It is open to backbenchers and members of the public to be as critical of Mrs May’s plan as we like and to propose an alternative. Those MPs who decide to stay in the Cabinet have to defend Mrs May’s position, which is her deal is the only proposal worth considering.
This early move in Miss Rudd’s probable leadership campaign is ill judged and ensures she will not get any Eurosceptic votes, as the Norway option is not leaving the EU. It means accepting EU laws, paying them money and staying in the single market and customs union which we voted to quit.
December 8, 2018
What do you expect when the Prime Minister tells lies and is so weak.
I find it amazing she still has a Cabinet at all, but that tells us all we need to know about its make up and Members !
First time in History a Prime Minister has been held in contempt by trying to hide their lies.
Politics now at an all time low.
December 8, 2018
Rudd was elected by the skin of her teeth last year, she will be lucky to get elected next time around.
Rudd lost 56,000 illegal immigrants in Feb this year of 700 whom were ex convicts to be deported! The day after her dept announced this she told police chiefs any request for money would fall on deaf ears!
Her hateful language during the referendum. She is not fit for any public office.
Then she went along with May’s Windrush scandal rather than change course to rectify this terrible shameful episode. She was and is an utter failure. Her latest outburst shows her disdain for electoral democracy and the public vote. She also forgets what she got elected on, out of single market and customs union. She in contempt of the public!
December 8, 2018
Just before May put her back in cabinet this dishonourable person wanted a second referendum despite saying she respected the referendum result! Again, another liar. You cannot stand on the Tory manifesto, say you respect the referendum and then say Norway or a second referendum. Rudd has fallen at the first hurdle. Liar. If that was not enough she supported May’s servitude plan last week! Anything but leave it would appear.
I suppose the only credential in her mind warranted is that she is a woman and wants that ticket!
December 8, 2018
I respectfully disagree with our host’s headline. Ms Rudd, the PM’s closest political friend and ally, does not undermine her. She flies the kite Mrs May dare not yet fly herself. But in a week or two … .
December 9, 2018
Spot on mate, spot on ! 😉
December 8, 2018
Dear Mr. Redwood,
ADVICE FOR PROSPECTIVE PRIME MINISTERS
Indefatigability, perseverance and hard work are qualities to be admired. However, they are attributes only to be expected in those that aspire to be the First Lord of The Treasury.
Candidates should bear in mind that they should also be able to show honesty and integrity. They must be able to inspire others so that their efforts are maximised towards a common goal. They should be able to delegate difficult tasks to colleagues and support them without undue interference.
They must be able to arrive at decisions on complex issues without prevarication or postponement.
They must be able to communicate effectively without resorting to repetitive soundbites or mechanical delivery. Their oratory skills should evidence commitment and passion, positivity, hope and expectation.
Above all, they must be unfaltering, unhesitating and steadfast in the realisation that they are accountable solely to the British people who, rightly, have the very highest expectations of them.
If you feel you can fulfil this role then please submit your application.
NO time wasters please.
December 8, 2018
Shanker Singham’s detailed review of Rudd’s Norway option: “It would more completely take independent trade and regulatory policy off the table than even the PM’s deal. When we referred to the PM’s deal as the worst of all worlds, we did not anticipate that an even worse construct could be seriously being proposed.” https://brexitcentral.com/eea-model-worse-prime-ministers-deal/
David Campbell Bannerman: https://brexitcentral.com/brexiteers-write-off-idea-norway-now/ Others: https://brexitcentral.com/tag/norway/
December 9, 2018
I would never vote for Amber Rudd. In my opinion, she is utterly useless. She was a hopeless Home Secretary. I dont like her manner, always warning, hectoring, and trying to tell us what to do. I will take no orders or advice from her. She should not be a Cabinet Minister, and she should never be Prime Minister.
December 9, 2018
She represents the fishing community of Hastings! I feel they will be able to count her votes on the fingers of one hand next time, good, she is a nasty piece of work.
December 8, 2018
Need to split off those voting for the referendum and this deal as dishonest and sack them all. The list will be public on Tuesday.
December 8, 2018
So any of the following who also vote for May’s deal are denying you the choice they gave you:
Did all UK Members of Parliament (MPs) vote on the European Union Referendum Act 2015 and does a record of how each MP voted exist ?
How many people use DuckDuckGo?
Those who voted in favour of the EU referendum:
Abbott, Ms Diane
Abrahams, Debbie
Adams, Nigel
Afriyie, Adam
Aldous, Peter
Alexander, Heidi
Ali, Rushanara
Allan, Lucy
Allen, Mr Graham
Allen, Heidi
Amess, Sir David
Anderson, Mr David
Andrew, Stuart
Ansell, Caroline
Argar, Edward
Atkins, Victoria
Austin, Ian
Bacon, Mr Richard
Bailey, Mr Adrian
Baker, Mr Steve
Baldwin, Harriett
Barclay, Stephen
Baron, Mr John
Barron, rh Kevin
Barwell, Gavin
Bebb, Guto
Beckett, rh Margaret
Bellingham, Mr Henry
Benn, rh Hilary
Benyon, Richard
Beresford, Sir Paul
Berger, Luciana
Berry, Jake
Berry, James
Betts, Mr Clive
Bingham, Andrew
Blackman, Bob
Blackman-Woods, Dr Roberta
Blackwood, Nicola
Blenkinsop, Tom
Blomfield, Paul
Blunt, Crispin
Boles, Nick
Bone, Mr Peter
Borwick, Victoria
Bottomley, Sir Peter
Bradley, Karen
Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben
Brady, Mr Graham
Brake, rh Tom
Brazier, Mr Julian
Brennan, Kevin
Bridgen, Andrew
Brine, Steve
Brokenshire, James
Brown, Lyn
Brown, rh Mr Nicholas
Bruce, Fiona
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Buckland, Robert
Burden, Richard
Burgon, Richard
Burns, Conor
Burns, rh Mr Simon
Burrowes, Mr David
Burt, rh Alistair
Butler, Dawn
Byrne, rh Liam
Cadbury, Ruth
Cairns, Alun
Cameron, rh Mr David
Campbell, rh Mr Alan
Campbell, Mr Gregory
Campbell, Mr Ronnie
Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair
Carmichael, Neil
Carswell, Mr Douglas
Cartlidge, James
Cash, Sir William
Caulfield, Maria
Chalk, Alex
Champion, Sarah
Chapman, Jenny
Chishti, Rehman
Chope, Mr Christopher
Churchill, Jo
Clark, rh Greg
Cleverly, James
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Clwyd, rh Ann
Coaker, Vernon
Coffey, Ann
Coffey, Dr Thérèse
Collins, Damian
Colvile, Oliver
Cooper, Julie
Cooper, Rosie
Costa, Alberto
Cox, Mr Geoffrey
Cox, Jo
Coyle, Neil
Crabb, rh Stephen
Crausby, Mr David
Creasy, Stella
Crouch, Tracey
Cruddas, Jon
Cryer, John
Cummins, Judith
Cunningham, Alex
Cunningham, Mr Jim
Dakin, Nic
Danczuk, Simon
David, Wayne
Davies, Byron
Davies, Chris
Davies, David T. C.
Davies, Geraint
Davies, Glyn
Davies, James
Davies, Mims
Davies, Philip
Davis, rh Mr David
De Piero, Gloria
Debbonaire, Thangam
Dinenage, Caroline
Djanogly, Mr Jonathan
Dodds, rh Mr Nigel
Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M.
Donelan, Michelle
Dorries, Nadine
Double, Steve
Doughty, Stephen
Dowd, Jim
Dowd, Peter
Dowden, Oliver
Doyle-Price, Jackie
Drax, Richard
Dromey, Jack
Drummond, Mrs Flick
Duddridge, James
Dugher, Michael
Duncan, rh Sir Alan
Duncan Smith, rh Mr Iain
Dunne, Mr Philip
Eagle, Ms Angela
Eagle, Maria
Efford, Clive
Elliott, Julie
Elliott, Tom
Ellis, Michael
Ellison, Jane
Ellman, Mrs Louise
Ellwood, Mr Tobias
Elphicke, Charlie
Esterson, Bill
Eustice, George
Evans, Chris
Evans, Mr Nigel
Evennett, rh Mr David
Fabricant, Michael
Fallon, rh Michael
Farron, Tim
Fernandes, Suella
Field, rh Frank
Field, rh Mark
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flello, Robert
Fletcher, Colleen
Flint, rh Caroline
Flynn, Paul
Foster, Kevin
Fovargue, Yvonne
Fox, rh Dr Liam
Foxcroft, Vicky
Francois, rh Mr Mark
Frazer, Lucy
Freeman, George
Freer, Mike
Fuller, Richard
Fysh, Marcus
Gapes, Mike
Gardiner, Barry
Garnier, rh Sir Edward
Garnier, Mark
Gauke, Mr David
Ghani, Nusrat
Gibb, Mr Nick
Gillan, rh Mrs Cheryl
Glass, Pat
Glen, John
Glindon, Mary
Goldsmith, Zac
Goodman, Helen
Goodwill, Mr Robert
Gove, rh Michael
Graham, Richard
Gray, Mr James
Grayling, rh Chris
Green, Chris
Green, rh Damian
Green, Kate
Greening, rh Justine
Greenwood, Lilian
Greenwood, Margaret
Grieve, rh Mr Dominic
Griffith, Nia
Griffiths, Andrew
Gummer, Ben
Gwynne, Andrew
Gyimah, Mr Sam
Haigh, Louise
Halfon, rh Robert
Hall, Luke
Hamilton, Fabian
Hammond, rh Mr Philip
Hammond, Stephen
Hancock, rh Matthew
Hands, rh Greg
Hanson, rh Mr David
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harper, rh Mr Mark
Harpham, Harry
Harris, Carolyn
Harris, Rebecca
Hart, Simon
Haselhurst, rh Sir Alan
Hayes, Helen
Hayes, rh Mr John
Hayman, Sue
Heald, Sir Oliver
Healey, rh John
Heappey, James
Heaton-Harris, Chris
Heaton-Jones, Peter
Hendrick, Mr Mark
Herbert, rh Nick
Hermon, Lady
Hillier, Meg
Hinds, Damian
Hoare, Simon
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs Sharon
Hoey, Kate
Hollingbery, George
Hollinrake, Kevin
Hollobone, Mr Philip
Holloway, Mr Adam
Hopkins, Kelvin
Hopkins, Kris
Howarth, Sir Gerald
Howell, John
Howlett, Ben
Huddleston, Nigel
Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy
Hunt, Tristram
Huq, Dr Rupa
Hurd, Mr Nick
Hussain, Imran
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Mr Stewart
James, Margot
Jarvis, Dan
Javid, rh Sajid
Jayawardena, Mr Ranil
Jenkin, Mr Bernard
Jenkyns, Andrea
Jenrick, Robert
Johnson, rh Alan
Johnson, Boris
Johnson, Diana
Johnson, Gareth
Johnson, Joseph
Jones, Andrew
Jones, rh Mr David
Jones, Gerald
Jones, Graham
Jones, Mr Kevan
Jones, Mr Marcus
Jones, Susan Elan
Kane, Mike
Kawczynski, Daniel
Keeley, Barbara
Kennedy, Seema
Khan, rh Sadiq
Kinahan, Danny
Kinnock, Stephen
Knight, rh Sir Greg
Knight, Julian
Kwarteng, Kwasi
Kyle, Peter
Lamb, rh Norman
Lammy, rh Mr David
Lancaster, Mark
Latham, Pauline
Lavery, Ian
Leadsom, Andrea
Lee, Dr Phillip
Lefroy, Jeremy
Leigh, Sir Edward
Leslie, Charlotte
Leslie, Chris
Letwin, rh Mr Oliver
Lewell-Buck, Mrs Emma
Lewis, Brandon
Lewis, Clive
Lewis, Mr Ivan
Lewis, rh Dr Julian
Liddell-Grainger, Mr Ian
Lidington, rh Mr David
Lilley, rh Mr Peter
Long Bailey, Rebecca
Lopresti, Jack
Lord, Jonathan
Loughton, Tim
Lucas, Caroline
Lucas, Ian C.
Lumley, Karen
Lynch, Holly
Mackinlay, Craig
Mackintosh, David
Mactaggart, rh Fiona
Madders, Justin
Mahmood, Mr Khalid
Mahmood, Shabana
Main, Mrs Anne
Mak, Alan
Malhotra, Seema
Malthouse, Kit
Mann, John
Mann, Scott
Marris, Rob
Marsden, Mr Gordon
Maskell, Rachael
Matheson, Chris
Mathias, Dr Tania
May, rh Mrs Theresa
Maynard, Paul
McCabe, Steve
McCarthy, Kerry
McCartney, Jason
McCartney, Karl
McDonald, Andy
McDonnell, John
McFadden, rh Mr Pat
McGinn, Conor
McInnes, Liz
McLoughlin, rh Mr Patrick
McPartland, Stephen
Mearns, Ian
Menzies, Mark
Mercer, Johnny
Merriman, Huw
Metcalfe, Stephen
Miller, rh Mrs Maria
Milling, Amanda
Mills, Nigel
Milton, rh Anne
Mitchell, rh Mr Andrew
Moon, Mrs Madeleine
Mordaunt, Penny
Morden, Jessica
Morgan, rh Nicky
Morris, Anne Marie
Morris, David
Morris, Grahame M.
Morris, James
Morton, Wendy
Mowat, David
Mulholland, Greg
Mundell, rh David
Murray, Ian
Murray, Mrs Sheryll
Murrison, Dr Andrew
Neill, Robert
Nokes, Caroline
Norman, Jesse
Nuttall, Mr David
Offord, Dr Matthew
Onn, Melanie
Onwurah, Chi
Opperman, Guy
Osamor, Kate
Osborne, rh Mr George
Owen, Albert
Paisley, Ian
Parish, Neil
Patel, rh Priti
Paterson, rh Mr Owen
Pawsey, Mark
Pearce, Teresa
Penning, rh Mike
Pennycook, Matthew
Penrose, John
Percy, Andrew
Perkins, Toby
Perry, Claire
Phillips, Jess
Phillips, Stephen
Phillipson, Bridget
Philp, Chris
Pickles, rh Sir Eric
Pincher, Christopher
Poulter, Dr Daniel
Pound, Stephen
Pow, Rebecca
Powell, Lucy
Prentis, Victoria
Prisk, Mr Mark
Pritchard, Mark
Pugh, John
Pursglove, Tom
Quin, Jeremy
Quince, Will
Qureshi, Yasmin
Raab, Mr Dominic
Rayner, Angela
Redwood, rh John
Reed, Mr Jamie
Reed, Mr Steve
Rees, Christina
Rees-Mogg, Mr Jacob
Reynolds, Emma
Reynolds, Jonathan
Rimmer, Marie
Robertson, Mr Laurence
Robinson, Mr Geoffrey
Robinson, Mary
Rosindell, Andrew
Rotheram, Steve
Rudd, rh Amber
Rutley, David
Ryan, rh Joan
Sandbach, Antoinette
Scully, Paul
Selous, Andrew
Shah, Naz
Shannon, Jim
Shapps, rh Grant
Sharma, Alok
Sharma, Mr Virendra
Sheerman, Mr Barry
Shelbrooke, Alec
Sherriff, Paula
Shuker, Mr Gavin
Siddiq, Tulip
Simpson, rh Mr Keith
Skidmore, Chris
Skinner, Mr Dennis
Slaughter, Andy
Smeeth, Ruth
Smith, rh Mr Andrew
Smith, Angela
Smith, Cat
Smith, Chloe
Smith, Henry
Smith, Jeff
Smith, Julian
Smith, Nick
Smith, Owen
Smith, Royston
Smyth, Karin
Soames, rh Sir Nicholas
Solloway, Amanda
Soubry, rh Anna
Spellar, rh Mr John
Spelman, rh Mrs Caroline
Spencer, Mark
Starmer, Keir
Stephenson, Andrew
Stevens, Jo
Stevenson, John
Stewart, Bob
Stewart, Iain
Stewart, Rory
Streeter, Mr Gary
Streeting, Wes
Stride, Mel
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Stuart, Graham
Sturdy, Julian
Sunak, Rishi
Swayne, rh Mr Desmond
Swire, rh Mr Hugo
Syms, Mr Robert
Tami, Mark
Thomas, Derek
Thomas, Mr Gareth
Thomas-Symonds, Nick
Throup, Maggie
Timms, rh Stephen
Timpson, Edward
Tolhurst, Kelly
Tomlinson, Justin
Tomlinson, Michael
Tracey, Craig
Trevelyan, Mrs Anne-Marie
Trickett, Jon
Truss, rh Elizabeth
Tugendhat, Tom
Turley, Anna
Turner, Mr Andrew
Turner, Karl
Twigg, Derek
Twigg, Stephen
Tyrie, rh Mr Andrew
Umunna, Mr Chuka
Vaizey, Mr Edward
Vara, Mr Shailesh
Vaz, rh Keith
Vaz, Valerie
Vickers, Martin
Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa
Walker, Mr Charles
Walker, Mr Robin
Wallace, Mr Ben
Warburton, David
Warman, Matt
Watkinson, Dame Angela
West, Catherine
Wharton, James
Whately, Helen
Wheeler, Heather
White, Chris
Whitehead, Dr Alan
Whittaker, Craig
Whittingdale, rh Mr John
Wiggin, Bill
Williams, Craig
Williams, Mr Mark
Williamson, rh Gavin
Wilson, Phil
Wilson, Mr Rob
Wilson, Sammy
Winnick, Mr David
Winterton, rh Ms Rosie
Wollaston, Dr Sarah
Wood, Mike
Wragg, William
Wright, Mr Iain
Wright, rh Jeremy
Zahawi, Nadhim
Zeichner, Daniel
Those who voted against holding a referendum:
Ahmed-Sheikh, Ms Tasmina
Arkless, Richard
Bardell, Hannah
Black, Ms Mhairi
Blackford, Ian
Blackman, Kirsty
Boswell, Philip
Brock, Deidre
Brown, Alan
Cameron, Dr Lisa
Chapman, Douglas
Cherry, Joanna
Cowan, Ronnie
Crawley, Angela
Day, Martyn
Docherty, Martin John
Donaldson, Stuart Blair
Ferrier, Margaret
Gethins, Stephen
Gibson, Patricia
Grady, Patrick
Grant, Peter
Gray, Neil
Hendry, Drew
Hosie, Stewart
Kerevan, George
Kerr, Calum
Law, Chris
Mc Nally, John
McCaig, Callum
McDonald, Stewart
McDonald, Stuart C.
McGarry, Natalie
McLaughlin, Anne
Monaghan, Carol
Monaghan, Dr Paul
Mullin, Roger
Newlands, Gavin
Nicolson, John
O’Hara, Brendan
Oswald, Kirsten
Paterson, Steven
Robertson, Angus
Salmond, rh Alex
Sheppard, Tommy
Stephens, Chris
Thewliss, Alison
Thomson, Michelle
Weir, Mike
Whiteford, Dr Eilidh
Whitford, Dr Philippa
Wilson, Corri
Wishart, Pete
597 mps were recorded. 554 for the bill and 53 opposed.
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December 8, 2018
Sir Joe Soap
Surely you are not suggesting that some of those now wanting a second Referendum vote, did not vote for the first one to take place are you !
So noticeable names missing from your list.
December 8, 2018
Sadly, you won’t understand why my continental number crunching partners, consider this site to be in their top ten of UK, “laugh-out-loud” Brexiteer websites.
December 8, 2018
acorn
Wow being laughed at by boring, dull unimaginative, introverted bean counters… How will I live with it
ps are they South Korean your friends from the continent?
December 8, 2018
Number crunchers make the best drinking buddies in my opinion. Better than train spotters, even.
December 8, 2018
Gosh Acorn. How funny.
December 9, 2018
And yet you come here and, what is worse, contribute ! Mate you raise irony to a whole new level.
🙂
December 8, 2018
As long as all processes, regulations and contracts or mitigation to bridge them are in place to handle full 3rd country status by the end of March then that is the only viable option now.
Do you know for sure that is the case?
If so why is everyone still making such a fuss?
December 8, 2018
Yes, noted! But was she herself ‘Plan B’, brought back for this very reason? Collusion at the highest levels? What will they stoop to next? May the 17.4 win the day!
December 8, 2018
The 17.4 million can be relied upon to put matters right. A clean break from the EU on WTO terms will galvanise our country and call forth a spirit that has been dormant for a while but which we have never lost. I believe that we will so thrive outside the EU that remainers and fence sitters, not to mention the miserable deadbeats within the current Cabinet (shortly to be unemployed), will be astounded. Many of the other 27 countries within the EU that are already exhibiting centrifugal tendencies will also follow our lead and be profoundly thankful for it.
December 8, 2018
… cause threatening that you had 48 letters while it was not the case absolutely did nothing to undermine the PM ?
December 8, 2018
Amber Rudd’s so called ‘Plan B’ is NOT the only, let alone the most practicable or most popular one possible.
The obvious Plan B which we also know is the single most popular with the public is leaving the EU without a Deal.
It’s the conduct of Fifth Columnists like Amber Rudd in always signalling to the EU that if they hold out, they’ll get full blown appeasement from us, that’s resulted in the abysmal offer we now have.
Can anyone imagine people on the EU negotiating side conducting themselves like this? They’d be sacked on the spot.
In the UK however, the BBC hails them as potential National Leaders.
It’s like being given the choice in 1940 between Mr Churchill or Lord Haw Haw to be Prime Minister.
December 8, 2018
Amber Rudd is out there stalking for whatever diversion is to follow post Tuesday- but in any case it won’t result in a Norway plus deal- A Norway deal would keep us tied to the EU and with no say, we would be in a much more subservient place than we are right now.
No it looks to me like post Tuesday parliament will take control and Mrs May will be ousted, Boris Raab or JRM will become PM and want to reopen negotiations with the EU but will find most of them will have already gone on holidays..the others will not be listening so the clock will be wound down until 29 March..just as the people voted
December 9, 2018
The Norway Option, which I prefered, is I think too late. That is why I think Mike Stallard no longer posts on it and I now am resigned to either WTO or some sort of fudge.
The idea of the Norway Option, despite all its disadvantages, was that it got the EU Commission off our backs and allowed us to sign FTA’s with our major trading partners. It kicked cans down the road and kept some very powerful and influential business and people at bay. A poor compromise but a START ! No wonder it is being floated again.
It seems the plan was to create a ‘deal’ (sic) that parliament and the people would not accept but, to then offer EEA membership instead. To achieve this an extension must be sort. The EU have hinted at such and parliament may well agree to allow time to renegotiate.
Time will tell.
December 8, 2018
There is a claim made by a pro-EU Norwegian towards the end of this article:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/07/norwegian-politicians-reject-uks-norway-plus-brexit-plan
“Norwegian politicians reject UK’s Norway-plus Brexit plan”
which if true should immediately kill off this proposal.
Namely:
“It is not an option for the UK to stay inside the customs union, as the UK proposes to solve the Northern Ireland border issue, if you are part of the Efta platform … ”
As repeatedly pointed out for over a year now, ad nauseam, Norway is not any customs union with the EU and the Irish government has categorically rejected anything like the ‘light touch’ customs border which operates between Norway and Sweden; hence after a very long time for that message to sink into the thick brains of Nick Boles MP and others ‘Norway’ has now finally become ‘Norway plus’, plus a customs union; but if it is true that the UK could not be part of EFTA and also be part of a customs union with the EU then even in its evolved form that cunning plan is knocked on the head.
December 8, 2018
The EFTA Convention, as amended up to 2013:
http://www.efta.int/sites/default/files/documents/legal-texts/efta-convention/Vaduz%20Convention%20Agreement.pdf
“ARTICLE 3
Customs duties on imports and exports, and charges having equivalent effect
Customs duties on imports and exports, and any charges having equivalent effect, shall be prohibited between the Member States. This shall also apply to customs duties of a fiscal nature.”
If the UK remained in a customs union with the EU it would not have control over the duties it was imposing on imports, including on imports from EFTA countries, and therefore it could not sign up to this article in the EFTA treaty.
Should somebody should mention this to the EFTA/EEA fanatics?
December 8, 2018
As I understand it, the pro EEA movement inside the Conservative Party and combining with the Blairites, also wants us in the Customs Union. If that is the case, then they should drop the word Norway, and stop pestering the poor Norwegians. The Norwegians and Swiss are not in the Customs Union. They were put where they are, including in Schengen, because they had the effrontery to vote against the EU. But even their Europhile politicians weren’t brazen enough to put them in the Customs Union.
If EEA plus Customs Union is what the new movement want, they should tell everyone now that the only county which is in the EEA and in the Customs Union is the EU, and that is our destination.
December 9, 2018
I agree. I speak as a pro-EEA Leaver but I am dead against the CU. The CU is evil.
December 9, 2018
EFTA/EEA is preferable to May’s surrender but No deal beats both hands downs closely followed by Canada +++.
It is only preferable if we steer clear of the customs union, and joining it should mean no Transition, hooray.
December 8, 2018
Norway isn’t in the customs union?
December 9, 2018
No. But as Denis has stated they Irish Government will not accept any proposal that means the UK out of the CU. EEA+CU is not BREXIT.
December 8, 2018
I’m certain Ms Rudd has spoken with the PM’s permission.
Now that Mrs.May’s/the EU’s Withdrawal Agreement has been rumbled Mrs. May and her pro-EU Parliamentary colleagues are now trying to find alternatives ways to keep the UK in the EU whilst looking like we are leaving.
The only reason why we are in a mess over the Brexit negotiations is because the PM and a majority in Parliament are tying themselves in knots trying to find a way which looks like we have left when we haven’t.
They are determined to overturn the referendum result by hook or by crook.
We should be informing the EU that their proposed Withdrawal Agreement is unacceptable and we are now preparing for a WTO arrangement in March next year and we would be happy to meet them in London whenever they like to discuss how we can achieve a managed and chaos-free exit from the EU.
December 8, 2018
All very befitting of a third world country gone astray. But what else can we expect from this mendacious bunch of strangers to democracy.
December 8, 2018
Five leave supports who turns out to be remains, what they said was not what they meant when campaigning for leave, it looks like they fool you.
December 8, 2018
If we have to replace May with someone who would be equally disastrous, Rudd is ideal. They both have form as Home Office ministers.
December 8, 2018
The interesting points about the Norway option (joining the EEA) are twofold:
– it is the only option that the EC will agree to that comes anywhere near the policy, such as it is, enunciated by the Labour Party
– it is possible that this parliament, which is full of Remoaners, would prefer it to leaving on 29th March
It is to be hoped that these Remoaners would not dare to repeal or amend the EU Withdrawal Act. It is also unlikely that parliament could agree to the options to be presented in a second referendum.
However, Brexiteers must be prepared to fight a General Election as Brexiteers, i.e. as a broad church political party designed to tap into the votes of most of the 52% who voted Leave. I see lots of worthy speeches by Leavers but I haven’t yet seen a Brexiteers’ Manifesto.
I think – indeed hope – that the present Conservative Party is irreparably broken. The pro-European semi-socialist wing and the Eurosceptic pro-capitalist wing loathe each other too much and disagree too much to make common cause.
And all the king’s horses
And all the king’s men
Will never put it together again
December 8, 2018
Amber Rudd?? She will be as bad for the Tories as May is. What don’t your fellow MP’s understand? We need a Brexiteer. Someone who will deliver what we voted for and what we were promised. Anything less and the party is in the wilderness. Is that what the Tory party wants?
December 8, 2018
Seriously.
Not another Remainer in charge of Brexit !
December 8, 2018
346 vs 17.4m
December 8, 2018
Last night Channel 4 News ventured into Oslo and one good lady speaking on behalf of their government urged the UK not to copy their arrangement with the EU stating
” you have messed your negotiations and you will most likely mess up our arrangement as well”.
December 8, 2018
Boris Johnson as a Tory leader will secure a working majority. Rudd as a Tory leader will see a Marxist government for the first time in British political history
Message to Rudd. Go away and retire before you embarrass yourself even further.
December 8, 2018
Ms Rudd and all other Norway ists are relying on people’s ignorance. It is their way of trying to fool us that this meets the Leave needs whilst actually keeping us tied, leaving in name only. Precisely why May’s agenda is being rejected.
December 8, 2018
I genuinely doubt that Rudd is ‘undermining’ the Prime Minister. I am convinced that – with typical deviousness and cowardice – May has sent Rudd out to bat first. (The BBC were even ordered to report that Rudd was ‘the first’ cabinet minister to advocate the Norway EEA membership idea, and they have repeated it verbatim in every single radio bulleting so far. BBC News editors do not do these things accidentally, or just for a laugh.
It is their agenda.
May knows her daft ‘deal’ is doomed, so she wants the media to soften listeners/viewers into accepting what will be billed as a ‘compromise that should please everyone’. Never mind the fact that it is not and will not. A lot will be made by EEA advocates of the fact that we were in Efta before we joined the EU. And that Efta is basically the EEA. Ignore these people. Efta in 1972 was light years away from its present post-EEA status.
The EEA is basically the EU for national politicians who want to fool their countries into thinking they’re not in the EU.
December 8, 2018
We did not vote to leave the single market and we did not vote to leave the customs union. neither was on the ballot. And during the referendum campaign no one mentioned the customs union, while countless Brexiters (Gove, Paterson, Hannan etc) promised we would stay in the single market
December 8, 2018
Read the leaflet Lendo
December 9, 2018
Wrong – read it and weep. Do you remember this landing through your letterbox? Nothing could be clearer. Stop being economical with the truth. The government leaflet set it out clearly as did Cameron/Osborne….
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf
zorro
December 9, 2018
Lendo:
Your ‘we’ might be true depending on whom your use of we refers to. It could be true if you are 12-year old foreign citizen & his pet hamster living in Thailand opining about yourselves.
Claiming ‘during the referendum campaign no one mentioned the customs union’ is similarly extreme beyond belief. Even one person mentioning it to only one other renders that statement untrue. Both Leavers & Remainers emphasised that Leave involved leaving both the SM & the CU.
Please refer to what Edward2 & zorro guide to assist your awareness.
December 8, 2018
Just another of the many with her own agenda who does not give three fifths about the electorate let alone the country.
Failure at the DECC, Home Office and now joining the Gove camp as yet another back stabber. When is Central Office going to wake up to actually the poor choice of people with principles and dedication to the party let alone the country and its values, we have representing us at Westminster. Time to drain the swamp. Change has got to come very quickly if we do not want to be sent into the political wilderness for years to come.
Who will be next? Leadsom, Fox and Gove just to add a flavour of treachery to the mix for the forth coming leadership contest that must surely be but days away.
December 8, 2018
Norway is not in the EU. If that’s what Parliament wants, then it’ll happen. There is no mandate to leave without a deal and there never was. If there were a majority of MPs in favour of no deal, you’d be the first to demand that Parliament decides what happens if May’s deal is voted down. Even if we leave without a deal by default, Brexit will never be accepted by the 16 point whatever million people who tried to stop this fiasco happening. No deal will actually torpedo Brexit because it’ll lead to another referendum within 10 years. I don’t know why I bother to tell you because ideologues like you can’t see beyond your tiny, idealized objectives.
December 9, 2018
Lie after lie. Are you Theresa May?
December 9, 2018
Where is the mandate to leave with a deal?
Only remain or leave was on the referendum ballot paper.
There is no such thing as no deal.
What you really by no deal mean is actually leaving the EU and becoming an independent nation.
December 8, 2018
In a time of crisis you would expect cabinet ministers to be looking for solutions beyond the current plan which doomed to fail. This is not an ordinary cabinet problem. There has to be a plan B and May is not providing one. So other ministers will fill the vacuum. They’re just doing their jobs.
December 8, 2018
Will we wear jackets?
What colour might they be?
December 9, 2018
It there’s a worse person than May to lead the Tory party its Rudd. Its even possible she will loose here seat at any next election as she has a majority of only just over 300.
December 9, 2018
It strikes me that Rudd is closely attached to May – Why else would she be back in favour so soon….?
Could she be proposing this on behalf of May?
As for Rudd as a potential PM – This has to be some kind of sick joke put about by remoaners – another scare story?
December 9, 2018
They have to defend her position? Really? I don’t remember you saying anything about Boris Johnson’s regular briefings against the cabinet position when he was Foreign Secretary.
December 9, 2018
Regarding the Norway option.
It isn’t an option until we are invited to join and that is by no means certian.
The Norway option also depends on the EU, they CAN change their terms with any “new” member.
If it comes to that we will be getting a real beating on the terms such as large annual payments (nothing like the small sums the others are paying).
The EU can even demand fishing rights in our waters, NOTHING is off the table as far as the EU is concerned.