SNP is far more of a threat to the economy than a no deal WTO Brexit.

  4. zorro
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Indeed, here is the original document…. https://www.centreforsocialjustice.org.uk/core/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/160930-CSJJ4877_Brexit_essay_collection_0916_WEB.pdf

    As you say, it stands the test of time and puts T May’s fudge into perspective.

    zorro

    Reply Thanks, that is the 2016 version. The Jan 2017 was fuller

    • Puffer Fish
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

      zorro, thanks for the 2016/10 document. I am looking forward to reading the 2017/01. I just have one question: as such documents were ready more than a year ago, why have they not been taken as basis for discussion within the Government, with the EU?
      I cannot make any sense of the situation.

      • libertarian
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

        Puffer Fish

        Obviously because Mrs May , her cabinet and the Civil Service all wish to remain in the EU

    • acorn
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

      Both versions were so naive; Treasury techies joked that it had come from a local Primary School.

      The major failing of the UK system of government is that political parties do not build governing competence in their senior membership. Hence, we get a conveyor belt of know-nothing muppets running Ministries. We get eight (8) Housing Ministers in eight years! Housing minister this week; Brexit minister next week. Health secretary this week; foreign secretary next week. This is not the way to operate a £2,000 billion economy!

      Get the “executive” out of the “legislature”. Elect a prime minister / president by national popular vote. Let him/her appoint a cabinet from non-elected persons who have proven that they actually know what they are doing.

      • mickc
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 5:41 am | Permalink

        Whilst not an admirer of Gove, he was certainly right that we have had enough of “experts”. The EU is run by the sort of people you want to run the UK; they have not proved to know what they are doing.
        Britain’s decline has occurred whilst “the man in Whitehall knows best”; he didn’t.
        Government by common sense is what is required; experts rarely have it.

      • Edward2
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:48 am | Permalink

        Acorn, that sounds like a plan for the end of parliamentary government to be replaced by unelected technocrats,
        Hang on….you mean just like the EU.

      • David Price
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 7:15 am | Permalink

        As an engineer there is a certain attraction to what you say in your second and third paragraphs.

        But then I look around and examples of what you propose get things just as wrong if not more disastrously so – the EU with Merkel’s unilateral destruction of borders, the economic disasters of the Southern states. What stands out is the unwillingness to engage with the public in so-called democracies and worse still treating then with contempt and blatant deception. Until the question is asked and the response is such a shock – in the UK, the USA and even the EU. Your “competent” administrations all react the same way though, to suppress popular dissent and protect their own butts.

        This arrogance appears systemic to groups of bureaucrats brought through highly organised institutions for churning out pro-statist administrators. The same attitude is evident in your first paragraph.

    • Leilo Fraser
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:33 am | Permalink

      Fascinating. So Mr Redwood predicts that “large commercial interests on the Continent” will make sure we get a good deal. How’s that going then?

  5. eeyore
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I keep hearing the same tiresome falsehood too. JR could do worse than submit a letter to The Times repeating the points raised in this post. Remainers would then have no excuse for their ignorance.

  6. Adam
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the only plan that is missing is the one for the alternative Leader to be appointed to pursue & implement the alternative, better plan.

    Boris Johnson’s resignation speech next week might spur action where needed.

  7. Stephen Priest
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Theresa May’s only plan was surrender

  8. Den
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    So why has Downing Street not seized upon this document, as a blueprint if nothing else? Did David Davis see it as Brexit Secretary?
    I do despair for the country and its democracy when Downing Street announces clear falsehoods to gain their own way and decide how we should leave the EU and when.
    Does Mrs May not realise the anti-Government tsunami rising against her? All because she is reneging on OUR Referendum just as Blair and Cameron did over the Lisbon Treaty. Democracy is ebbing away from us and it will create serious civil order problems.
    What has happened here? Anarchy in the corridors of power?

    • Stred
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

      May and the civil service took on the job unwillingly and didn’t look at the work or manifestos of Ukip or Leave. They both said that they wanted EU citizens already here to be welcome to stay. The ambassador persuaded her to use them as bargaining chips and got bogged down im a pointless diversion. It’s almost ad is Sir Humphry was creating problems to delay and reverse. May could be a dim Hacker but more likely is a political civil servant. The last tjing they want is Trump style dealing or a well planned exit.

      • Stred
        Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

        as if. The phone alters words and covers up the script with computer code about HTML tags, whatever they are.

        • Puffer Fish
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:04 am | Permalink

          Can’t you turn ‘predictive text’ off?

    • getahead
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

      Anarchy in the corridors of power?
      Yup. It’s called the Establishment, who for some reason want reduce the British middle classes into serfdom. The Establishment has a pathological hatred for the likes of Donald Trump and Nigel Farage who are trying to restore the rights of the voter.
      Party manifestos have become meaningless. Cameron promised to honor the referendum result but oh dear it was the wrong one so he ran away.
      The Establishment does not do democracy.
      Theresa works for the Snake Hammond who in turn works for Brussels connected businesses who represent only 7.3% of the UK economy.
      The voter does not stand a chance.

  9. ian
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Well, you waste your time then, no one listening, you will be lucky to have 45 Brexit leave politicians by the end of next week, sorry for being blunt.

    They know it only a matter of time before you and B.C with D.D and others retire from parliament leaving a small group to carry on with Ress Mogg, it seems that the right of the Tory party is like the country, managing a long-term decline.

  10. agricola
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    If Mrs May persists with her ridiculous White Paper she will have HoC resistance followed by EU resistance to deal with. Her WP is a betrayal of 17.4 million voters and it contradicts everything she has said in public for the past two years. It is a thoroughly disreputable attempt to push through a remainer plan in disguise. Donald Trump could not have destroyed it more effectively than he did. She must go and her polishers of truth with her.

    • Stred
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

      Trump chose his words carefully when he said This incredible woman, right here, is doing a fantastic job..

      She is unbelievable, incredible and Brexit means Brexit is fantasy.

  11. ian wragg
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    beginning May has been determined to thwart Brexit. She was the establishment choice and no doubt in thrall to the unelected Civil Servants.
    The script is a classic “Yes Minister” and would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.
    She has weaponised the Irish border in cahoots with Brussels and she has written a White Paper based on Brussels advice,
    Already the polls are sowing a resurgence of UKIP and the Democrats & Veteran parties which are pro Brexit.
    The voters are not going to look kindly on a Vicars daughter who is a brazen liar.
    It looks very much like our spineless politicians are going to get away with signing us up to perpetual Brussels control through a treaty which includes a “Non Regression” clause for Environment, taxation, social and welfare areas which will have to mirror EU regs. This is over and above continued membership of the SM and CU.
    She just has to rename Free Movement and its game, set and match to Heywood and Robbins.
    The oldest political party in the world is in its death throes, and rightly so.

    • ian wragg
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

      From the beginning .

  12. Caterpillar
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Dr Redwood, could you add a link to the document please? (I can only find the 50ish page one.) Thanks.

  13. fedupsoutherner
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    It’s obvious that the government just don’t want Brexit. They won’t even look at other alternatives. I despair, truly, of what will become of the UK if we go down the present route. We are doomed with Labour and doomed half in half out of the EU. What a mess politicians have made of it all.

  14. Den
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    So, John, why not publish this document in a Brexit Friendly National newspaper? Of if there are none, put it here on your Blog. Let the whole of the UK and the rest of the world study it and then wonder why it was never, at least, reviewed, by the Brexit team in Downing Street.
    What is there to lose by doing so?

    Reply I will put it up again on the site on Monday when in the office. It was published as a printed document, and No 10 advisers came to the seminars. Other government departments were also represented.

    • Den
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

      Thank you John but….”Number 10 ” advisers” “? That scares me and has done so since Blair disposed of so many but enlisted a PR man instead.
      Number 10, SPADs (Whatever their qualifications) were the writers of the last Tory GE Manifesto and made a terrible job of that. Now here it seems one never learns from one’s mistakes. Is it idiotic arrogance or plain ignorance at play here?

      Mrs T, our last ‘Great’ PM had advisers I believe but it is clear she knew best how to select and how utilise them.
      I and no doubt, many others await the new release on Monday.

    • Den
      Posted July 17, 2018 at 8:36 am | Permalink

      John I post here to keep on subject, is there any chance of your 108 page ‘Leave the EU’ document popping up today, July 17th?
      I appreciate it is rather large to load up but is size suggests it is not a mere brief on a plan but the real McCoy.
      Given the HoC summer break just a week away, think it essential that we ordinary folk get to see the “Leavers” alternative to “Chequers” before the MPs “disappear”, especially those Remainers. Thanks.

      Reply I have asked for the October version to appear on my site as I have the electronic text of that

  15. ian
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    No homecoming welcome for England football team never happened. Socialist liberal politicians intervene again with political correctness. Uk is in a political pressure cooker.

  16. Way off
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Mrs Sturgeon is applying her usual wisdom in getting trade deals and jobs for Scotland this time by snubbing Trump.

    Beyond her silly rhetoric, not many countries have leaders up to her declared elevated standards.True she did go to China and we should expect Scotland, if she has her way, to model its constitution on it.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

      It would serve them right if Trump closed Turnberry and his golf course in Aberdeen and dumped the jobs that go with them. I live 20 mins from Turnberry and Trump employs over 250 people directly and more indirectly. This area would certainly miss the employment. Idiots, the lot of them (SNP and protesters) but then we already knew that.

  17. Roger
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Again you are conflating brexit with whatever we can negotiate by way of trade into the future.

    The two are very different..we have to conclude the brexit part by October first otherwise we are going to leave suddenly in March and with no transition period to something else.

    There are those who think that we don’t need something else and I’m sure it will suit some who are well cushioned, but there are others including some businesses who will feel the pain..it is going to affect the whole economy in time and this is what we should be preparing for now.

    Today I read that the Irish are already out recruiting hundreds of more customs officials and preparations are well underway at Dublin port and Rosslare

    Some are quite convinced that it does not matter now, the EU are never going to agree a deal into the future..they are fed up with the squabbling..they just want to have brexit in March and tidy up the loose ends..thinking in brussels is that there is a sizable segment of British opinion who will never ever be satisfied, no matter what?, this I believe- and so time out is now called for

    • Edward2
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:52 am | Permalink

      The EU doesn’t want to do a deal.
      It never has.
      It has rejected several different options and will soon reject this current one.
      It would be very nice to do a deal but what do you do when one side keeps rejecting it?

  18. Mark B
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    And there was FLEXIT before that !

  19. Richard1
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    There seem to be two schools of brexiteers now. The Gove-Raab group says let’s just get out as best we can in March 19, and sort out the mess afterwards (presumably replacing Mrs May on or soon after March 30 19). Then there’s the ‘ultras’ as they are becoming known – I assume our host is one such? – who say we need to get the right terms in the Brexit deal and will vote against a bad deal. One thing does seem to be clear – there won’t be a good deal with Mrs May at the helm. A decision to leave Mrs May in post is a decision to go with the Gove-Raab strategy.

    What I’d like to know is how free we would be under the white paper proposal eg to plug into the Australia – NZ FTA, TPP, NAFTA etc? This seems to me the main issue – if we can really strike dramatic new free trade arrangements I wouldn’t mind it taking a few years to wriggle out of EU restrictions. If on the other hand we would be heavily constrained we’d be better off either under WTO (presumably needing more time to prepare) or remaining a member of the EU.

    • mancunius
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

      Richard1 – If you think about the consequences of the White Paper proposals, the non-regression pacts and so on, and imagine the very minimum that Brussels will add, it’s obvious that the first thing they will do is to make it impossible for any government or parliament to repudiate the Treaty, by making any terms of divergence so lastingly punitive for Britain that any attempt to break away and regain national independence would never get through Parliament. So the White Paper agreement is not a ‘preliminary stage’. It is designed to be permanent by its instigators (who were the EU, of course).

      The irony is that if still in the EU, and with a genuine Brexit government, we could trigger Art. 50 and make full 24-month preparations for a no-deal. As it is, we can now see that our PM has deliberately wasted as much time as possible to stymie a proper Brexit and give the EU as much power as possible. This hindsight is very New Labour EU politics – Blair was expert at simulating a stance that nobody could prove was phoney until it was too late to do anything about it.

      Her next move (after Barnier stonewalls yet again) is to tell Raab that he’s looked at preparing for a no-deal scenario (as was his bright-eyed promise last week) and they’ve all decided no-deal is no-go. So the only feasible alternatives are EEA or cancelling Art. 50 (which might be subject to legal challenge, were the court not the ever-Commission-compliant ECJ).

  20. alan jutson
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    I simply do not understand if some major work had been done on Brexit why this document was not used as a basis for forming the official one.

    Was this document ever submitted to the Cabinet, if so was it rejected, how, and by whom.

    Was it submitted to David Davis, if not why not and what did he say and do with it.

    Has the Cabinet to your knowledge even discussed a WTO deal in detail ?

    Cannot remember hearing about this before in any press release or media interview.

    Why not publish it now as an alternative, if not for anything else but a comparison with the useless document which Mrs May has produced..

    Reply yEs we published it, sent it to government and some of them came to the seminars

    • Dennis
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

      “Reply yEs we published it, sent it to government and some of them came to the seminars”

      Then what happened? What was the response? JR you are doing what most politicians do – giving the least information possible you can try to get away with which satisfies no one.

      Or were the responses buried under national security considerations?

  21. Christine
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    We demand to see a NO DEAL plan of action with weekly updates regarding progress. I’m sick and tired of all the political shenanigans wasting time until we are told there is no other option left other than extending the article 50 deadline. Everything this PM does is in pursuit of having a second referendum hoping we vote to re-join this dictatorship. Even if this results in a Corbyn Government. She clearly puts the EU before both her party and the UK. Why so many MPs go along with this self-destructive strategy is a complete mystery to me.

  22. Blue and Gold
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    ‘ experts seminars ‘ eh, I thought Brexiteers didn’t like ‘experts’. How bizarre.

    • Edward2
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:56 am | Permalink

      Understandable after so many experts got their forecasts wrong in what is now termed the Project Fear campaign.

    • libertarian
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:23 am | Permalink

      Blue and Gold

      Surely the EU has a standardised regulation and qualification for what constitutes and expert?

      Or is the term expert actually meaningless and just refers to someone with experience of a field in which the analysis and predictions they make are more often right than wrong , and If those experts then get it more wrong than right we can dismiss their expertise as being invalid

  23. Bob
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Something is seriously wrong in London, people protesting against President Trump’s visit were given the green light to do whatever they wanted to do, including flying a rather puerile balloon over Westminster, while a group of ukippers who wanted to hold a meeting outside the US consulate and submit a letter welcoming President Trump to Britain are issued with section 12 notices and threatened with arrest.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

      Bob. Disgusting! Welcome to modern democracy in the UK.

    • Kipped Out
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

      Send your letter by post like normal people

      • mancunius
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

        Keep your balloons for children’s parties, like normal people.

  24. libertarian
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Saturday Evening

    Britain Elects Poll

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 40% (-)
    CON: 36% (-6)
    UKIP: 8% (+5)

    Bye bye Tory Party , if you want to save yourselves you only have one option, Whiskey & revolver …you know it makes sense

    • Psychic
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

      What was the voting intention for the Referendum?

      • libertarian
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 9:42 am | Permalink

        good point, however there is a big difference between a binary referendum and a general election. The interesting thing from this poll is the direction of change

        • Psychic
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

          I grant you that. I have in fact noticed people, usually non-political types, are getting angry and heading for UKIP solutions

  25. Andy
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Lewis Carroll published Alice in Wonderland.

    It is similar to the Brexiteers publication in three ways.

    1) Both are works is fiction.

    2) Neither are serious plans for our future.

    3) There are Mad Hatters involved in both.

    • Prigger
      Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

      Alice in Wonderland was written, in addition, as satire on something. It’s on two levels,find out what level you are on. We know!

    • Edward2
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 12:00 am | Permalink

      That’s a very childish response Andy.

    • Simon Coleman
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 12:24 am | Permalink

      And both involve falling into a very deep hole!

      • Edward2
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:57 am | Permalink

        Both were fantasies that had happy endings.

    • libertarian
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:24 am | Permalink

      Andy

      A work of fiction like the Airbus scare story then …..

  26. Javelin
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    It appears the Conservatives have handed Labour a landslide victory.

  27. Iain Gill
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Conservatives 6 points behind labour in the polls

    Core vote busy deserting them

    What a mess Mrs May has created

  28. HarveyG
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Strange sort of behaviour from Liam Fox this evening..coming out to complain about the British people protesting against Trump..what would he have us do..to lie down and be quiet while this good for nothing, fake lying, misogynistic creep swanks around as if he owns this country..shame on the govrrnment for inviting him
    here..and worse.. rolling out the red carpet for him..shame on Liam Fox too for seeming to defend this awful person

    • libertarian
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:25 am | Permalink

      Harvey G

      Please provide a list of all the REALLY awful people that have had state visits that you have taken to the streets to protest about

  29. Steve
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Her Majesty’s Government. Not mine, not yours,…hers ! It has her name on it.

    Given May’s treason and the evident coup within Westminster, perhaps the Queen might consider removing May.

    If not, one thing occurs to me; we don’t need to be the salaries of 600+ traitors so might as well cut them out and just pay Brussels instead. The monarchy can go as well if its so utterly bloody useless when there’s been a coup.

  30. Norman
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    What a week! What a world! What a battle! And the nastiest show their true colours, fooling no-one but themselves!

  31. Stan
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    First of all we have to get the divorce settlement out of the way..the white paper will not be acceptable to anyone so we will crash out for a few years until we can get a canada plus deal set up

    • mancunius
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

      No, a no-deal does what it says on the tin. It’s not a settlement – not a centime for your favourite charity, the Belgian Home for Useless Bureaucrats.

  32. libertarian
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Andy, Newmainia, Tablazero etc

    “Airbus bosses are furious after the government asked them to publish a dire forecast of the impact of Brexit on their business. Then the government handed a £2bn RAF contract to Boeing ”

    Ha ha ha ha Remainers the most incompetent people on the planet

    All you Remainers on here will now have to go back and revisit all your silly Airbus posts

  33. Briton
    Posted July 14, 2018 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Sunday’s Press
    The oldest Party of Group Leader’s trick in the book.
    “Back me and my plan or, all will all fail. Counting on “lesser of the two evils” and in Mrs May’s case the threat of Remainers ( just like Mrs May ) but cross-party, who seek to smash Brexit.
    But we voted Leave. We will leave. It is written. That is where the con trick meets its Waterloo.

  34. Javelin
    Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:26 am | Permalink

    Liberal votes dropped from 22 to 8 points in the GE following Cleggs tripling of University. Yet in 2010 after he did that the voting intentions barely dropped. If you google the voting intentions vs actual GE results you will see the full horror of what is about to hapoen to the Comservative Party.

    Now the Conservatives have slumped 6 points in the polls. The maths tell you that at the very least they will drop 14 points – but I think percentages are a better gauge here. So Im guessing Conservatives are about to lose 64% of their voters.

    • Edward2
      Posted July 15, 2018 at 7:02 am | Permalink

      Wait until we see the Labour manifesto.
      Once voters see the high tax, high borrowing, hard left, pro trade union, back to the 70s, hard left policies there could well be a different result.

      • Anonymous
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 8:11 am | Permalink

        People just won’t vote. There really is no point.

      • libertarian
        Posted July 15, 2018 at 11:27 am | Permalink

        Edward2

        Sorry the Tories have played that card too many times now. It really has come home to roost. People have had enough. As we never get what we vote for its all become a sham

        • Edward2
          Posted July 15, 2018 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

          Sadly I think you are right.

  35. Posted July 15, 2018 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Time to republish “The Road to Brexit”

    Is there an online copy available?

  36. Victoria Smart
    Posted July 15, 2018 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Is there a plan for a No Deal Brexit ?

    With the UK and the EU poles apart on a deal the prospect of a No Deal grows and will happen next March whether we are ready or not, so it would be reassuring to know that there is a No Deal plan !

  37. Posted July 15, 2018 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Just for the record, we published two articles about the ‘Road to Brexit’ starting back in Oct 2016, together with a link to the document. Saying that there have never been any alternate plans for Brexit is untrue. Just because the BBC failed to report it…..
    Kind regards, the pro-Brexit Facts4EU.Org team.

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