Global Britain’s new independent poll

The IQR poll for Global Britain asked people for their preferences on leaving the EU. 43% want to leave with no deal, or leave to trade on WTO terms, 31% would like  a Canada plus trade deal, 11% want to stay in the EEA, 10% want a second referendum and just 4% support the Chequers proposals.   It just goes to show the people remain more sensible than many of the MPs. It has usually been the case in the UK that only  a small proportion  of the public are keen supporters of the complete EU project, and this is borne out by these figures. The 10% for a second referendum is similar to the Lib Dem vote in the last General Election when they were the only UK wide  party offering this choice.

The only poll that matters remains the referendum, when the public were invited to make the decision knowing that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and customs union.

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75 Comments

  1. Sir Joe Soap
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    So why is this being made into an endless tiring episode by your party in government?
    Why do they have an apparent wish to become totally unelectable?
    Why don’t they take any notice of the referendum result?
    Why are they causing havoc to the economy with their stupid warnings but then claiming they have made no sufficient preparation?
    Why is a social worker /school teacher type running the country?

    None of it makes any sense in the real world.

  2. MPC
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    A somewhat different poll finding from that which was summarised in yesterday’s Evening Standard! Would be interesting to know more about the representativeness of each survey – The Standard’s was no doubt confined to London only.

  3. Peter
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Indeed. The problem is the realpolitik and forcing elected politicians to deliver the referendum result on behalf of the majority of the British public.

  4. Rien Huizer
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Mr Redwood,

    Why would politicians try to get a deal, with public attitides like these?

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

      Rien Huizer, The reason is that the UK, like many nations (Norway, Holland, Italy, etc), has an establishment which is fooled by EU ideology and propaganda, but ordinary citizens who are not.

  5. Denis Cooper
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I guess most of the 11% who want to stay in the EEA are unaware that the EFTA member states of the EEA are not in any customs union, either with each other or with the EU and its member states, and that the Irish government would veto even so-called “light touch” customs arrangements like those between EU Sweden and EFTA Norway.

    https://news.sky.com/video/is-the-norway-sweden-border-a-solution-for-ireland-11141058

    “Is the Norway-Sweden border a solution for Ireland?”

    “Sky’s Lewis Goodall takes a look at the border of Sweden and non-EU Norway and whether it could work as a model for Ireland post-Brexit.”

    Would something like this be good enough for the Irish government?

    Nope, from 03:12 in, they reject:

    “anything that would imply a border on the island of Ireland”.

    Including the author of this article today:

    https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/10/its-time-to-study-the-map-that-leads-from-norway-to-canada.html

    “It’s time to study the map that leads from Norway to Canada”

    Of course Canada is also not in any customs union with the EU and so the same Irish objection would arise:

    “We have been very very clear from day one, there cannot be a physical border and that means ruling out cameras, that means ruling out technology, that means ruling out anything that would imply a border on the island of Ireland, it is not an option for us”.

    And if the Irish are unhappy then the EU Parliament will also be unhappy, another veto to be deployed against any such agreement even if the Irish were bullied into line:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-latest-irish-border-verhofstadt-eu-parliament-theresa-may-a8599116.html

    “The European Parliament has a veto on the final Brexit deal and has said it would kill any agreement that does not prevent a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.”

    And that would be “hard border” as defined by the Irish government, not by Boris Johnson or anybody else with a more casual attitude, see also my last comment on this earlier today here:

    http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/10/25/the-expansion-of-china/#comment-969058

    “The worst-case scenario for a hard Brexit set out by Ireland’s Revenue Commissioners – before Varadkar ordered them to stop planning for it – was … “

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:20 am | Permalink

      Why are so many MPs so ignorant of basic facts? Nick Boles today:

      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/norway-offers-way-out-of-the-brexit-maze-9chp66603

      “Norway offers way out of the Brexit maze”

      Back when it was being held up by people like Daniel Hannan as an example of how a European country could thrive outside the EU one of the attractions of Norway’s position was its freedom to make its own trade deals around the world.

      As he said for example in his 2005 book “The Case for EFTA”:

      https://www.brugesgroup.com/media-centre/papers/8-papers/771-the-case-for-efta

      “They are able to negotiate free trade deals with third countries.”

      And that is precisely because they are not in any customs union; if they were then they would have to adopt a common commercial policy, as the EU explains:

      http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=493

      “The European Union created a Common Commercial Policy to govern its trade relations with non-EU countries. The creation of a common commercial policy followed as a logical consequence of the formation of a customs union among its Member States. The European Union’s trade policy therefore establishes common rules including, among others, a common customs tariff, a common import and export regime and the undertaking of uniform trade liberalization measures as well as trade defence instruments.

      The Common Commercial Policy is explicitly placed under the exclusive competence of the Union (Article 3 of the Treaty of Lisbon). This confirms existing case-law of the European Court of Justice and means that the Union alone is able to legislate and conclude international agreements in this field.”

  6. eeyore
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    This poll also asked: “What do you consider a satisfactory Brexit?” Leaving with some EU oversight of laws and paying £39 billion to the EU was approved by just 1%. Leaving with control of borders, control of laws, control of money and no oversight from EU institutions received 39% approval.

    Brexit is a national policy which government and Parliament solemnly promised to implement. MPs who think they know better than the nation whose advice they accepted should consider these approval ratings carefully.

  7. Denis Cooper
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Personally I have believed for nearly a year that we should leave without any special trade deal, but not without any deal on anything at all.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

      Denis Cooper, That is my position too. Though I have long recognised that the EU would not be reasonable if we attempted to exit the EU via the Art50 route. Most “deals” that we need to do (and we do need them) on exiting the EU are in fact deals which are governed by international institutions or treaties – UN, WTO, ICAO, UNCLOS, etc. So we have no need to negotiate with the EU about them.

  8. Caterpillar
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    I suspect the majority of people would also like all use of UK fisheries to be UK based, but alas Eustice is only talking about a “fairer share”, not all.

  9. mancunius
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    What remains a little puzzling is the division of categories between alternative WTO and ‘No Deal’ outcomes. Surely a No Deal outcome means going to WTO rules. Or is there are a further non-WTO ‘No Deal’ economic option for us?

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

      Mancunius, I suspect it is just ignorance fostered by the Remain media, particularly the BBC. Leaving the WTO was not an option in the Referendum – and neither main campaign group even suggested it.

  10. righton
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    So 43 per cent want to leave with a no dèal but that is what we’re going to get so no point in going on about it as we’re almost there..and am also sure the EU side also keeps up to date with these polls..and from their side are certainly are not going to want to deal with people who have this kind of backward mentality..too far removed from their own and much too much trouble..they will say.. so how does it all add up.. No Canada deal..no EEA..no second referendum and there will be no chequers deal either..just a no deal..and no WTO trading until the withdrawl treaty is agreed and signed up..all the prospects of a backwater existance or quieter times ahead which will suit some.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

      Righton, The Parliamentary arithmetic is about 500 Remain/here-for-the-beer MPs vs about 100 Leave MPs. We will get Chequers, or a variation on it, unless Theresa May is toppled. There will be enough Remain Labour MPs willing to defy Jeremy Corbyn to ensure that, even if Mr Corbyn does not change Labour policy (again). The WTO deal (erroneously called “no-deal”) cannot get through Parliament. Moreover the government has done virtually no work on the WTO deal.

  11. rose
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Talking of choice: the PM has put in a new Cabinet Secretary, without due process. Because of Brexit. The last time this happened at this level, we got a new PM without due process, because of Brexit.

    How has she been allowed to get away with this?

    And we are to continue with the same Speaker. Because of Brexit.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

      Rose, Our democracy is disintegrating before our eyes. And as Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn reminded us “the fish rots from the head”.

      • rose
        Posted October 27, 2018 at 8:56 am | Permalink

        Indeed. The reason the high-handed appointment of the Cabinet Secretary matters even more than it would have done pre 2010, is that Cabinet Secretaries have all but usurped the power of the Monarch to choose a PM in a hung parliament.

        This man should have continued as acting Cabinet Secretary until the right person was appointed properly.

      • rose
        Posted October 27, 2018 at 8:58 am | Permalink

        In fact it is not unlike the appointment by Juncker of Martin Selmayr.

  12. Cerberus
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    But May doesn’t believe in democratic decision making…

  13. WeToldYou_No_EU
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    John

    Can you please comment on the current status of the UK and WTO trading.

    Has there been a major setback for Fox and those who want a WTO exit?

    Reuters:-

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-wto/uk-signals-failure-of-bid-for-quick-brexit-transition-at-wto-idUKKCN1MZ2CX

    Later on in the article:-

    “However, the process will not necessarily interfere with the implementation of Brexit, since many WTO members continue to trade under outdated agreements while they agree their new text”.

  14. Kenneth
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    This will not be reported by the BBC

  15. Chris
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    In addition to the polling results, Theresa May et al should listen to Tony Abbott:
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/tony-abbott-how-to-save-brexit/

  16. Newmania
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Asked whether the public should have a final say on the deal there is clear and growing lead for “yes” as shown by both Opinium and BMG More support than there was for the first referendum which was about the size of UKIP
    UKIP had offered the complete rejection of Europe and not done anything like as well as the Lib Dems
    These are recent U Gov figures
    73% of the public think the negotiations are going badly
    Only 8% of people expect the government to get the sort of Brexit they have said they want – ( ie they voted for ….. )
    Nonetheless although the Remain vote has only stretched out to 5%
    This shows how hard it is to admit you are wrong especially when your vote was driven by resentment and envy

    Further figures

    75% if 18-24 years olds voted remain
    70 % of those with no qualifications voted Leave
    68% of degree or higher voted remain
    Leave voters were 8 times as likely to say immigration was their top priority
    63% of over 75s voted leave

    Not hard to see where the envy comes from is it .

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

      Newmania, We the people did have a final say on the deal. We chose the Leave deal over the Remain supported David Cameron deal.

      I can understand that some Remains do find it hard to admit they were wrong when their vote was driven by resentment of those they thought beneath them, and envy of Leaves better arguments.

      Like much Remain propaganda the theory that not having a degree disqualifies a Leave vote, is based on fakery. The simple fact (not opinion) is that around 7 times more young people went to university in 2011 than in 1970. There is absolutely no proof that IQ levels have risen from 1970 to 2011, indeed there is indication of the reverse. Frankly, Remain is sick.

    • Anonymous
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

      The YouGov poll didn’t bother to examine the tendencies of those with vocational qualifications. Probably because technicians don’t count in this country. (You snob !)

      Degrees are so devalued as to be not worth a toss in at least 80% of cases. Since 50% of the population were made to go to university they have now been relegated to the old A levels.

      Who do I pay more ? A plumber or a sociologist ?

      Your rather silly grouping of 18-24 year-olds. What way did the 25-45 group vote ? The 45-65 ?

      We can all split the population up to suit our argument.

      Put to the vote to the whole country, on a binary choice, Leave lost. Not hard to see where the hatred is coming from, is it !

      • Anonymous
        Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

        Correction. Remain lost.

  17. agricola
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Well if those in Parliament are still playing catchup I would advise them to note this result and respond accordingly. They will not be forgiven for getting it wrong. Those who do not have faith in the UK as a sovereign nation have no place representing those of us who do.

  18. Chewy
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Encouraging results though it seems that most polls seem to provide results that favour the commissioning organisations starting viewpoint, e.g some of the clearly loaded questions asked by Best for Britain and similar organisations in their polling producing results designed to give the said pressure group momentum.
    It would be interesting to know the precise question asked and any preceding questions asked by Globsl Britain.

  19. Man of Kent
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    What a stunning Result .

    We will have the inevitable response ‘They did not know what they were voting for ‘

    This tag applies far more to the Remainers than Leavers . They did not and do not
    know what the EU is for other than more integration , single market , Customs Union , open borders , side-lining of NATO , division E/W and N/S , slowly becoming less competitive on a world stage , corrupt accounting , gravy train politics ….nothing positive to sell ….just a blind belief that the nation state is finished and the super state is here to stay .

    They can only sell ‘fear ‘ and that badly .

    What an indictment of our MPs who cannot discern this state of affairs or even what the electorate want , they are an absolute disgrace to democracy .

  20. Steve
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Good evening Mr Redwood.

    There you have it. 43% of leave voters want a no deal brexit, 31% want Canada plus, and so on.

    You also say the only poll that matters is the referendum. Unfortunately the government appears to be doing it’s best to frustrate the result.

    This will not end well for mainstream political parties especially the conservatives.

  21. Fedupsoutherner
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely right John. We want what we were offered when we voted. We knew what we were voting for. The leaflet made it quite clear as did all the scaremongering. We voted to leave. We want to be a sovereign nation again. We want to have full control again. We want to be free to trade where and with whom we want to. Let’s stop bowing and begging and just get on with it. I know no one who voted leave and has changed their mind.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

      Fedupsoutherner, Exactly.

  22. mancunius
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    PS I see those two options were so framed:

    WTO trade rules – 22%
    No deal is signed, and the UK reverts to WTO trade rules – 21%

  23. Andy
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    This just depends on what question you ask.

    If you ask people if they like hard borders to keep foreigners out they say yes.

    If you ask people if they like friction free borders to help them travel more easily they say yes.

    As Ken Clarke rightly points out, making complex policy by opinion poll is pretty dumb.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

      Andy, Is that the “Ken Clarke” who boasted of never having read the Maastricht Treaty? Though the EU is too complex for Ken Clarke, no complex policy has been made by opinion poll in the UK.

      We have democracy where we vote for MPs to represent us in Parliament; and the very same electorate votes in referendums provided by that very same Parliament. In the case of the EU Referendum 2016, the complex issues were summed up in two deals – Remain or Leave – both provided by Parliament. And just as MPs vote for or against a policy the electorate did too.

    • Anonymous
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

      Well quite obviously in 2016 people didn’t want friction free borders.

      I’d happily revert to the inconveniences before (which weren’t to bad) and have my country back.

      By having my country back I mean that not just anyone can rock up and call it theirs.

  24. Alison
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting piece by JG Forsyth in The Spectator (‘Even Ministers Don’t Understand Brexit’), where he mentions that ‘N0 10 has long been convinced that the public will define a successful Brexit by the two Ms: money and migration.”
    Both the remain and leave campaigns in 2016 set out very clearly that the vote to leave was a vote to regain control over our laws, borders and money.
    The current situation over Northern Ireland is a nightmare fuelled by Mrs May.

    If JG Forsyth is right, then No 10 is wrong. As the above poll surely shows. Perhaps somebody could make sure that Mrs May reads at least one newspaper report quoting the poll results.
    Money and migration – what does that mean? – setting targets which are never met … largely because other, unelected bodies set the framework which makes those targets unachievable?

  25. ChrisS
    Posted October 25, 2018 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Fascinating that No Deal was the most popular outcome.

    It goes to prove that the behaviour of the EU has been immensely damaging to its reputation in the UK, as one would expect. It’s why I feel absolutely sure that in a second referendum the Remainers would be humiliated, losing the vote by a much bigger margin.

    It’s always been clear that a deal based on Chequers has no support in the Country at all. The citizens of the UK, having made up their mind to leave, just want the Government to get on with it and the overwhelming popularity of No Deal and a Canada ++ deal is a very clear indication that maintaining close regulatory alignment and therefore a kind of control over our trade by Brussels is certainly don’t the last thing the people want after Remaining in the EU.

    Why doesn’t May stop listening to Robbins and Barnier and start listening to the Country ????

  26. margaret howard
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    A poll by Global Britain?

    In the immortal words of Dorothy Parker:

    “THEY WOULD, WOULDN’T THEY!”

    Reply BY an independent polling company on a large sample

    • sm
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

      Ms Howard, you got the quote attribution wrong too: it was Mandy Rice Davies, NOT Dorothy Parker.

      • Dennis
        Posted October 27, 2018 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

        sm – you got the quote wrong too – Mandy said, ” Well he would, wouldn’t he”.

    • Narrow Shoulders
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

      You are happy to quote the polls that support your point of view Margaret.

      More of your “I know best” outpourings

  27. Lindsay McDougall
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Other polls show different results so, as with all polls, we need to know sample size, sample framework and questions asked.

    Still, I’m happy with this one.

  28. Henry Spark
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    Repeating a lie does not convert it into the truth. In the referendum the public were NOT invited to make the decision knowing that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and customs union. The single market and customs union were not on the ballot paper. Dan Hannan said no one was talking about leaving the single market, Owen Paterson said only a madman would leave the single market, Nigel Farage said being like Norway would be fine, and so on. The Leave vote was secured by a whole host of false promises, and the truth is now emerging

    Reply The government official communication, and both the official campaigns, Leave and Remain, made it quite clear leaving meant leaving the single market and customs union – as the EU continues to point out

    • John Hatfield
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

      “In the referendum the public were NOT invited to make the decision knowing that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market and customs union.”
      Untrue Henry, in it’s propaganda, designed to convince people to vote REMAIN, the government made quite clear that voting to leave meant leaving the single market and customs union.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

      Henry Spark, That is a Remain lie about Dan Hannan. His interview made it clear he was talking about not losing access to the EU’s single market.

      Like everyone I saw or read who mentioned the subject, on both sides, it was agreed that we would be leaving the single market and the CCP (the customs union).

      In fact it is impossible to leave the EU unless we leave all the EU’s component parts: SM, CAP, CCP, MFF, CU, CFP, etc, etc, because remaining in any of them means remaining under the control of the EU (which is not Leave by definition).

    • Anonymous
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

      Well Nichola Sturgeon made it very clear that we were turning our back on our biggest market.

      She said so over and over again.

      Leave said we will continue to buy and sell things to each other – which we will. It’s silly to suggest that we won’t.

  29. Richard1
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Fraser Nelson has an interesting piece in the Telegraph. He suggests that Labour might support Mrs May’s Chequers deal in the end, as it’s so bad it will do for the next Conservative PM also. And Geoffrey Cox has explained clearly to the cabinet that the Michael Gove strategy of putting up with Chequers, dumping Mrs May in the spring and then trying to improve the deal afterwards almost certainly doesn’t work.

  30. Anonymous
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    If we get a second referendum then it really will have been by mob rule. We have the march organisers’ word that 750k turned up. The police no longer provide estimates.

    • Alan Jutson
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

      Anon

      I thought the Police reported the total to to be nearer to 170,000

  31. Newmania
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Incidentally whilst we are on about figures Remain is the largest political movement in Europe . The figure of 750,000 is disputed but when you think that people like myself , like so many remainers are usually full time employed with families, it was a great turn out.
    The 2016 referendum cannot be the only thing that matters and the UKIP ultras in the Conservative Party cannot be the only people with any say in how it is interpreted .

    By no possible logic is this democracy

    • Anonymous
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

      Doubtless a Remain result by a 1 million margin would have been democracy though. The march took place on a Saturday.

      Under 10% of Londoners in the Remain capital of Britain on a Saturday is not particularly good.

      (64 Captcha actions. OK. I get the message. )

    • Narrow Shoulders
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

      The 2016 referendum cannot be the only thing that matters

      Unless you had won of course.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

      Newmania, But there is always that pesky Referendum result. Whatever “logic” you employ to minimise the Leave vote, when applied to the Remain vote the same logic shrinks Remain even further. Because you got 1.25m fewer votes.

      By any possible logic the Referendum is democracy in action.

  32. Stred
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    I would guess that the % would be reversed in the House of Quislings and House of Failed Crony Quislings.

  33. Brian Tomkinson
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    It would seem that Mrs May is set on delivering the least popular of these options. She is expert at saying one thing and doing another – it could almost be described as an art form.
    Her duplicity is clearly something that Conservative MPs are beguiled by. Trust in politics and politicians – never very high – must now be at an all time low. Just what will happen if the likely referendum betrayal is successful and what that would mean for the democratic process in the UK should give MPs pause for thought.

    • John Hatfield
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

      The Establishment cheats and lies, totally untrustworthy. Our Prime Minister is sadly, part of the Establishment.

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

      Brian Tomkinson, Indeed, what are the bulk of Tory MPs thinking? Are they so totally wrapped up in the Westminster bubble they fail to apprehend that the majority of the country – Leaves and Remains alike – loathe Chequers? Or are they as transfixed as rabbits in the headlights?

  34. Mark B
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Good morning – again.

    . . . . 4% support the Chequers proposals . . . .

    That 4%, most of them wouldn’t have a second Westminster address would they ?

    😉

  35. A.Sedgwick
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    This is no surprise – could you tell us what is going on in the Cabinet and the CP. 1922 was a damp squib – no surprise again. I cannot understand why May is still PM.

  36. Hope
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Confidence in May collapses to all time low to deliver Brexit. 78 percent think she will fail to deliver! More worrying those polled also blamed Tory MPs. How right they are to do so.

    You all have had long enough to realise this treacherous PM is not acting in good faith but a distinct lack of integrity. Scare tactics throughout, capitulating, nothing in return breaking all promises and red lines. If that was not enough her devious underhand behaviour to write a parallel paper not agreed by cabinet or Brexit dept advisors pooling the wool over cabinet ministers about interpretations and meaning of texts. Ambushed at Christmas, ambushed in July and you all appear to want more!

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

      Hope, I am as baffled by the lemming Tory MPs as you are.

  37. Narrow Shoulders
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    This got very little publicity. Unsurprising really. Government and broadcast media seem set on us not leaving because of the highly vocal pressure to stay

  38. John Fitzgerald
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    The often asked question is “If we agreed that a second referendum should be run and the result was a greater percentage voted to leave, would we then need a subsequent referendum until the correct answer was the result?” Also the first referendum was in 1975 so this is already the second!

  39. Den
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    It would be gratifying if Mrs May, our current Prime Minister, took heed of this Poll. It demonstrates that the only persons in favour of her grand “Chequers Plan” are just those she surrounds herself with. An embarrassingly small minority.
    Her continuing insistence that ‘Chequers’ is the best deal for Britain defies all common sense. Especially when the EU have rejected it, as have both the Leave side and many of the Remainers. What is wrong with her? And what was the real outcome of the meeting with the 1922 Committee? Did she explain her strategy to them? For it is nowhere to be seen outside of Number 10, if indeed, there is a strategy. I despair for the country under such unstable leadership.

  40. Lifelogic
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Indeed the people are far more sensible that the ‘group think’ PC MPs, the BBC, lawyers and civil servants on most things. They after all have the interest of the people at heart and not their personal interests and are also far more in touch with reality at the coal face.

    The people are far more sensible on tax levels, climate alarmism, the mad police priorities, Brexit, the Millenium Dome, so called ‘renewable’ energy, the counter productive wars on a lie, planning rules, selective immigration only, transport policy, defence, law and order …..

    Just do the opposite of what May, Hammond, Major, Blair, Clegg, the BBC suggest is a very good rule of thumb.

  41. Oggy
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Speaking of Lib Dems, I see Sir Vince Cable has been to Brussels and told Barnier to prepare for a second UK referendum.
    He has also been calling for ‘that’ businessman to be stripped of his Knighthood. If anyone needs stripping of his Knighthood it is Vince Cable who is anti-democratic, unpatriotic and constantly undermining UK negotiations in favour if his beloved EU.
    If only he would go live in California with his buddy Nick.

  42. Paul Cohen
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Leavers do not seem to get that there can be no return to the status quo, we would have to negotiate all again, no rebates – nothing! So we might as well all get our shoulders to the wheel to get an acceptable agreement – also bringing a halt to the likes of doom mongers such as Blair, Grieve and Clegg trying to rock the boat.

    I notice that we are preparing to sign up to EU rules regarding continued and broad cooperation on energy. Where in the UK we have closed 15 large power stations to comply, Germany continue to operate their Lignite fuelled power plants – how does this work then?

    • NickC
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

      Paul Cohen, As in: Remains “do not seem to get that there can be no return to the status quo …”? Indeed they do not. More than just not getting the 2015 status quo, they would lose David Cameron’s renegotiated Remain which was the basis of the Remain offer and campaign in 2016. They obviously don’t know what they’re asking for . . .

  43. Paul Cohen
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Sorry! I meant Remainers of course.

  44. Nigel Seymour
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Putting aside the personalities, it seems a two part irony that a non elected nobody can dismiss the ruling of three senior high court judges. I thought we voted to get our judicial system back and make our own laws once again? The other part of my irony is that Gina Miller was able to use the courts to ‘effectively’ defeat the Gov re Art50. IDS warned us that there should be no conflict between our courts and the HoC. The elected executive of the day should always prevail unless they are blatantly breaking the law.

    When a nobody is able to exert such influence, then our judiciary will become increasingly diminished…

  45. Alan Jutson
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Well what a surprise, a Fudge, Bluster, and Surrender policy does not have much support !

    Afraid Mrs May is not listening to anyone other than Oily Robbins, so all of these surveys are all rather pointless.

    Why is it our Ministers always want complicated options and policies when the simple route is nearly always the best and most efficient.

    The Conservative Party will be ripping itself apart over the next few decades if we do not leave the EU properly now.

  46. Ron Olden
    Posted October 26, 2018 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    This poll’s findings are very similar to others in recent months.

    ‘No Deal’ has always been the most popular single option, yet we’re always told that it’s the option which is unacceptable to the ruling elite and therefore we can’t have it.

    Neither has there ever been much support for a Second Referendum.

    Periodically the pollsters ask people if it was a ‘mistake to be Leaving’.

    When they do so they get similar results to the polls published just before the Referendum, namely a small majority say it was a mistake to Vote Leave in the Referendum.

    But then they would wouldn’t they?

    But that’s NOT the same as people saying they want another Referendum or would vote Remain if there were one.

    Many people, although they disagree with the outcome, have accepted the result and are of the view that there’s no turning back.

    I, for example didn’t want the Referendum in the first place But once it was called I concluded that we must Vote Leave and in the end Leave properly.

    Asked it it were mistake to have held the Referendum in the first place I might still say ‘yes’. I don’t know.

    The Pollsters also ask ‘Do you want a Referendum on the ‘Deal”.

    People invariably say ‘yes’ to holding Referenda on anything. But we don’t hear the Remainers demanding Referenda on various other things the public want, but the elite won’t allow.

    When people say ‘yes’ to this question the respondents include those of us who want to Leave without a ‘Deal’.

    Remainers however interpret the answer as meaning that we must have a Referendum offering the choice of taking the ‘Deal’ or staying in!!

    If that happened those of us who vote against the ‘Deal’ because we want to Leave without one, would be counted as Hard Line Remainers!!

    Anyone who wants to read regular analysis of these polls might like to look at my own FB Page ‘UK Opinion Polling’.

    I report every Opinion Poll on every politically related subject published in the UK and, comment and analyse them (largely impartially).

    I do however occasionally put a blog of my own on, which is not so impartial and often inspired by something I’ve read in John Redwood’s Blog.

    • Anonymous
      Posted October 26, 2018 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

      As soon as the referendum was called the dynamic with the EU changed.

      Had we voted Remain it would have been membership of the EU on steroids. Full steam ahead integration with the new mandate.

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