New borders and migration policy for EU

The Home Secretary has announced that she plans legislation in the UK to ensure more people traffickers can be caught or prevented from exploiting people by taking money to help them break the law. She also has made clear that this legislation will also allow the removal of illegals who do not qualify for asylum in a timely way, after their case has been considered.

Meanwhile the EU is acknowledging that its migration policy “no longer works”. The Commission has set out how Member states reject 370,000 asylum claims a year, but only return one third of these people to the states they came from. It chronicles how there were 1.8 million illegal crossings of the EU border in 2015, falling to 142,000 last year. It proposes a changed law to replace the Dublin convention, which states that each asylum seeker should apply for asylum in the first member state they enter. This has widely been seen as unfair on Italy, Spain and Greece who receive the bulk of the illegal arrivals and the asylum seekers.

The new scheme they want will entail a common migration policy with a solidarity requirement that all Member states contribute to housing those who qualify to stay, and help secure the return of those who do not. “The new Solidarity mechanism will primarily focus on relocation or return sponsorship. Member states would supply all necessary support to the Member State under pressure to swiftly return those who have no right to stay, with the supporting Member State taking full responsibility if return is not carried out within a set period. Member states can concentrate on nationalities where they see a better chance of effecting returns.”

The EU has very long borders, with difficult policing problems. They also now have substantial areas that are fenced to try to close off land routes. They propose the appointment of a senior person as Return Co-ordinator and a “High Level Network for returns”. Frontex, their border force, is to be expanded to “a standing corps with a capacity of 10,000 staff ” which “remains essential”. All illegals seeking to enter will be “health checked, finger printed and registered on the Eurodac database.

It is interesting to see how the EU is now trying to exert control over illegal migrants, and reminds us it is a much more difficult problem for the EU with massive borders including land borders, than for the islands of the UK.

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227 Comments

  1. Mick
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    The EU has very long borders, with difficult policing problems.
    That’s a joke we are surrounded by a bloody big moat yet they still seem to get in, you are supposed to be the party of law and order and to protect us, you have a very large majority given temporary by not Tory voters ,so use it and get a law in place to help to getting all these illegals off our land and quicker

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:32 am | Permalink

      They don’t want to.
      It has been open house throughout this viral pantomime ( which they are still ramping up).
      GDP and cheap labour are maybe the drivers? Or they just want to replace us?
      They find our hatred and mistrust alarming? =no more votes.
      We need to ask them outright.
      “Why are you doing this?”
      “Is it to save the banks…again?”

      • M Davis
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

        Politicians only ever think about saving their own skins!

    • Andy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:35 am | Permalink

      If they are illegal they are removed. If they are genuine asylum seekers they are helped. This is because, for all of your efforts, most of us remain decent people who are happy to help those in need.

      • beresford
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

        If only this were true. The majority, who have no credible claim to refugee status, have a protracted legal battle at our expense and then after they lose they stay anyway. Some criminals who are deported are back within the country in a week. Surely we can all agree that such return should draw an automatic period of imprisonment.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

        Almost none are every removed.

      • JohnK
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

        Andy,

        I’m sure you believe that.

        Now, I have some bad news for you about Father Christmas…

      • Everhopeful
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

        Charity…which is cold…begins at home.
        So start knitting!

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

        Oh – like the old and infirm who have nothing but their pensions to live on?

      • graham1946
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

        Even you can’t really believe that tosh. The first sentence is complete rubbish.

        Decent people do not wish the elderly ill as you constantly do, calling for pensions which have been paid for to be cancelled and thereby allowing them to starve to death.

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

        This is because, for all of your efforts, most of us remain decent people who are happy to help those in need.

        And a question I have asked you numerous times, which you NEVER answer is – How many people who are in need would you help?

        Half the world is in need – billions of people. How many would you allow to come here? Is there any limit? Any practical limit?

      • DavidJ
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:11 am | Permalink

        Open your eyes to reality Andy.

    • Nigl
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:39 am | Permalink

      Don’t hold your breath. The Tories have dissembled on this for at least the last decade and continue to deliberately under resource the Border Force and Immigration authorities.

      We now learn that up to 24 billion could be lost due to fraud and giving to insolvent companies through the recent Covid loans scheme and the much trumpeted House Improvement scheme has been delayed yet again and still does not have enough providers making it a post code lottery.

      Of course we will have to pay for all of this whilst the people responsible, similar to Hancock, Dido Harding, Patel etc continue to swan along earning fat salaries totally unaccountable.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

      The vast majority of illegal immigration to the UK is by people landing normally at airports on visas, but then simply disappearing into the crowd never to leave.

      It dwarfs the number hiding in lorries or coming via dinghies.

      The UK under the Tories never properly implemented eBorders in order to count people in and then out again.

      The Tories blocked Labour’s ID card scheme.

      The UK does not have a residency register.

      Stricter control of the UK’s physical geography only addresses a minor point, albeit sensationalised by the sillier parts of the media.

      • a-tracy
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

        Well covid and loss of work will soon flush them all out Martin. Or crime will go through the roof where they’re living.

      • Caterpillar
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

        MiC,

        Fair points.

        How would you now approach documenting the estimated 0.5m to 1.5m undocumented immigrants in the UK?

        Is there an approach that would (i) be effective, (ii) have cross-party support, and (iii) in the current climate not add to the (perceived) erosion of liberty and democracy?

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

        What are NI numbers for? Is that not a ‘residency register’?
        Forged ID cards are a massive danger because illegal and criminal people are accepted as kosher. They must be resisted at all times.

      • graham1946
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

        I don’t happen to share your view that the 4 billion pound bill for the illegal immigrants to be housed in hotels etc. is a minor point. Got any figures for the ones you mentioned in your first paragraph or is it just one of your kite flying jobs you hope no-one will challenge?

      • steve
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

        MiC

        “The Tories blocked Labour’s ID card scheme.”

        But in reality everywhere you go these days you’re stuffed if you don’t drive or hold a passport.

        Try getting a cv19 test without photo ID, opening a bank account etc.

        Besides, indigenous people should not need ID cards.

        Blair wanted us to have ID cards to make us feel like second class foreigners in our own country. Everything that bloke did was racist against the English.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:38 am | Permalink

      Stop paying legal aid. If English people cant get it, why are you funding leftwing lawyers to prevent illegal aliens being deported? Richard Littlejohn summed up the mood of the Nation yesterday in the Mail. Guido showed the stats last week relating to the left wing people in charge of the Civil Serpents, quango’s and Health and public services. Blairs legacy to infest all of these bodies with left wing recruitment and selection policies and add a culture of woke political correctness. You,very had 10 years to correct it. Therefore we can only conclude you are all fake Conservatives.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

        +1

      • Hope
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

        Goodness me, what a load of tripe from JR today. 20 just got off the deportation plane! 1 out of 30 stayed on the plane the other day.

        Buckland allowed out 700 plus illegals from deportation centres who had exhausted all legal routes to stay! I wonder who will find them! 250,000 illegal immigrants lost to May, 56,000 illegal immigrants lost to Rudd. Javid announced they would not be put in detention centers! Who is JR and his band of fools trying to kid? I know let us have a task force or czar like Dido Harding, how has she improved test and trace lately!

        Osborn told us no one was serious about cutting numbers in private. Mayhab signed up to the migration pact to treat illegal migrants as legal! Have you reversed it? No of course not.

        New immigration policy will allow millions to come here to compete with nationals for the few jobs available! When unemployment is predicted by this govt to go through the roof i.e. 4 million by Christmas, the Fake Tories allow more in! There is no number or cap for immigration therefore no limit!

        Remind us why we are paying Turkey hundreds of millions of our taxes? Why Merkel was allowed to unilaterally allow millions in and told every EU country to take their fare share! She now says she does not regret it but is proud! Meanwhile in the real world Sweden claims rise in crime because of migrants and France says there is a parallel society with Muslim areas in Paris.

        What happened to the millions spent on refugee camps Cameron promised to stop them coming here?

        Gillian Duffey smeared by a Brown sums up MPs view of the public who want to cut ALL forms of immigration.

        Reply I am not trying to fool anyone. I want us to control our borders properly and talk about the subject

        • Hope
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

          You had ten years! All we had was lies and deceit. Your govt.is trying to fool us. A matter of fact and record.

          We had the excuse of EU, but non EU immigration at record highs!

        • margaret howard
          Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

          Hope

          “Why Merkel was allowed to unilaterally allow millions in and told every EU country to take their fare share! She now says she does not regret it but is proud!”

          And so should all decent people. She was the only head of state who had the courage to offer these desperate refugees a place of safety. You also forget that it was our interference in the Middle East culminating in joining the USA in the illegal invasion and war against Iraq that started the terror there.

          Alas much of the rest of your claims are just rehashed Daily Mail style propaganda.

    • Uri
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 11:48 am | Permalink

      Stopping them coming in the first place might be even more effective but we can’t even seem to do that. Lots of talk from Priti Patel, but little action.

    • steve
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

      Mick

      “you have a very large majority given temporary by not Tory voters ,so use it and get a law in place to help to getting all these illegals off our land and quicker”

      …too late. Boris is about to get on his knees before the EU and beg for an extension. There is also talk of him giving 3 years transitional french access to our fishing grounds.

      And as you point out illegals still being dumped here by the french.

      All guff & broken promises by this government, next election the alleged conservatives are out of existence.

      WE warned, we meant it.

  2. Polly Smith
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    You think the UK doesn’t have a land border? Well it does. And the deal you voted for – Boris’s oven ready deal – means we are not allowed to police that land border, and must instead put a border in our own country, between Northern Ireland and Britain. Utterly shameful

    • Andy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:24 am | Permalink

      Everyone who voted Conservative voted for that dead. 13m people. 42% of the electorate.

      We told you it was a rubbish deal but you all voted for it anyway.

      • graham1946
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

        23 percent of the electorate voted Remain in 1975 but it stuck for more than 40 years, plus the Maastricht treaty taking away our sovereignty was rammed through without public consent. That was the true rubbish deal which has cost this country hundreds of billions in fees, duties and VAT, let alone the imbalance of trade. Care to comment on that?

      • steve
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

        Andy

        What ‘deal’ ? we didn’t vote for any deal and we were never asked.

        We voted to leave the EU lock stock & barrel. No trade, no defence commitments, no fishing, nothing whatsoever to do with the ungrateful EU.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:37 am | Permalink

      Yes, leaving the European Union was always a very, very silly idea, even if only for that reason alone.

      • steve
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

        Sort of thing you’d expect from an ungrateful anglophobe.

    • Richard1
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

      It says no such thing. Read it

  3. Stephen Priest
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    How can we trust the Government on immigration

    This Boris is the old Boris. The Boris that bought water cannon for for more than £320,000 while he was London Mayor sold for just £11,025. The Boris that supported Barak Obama.

    London’s Boris bikes cycle hire scheme has cost UK taxpayers nearly £200 million

    Pointless grandiose schemes

    • Stephen Priest
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:34 am | Permalink

      An epidemic of failure:

      Test and Trace that doesn’t work, local lockdowns that don’t make sense, flu deaths counted as Covid-19… and an economy on the brink. We somehow made a crisis worse, writes Dr JOHN LEE

      Daily Mail

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:36 am | Permalink

      Wasn’t there something about a bridge too?
      A garden bridge that never happened.
      Wasted £53 million.

    • margaret howard
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:11 am | Permalink

      Stephen

      And don’t forget his ‘Garden Bridge’ which was cancelled in 2017. This failed project cost £53m, including £43m in public money!

      • a-tracy
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

        Boris didn’t cancel it, he’d have gone ahead. Perhaps it would have been just a big a success as Andy claimed the O2 was.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

        Now they want a bridge to Northern Ireland too! Build entirely with carbon free energy and carbon free concrete no doubt!

    • Roy Grainger
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:18 am | Permalink

      Just remind us again, who was the Home Secretary that stopped him putting the water cannon into service ? Hardly his fault.

    • No Longer Anonymous
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:33 am | Permalink

      +1

    • beresford
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:32 am | Permalink

      The so-called ‘common migration policy’ is another attempt to destroy the social cohesion of countries like Hungary and Poland, weaponising migrants whose cultures are incompatible with the host. Hungary has offered in the past to take Christian migrants and has been angrily told by the EU that they must take non-Christians. Countries who won’t take migrants directly are to provide ‘temporary’ accommodation for those whose asylum claim has already been rejected, meaning in practice that they will never leave. A problem is that the migrants won’t stay in Eastern European countries because they have no welfare system, and Merkel has suggested that welfare across the EU must be ‘harmonised’. Guess who would be paying for that if we remained in the EU?

    • Cheshire Girl
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:38 am | Permalink

      Maybe so, but those Water Cannon would have come in really handy during the recent Demos. Also wasn’t it Theresa May who sold them?

      • Fred H
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

        no the wonderful Mayor of London.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:40 am | Permalink

      ….and then we have HS2 while our roads crumble.

    • RichardP
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:56 am | Permalink

      You forgot the famous Garden Bridge which wasted tens of millions.
      He’s got another grandiose bridge project on the horizon now.

      • DavidJ
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:19 am | Permalink

        …and it is being evaluated by some government crony with no engineering experience or qualification.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

      Certainly all the green crap he came out with yesterday was certainly pissing tax payers money down the drain and destroying/exporting jobs. He has not even cancelled HS2 yet despite Covid being the perfect excuse to change his mind!

    • Aden
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

      Work out the cost per bike.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

        About £17,500 per bike in use it seems!

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

      Of course Boris was always in favour of open borders. Still is.

  4. Iain Gill
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    meanwhile we just print uncapped work visas for tens of thousands of Indian nationals to fly in, with skills already massively in oversupply, and tax them far less than locals (eg first year in the UK is completely free of both employers & employees national insurance) so that they can undercut and displace locals from the workforce. then go on to give many of them indefinite leave to remain and British passports simply for working here a while. give their children free schooling. give their family free medical care regardless of pre existing conditions. while its very much harder for a Brit to get a work visa to India than it is for an Indian national to get a work visa here, and we certainly would not get tax perks or free schooling or medical care…

    • Will in Hampshire
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:53 am | Permalink

      Agreed. It’s madness.

    • Iain Moore
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:37 am | Permalink

      An uptick from me.

      Most British people who have worked abroad understand that a work visa is just that, a work visa tied to a company, it doesn’t give you free education, free health or any access to that nation’s public services, those you have to pay for, neither does it lead to being gifted a nationality. A right the British state doesn’t fight for its own citizens abroad it gives away like confetti to non British nationals here. At very least the British state should fight for reciprocity for their citizens working abroad, but in the twisted values of our establishment, they probably think it racist to fight for our people’s interests.

    • Christine
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:57 am | Permalink

      Exactly. We are being taken for fools by this Government. By watering down the original entry criteria the Government is allowing mass immigration on a scale not previously seen. EU migration targeted low skilled work, The Immigration Bill targets high skilled work. We need to train our own people before allowing more migrants into our overcrowded country.

      • rose
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:19 am | Permalink

        And still we have LBC presenters like Iain Dale telling us it is but a drop in the ocean. The political class are as potty and out of touch on this subject as they were on the EU. They had better wake up as this continuing preferential treatment for illegal immigrants over British people is political and social dynamite. Quite apart from the environmental folly.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:47 am | Permalink

      And they’re flying in illegal immigrants from Greece to bring families back together to rejoin their children! What sort of people are they to send their children alone, ahead to get bogus asylum claims. They should be arrested for child neglect, not rewarded with free everything at English taxpayers expense. Where is my free 4* Hotel, food and pocket money? Woke PC Tory’s. Scared to upset the left whilst out here in the real world we are fuming!

      • anon
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

        How do you know they are children?
        GIven they are illegal why should there be a presumption they are telling the truth?

        • rose
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:24 am | Permalink

          Of course they aren’t children. But our potty universities have advertised across the internet that “asylum seekers” will get free university tuition and other support. “Children” also go to the front of the queue for everything when it comes to illegal immigration. It is considered an enfringement on their human rights to test for age, but when it has been done, three quarters at least are adults. I don’t call a 17 year old a child anyway..

    • Mark
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:52 am | Permalink

      yes, this is a common theme in IT for past twenty years or more. The so-called shortage was/is really just a shortage of people willing to work for less.

      • Iain Gill
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

        yep, and not a single MP puts the case for the British workers in parliament

  5. Dave Andrews
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    How will the EU return migrants, when for us to try it, it violates their human rights? Won’t the EU fall foul of the ECHR?

    • Andy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:27 am | Permalink

      It only falls foul of the ECHR of we break human rights law. So the answer is simple. Don’t break the law.

      • a-tracy
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

        I thought you said we left Europe in January.

    • Roy Grainger
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:21 am | Permalink

      Not really our problem is it ?

      These economic migrants who cross the channel in boats – they are the ultimate Brexiters – hate France so much they put their lives at risk to escape and refuse to go back. And yet Andy and his chums are all in favour of these particular Eurosceptics. Odd.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:29 am | Permalink

      Why does the EU suddenly want to return migrants?
      I thought it “could cope”.
      What has changed?

    • I. Wragg
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:47 am | Permalink

      The ECHR is only for the UK. The EU will do as it pleases.
      As someone said, France thinks all the fish in the Channel are theirs but all the illegals are ours.
      Thats how the EU works.

      • I. Wragg
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

        Tell us John, why is your government flying in refugees from Greece when we have hundreds arriving daily.

    • a-tracy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:21 am | Permalink

      Malta turns back boat people now. Italy turns back boat people now.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:51 am | Permalink

      It does not violate their human rights at all unless they are being sent to a place where they may be subject to torture etc.

      Many are expelled or deported, quite properly, even though your reading material may not report that.

      • Fred H
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

        Many? – is that 1%? – maybe 5%? a majority 51%?
        Please define many and produce your reading matter evidence – not an EU rubbish allegation.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

        Like France?

    • Christine
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

      You don’t think they really want to return anyone. They just want to spread them out.

  6. Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    Do you remember when Neil Kinnoch was in charge of stamping out corruption in the EU during the dismissal of a whistleblower? Immigration into the EU is perhaps a similar problem. As to searching out illegals, you really can’t do this without an ID system – perhaps run by Baroness Dido Harding?

    PS. The very first thing you do when you are getting from your grotty home to England is to remove all traces of your origins. You cannot “return” people. Not only do they (at least the ones I met) have false names, they have also lost all forms of recognition – except their mobile phones.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

      They have DNA and with an adequate database their source Country could be identified. Either that Country allows their repatriation or no foreign aid. At the moment we get them, their extreme costs and foreign aid, plus others being flown in by the Government. The French need to be warned that excorting them instead of taking them back is deemed a hostile act. This Government is just a useless woke PC bunch who wont tackle the leftist establishment!

    • steve
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

      Mike Stallard

      “As to searching out illegals, you really can’t do this without an ID system ”

      Oh you can. You don’t need an ID system to know if someone shouldn’t be here.

    • Wrinkle
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

      What about their country speech and accents to identify origen?

  7. formula57
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Present legislation provides for but is not used to see ” the removal of illegals who do not qualify for asylum” so why the Home Secretary supposes new legislation will produce change in practice is unclear.

    It is to her “still not fit for purpose” Home Office rather than the law that Mrs. Patel needs to look perhaps.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

      Cheaper to remove them as they are wasting £4 billion of our taxes on them. Action not words are needed, like normal Countries e.g. Australia.

  8. matthu
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    OT.
    Only 12 Conservative MPs voted against the the six person rule.
    Peter Bone.
    Graham Brady.
    Philip Davies.
    Richard Drax.
    Philip Hollobone.
    Esther McVey.
    Merriman, Huw.
    Henry Smith.
    Desmond Swayne.
    Robert Syms.
    Charles Walker.
    William Wragg.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

      Very much On Topic I think!
      Why would not more of them vote against it?
      The whole thing is nuts!

      • Everhopeful
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

        Oh…Thread?
        Anyway…it is most appropriate.

    • Fred H
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

      you have to assume all the others think it works well?

    • Longinus
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

      No Steve Baker? Another fake libertarian Tory.

    • Bill B.
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

      I would vote for any of them. They are speaking for England.

  9. Lifelogic
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    If they know they will not be allowed to stay they will not come. It is very simple, but there is clearly no determined political will.

  10. Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Why spend any effort fighting people smugglers? That’s just window dressing. Focus on their lawbreaking customers.

    If we had an enforced Australia-type law (illegal entry means you will never have a right to stay) then the market for migrant-smuggling services would dry up. All that would be left is the much more limited slave/child/prostitute smuggling, which is the element our resources could be turned against more forcefully.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

      Dont buy the traffickers stuff. Need to look to left wing charity funding. How many could afford the fees? Tory’s will be toast if they don’t pull their fingers out. Who’d believe any of their promises after 14 years at the next election.

  11. Lynn Atkinson
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    When the Govt agencies ferry people over the channel are they not ‘people trafficking‘? Should the Home Secretary, who fails to defend our borders and who actually flies aliens to the U.K. not be sued?
    Crowd fund anyone?

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

      Go on then!
      I will donate.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

      Yes I’d fund that and sue her if anyone is killed by any of them as has happened several times in recent years. We have no clue who these predominantly young men are. Gross negligence would be a show in.

      • Timaction
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

        Shoe in

    • Mark B
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

      Lynn

      I said as much first thing this morning. Post was deleted.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

        Sometimes JR thinks a comment is an odd ball, Then many of us repeat it. This blog allows JR to have a great ear to the ground because most of us say what we think.

        • Fred H
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

          he clearly is not listening.

  12. The Prangwizard
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    And what are and where are the Home Secretary’s plans to STOP illegals from getting here in the first place. If she did that there would be little need for elaborate processes once they are here.Too cowardly, as is the whole government to do anything firm and speedy.

    As usual it’s a case of going for a soft option which sounds good but is virtually useless in addressing the real problem. Money goes into the pockets of grasping lawyers and the ordinary people, us, get poorer by the day.

  13. Caterpillar
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    On the topic of immigration more generally. I do not think the Patel and the Conservatives’ (and the Lords’) policy for uncapped, low wage work visas is particularly appropriate at this time of economic readjustment. As I have noted before the income cap is too low at the best of times if the country is to move forward in terms of GDP per capita, but at the current time, a time in which Mr Sunak wishes people to seek alternative work “opportunities”, then it is even more inappropriate and adds to the distance between of the current Government and reality.

    If people who are already (legally) in the U.K. are to recover from the devastation brought by Hancock and Sunak then I suggest two policies:

    1. No employment based immigration unless both the unemployment rate is under 3.5% and the labour participation rate is greater than 80%.
    2. Universal Basic Income, but a relaxation of the supply side constraints to employment.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

      4. A cap on numbers.
      5. All positions have been advertised in the UK first.
      6. Is there an opportunity to train British people for the role first?
      7. The jobs have to be limited by time.
      8. Cash deposit has to be provided and agreement to leave at the end of that contract.
      9. Properly costed contributions for all health, education and all public service provision to ensure they are not a burden to English tax payers. This should remove the low paid roles.

    • anon
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

      Its always been about cheap labour, supressing wages, growing the need for quango/charities , supplying revenue to human rights lawyers, supplying revenue to landlords, increasing dependency and control, destabilizing established countries communities.

      All those who favour high immigration usually are the gainers.
      The unemployed or or the precariat with limited savings are compressed by low insecure wages, expensive housing, a means tested benefit system which completely wipes anyone who may have been saving for a house deposit, if they suffer earned income loss.

      Meanwhile HMCG literally spray money on vested interests via illegal immigration.

      We need a UBI and and a target of zero immigration. £26k salary is much to low it should 80k plus. Thats where we need the replacements, the same people who thought 26k was a good idea.

      There are so many monopoly rackets that need to be exposed and broken up.

  14. Ian @Barkham
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    These economic migrants by a simple definition are illegal’s, as they bypass the formal channels. They are breaking laws and as such are criminals. The majority of the world rejects criminals

    The however is, these same illegals are blocking genuine asylum seekers in fear of their life finding refuge. As a result genuine asylum seekers are looked at as being criminals as well. That is the mockery of not acting.

    The flow will only be rebalanced when we adopt the same aggressive practices as the illegal’s and their trafficker’s do now in how they force their way in, by either sending them home or returning them to their last safe haven. It will upset some lawyers who are feeding the system and charging the taxpayer. Tough love, but the abuse and it is abuse needs to be rejected.

    Movement of People is Good, abusing People(their hosts) as these illegal’s are – should be rejected.

    We need to extract the UK from what some call Human Rights, its a nonsense preposition. Along with all namby pamby look at ME international egos spouting platitudes and ignored by the majority. They are meaningless because they haven’t been democratically introduced and they are not administered by a legally system that can hold them to account.

    English Law before the EU was a far superior in maintaining the correct balance for society.

    • Ian @Barkham
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:29 am | Permalink

      In essence what was called English Law allowed everything to be Legal unless the people through parliament made it illegal. That system allowed for checks and balances, revisions, corrections and the repeal of laws.

      By contrast in the EU among others, everything is illegal unless specifically permitted. Its one of those subtle difference that brings about a free democracy and one the HoC and its members should pursue on a daily basis.

  15. George Brooks.
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    That rotten bunch in the Brussels now realise that they have to do something about illegal immigration. Up until now they have relied on what could be described as the Calais safety valve whereby those illegals that manage to get to the Channel coast the French export to the UK.

    After Jan 1 they should all be returned and quickly!!

    • beresford
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

      The ‘rotten bunch in Brussels’ are not doing anything about illegal immigration, as I said elsewhere in this thread this is another attempt to force immigrants into the Eastern European countries against the wishes of their people. I believe Viktor Orban described it as managing migration rather than stopping it. Also being reported that the EU has declared laws in Hungary which hinder globalist ‘universities’ which promote stuff like Open Borders and Critical Race Theory’ to be against European law. The sooner Hungary leaves the Evil Union the better for its people.

      • rose
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:11 am | Permalink

        Mr Orban just ignores them when they are being like that. He doesn’t bother to answer back but is always polite. That is his EU policy and a good one for Hungary as they still get money while doing what suits them and increasing the Conservative majority. The EU often threatens to withold money from Hungary. When it does, they should leave.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

      Immigration is a sovereign matter for each of the member nations of the European Union.

      You would have been enraged if it were not, when the UK was one.

      So it is for the respective national governments, not for any “bunch in Brussels”.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

        John’s piece is about asylum, a special case of immigration on the other hand.

    • Andy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

      After January 1 you have no right to return any of them to any EU state. You left.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

        Of course we have! International law says they can be returned from whence they came. France for us then.

    • steve
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

      “After Jan 1 they should all be returned and quickly!!”

      But they won’t be because;

      1) We will not be fully leaving the EU

      2) Continued dumping of illegals into this country will be one of Boris’s capitulations to the french.

  16. Everhopeful
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Can anyone be blamed for feeling a bit sceptical about these plans?
    How many times have we been told that net migration will be cut?
    And all that has happened is escalation.
    Both official and unofficial.

  17. Sam Vara
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Fine words, but the public would like to see action. At the time of the Brexit vote, opinion polls showed that the most salient issue for British people was control of borders and immigration. How hard can it be?!

    • Lifelogic
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

      They are clearly not even trying and have no intention of doing so but want to sound tough. Too much opposition from charities, lawyers, the state sector, courts and others who so often make their living from this imigration.

  18. Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Illegal immigrants and the massive influx of immigrants to the EU and UK is a self created problem.

    If the UN had been worth it’s salt they would have created a safe environment in the middle east for immigrants – For example Saudi Arabia is huge but accepts no immigrants.
    Instead the UN creates treaties, which we being stupid sign up to – to not only take immigrants on a massive scale but also to give them priority and privileges.

    Merkel, who won the Charlemagne prize for her efforts in helping the Kalergi plan along to turn Europe into a mixed race culture is also a lead supporter of the UN NWO agenda — We ought to be able to see where this is all going… So why are the politicians unwilling to talk about the future they are taking us into?

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

      I reckon that the MPs have just abandoned us to our fate!

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

        So long as we know it’s in our hands and that the contract with Government is broken.
        Lots of problems very easily solved by direct action.

  19. Everhopeful
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    I believe that the House of Lords is busily engaged in defeating various measures aimed at trying to control immigration.

    • Timaction
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

      Urgent reform needed. Number down to non political appointments to max 150 from various specialist science and educated backgrounds. Costs reduced to real expenditure costs not allowance. A public service vocation not trough.

  20. Adam
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    The broken EU policy failed.
    Its border houses 446 million people in a square 4 million km sieve.
    Millions try to enter, many holely illegally.
    446 million people can build a secure place named Haven where every trafficker’s client can live and work happily with similar others, just as we do.
    Could 446 million people afford to rent somewhere safe and warm?

  21. No Longer Anonymous
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Brexit and the very long build up to Brexit was the people of a key member state telling the EU that its immigration policies weren’t working.

    The refugee crisis was caused by the policies of the Prime Ministers elected by the same people.

    Blair in Iraq and Cameron in Libya. They uncorked North Africa.

    I’m glad that I didn’t vote for either of them but feel pretty sure that our people didn’t want these actions to take place either.

    I’m ambivalent about why the EU ignored the Brexit immigration message and though I voted for Brexit have always understood that it was not the EU’s fault but our own in every way.

    It was a vote against our own “we know best” establishment when events have shown that clearly that they don’t know what they are doing – the exposure to the Chinese virus and the societal collapse in the face of it damning of the last sixty years of leadership.

  22. BJC
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Traffickers are exploiting out of date international laws relating to refugees. This skews the laws of the sea to provide a taxi service, whilst Human Rights laws have created an untouchable superclass of lawbreakers who turn up demanding automatic privileges, impoverishing the native population financially, culturally and environmentally.

    International treaties are agreed in good faith to provide the reference point for fast attitudinal and behavioural changes, but the modern world moves on apace creating new and greater problems, whilst treaties are fixed and provide limited solutions from a more predictable, slower-moving past. Look no further than the EU’s 20th century treaties!

    International laws on refugees introduced post-war, are now actively enabling widespread criminal activity and disingenuously permits authorities to treat illegal economic migrants as victims, not chancers. The plodding political class have been fearful of stepping up to the mark by introducing amendments to international law that would support lawful migration and also protect the law abiding; in effect, they’re colluding with the traffickers. Something different is certainly needed, but it’s not going to be political window dressing that simply covers up ongoing criminal activity. Ms Patel’s brave suggestion of transfer to Ascension Island was inspirational and would have immediately cut illegal migration to a controllable trickle. Yes, it’s expensive, but a fraction of the cost on our society of ever-increasing uncontrolled migration…………and, of course, it would aid Europe.

  23. Tabulazero
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    It’s quite telling that you spend more time dissecting the EU’s policy rather than the UK’s own policy.

    You won. You left. What happens on the continent is none of your business.

    However, what happens in the UK is.

    • graham1946
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

      It would be nice if the EU had the same sentiment – that what happens in the UK is none of their business.

      • Tabulazero
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 7:27 am | Permalink

        If the UK can freely sell into the Single-Market then things like state aid does matter for the EU.

        Why do you think the EU should accept that British companies pumped up with tax payer money get to undermine their continental rivals ?

        • Edward2
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

          They accept all other non EU nations policy on aid to their companies.
          And different taxation regimes.

          • Tabulazero
            Posted October 10, 2020 at 7:45 am | Permalink

            Those nations did not benefit from 40 years worth of integration inside the Single-Market. They sell far less than the UK inside the Single-Market.

            Why do the supporter of Brexit think that EU member states will let British companies undermine their own companies inside their own borders and do nothing about it ?

        • a-tracy
          Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:34 am | Permalink

          Why do British companies accept Southern Ireland in our common travel area are allowed to undercut our corporation tax rates?

    • Sir Joe Soap
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

      Except it seems to affect us that people are trying to escape your fortress to get to us. Very few refugees in boats leaving England for France I note.
      Just saying.

      • Tabulazero
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 7:29 am | Permalink

        Refugee boats leaving for England is also called “solving the problem for the people of Calais”.

        Good luck to the people of Dover.

      • Tabulazero
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 7:29 am | Permalink

        City bankers usually do not travel by refugee boat.

  24. Alan Jutson
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    I will believe it when I see it working.

    Too many past false promises I am afraid.

  25. Fred H
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Well Sir John, you had hundreds of arguments re- abandoning the Rule of Six – and asking the Government to think again. You are an MP and are expected to make a decision.

    Why did you not vote ? Does the rule work, or not? Try something else?

    • Everhopeful
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

      There has probably been a coup…no idea by whom but just WHO is ruling this country? The MPs have just given up. Apparently this always happens when there is an authoritarian takeover!
      They need to wake up and get their ***** into gear.
      Or are they all for what is going on?
      Don’t they see and hear the same as us when Boris rants?

  26. Jess
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Yes much harder for the EU to police it’s borders than the UK and yet we fail utterly. So more empty promises from the government over illegal immigrants whilst it has no problem locking it’s citizens up for a disease far less dangerous than flu.

  27. a-tracy
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    This government have failed on border protection. That people can rock up in rubber dingies carrying goodness knows what items that could cause harm among our population, without passport checks make a joke of us travelling around Europe these past forty years having to queue for passport checks and security checks we should have all just got the French facilitators and boat salesmen to let us run amok. Governments police the good and let the rogues run free.

    How much legal aid is spent on failed asylum claims?
    What are the UK costs of processing asylum claims?
    What % of people that fail asylum claims actually leave the UK?

    • Wrinkle
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

      A Palestinian claiment in Sweden failed many times and was asked to leave many times but he could not be flown out to Palestine (with $5000) as there was no recognised airport there and no surrounding country would take him. So he is still there for many years ‘living’ on the streets.

      • a-tracy
        Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:32 am | Permalink

        How did he get out of Palestine if there is no airport, can’t he just be taken back to the place he flew in from?

  28. BOF
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    OT.

    Sorry for digressing from your topic for today. This morning I heard a Minister saying in Parliament that the virus could spread ‘exponentially’ and no one took her to task to ask whether there is any evidence anywhere in the world that this virus or any other virus has spread exponentially. I do not believe there is and it is nothing but fear mongering.

    Perhaps in Government ‘exponential’ has a different meaning.

  29. john biggart
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Dear Sir John,
    A very interesting read.

    Slightly off subject; Dr. Margarite Griesz-Brisson MD, PhD is a Consultant Neurologist and Neurophysiologist with a PhD in Pharmacology, with special interest in neurotoxicology, environmental medicine, neurodegeneration and neuroplasticity. This is what she has to say about masks and their effects on our brains:

    ”To deprive a child’s or an adolescent’s brain from oxygen, or to restrict it in any way, is not only dangerous to their health, it is absolutely criminal. Oxygen deficiency inhibits the development of the brain, and the damage that has taken place as a result CANNOT be reversed.

    The child needs the brain to learn, and the brain needs oxygen to function. We don’t need a clinical study for that. This is simple, indisputable physiology. Conscious and purposely induced oxygen deficiency is an absolutely deliberate health hazard, and an absolute medical contraindication.

    An absolute medical contraindication in medicine means that this drug, this therapy, this method or measure should not be used – is not allowed to be used. To coerce an entire population to use an absolute medical contraindication by force, there must be definite and serious reasons for this, and the reasons must be presented to competent interdisciplinary and independent bodies to be verified and authorised.”

    She is obviously referring to face masks.

    Kind regargds,
    John Biggart

    full report – https://www.bitchute.com/video/Blzj0nJFEnpZ/

    • Sharon
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

      Exactly!

      And I know a number of people, including myself, who have come over warm and then felt light headed whilst wearing a mask. So for all those people wearing their mask with their nose out, it’s probably because they’re trying to breathe in some fresh air.

      And I noticed in the hospital earlier this week that staff were walking around with their masks hanging from one ear, only fixing them properly when they were near others.

      It makes sense for working up close to someone for a short period of time….

      It’s all a flipping joke wearing a mask so much.

  30. turboterrier
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    After their case has been considered. NO NO NO

    They are illegal they have broken the law and should be flown out on the next available flight.

    This is tax payers money they are playing shall want we with. When the dingy crews realise that the minute they land they are on a one way route to the airfield, when these people realise they are just wasting their money maybe they will think twice. If they dont they will be back in their own country or another one still in debt to the people smugglers.

    PRETTY Flamingo has got to haul her department kicking and screaming into the real world, our world of the 21st century.

    • graham1946
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

      They put them on coaches headed for 4 star hotels. Instead they should head for Dover and a ferry ride to France. Job done and a warning not to do it as it is a waste of money. Trouble is our government have no intention of controlling it.

  31. Christine
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    So newcomers get free housing but our own citizens have to continue to live with their parents or on the streets?

  32. Nigl
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Ps I now see that the government is delaying airport testing plans despite airports are close to being ready to go.

    Can this government do anything speedily and efficiently. The answer to date is, not often.

  33. glen cullen
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Its all talk – by the time any action is taken, it will probably be a waste of time as there will be no illegals to stop…. as they’ll have all arrived

  34. acorn
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    So JR,where were you for the debate and division on the (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) (Amendment) (No. 4) Regulations S.I 2020-986 ?

    The HoC was so keen on taking back control over C19 Regulations, that only 304 bothered to vote; AND, only 12 of the Brady Bunch plus 5 DUP voted against it.

    At a a cost to the public purse of circa £300,000 per HoC sitting hour, I judge that poor value for money!!!

    Reply I was in my office at Westminster and will write about it tomorrow.

    • Fred H
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

      your excuse might be illuminating.

    • beresford
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

      When my local chippie re-opened it was with a perspex screen along the counter and a limit of two customers in the shop at a time. Then the government said those two customers had to wear facemasks. Today the proprietor had a plastic visor open at top and bottom that does nothing. When asked he said he was ‘raided’ on Saturday by four policemen who said he had to wear the visor or be fined £10000. You try getting the police to turn out if you are burgled. If there was a general election tomorrow, who would you vote for to end this nonsense?

  35. Mr Timothy Hopkins
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Every government we have had,has always dodged the issue when it comes to immigration.

  36. Jack Falstaff
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    What provision has the EU made for cases where the country of origin rejects the return of migrants or, as Dave Andrews touches on, it is clear that such unfortunates might be tortured, murdered or have their human rights violated upon returning home?
    Where should people who fall into these categories be housed while their case is reviewed?
    Does the EU have specific solutions planned for these eventualities or should we expect another wearisome and empty joint statement on “agreeing on the need to bla, bla…” yet again?

  37. Sharon
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    And Priti Patel proudly announced 28 family members of asylum seekers, were reunited. I hope these were genuine applicants and not illegal entrants. We can’t take in the whole world, no matter their awful situation. And as we have filled so much because of illegals snatching a place and leaving fewer places for the genuine.

    The number of people sneaking in goes unabated. And whatever measures are put in place seems not to change a thing!

  38. Mike Wilson
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    So, now the EU thinks it is its job to force member countries to accept migrants not just from the EU but from anywhere round the world. The EU seems to think it is a supra government with power to compel the governments of member countries to do what it tells them with, of course, no democratic accountability.

    To the Andy and Martins of this world, this is precisely why we voted to leave. And if there are economic consequences it will be a price worth paying and it will be a deliberate act by the EU. They are a power mad organisation that cannot allow a member country to escape unscathed. Why? Because if we leave and it doesn’t hurt, other net contributors will leave too.

    Now, more than at any time during this process, I am convinced we have literally saved our country and it’s democracy by voting to leave.

    If we end up with lorry parks in Kent, I don’t care. We will have to become less dependent on trade with the EU. Another win given the balance of trade deficit with the EU.

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:45 am | Permalink

      its democracy – not – it’s democracy. Pesky auto correct cannot its as a possessive pronoun.

      • Andy
        Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

        You voted leave because of foreigners? Wowzer. Tell me something I didn’t know. It’s just a shame so many of you have spent four years pretending otherwise.

        Because, and here’s the amusing thing, Brexit will not help you solve your foreigner problem. In fact, it will make it worse.

        Young people don’t care about foreigners. This is why they will undo Brexit – because the price which is acceptable to you is not acceptable to them. Perhaps you should just stop caring about foreigners too?

        • Edward2
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

          I realise you want open borders Andy.
          But the majority do not agree that this is a good policy.
          You do accept the wishes of a majority dont you?

  39. JoolsB
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    John, off topic, but on the third time of asking, why do you think it is acceptable that the DUP, SNP and other MPs with non-English seats were allowed to vote on the rule of six for England last night? With respect isn’t it time you changed your blog title and took out the ‘speaking for England bit’. Your party are an absolute disgrace, there by the grace of England but constantly sticking two fingers up to them and allowing this affront to democracy to carry on. You should all hang your heads in shame.

    • Andy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

      What a silly post. The Conservative Party – a party only of England – has a big majority UK wide despite wining a minority of the vote.

      This is how it able to impose Tory Brexit on Scotland and Northern Ireland – neither of who want it.

      On a plus side, for you, imposing your Brexit guarantees votes for both Scottish independence and Irish reunification within a decade or two. So your Little England dream will soon become a reality.

      • Fred H
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:15 am | Permalink

        what a silly post – everything points to the party being a party of the EU!

      • JoolsB
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:33 am | Permalink

        It is your comments which are silly Andy – as usual. If you believe in any way that the Tory party, yes there by the grace of England, represent England in any way, let alone stand up for it, then you are even more deluded than most on here already think.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

      Because it takes a Constitutional alteration to stop all MPs in Westminster voting on all issues. Why are you not demanding that London MPs lose their vote on country issues because they have a London Assembly?

  40. gyges
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Academics are talking about Immigration As A Weapon … the cite Turkey’s use and abuse of refugees during negotiations with the EU. Do you think the EU is using a similar approach to the UK?

  41. Everhopeful
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    And who precisely gave Boris Johnson the mandate to reform our system of government?Kindly inform him that we DO want to return to normal!
    All the devastation has been caused by HIM…NOT by any plague!!

    • Sharon
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

      +1

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

      +1

  42. Andy
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    So Swiss pharmaceutical giant Roche is having problems supplying testing kits in the UK – not only COVID kits, but blood tests, tests for cancer, hepatitis and so on.

    Why are they having problems? They had to build a new warehouse in Sussex to prepare for Tory pensioner Brexit and it went a bit wrong.

    Imagine if any of the Tory pensioners who voted for Brexit miss out on tests that they need? Awkward.

    Many of the UKs Covid deaths can be blamed on Tory Brexit – the PM and his minions were too busy waving flags in January and February to notice coming. But now we might have deaths directly related to Tory Brexit.

    It is inevitable we will at some point I wonder who’ll be first?

    • Ed M
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

      ‘Many of the UKs Covid deaths can be blamed on Tory Brexit’

      – Then who do we vote for? Would any of the other parties have done a better job? Would:

      The centrist Labour who supported Mr Blair in tricking the country to go to war in Iraq?
      The socialist Labour under Jeremy Corbyn who haven’t grown up and think money grows on trees to pay for all the public services?
      Liberal Democrats who can be wishy washy and wet from one degree to another and don’t have a realistic chance of getting into power.

      Most people aren’t in love with Boris but believe he’ll do a better job than the above (although Sir Keir Starmer came up with a corker of a snapshot manifesto by focusing on Family + Patriotism – two core Conservative Values! Whether he can back up what he says / able to get intelligent and loyal enough people into the Labour party to support him is yet to be seen).

      • rose
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:55 am | Permalink

        I think we can all see Sir Forensic Hindsight will say anything to get on. In the last couple of days for example, he has said he supports the Rule of Six, yet he and all his cohorts abstained in the vote. Then the morning after, he said he supported it again. That is only one example of how he is going to operate. As a lawyer, even if a failed one, he is trained to do just that.

    • JohnK
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

      Andy,

      I thought you would be happy that the evil Brexit voting pensioners will die? Cheer up man.

    • Ed M
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

      @Andy,

      Also, by supporting the EU so much and in the way you do you are undermining (British) Patriotism which, according to BOTH Greco-Roman and traditional Christianity is a VIRTUE.

      I am talking about Patriotism now not Nationalism which is a heresy (nationalism is based on thinking you’re superior to another country – where as patriotism is just loving your country similar to how you love your family and respect yourself for being sovereign and free – not because you think your family is superior to others or because you think you’re superior to other individuals – but just because of who they are and who you are as an individual).

      You can debate how / when leaving the EU is a good thing or not (as the ends don’t justify the means) but that is different to whether we should leave the EU or not.

      Lastly, having close relations with our geographical neighbours is a really good thing for reasons of trade, culture and security – but not in a way that undermines sovereignty. Sovereignty is key, whether the sovereignty and freedom of an individual, family or country.

      • rose
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:51 am | Permalink

        Nationalism just means a belief in the nation, any nation, as opposed to giant blocs like the EU and the USSR. De Gaulle was the archetypal nationalist. He wanted Une Europe des Patries. Nationalism is demonised by people who want to dissolve the nations.

        • Ed M
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

          @Rose,

          Whatever nationalism meant, its meaning was ruined when it was commandeered by the Nazis. With their nationalism based on arrogance.

          Rather than the nation, it’s ultimately about The Fatherland – about love of country but not thinking one superior to others.

          Churchill was a PATRIOT – not a nationalist.

          Lastly, patriotism is Greco-Roman / Judaeo-Christian in origin – where the Fatherland is an extension of love of family and love of the value of the individual.

    • Richard1
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

      How can there be a big successful Pharma Co in Switzerland when Switzerland isn’t in the EU? Two in fact. And many other successful companies. And there is no debate in Switzerland about joining or significant support for doing so. Or in Norway. Despite the fact that neither country has a particularly good deal.

      It’ll be like that in the U.K. in a couple of years whether there’s a deal or not. Prosperous and successful but no big debate about joining the EU.

      V few deaths in Japan Or Taiwan I see. Although they aren’t in the EU. But problems in Spain despite being in the EU. It’s awfully confusing.

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

      I know it is a bit tricky for you to understand, but not everyone who voted for Brexit votes Tory. I vote Green. Let’s call it a Green Brexit. So much less cross channel trade. More food grown here. Less food miles. More things made here. Less goods miles. It’s all looking good. The Tory Party have made a dog’s breakfast of Brexit.

    • rose
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

      Don’t be absurd, it was remainers who left us with a testing capacity of 2,000 per day. Now it is 310,000, rising soon to 500,000. If it were socialists in charge, as in Scotland and Wales, the capacity would still not have risen. Only NI and England have forged ahead in this area.

      Of course the system is being overwhelmed, because the population is far too big – remainers’ legacy again – and children and students are being tested which is ridiculous. They don’t have symptoms on the whole, and the test is just a snapshot in time, out of date already on the way home. If something is free, ti isn’t very long before demand outstrips supply. Other countries don’t provide healthcare free at the point of use for the whole world.

  43. Rhoddas
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    UK appears unable to stop illegals arriving. Why?
    UK also appears unable to send them back. Why?
    Tories won the election on such key voter topics as “Controlling Immigration & Borders”
    December will be the 1st year ‘appraisal’ of HMG performance, how does it look so far readers?
    People don’t want excuses, they just want execution of the manifesto. Time and voter patience is running out with Priti’s Home Office and Border Farce.

    P.S. Norway has a fishing police force to ensure trawlers are catching what/where they are permitted. Where is our equivalent? Relevant laws and policing will be needed for certain – paid for by the licence fees from foreign trawlers.

    • agricola
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

      While we are hobbled by the ECHR and the House of Commons that is full of lawyers I see no way of dealing with illegal immigration. The law is geared to them remaining and the legal profession are making a fortune out of blocking their expulsion.

      If Priti Patel is true to her word and does not get undermined by lawyers in the HoC we should abandon the ECHR and replace it with a legal framework which cannot be subverted. The test of this will begin on 1st January 2021. If it removes all economic migrants and illegals who exist below the parapet it will be seen to be effective. I would also include the potential 2000 terrorists that have to be monitored by MI5, all convicted criminals above an agreed level of crime both in and post prison. For this to be effective we need an absolutely watertight system of individual identification. Some will consider it Orwellian, but I would argue that the situation demands it. Between the NHS, the DVLA, Bank Cards, Store Cards, and Criminal Records we already have such in a fragmented hotchpoch of information. Why not tidy it up with an ID card. Let the police issue it following presentation of a string of relevant documents. Other government bodies cannot be trusted following the ease with which NI numbers can be obtained.

      Then PP will have done the country a great service.

    • steve
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

      Rhoddass

      “….. how does it look so far readers?”

      NOT GOOD !

      Solution is simple : Just don’t vote conservative. Give the traitors the bum’s rush at the next general election (assuming they survive that long) and never vote for them again.

  44. Barbara
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Not that ‘difficult’ for the EU if they just carry on ushering them all through westward to France, who then send them across to us.

    The current Dublin regs could remain, if the EU ensured Spain, Italy and Greece processed the illegals properly and despatched them immediately. Instead, we all know that govts both national and supra national are too incompetent/PC/corrupt/pusillanimous to do anything effective about it.

    It does not matter how much you talk and pass laws and shuffle the regs around, if no-one in power and their henchmen actually apply the law.

    ‘Asylum seeker’ is now code for ‘anybody who wants to come’.

  45. hefner
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    O/T At the end of August the Government announced plans to have 30m UK people vaccinated against common flu. Being over 65, I thought it should be straightforward and waited till mid-September to act. Originally my GP practice told me they had not received the vaccine yet and to see whether I could get one privately from a pharmacy. For more than a week now I have been contacting a number of pharmacies in the Reading-Wokingham area asking whether they have any such vaccine. They don’t or do not anymore. When contacted NHS111 referred me to my GP practice who told me to enquire with local pharmacies …
    My local GP practice does not have nor is expected to have a waiting list for such a routine flu shot. The receptionist told me to keep calling every week to check how the situation might evolve.

    • Mary M.
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

      @hefner. Continuing off-topic, is it wise to rush to have the flu vaccine before more research has been done? View this lack of vaccine as a blessing in disguise.

      A study published in the journal ‘Vaccine’ entitled ‘Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season’, suggests that influenza vaccination may increase the risk of infection from other respiratory viruses. This is called ‘virus interference’. Covid-19 is a respiratory virus. (The journal ‘Vaccine’ is a peer-reviewed medical journal published by Elsevier.)
      This winter, why not let your immune system do the job it was designed for?

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

      You are better off without it.

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

      My GP practice sent me a text asking me to book in for the flu vaccination – or reply with the word Decline.

      • Fred H
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:13 am | Permalink

        they communicated with you? – – so there is somebody there!
        Or was it a robot?

  46. Ian @Barkham
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Once more an un-elected un-represented rabble get to block the will of the People.

    How long can this be allowed in to carry on in a Sovereign Free Democracy in the modern World. The upper house should be elected by the People, there is no other honest way forward.

    The US population 350million plus, upper house 100 elected participants. UK pop 67 million 811 people unrepresented, unelectable, that show their disrespect for democracy and the Peoples of this Country at every chance afforded to them.

    It has to end.

    • anon
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

      Reduce the numbers and the time they can delay matters and revise the nature of the H o C so it clearly accepts the will of the lower house at the start and merely refines bills consistent with the will of the lower house.

      Any blocking members votes should be recorded and they should be subject to a review and vote by a representative sample or jury of the public as to whether the members should be removed from the H o L.

  47. Martin
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Northern Ireland has a land frontier.

  48. Aden
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Lots of talk. Still no results. Tens of thousands have illegally entered the UK.
    Well over a million are here illegally.

    it’s results that matter, and so far there haven’t been any.

    Here’s a simple test for you John. Ring up the Home office on the public number and ask to be put through to the complaints department. See how far you get.

  49. Fred H
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Nicola does it again:
    All pubs and restaurants across central Scotland are to be closed under new measures aimed at tackling a surge in coronavirus cases. The new rules will apply to licensed premises across the central belt, including Glasgow and Edinburgh. In other areas, they will be able to open – but can only serve alcohol outdoors. The new rules come into force at 18:00 on Friday, and will be in place until 25 October.

    A decision we should take in many areas of England and Wales, and Abandon Rule of 6.

    • a-tracy
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

      It’ll be in England the following week.

      • glen cullen
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

        Sooner than what you think

        • a-tracy
          Posted October 9, 2020 at 10:30 am | Permalink

          I’ve had enough glen.
          We let thousands and thousands of people go back into the covid ridden holiday destinations then get surprised when people in the UK recirculate it. All these teachers worrying about kids in their class how many of them were abroad in the last two weeks of August and then got on planes – do they really think a mask protected them then!

    • beresford
      Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

      Why have we got to close pubs when scientific evidence points to the main vectors of infection being elsewhere? It seems that some folk want to prohibit any activity in which they don’t indulge.

      • Fred H
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:11 am | Permalink

        the infection transmission being where?

  50. Posted October 7, 2020 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Please remind Boris that the LSE is a socialist enclave, and has never supported BREXIT

    A WTO exit certainly will not cost 3x coronavirus – this is pure speculation…!

  51. Freeborn John
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Why is the U.K. climbing down on committing to stay permanently in the ECHR? Nobody voted for a Security relationship with the EU and certainly not one that binds is in perpetuity to the politicians in red robes at the ECHR.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/07/boris-johnson-set-to-make-compromise-on-human-rights-act-eu-sources

    • glen cullen
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:00 am | Permalink

      +1

  52. glen cullen
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Did I read correctly that our EU negotiation team have agreed that people from the EU can use our NHS for free but we have to have medical insurance while in Europe

    • graham1946
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:35 am | Permalink

      Sounds about right with our stupid lot in Parliament I would not be surprised.

      Anyway anyone visiting Europe needs Insurance regardless, relying on EHIC was always foolhardy. If you get something minor it may be o.k. but what if you have a catastrophic accident and need to be repatriated? It would be your personal cost and could be tens of thousands of pounds. All for what, saving 50 quid or so?

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

      Oh that’s OK. We effectively don’t have a NHS. Boris killed it.

      • Fred H
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

        agreed – and I claim my tax refund that used to pay for it.

  53. Elli Ron
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    The EU is paying ransom money, in the many billions, to Turkey and Libya to preven an avalanche of refugees pouring over the borders of the EU.
    Apart from the money, this is a political gun which Turkey holds to the EU’s head, this is a very unstable president and country, depending on them is a desperate act.

    • rose
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:33 am | Permalink

      Most of the money is ours, agreed by David Cameron, but Frau Merkel did not pay the full amount to the Turks which had been agreed. The Turks, a very generous people, took in 3 million genuine refugees, on whose behalf we agreed to pay for their accommodation, education, food etc, and healthcare. It worked well, with the Turkish camps attaining a higher standard than elsewhere. The Turks have continued to take in genuine refugees and now have well over 4 million.

      It is generally agreed by people who know, that it is better to keep refugees in their own region until they can go home. If they are transplanted to North America and Northern Europe – and it will be the better off, better educated, more ambitious and organized ones who go – then they are very unlikely to go home to rebuild the country when the time comes.

      Think to yourself: what would have happened if all our fathers and grandfathers had run away to America in 1939 and 1914, never to return.

    • Mitchel
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:50 am | Permalink

      The West generally,not just the EU,is acting out the last years of the Western Roman Empire.Sounds glib but the similarities are striking.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

      Danegeld. You never get rid of the Dane.

  54. Alan Paul Joyce
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Redwood,

    A 3-year transition period concession offered to the EU on fishing.
    Probably signing up for the ECHR (yes I know the court is a different legal system to that of the EU).
    A hinted British concession over subsidy law.
    A suggested delay past the PM’s October 15th deadline.

    Can anyone spot a trend here?
    Did someone once say “You can’t trust a Tory!”

    • rose
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

      I noticed the PM listed three things yesterday we would be coming out of the EU with, but our fish wasn’t one of them. I do hope Sir John will press him hard on this and emphasise we cannot be betrayed twice.

      Too often the young men in London say,”Oh fish is a tiny part of our GDP, how can you justify…etc.” Well of course they are a tiny part, because they were given away. But our fishing grounds don’t provide a tiny part of the EU’s GDP or they wouldn’t be fighting so hard for them.

      • margaret howard
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

        rose

        ” Well of course they are a tiny part, because they were given away.”

        No, they weren’t ‘given away’!

        Many of your fishermen flogged their allocations to the highest bidder for a quick profit. Spain apparently bought many of them. You can’t ask for something back once you’ve sold it.

        • Edward2
          Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

          Oh not that ridiculous propaganda again.
          If your allocated imposed quota was so poor you could not survive what would you have done?

    • glen cullen
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

      and free NHS to europeans

  55. Derek
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    It’s way past time that we Brits, enforced a policy that demanded the i/d and approved Visa of ANYONE attempting to enter OUR country. No i/d or no Visa = NO ENTRY and immediate deportation back to where ever they arrived from. If not known and refused WE send them back to France if the crossed the Channel and to a remote island off the North of Scotland to fend for themselves with Army 24 hour ration packs. and tents. Let them keep their iPhones to call for help from their people Traffickers.
    This country is FULL and over-loaded with foreign Free loaders.

  56. Sea_Warrior
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    I’m currently on my fourth membership of the Conservative Party – but if it doesn’t sort out immigration, the destruction of the countryside, and the insane attachment to Green propaganda then I shan’t bother to renew.

    • The Prangwizard
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

      It won’t. You delude yourself. Act now.

    • Fred H
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:10 am | Permalink

      Transport, HS2, Electric vehicles, Nuclear power, Agriculture, UN membership, China relations, Hof L, Hof C size, NHS failures – happy with that lot?

  57. a bad dream
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Please admit the plan is to close pubs like in the soviet union.

  58. Yossarion
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    With a reported 60,000 illegals in centers I would not worry about the EU, worry why your Party has continually failed to deport these People. its like gate crashing a Party repeatedly being told you are not wanted and still staying and taking the piss.

  59. UKQanon
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    People, If Trump does not win his election this ALL irrelevant as the US Deep State and the UK Establishment win. They are not interested in the people only power and control.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

      Trump will win ‘big’ as our Yankee cousins say.

  60. Will in Hampshire
    Posted October 7, 2020 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    If there’s any central idea to Brexit, it’s that the country isn’t open to any more immigration. Foreigners need to be kept out of the United Kingdom if the many economic challenges ahead are to be overcome. Hopefully the Government will implement measures to achieve this.

  61. XYXY
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    It’s difficult to see how they can “contribute to housing” someone whose rights will include freedom of movement across all EU countries.

    Once they are up and running in the EU, they can flit off to the best welfare setup they can find.

    The whole EU structure is built on sand.

  62. mancunius
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    At least the EU has the excuse that the borders are so long, migrants can easily slip in unnoticed. We have no such excuse – on the contrary, the dinghy arrivals are known, witnessed, sometimes even escorted to shore and the migrants bussed to secure accommodation instead of being immediately returned to the French coast.

    How on earth are we to make any provision to repel or return them, if the government is determined not to resile from the ECHR – as Lord Frost has ‘assured’ the EU we shall not?
    The EU could easily exploit human rights plus EU legislation to waft further waves of economic migrants from Africa/Asia to our shores. Can the government really not see that?

    We should tell the EU that we may in future alter or abrogate HR legislation and/or treaties, but we shall inform them when we are doing so. We are certainly not planning to vacuum up the illegal migrants and use them as cheap industrial labour – as has already happened in certain EU countries, particularly the ones who most egregiously breached the Treaty of Dublin in 2015, such as Germany.

  63. Lindsay McDougall
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    The EU has another problem – what should its common immigration policy be? Should it be that of Angela Merkel, who admitted 1.1 million Moslems to Germany in 2015, or that of Victor Orban, who doesn’t want to admit any Moslem immigrants at all. That conflict cannot be resolved as long as the EU insists on freedom of movement within its borders.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted October 8, 2020 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

      The Lisbon Treaty does not cover immigration. It is a sovereign national matter.

      John’s post relates to another agreement, the Dublin one, which is about refugees and asylum seekers.

      It has not been satisfactory, and better arrangements are needed, but immigration per se will remain a sovereign matter for member nations. So the European Union will not have a “common immigration policy” in the foreseeable future.

      • Original Richard
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

        Copied from the European Parliament website :

        “The Lisbon Treaty, which entered into force in December 2009 (1.1.5), introduced qualified majority voting on regular immigration and a new legal basis for integration measures. The ordinary legislative procedure now applies to policies on both irregular and regular immigration, making Parliament a co-legislator on an equal footing with the Council.

        The provisional measures to be taken in the event of a sudden inflow of third-country nationals are adopted by the Council alone, however, after consulting Parliament (Article 78(3) TFEU).

        The Lisbon Treaty also made it clear that the EU shares competence in this field with the Member States, in particular as regards the number of migrants allowed to enter a Member State to seek work (Article 79(5) TFEU). Finally, the Court of Justice now has full jurisdiction in the field of immigration and asylum.”

      • Edward2
        Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

        One of the four freedoms of the EU is freedom of movement.
        Anyone who gets into the EU can get into the UK.
        You know this Martin.
        You support this policy.
        Yet you deny it exists.
        Why?

  64. rose
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    It seems the EU has a more realistic attitude to illegal immigrants, if not what to do about them. We, on the other hand, are still having to pretend illegal immigrants are innocent, while only the smugglers are guilty, guilty of exploiting vulnerable people. The vulnerable people tend to be rather well off, very fit, well fed young men who know exactly what to do to make a mockery of our generosity and high mindedness, let alone our out of date laws; and who all too often don’t show gratitude but rather hostility and criminality. When is this foolish pretence going to be dropped? You might find that in the vulnerability leagues, the smugglers rank lower.

  65. DavidJ
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    What does government not understand about our sovereignty that it seems willing to dilute or compromise it? Time that we had robust Treason and Sedition law to deal with the transgressors.

  66. Original Richard
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. Merkel’s immigration policy as outlined at the Konrad Adenauer Foundation in Berlin 21/11/2018 :

    “Sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.”

  67. Diane
    Posted October 8, 2020 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    How do you legislate to ensure traffickers are caught. Armed, UK undercover operatives on the other side of the channel and its beaches with powers of arrest and prosecution desirable. Am being flippant but when inclement weather seems to be the only defence, or that’s how it feels, then any initiative is welcome & to be fair, Priti Patel’s job is hampered from every angle.
    The EU’s proposals are still vague and require fleshing out & yes whilst it’s meant to remain a sovereign matter there are multiple directives, conditions, regulations, frameworks and oversight bodies which will still put pressure on individual member states in the Commission’s stated objective of ‘solidarity’ so the one size fits all issue still lurks. A reader made mention of the fairly recent arrivals ( legally ) of children/migrants from Greece. This will I believe have taken place under our recent bilateral agreement with Greece on the Control of Irregular Migration presided over by the UK Immigration Minister Mr Philp and Greece’s Alternate Migration & Asylum Minister, signed & sealed in mid to late April 2020. “The strategic plan provides for the reallocation of unaccompanied minors from Greece to the UK & the reunification of refugee children with any relatives who are already in the UK” ( Source: Greek Reporter in April / nothing much about it at the time in the UK press from what I recall) Also noted was that ” the Greek Coastguard will also stage joint search and rescue operations in the Aegean Sea with the UK’s Border Force”

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