Facts4eu run my views on a Brexit bonus budget

The website Facts4eu which has some good material has run a piece adapted from this website today. It can be seen on <a href= ” https://facts4eu.org/news/2019 june redwood on brexit opportunities”>

I can’t get the link to work so just type in facts4eu.org and it gets you to their site.
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  1. Posted June 1, 2019 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    We published a revised version of Sir John’s article because these messages need to reach as wide an audience as possible.

    The direct link to the article is here:

    We would like to thank JR for his permission to do this.

  2. Dominic
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Will you attend court if a pro-EU British judge demands your presence?

    When we do elect a Eurosceptic as Tory leader he needs to do one simple thing. Take revenge and purge the entire Europhile client state built up under Blair

    No longer can we tolerate MPs being dragged into court for expressing an opinion.

    It is intolerable and deeply troubling to see judges acting with political intent and without impartiality. The arrogance is disturbing and deeply sinister. It suggests they feel they can act this way with impunity. I find that sinister

    This country needs a dose of salts and fast

    • Lifelogic
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:35 am | Permalink

      Not so easy to do. There are ever where in the legal profession, politicians, civil servants, the BBC, academia, the Lords is stuffed with pro EU, lefties and misguided climate alarmists.

      ‘MANY-DEALS BREXIT’ CAN MAKE US BETTER OFF

      It can indeed so long as we avoid Corbyn and Labour. All that is needed is a PM with some real vision.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

        Just listened to Rory Steward on the spectator Coffee House Shots podcasts. Going on about a massive government house building programme, millions for hearing aid research because his dad had difficulties in old age.

        The man is clearly a another deluded socialist – almost more so than T May and P Hammond. Why is the Tory party stuffed with so many deluded ‘government knows best’, magic money tree lefties who think governments should run almost everything.

        This despite the endless incompetence they exhibit whenever they do so.

    • margaret howard
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 11:06 am | Permalink

      Dominic

      ” Take revenge and purge the entire Europhile client state built up under Blair”

      Purge? That sounds like something out of the old Soviet Union under Stalin. A good deal more sinister than anything the pro EU supporters were guilty of according to you.

      • Anonymous
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

        Your lot started it.

      • Steve
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

        MH

        Whatever it takes to clear out the rot. If that means purges, then that is what must be done.

        Nothing like a good old fashioned reckoning.

      • Andy
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

        Purge. Betrayal. Collaborator. Traitor.

        The language of extreme regimes (both left and right) everywhere.

        Also the language of the Brexiteers.

        • Steve
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 7:05 am | Permalink

          Andy

          So ?

          It’s people like yourself who cause it. But that’s what liberal sissies do…..go around ‘causing’ things.

        • Lifelogic
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 7:09 am | Permalink

          But clearly fair and accurate of May’s government.

    • Steve
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

      Dominic

      Yes it’s as disturbing as it is disgusting.

      Who’d have thought this country would emulate despotic third world dictatorships by having a bent judiciary.

      Blair has a lot to answer for.

    • Steve
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

      Dominic

      Spot on.

      I previously reply to your post but it appears our host got all ‘pusillanimous’ about it.

      • PeterM
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 8:55 am | Permalink

        “pusillanimous”? I don’t think so. Sir John has a long career as Government advisor, MP, minister behind him. He might still have further to go. Why should he let a little nobody like you write any deeply offensive comment on his site with the prospect that it could be retained against him in the future? Today (Sunday 2) Sir John accepts that Nigel Farage should be involved in future Brexit negotiations/planning. What more do you want? Do you think a bit before writing? Or are you 2.2% Tommy Robinson?

  3. Denis Cooper
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Off-topic, one Mike Oldham has this excellent lead letter in the Telegraph today:

    “Clearly neither Carolyn Fairbairn, the director-general of the Confederation of British Industry, nor, it would seem, any other members of the CBI (which wants the next Prime Minister to take the option of a no-deal Brexit off the table) have ever negotiated a deal with a second-hand car salesman. How could one possibly make a deal without the option to walk away?”

    In any case the UK cannot unilaterally “get no deal off the table”, as Philip Hammond put it; that could only ever be done through a joint decision of the UK and the EU, and Article 50 TEU would not allow the EU to agree to it be taken off the table:

    http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/05/30/leadership-candidates-who-say-they-will-renegotiate-the-withdrawal-agreement-need-to-tell-us-why-they-think-the-eu-will-want-to/#comment-1025093

    http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/05/30/leadership-candidates-who-say-they-will-renegotiate-the-withdrawal-agreement-need-to-tell-us-why-they-think-the-eu-will-want-to/#comment-1025099

    • Adam
      Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:12 am | Permalink

      Donald Trump is expressing opinions about Theresa May’s weak stance on EU negotiations. Perhaps he would enjoy acting as our EU Negotiator-in-Chief, having a strong US trade option for us within his grasp.

      He could rapidly sort out most of the nonsense, with our deciding on terms at arms length. It would certainly shake up the EU’s intransigence.

  4. Al
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    Is this ‘can’t get the link to work’, or more ‘unable to directly link because of Article15&17’? (I am joking, but only just…)

  5. Richard1
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    I had not realised, as you say below, that the UK can in fact conduct FTA negotiations with non-EU countries while a member of the EU (contrary to what Mrs May has asserted). If so this should be a major question for new PM candidates: how quickly and forcefully will they get discussions going on joining TPP, an Australia-NZ deal, a US deal and of course rolling over or improving existing EU deals.

    We won’t get these done by Oct 31, but if they are well under way it will be a huge confidence boost if the Country does need to steel itself for the (hop over the) cliff edge. Confidence over the cliff edge hop might of course encourage a rational approach in the EU.

    • graham1946
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

      As I understand it we don’t need to rush to get it done by 31st October, but merely to get the EU to agree to start FTA talks (as they already offered MrsMay last year but she didn’t want to do it, being at heart a Remainer). Then we can tell the WTO that we are enacting Article 24 which allows trading on current arrangements for 2 – 10 years whilst we sort it out finally. It should not take long if the EU act in good faith which they are keen on us doing, as we already have everything in place. This is the one positive of being a member for 40 odd years. There will be no cliff edge either for us or the EU. All we need is a resolute PM to get it done or walk away with WTO terms (that which Remainers call No Deal)

      • Denny
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

        You have to agree to mrs mays deal. If not, the EU will say no to any talks and Art 24 does not apply.

        • Pominoz
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 4:15 am | Permalink

          Wrong

      • rose
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

        Opposing No Deal is just code for “We are blocking Brexit.”

        This really should be spelled out to people, again and again.

        • Lifelogic
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:10 am | Permalink

          Indeed.

    • zorro
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

      It had been established very early on in the process that we could negotiate FTAs with non-EU countries whilst still a member, the only stricture was that we could not sign/put them into effect while still a member. The T May was the Remainer argument (incorrect) during the referendum campaign… https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/resource/possible-united-kingdom-negotiate-trade-agreement-eu-ftas-third-countries-new-legal-status-within-wto-part-eu/

      zorro

    • Ken Gray
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

      No country will waste time talking to the UK until its postBrexit relationship to the EU is settled. Stay in the singlemarket and we are attractive. Leave with no deal, nobody will waste time talking to the lonely Brits

      • Richard1
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

        I’d have thought it’s the other way round. Either we are in the EU orbit in which case the flexibility to agree much will be very limited, or we’re outside it – se 165 or so other ‘lonely’ countries – in which case we would be worth talking to.

      • Edward2
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:43 am | Permalink

        That can already be seen not to be true Ken, because numerous nations are already “talking to us” about post EU trade relationships.

        • graham1946
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 9:20 am | Permalink

          Including, of course, the world’s biggest one, the USA, so Ken what you said is just what the LibDims say to Brexit.

    • margaret howard
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

      Richard1

      ” an Australia-NZ deal”

      I remember both these countries being bitterly offended when we ditched them virtually overnight after finally being admitted to the EU bloc in 1973

      Until then we were the biggest importers of Australian frozen lamb and New Zealand butter enjoyed a virtual monopoly here. Both countries eventually turned to the East to establish new markets for their products.

      Do you really think that they will now drop everything in favour of trade deals with us? I doubt it.

      • Edward2
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:57 am | Permalink

        Margaret, there have already been meetings and positive statements from Australia and New Zealand for a renewed improved trading relationship after we leave the EU.

      • Steve
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 7:19 am | Permalink

        MH

        I agree in principle with you say. However it has been my experience that businesses tend not to turn down business.

      • graham1946
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink

        Margaret, why do Remainers see only ‘all or nothing’? They have the opinion that all trade with from EU will stop and we will stop exporting to the EU. Total nonsense, deals are in addition to what we currently do, not instead of. That is how we can become more prosperous, not like you and Fact Free Andy say about us being poorer. Just a lack of imagination on the part of Remainers who are terrified of standing on our own feet, which we did for a thousand years before the EU. Be realistic and stop this ridiculous stance.

        • margaret howard
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 11:09 am | Permalink

          Graham

          ” standing on our own feet, which we did for a thousand years before the EU”

          Didn’t know the EU were that old -:)

          • graham1946
            Posted June 2, 2019 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

            As usual, no reply, just being obtuse. Must try harder. A fact or two would be welcome instead of the usual Remainer nonsense.

  6. jerry
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_june_redwood_on_brexit_opportunities

    That should work, underscores are important in URLs…!

    Reply Many thanks for the help

  7. Gareth Johns
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    You write there are already deals on customs cooperation etc. That is a bare faced lie. There are no deals at all, nor will there be any until the UK signs the WA. The Commission has issued notice explaining the action the EU will take unilaterally in the event of a no deal Brexit, but the UK has no say at all in that process, nor are the UK’s interests taken into account.

    • Jagman84
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

      There is absolutely no need to sign the WA. If we did, the EU mafia would have all that they required, prior to any trade talks. A clean break exit would force them to come to the table, due to the large trade imbalance between the EU27 and the UK. There may be political bluster from the EU mafia at first but financial reality would ultimately bite them hard. Remember that, freed from EU mafia shackles, the UK will be able to go anywhere in the rest of the world to find new markets. However, the EU27 do not have the freedom to do the same. The EU mafia decides this for them, whilst favouring certain member states.

      • Denny
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

        Those German carmakers are gonna come to our rescue, eh?

        • Steve
          Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

          Denny

          They’d be mighty p****d with the EU commission, who they will see as having cost them serious money.

    • Woody
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

      Now who should we believe when it comes to bare faced lies .. the doom merchants of the europhiles who have proven to be wrong, big style, or John Redwood who can provide the facts. The eu will bend when it has no choice, we should offer a FTA and its up to the eurocracy to decide to accept it or accept no deal no money, and then we wait for their businesses to kick off to protect one of their major export markets.

      • margaret howard
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 11:11 am | Permalink

        Woody

        Protect one of their major export markets?

        They employ thousands of workers in this country and without them we wouldn’t have a car industry left at all unless you mean Aston Martin and Del Trotter’s Reliant Robin.

        • Edward2
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

          You fail to understand Margaret that the automotive industry is a world wide industry.
          Your constant sneering about who owns what in this country, is a sad reflection on your attitude towards the UK’s very successful growing automotive engineering industry, which employs hundreds of thousands of people, pays many hundreds of millions in taxes and invests billions here in the UK.
          PS
          Reliant closed decades ago.

    • acorn
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

      Just got back from touring the Normandy Beaches, again. If you get chance, visit the Airborne Museum at Sainte Mere Eglise at least. I read here that fantasy Brexit is alive and well. Anyway Gareth, http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-2052_en.htm confirms your thoughts; for instance.

      “… should a ‘no-deal’ scenario occur, the UK would be expected to address three main separation issues as a precondition before the EU would consider embarking on discussions about the future relationship. These are: (1) protecting and upholding the rights of citizens who have used their right to free movement before Brexit, (2) honouring the financial obligations the UK has made as a Member State and (3) preserving the letter and spirit of the Good Friday Agreement and peace on the island of Ireland, as well as the integrity of the internal market.”

      BTW. You have to have “a deal” before parties to that deal can use GATT Art 24 protection against MFN challenges. No deal, no GATT 24; got it. The EU doesn’t do “interim agreements” anymore; particularly not for large complex FTA agreements.

      • Denny
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

        Brilliant skewering of the mad argument that if we leave with no deal, the EU will agree to a deal

        • Edward2
          Posted June 1, 2019 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

          The Withdrawal Agreement is not a deal.
          The trade negotiations will start after we leave.

      • Steve
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

        Acorn

        1) No problem with that.

        2) Legal advice is that we owe the EU nothing.

        3) Nothing to do with them, they should keep their nose out.

      • Edward2
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:55 am | Permalink

        1. The UK has already said it will uphold the status of EU citizens living and working here in the UK.
        2. The UK has already said it will honour its obligations and pay what is legally owed.
        3 The UK has said it will not build a hard border and sp has the Republic of Ireland.
        It is unlikely the EU will build a wall.
        So a solution will be found to track trusted traders who traverse the border with bulk goods regularly just as it happens between other countries around the world.
        4. I realise you look for trade obstacles acorn but it is unlikely the EU will blockade trade by its members into the UK.
        Much is made of the need for a trade deal usually by people who have never imported or exported in their lives.
        Japan has only just signed a trade deal but traded for decades in Europe and the UK.
        And Denny
        The Withdrawal Agreement is not a deal.

        • acorn
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 11:12 am | Permalink

          Trade will go on as now, nobody will blockade anything, consumer prices will change and quantities available will adjust. The exchange value of the currency will ultimately decide how much the UK, with its high import demand, can afford.

          The withdrawal agreement, if “ratified” (UN legal term), would be a legally binding treaty, the political declaration is a legally non-binding document; however, despite their different legal nature, they are considered as a package for the purpose of the approval process in both the EU and the UK.

          • Edward2
            Posted June 2, 2019 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

            They can consider whatever they like acorn.
            But if the next PM will not bring the dreadful Withdrawal Agreement back to Parliament then it is not going to gain approval.
            So we will leave in October as the law states.
            PS a motion does not trump a law.

        • Fred H
          Posted June 3, 2019 at 2:00 am | Permalink

          Edward…..The forced out PM ‘agreed’ all that, we merely point out the fact she acted without proper authority. She was never a dictator but tried hard to get away with it.

    • Steve
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

      Gareth Jones

      “There are no deals at all”

      That’s a bare faced lie.

  8. Lifelogic
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Not so easy to do. There are ever where in the legal profession, politicians, civil servants, the BBC, academia, the Lords is stuffed with pro EU, lefties and misguided climate alarmists.

    ‘MANY-DEALS BREXIT’ CAN MAKE US BETTER OFF

    It can indeed so long as we avoid Corbyn and Labour. All that is needed is a PM with some real vision.

  9. Woody
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    I see the red remainers have produced a contra web site factsforeu. Seems very pro eu and surprise surprise very left.

    • Steve
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

      Woody

      Interesting, I wonder if they have a blog /forum.

  10. Newmania
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Why not inflict the Brexit tax only on those who voted for it, or rather their grandchildren ?

    • Edward2
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:34 am | Permalink

      Providing remainers are denied all the monetary benefits of our economic growth after we leave the EU

      • Andy
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

        Deal. See that there is no Brexit boost, we win.

        • Edward2
          Posted June 2, 2019 at 6:00 am | Permalink

          Wrong Andy.
          Even the very pessimistic 15 year guess into the future by the Treasury showed continued growth in the UK economy.

          • margaret howard
            Posted June 2, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

            Edward2

            You obviously included the car industry in your estimates.

            A quick check revealed:

            More than 1.6 million cars were produced here in the first 11 months of 2016

            Almost four fifths (78%) was exported

            UK car manufacturing output in November 2016 was higher than at any time since 1999

            More than half of exports were to the European Union

            More than 2 million engines were produced in the UK

            More than 70 different models are built in the UK by more than 30 manufacturers.
            ==

            And just 3 are British owned:

            Morgan Motor Company Ltd (Aero 8, Plus 8, Roadster, Plus 4, 4/4, 3 wheeler)
            Caterham Cars Ltd (Seven)
            Mclaren Automotive
            ==

            Do you REALLY believe the others will stay here if conditions don’t suit them?

            Especially after Scotland and Ireland have gone and just a rump England is left?

            Dream on.

          • Edward2
            Posted June 2, 2019 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

            Red herring nonsense by you Margaret.
            The EU has already enticed some UK car companies to relocate out of the EU so these things happen whilst we are in the EU.

            The Treasury report looking at 15 years prospects after we leave the EU predicted continual growth.
            Fact.

            You keep saying “rump England”
            Which is as ridiculous as it is factually wrong
            First you have missed Wales off secondly England has over 80% of the population and GDP and tax revenues.
            Freed from bailing out Scotland and N Ireland we would be even better off.
            What a prospect.
            Now I really am dreaming on.

        • Fred H
          Posted June 3, 2019 at 8:55 am | Permalink

          margaret H…….what!
          do check things out.

          McLaren is essentially owned by Arab major shareholdings ( Mansour Ojjeh).
          Investindustrial (Italian) has announced the acquisition of a majority stake .
          Caterham is owned by Tony Fernandes, Kamarudin Meranun and SM Nasarudin.
          Morgan – Investindustrial has announced the acquisition of a majority stake.

    • SueW
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:59 am | Permalink

      On that basis, shouldn’t the UK’s financial contributions to the EU be made solely by the ‘remainers?

      • Anonymous
        Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

        Yup.

    • Woody
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

      So the benefits from leaving are to be directed solely to the leave supporters .. no, we are more generous in our success … it can be shared by all of the uk, even Scotland.

    • Dominic
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 10:38 am | Permalink

      The D-Day commemorations are just around the corner. The lives of thousands of Allied soldiers laid down to protect the very thing people like you find offensive, democracy

      More EU equals less British democracy equals the dilution of that one apolitical mechanism the British voter possesses to assert control over the actions of a political class.

      Your rejection of the EU referendum result is a rejection of all that we are and all that Allied soldiers fought and died for

      A heavy dose of soul searching is your order of the day

      • jerry
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 7:52 am | Permalink

        @Dominic; Disgusting comment.

        Many a Socialist (and indeed Communist) from the UK died on those D-Day beaches, and battles elsewhere before and after, so that people including you have the freedom to express your political beliefs without fear.

      • margaret howard
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 11:48 am | Permalink

        Dominic

        I think you revealed more about yourself and what you profess to stand for than you intended in that posting.

        It is definitely not what I believe WW2 was all about. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    • mancunius
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 10:45 am | Permalink

      “Have you stopped beating your wife?”

      If you read the article, you can see the plan for lower taxes.

      Perhaps you’d prefer to complain about that?

    • Richard1
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

      Then you’d get into a debate over who gets the benefits eg of saving £12bn a year, being out idiocies like the CAP and CFP, the boost to growth from new FTAs etc.

    • graham1946
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

      Weaker and weaker. Desperation sets in.

      I’d settle for a tax rebate from the Brexit Bonus only for those who voted ‘Leave’. If such a thing was on offer the country would suddenly be 100 per cent Leavers.

    • Mark
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

      Perhaps we should do likewise to Remain enthusiasts. Remember, there wouldn’t even be a rebate in the next 7 year EU budget.

    • Steve
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

      Newmania

      What a rather stupid thing to suggest.

    • libertarian
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

      Newmania

      What as opposed to grandchildren paying tax to keep EU unemployed in dole money ? Or to fund the EU army your swore wasn’t going to happen, or maybe to make up for the estimated £40 billion in corporate taxes we were ordered to repay to UK based multinationals

    • Anonymous
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

      Newmania

      You lost the vote a couple of weeks back didn’t you hear ?

  11. Dominic
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    ‘TUC boss Frances O’Grady has been added to the board of the Bank of England in a series of appointments confirmed by the Chancellor, Philip Hammond.’

    Now this is why Hammond’s become a poison at the Treasury and this action is why the entire Tory party needs purging of the virus that is Europhilia

    To make this appointment at this time is indicative of a politician laying traps for the future Tory leader

    Whoever becomes the next leader they have to adopt a strategy that utterly wipes away the influence of pro-EU placemen including O’Grady

    Hammond’s behaviour is deeply destructive

    • Steve
      Posted June 1, 2019 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

      Dominic

      “…O’Grady has been added to the board of the Bank of England”

      Now there’s a fine old English sounding name.

      • jerry
        Posted June 2, 2019 at 11:53 am | Permalink

        @Steve; Duh?! The surname O’Grady is no less native to Britain than the name Farage is, the latter most likely originating from French Huguenots…

  12. jerry
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    @Newmania; You’re assuming, like all good Remainers are told to, that Brexit will cause tax increases, for a start with a WTO exit VAT can be cut by at least 5% across the board, not just on the often mentioned utilities bills and sanitary products…

    But you do have a point, perhaps your logic should be used for green taxes, only those who worry about CO2 emissions (or what ever) should pay ‘Green’ taxes?!

  13. Oliver
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    If any one doubts what bad shape the Conservative party is in, they should know that the candidate in Peterborough is sending out e-mails asking people to canvass for him, and he says:

    “This by-election will be close.

    And it can only be won by me – or by Jeremy Corbyn’s candidate.

    We just can’t afford to let his candidate sneak through. ”

    Oddschecker make Brexit 5/1 ON to win, Labour 4/1, and the Conservatives 25/1.

    May said “people are calling us the “nasty” party”… I wonder if “nasty [but competent]” is worse than “pathetic”, “incompetent”, “stupid”, or simply laughable?

  14. ian wragg
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    I’ve just read Javids take on the WA. He says if we can get a time limit on the backstop then it will be acceptable.
    Barnier is talking about a 4 year period to solve the Irish border non problem using new technology and if that fails having a 5 to 7 year limit to the backstop.

    Do you really think you will ever win another election if in 2022 we are still in a going nowhere transition period with a possible 8 more years of TP and backstop. i.e 14 years after the referendum we are still subject to 100% EU law and payments having possibly given away fishing rights, FoM and Gibraltar. The mans a total idiot.

  15. ChrisS
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    All Conservatives should be extremely worried for the future of their party.
    They are in the last chance saloon and simply have to deliver Brexit on the 31st October.

    The problem is that more than half the Parliamentary party are either so implacably opposed to Brexit that they don’t care, or simply don’t understand the depth of feeling in the Country.

    If anyone can successfully establish a new political party at Westminster under our First Past The Post System it’s Nigel Farage. His choice of Mike Greene as the Brexit Party candidate for the Peterborough seat was a typical Farage master stroke.

    Let’s hope Mr Greene wins the seat but whether or not that has the slightest impact on Conservative Remainer MPs and the leadership contest is very much open to doubt.

    If they succeed in keeping Dominic Raab, Esther McVey and Boris off the final ballot paper will be the last straw.

  16. Martin Conboy
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    You need a closing slash at the end of the link, e.g. opportunities”/>

  17. s matthews
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Can anyone clarify for me what the net amount we send to the EU annually. I believe our gross contribution is calculated from our GNI and VAT reciepts. But does it include the approx £3+ billion we collect in tariffs and send 80% of to the EU?

  18. Prigger
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    In view of the fact that Mr Javid deserves a fair crack at being PM we should insist that all campaigning for PM should take place in Dover where he is shackled and some say in stocks at his job well done.

    PS I propose we form a Navy

  19. Anonymous
    Posted June 1, 2019 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Ignore Andy.

    Uncontrolled borders.

    Knife crime.

    These doom your party.

    • margaret howard
      Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

      Anonymous

      We are not members of Schengen

      We have full control of our own borders

      And we have the highest cases of knife crime/murder in the EU.

      I wonder why?

      • Edward2
        Posted June 3, 2019 at 6:38 am | Permalink

        Come off it margaret we do not have full control of our borders.
        Why do you say such nonsense?

  20. Posted June 2, 2019 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Sir John refurbishment of derelict and shops that have been empty for more than 2 years attracts VAT (unlike provisions in the housing sector), unless you ‘opt the property into tax’. By doing so for at least 20 years you have to charge VAT on the rent. For start ups and small businesses on the High Street, this is a killer, as is the luxury rate of VAT on repairing roofs etc for landlords.

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