The government won its motion to impose an English national lock down from tomorrow by 516 to 38 votes. Labour supported the government. It was mainly Conservatives voting against with some DUP MPs. Clearly there were numerous abstentions or absences on what was a most important vote. I voted against, as the government did not amend the Regulations in ways suggested to reduce the damage to jobs and social life. Most of the speakers were Conservative, with many asking for amendments to the rules, seeking better data and asking for an exit plan even where they were voting for the motion.
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November 4, 2020
House Arrest – hardship, misery and punishment. The crime, the evidence? Not one iota, just a way of saying we are the law you do as we say.
We are all in this together. Together we can achieve. Not in this life time, just obey the bullies and keep paying their servitude taxes.
November 5, 2020
too many non English MP’s voting on what is a purely English matter.
November 5, 2020
JR, could you confirm that English MPs have no say over Sturgeon or Drakeford to shut down N. Ireland, Scotland and Wales. But their nations MPs vote to shut down England!
Please confirm so we can see how rotten your party and Govt. Is.
November 5, 2020
This is where we should be writing to our MPs to complain but as they stand by and say & do nothing whilst these meddling unelected politicians have their say, whatâs the point. Theyâre as bad as one another. The Westminster gravy train is far more important to them than fairness for England. The best thing is to stop voting for the anti English Con/Lab/Lib Dum parties.
November 5, 2020
its the system the labour party designed…
November 6, 2020
True but the Conservatives have been in power for 10 years and done absolutely nothing to correct the democratic deficit which exists inEngland except to try and fob us off with the meaningless sop EVEL.
November 5, 2020
JR, it is reported 232 hospitals are totally clear of Chinese virus. Plus Nightingale hospitals. Is Johnson poorly informed or is he lying?
Scaring people to coerce them to comply is an old psychological trick. Is Witty and Valance engaged in this? Same for Simon Stevens?
November 5, 2020
Stevens claiming that 22 hospitals would be full of COVID patients without putting the figure in the context of the total number of hospitals…
zorro
November 5, 2020
One of the best speeches was from Conservative MP Phil Davies who suggested that smug Hancock wouldnât be so quick to want to shut the economy down if it meant a cut in his own Ministerial salary. This is the problem. the ones destroying businesses, jobs and livelihoods are the very ones who are still enjoying 100% salaries and job security.
November 5, 2020
+1
November 4, 2020
This second lockdown of 25% of the economy is death to a large proportion of the wealth generating sector. But at this point itâs an irrelevance, because we stand to lose much more.
As for elections, this is how a count is run:
1. All ballots are counted without being sorted, upside down. This number must tally with the number of ballots cast recorded in voting stations. And the final result must tally with this critical number.
2. The votes are sorted.
3. They are bundled into 10.
4. The bundles are counted.
As President Trump says, you canât start a Count without knowing how many ballots have been cast because adding an additional 170k at 3.00am as an afterthought gives rise to questions about the validity of the count.
That is exactly what happened in the Welsh assembly Referendum. Ballot boxes âfoundâ and added at the last minute.
If the US election is stolen from Trump, the western civilized world will be stolen from us all because we did not cherish Democracy and gave votes to any passing asylum seeker, until they manage to out wit us and gerrymander election counts.
Iâm truly fearful for the first time in my life.
November 4, 2020
In Michigan there are 3,129,000 registered voters. They have declared 3,239,920 cast ballots.
This is fraud and people should be jailed for life for trying to steal the country from the Sovereigns – the legitimate electorate.
November 5, 2020
You are repeating unverified claims and making libellous accusations against the hard working staff counting the votes, despite intimidation from armed militias in some cases.
I would expect literally nothing else from you though.
November 5, 2020
You are Joe Biden and I claim my $2m.
November 5, 2020
It isnt libellous.
Don’t be silly.
No one has been named.
November 5, 2020
Sorry, this was Wisconsin. The number on the voters roll is in the public domain. The number of ballots counted has been declared. The fraudsters need to be held to account. Votes have been found in the name of dead people and illegal aliens. I have no doubt that the dead people and illegal aliens did not vote, but their names and addresses were used by others to fill in votes in their name. This is state corruption, not party corruption. Has anybody ever seen a voting box opened and ALL the votes for one party?
November 5, 2020
Stop crying
zorro
November 5, 2020
Lynn, one way to resolve this is to take Michigan as a proof/evidence space for the validity of postal ballots.
Re-run the ballot in that area, bring in reinforcements from out of the State if necessary, open up polling stations in every local school, vote in person over two days.
Voter fraud by post can be done by the head of a family filling in everyoneâs form as was alleged in Peterborough UK âjust sign here Iâve put your X in and got the form ready for youâ.
An outside influencer assisting people to fill out the form and posting it for them if the vote went the way they wanted it to and binning/burning the others.
Take a care home perfect for bagging 30 votes by deception, easily pressured or influenced âIâll fill in the form for you and get the envelopes ready and you just sign hereâ. News hounds keep saying where is your evidence well how can you get evidence if you donât re-run with a different method of receiving the vote.
It does seem very odd when you hear that 100% of the postal votes in some boxes were just one way. That sort of thing does need to be investigating to clear up the accusation one way or another, a whole set of boxed votes tested out in person voting only extend the opening times of the polling station if necessary.
November 5, 2020
Thank you Lynn.
Just goes to show, any form of corruption by the ruling class just breeds further corruption. I wonder if the Worlds Political rulers understand the meaning of a real democracy, or are they so wound up in their own distorted egos they have misplaced the ideal of ‘serving’
November 4, 2020
It looks like Parliament’s opinion parallels the public’s, according to polls.
Once again, I urge people to look at countries – and there are plenty – which are not in the same mess as is the UK, and to try to discover why this is.
November 5, 2020
See today’s blog re polls.
They are rarely correct as dissenting views are discouraged and viewed with disdain in polite society. If views can not be expressed they can not be counted
Ye reap as ye sow
November 5, 2020
Perhaps Martin its because these Brits that you say want, by a massive %, to lockdown talk out of both sides of their mouths, yesterday in Town every restaurant and cafe was packed out, queues outside the shops, every hairdresser and barbers was full I was told their phones were ringing off the hook, not the actions of a group of terrified lock-downers is it?
Liverpool and Wales locked down but many of the residents went outside the area to shop a quick check on their debit credit cards will show you isnât that why the government wanted everyone off cash so they could check up on every movement. Its all the small stores without cheap delivery methods for on-line orders and returns I feel heartbroken for, their Christmas trade gone as the majority shop online, the most profitable time of the year binned for them in order to save our European summer holiday season, spreading a virus hidden and growing from June in Spain (one of your more successful Countries? Spain, France?
The irony today of China blocking incoming flights from the UK, exactly what people like me were calling for back in March – lock down flights from China for everyone other than British citizens who should have gone straight into a fortnights hotel quarantine.
November 5, 2020
I agree Martin. We are thinking of moving to China. I lived there for three and half years a long time ago (although they did call it Hong Kong back then).
There are a few minor downsides (apparently they shoot Students and lock up ethnic minorities) but the wife finished her OU course some years ago and there’s nothing very ethnic about her that I can tell, so this probably won’t be a problem for us. On the plus side, the Chinese are very respectful of their older population, which will be a nice change after some of the posts you read here.
I’ll also be able to wave my (new) National flag out in the street without people shouting rude things at me (in fact I understand they arrest you if you DON’T wave the flag). BTW, my new flag will be a rather nice red one but it has less yellow stars than your new blue one (but I guess you can’t have everything).
I also figure that if anyone can find a cure for Covid, then it’s got to be the Chinese. After all they created it and any film buff knows that for all the deadly ‘green’ vials, there is always at least one ‘blue’ one that protects the Villain (and hopefully his ‘older’ citizens too).
Anyway, when you’ve finally got your move to Europe sorted out, perhaps we can exchange notes on how little we miss this dreadful place and how perfect our new lives are.
November 4, 2020
Lock down for four weeks? so what’s the big deal? and why all the fuss
November 5, 2020
The lies, innuendo and ego to get to this position comes to mind
November 4, 2020
Dear Sir John–Talk of an Exit Plan is cringemaking–There ain’t no such thing in the present state of our (lack of) knowledge – of the present that is never mind the future. We shall exit if we do when it then seems safe to do so and that’s it.
November 5, 2020
“we shall exit when it seems safe to do so”. Could be Matt Hancock talking!! Any slight hint?? 10 deaths per day/100/1000/250000?
Get real – you cannot choke off the economy on vague threats. If it was a non related outbreak to anything else you may have a point, but this is a cost/benefit analysis. We don’t shut all the roads after one accident.
November 4, 2020
Dear Mr Redwood, please forgive my ignorance, but why do the Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish MP’s have the right to vote on an English law when the English votes do note have the right to vote in their parliaments.
November 5, 2020
I bet they claim Barnett
November 5, 2020
Democracy as interoperated by a corrupt political class
November 5, 2020
+1
November 5, 2020
Henry,
Because unlike the devolved nations, England is deliberately denied a voice and representation of itâs own and is now the only nation in the UK and western world without itâs own parliament. The UK Parliament made up of MPs from across the whole UK also acts as the English Parliament not that youâll ever hear the word England pass their lips. No Parliament and no First Minister means the UK Government/Parliament Can and does ignore England and the rotten deal it gets both constitutionally and financially and is quite happy for 117 Scots, Welsh & NI MPs to meddle and vote on English only affairs as they often do. Introduction of tuition fees, foundation hospitals and extended Sunday trading, all England only, are all examples of where the results would have been different if only MPs ârepresentingâ (?) English seats had voted on them. Tuition fees in England would never have been introduced if 59 Scottish MPs hadnât been whipped to vote for them. The SNP voted against extended Sunday trading hours for England because they already had them in Scotland and they didnât want the competition over the border. And not one word of protest on behalf of their English constituents from our supine UK MPs squatting in English seats. Thatâs what passes for democracy nowadays.
November 4, 2020
So about 7% of MPs are sound on this issue and about 93% are not. Not quite as bad as they are on the Climate Change/war on plant food lunacy – but very nearly.
Still depressed that it seems Trump and his climate realism is done for. I will have to console myself with my small winnings from my tiny Biden bet this morning. I should have been braver.
November 4, 2020
The R rate is already below 1, no economic impact assessment done and half the country with minimum infections shut down.
I still think that this is a deliberate attempt to bankrupt the hospitality industry in favour of the big supermarkets.
It’s a disgrace.
November 5, 2020
Zero evidence quoted, as ever.
November 5, 2020
Apart from what is happening before your eyes….. oh it will be too late then, never mind.
zorro
November 5, 2020
The R rate is an estimate made up number – the government gets to say what it is….don’t believe me try and find the formula
November 4, 2020
Disgraceful to make such a short time available for debate on such an important issue. If they won’t listen to members of their own party, what chance do the rest of us stand? Answer – not a chance in hell. (I watched/listened to most of it.)
November 4, 2020
Result not a surprise.
November 4, 2020
Sir John,
Thank you for sticking to your honest assessment of the doubtful value and potential damage inflicted.
You did not bow to inaccurate, confused and control for control’s sake.
Well done.
November 4, 2020
âConservatives voting against with some DUP MPsâ
So says the man who who purports to speak for England. Shouldnât you and your colleagues be asking what the hell the DUP were doing being allowed to vote on a lockdown for ENGLAND. How did the SNP vote John? Your party are a disgrace. Iâm done with them.
November 4, 2020
I didn’t see the debate.
Did the Govt. produce an economic appraisal as Sir Graham requested? Or indeed a broader cost – benefit analysis?
I think the aim needs to be to not return to whack-a-mole on December 2nd, but to use the month to direct resources at protection and micro interventions on R.
Hopefully during the next month both a forward looking CBA and a backward looking one will be completed.
November 4, 2020
So Theresa May spoke eloquently against the damage to be inflicted on the people with the latest propose Lockdown.
However, she did not return and vote against – she abstained!
Cowardly!
November 6, 2020
+1
November 4, 2020
Number of new cases per day (7 day moving averages):
10/10 14973
17/10 18235
24/10 22148
31/10 22398
The trend is still flattening out. Still no recognition from HM Government, still less diagnosis and prognosis.
Number of deaths per day still escalating but deaths are a lagging indicator. When cases come down, deaths will later follow.
It is stated that NHS ICU beds are in danger of being overloaded. Why is this? Because the Nightingale Hospitals have not been staffed and dedicated to COVID-19 patients. Instead of spending more on health care by introducing modest charges as additional revenue and training additional nurses, HM Government has spent billions on furloughing jobs that are bound to disappear sooner or later. Stop the furloughing and retrain the jobless to be additional nurses.
November 5, 2020
Dear Lindsay–Just like that on the additional nurses?? For a start they all need degrees these days (not much idea why) not to mention a number of years on-the-job experience. Ideally they need to live nearby but Nurses’ Homes were done away with decades ago (again not much idea why). Are thousands of unready nurses to move house at a stroke, which if so would make local accommodation soar in price. Etc. Not very easy or quick at all. By the time the Nurses are ready chances are the Nightingale Hospitals will not be needed.
November 5, 2020
Had we started on the recruitment and training 6 months ago there might not be such a problem. It might be possible to use auxiliary or trainee nurses working under the supervision of fully qualified nurses to cope with what is essentially an emergency.
The real problem is NHS as an institution – over centralised, bureaucratic, slow to respond and always short of resources because it is free at the point of consumption and financed almost entirely by taxation. If you wanted to design a service guaranteed to create waiting lists and be slow to respond to emergencies, you would design the NHS. It was late on acquiring ventilators and late on acquiring PPE and there were quite a few unnecessary deaths as a consequence.
November 5, 2020
are they needed at all – – tell me how many ? -how many patients on average in each? – -what capacity available?
Boris claimed thousands of additional nurses, but also admits very many lost to NHS due to family vulnerability – so what is the net gain, if any? They all must be returning staff who saw the sinking ship in recent years and bailed out, because you cannot get a degree, and serve minimum years and be assigned to a Covid ward. Unless they are! Alarming.
November 5, 2020
Did anybody think to examine the increase in testing (wanted for various reasons by individuals ) which in itself will find more cases? I doubt public risk taking and other behaviour changed much during the last 2 months or so, but testing numbers almost certainly did – hence more (dodgy) positives.
November 5, 2020
Your point about modest charging is worth making.
The NHS should no longer be free at the point of use, there should be small attendance fees (increasing substantially for those who have not resided in the country for more than two years).
November 4, 2020
You have shown commendable courage, JR. Well done.
November 4, 2020
With all the information that is widely available to the electorate, via many outlets, leaks from NHS staff and others; I think the Conservatives have made a big mistake going for this national lockdown.
Whether itâs the labourites behind the scenes trying to bring down the government or not, itâs the Conservatives who are in power, so culpable; thatâs twice now the country has been screwed over with unscrupulous people acting to serve their own agenda. Brexit, now this…
Maybe Iâm wrong, but I donât think this one will be forgiven – and I donât think the loss of jobs has really got going yet and so the hatred will grow.
November 5, 2020
Sharon, I fear you are right. The future is really depressing.
November 5, 2020
I don’t think you are wrong. This reminds me of the folly over joining the ERM: powerful voices lobbying to join on the basis of theory and European harmonisation. Less powerful voices (our host’s among them) cautioning against. In the end, after joining, we crashed out and had to perform a u-turn on economic policy. The result? Financial hardship and record reposessions for hundreds of thousands and the election of a socialist government. Many voters never forgave the Tories, and this stain on their record is only just starting to fade. This current error of judgement will have similar consequences.
November 5, 2020
The reason Labour have ‘supported’ the latest measures is because they know that it is going to come back and bite the Tories in the bum.
They will be blamed for implementing the measures and Labour will be off the hook, perhaps earmning some brownie-points for having ‘supported’ the opposition.
Come the next General Election the Tories will lose, Labour will have the keys to No.10 and despite have not implemented the various measures, they will continue with them. Or step them up.
Governments rarely dispense with powers that they inherit on coming into office.
November 4, 2020
Well…thatâs it then isnât it?
Biden and Boris.
What a prospect.
Apparently Johnson is saying that the last thing he will do is to close schools this time.
Watch them close!
November 5, 2020
The teachers don’t want to be working while everyone else is not. They always close at the first frost or flake of snow and their unions are pressing it now. All this new upsurge started when the Universities went back – young people from all parts of the country, some from big infected areas all mixing and getting drunk together. Our county was on of the lowest infection centres in the land, then the university opened and suddenly we are on tier two.
November 4, 2020
When “I voted against..” started happening on May Government votes, the quisling’s days were well and truly numbered. How can the people’s Blue Boris be so rash?
November 4, 2020
So the Opposition supports the Government, and opposition to the government comes from within the party in government. Got it.
Democracy, anyone?
November 5, 2020
Democracy would have been served if all MPs voted on their honest belief and not party politics.
November 4, 2020
Thank you for voting against
November 4, 2020
Congratulation Sir John â youâre a true conservative, you’ll go down in history as being correct on this subject
November 4, 2020
Thank you Sir John for voting against an English National lock down. Yours is a still small voice, but heartening.
Equally heartening: ‘A Plea to MPs From Mike Yeadon: âDonât Vote For Lockdownâ ‘.
It can be read in ‘Lockdown Sceptics: Stay Sceptical. Control the Hysteria. Save Lives.’
It is hard to believe that only 38 voted against the lock down. Perhaps not all MPs had had a chance to read Dr. Mike Yeadon’s plea?
Today our builder (distraught) told us that a three-week job he’d got lined up has just been cancelled. The customer couldn’t proceed because he did not have enough money to pay him for the job. This is just one example of the devastation this latest lock down is causing.
November 4, 2020
They voted for lockdown without having made any attempt at an impact assessment.
Madness.
November 5, 2020
Now why would that be? Could it be that there will be a reset anyway so they do not care?
zorro
November 4, 2020
Other countries can do it bit here we have all of this drama even T May speaking against and yet abstained it’s all a load of old nonsense
November 4, 2020
Thank you, I agree, I do not agree with an other lockdown. Boris needs to listen to other scicentific and Medical advices. The data was out of date. More harm being done to UK rather than learning to live with virus.
Also need clean no deal brexit and no WA. I was a conservative member but if cannot deliver, than Nigel Farage or Lawrence Fox, will get my vote..
November 4, 2020
Thank you for your effort.
November 4, 2020
It is logical to recognise rural areas should expect less close contact with spreaders than urban areas but are “invaded” by transport drivers, tourists, students or visiting relatives returning home etc.
The hospital capacity is at max in places like Liverpool and near max in other cities too.
It is a judgement in closing down rural areas where folks tend to not behave like their city dwellers and seems most unfair on them too. It is difficult enough to earn a living compared to city folks.
Why should everyone suffer due to the extreme unselfish behaviour of a few headbangers and delinquents who are devoid of self-discipline due to our woke society?
November 4, 2020
thanks for trying
November 4, 2020
Well done JR. There was 39 including DUP.
Guido and other social media comments shows major dislike for your leader and party. He will not be forgiven. Even May was correct today in parliament the graphs and figures do not match the action. In Con Woman another good article how the death figures and hospital count for Covid cases are false. The question from the article and most people now is why?
Finance experts conclude Govt. will have to inflate away some of its debt. More trouble ahead. I think Johnson will beat Major in keeping your party out of Govt. for generations, or decades not years.
Patel has got up the nose of many with stories about her contacting forces to rigorously enforce lock down after her pathetic performance on BLM, ER, Statues, illegal immigration.
PCSO’s were introduced as a visible presence like traffic wardens not to use physical force, another breach of promise by your govt.
November 5, 2020
Actually, with regards to Priti Patel; Iâm really, really surprised at her actions with regards to the police. I thought she was a true conservative with a strong character. Seems I was wrong, sheâs not a conservative either.
November 5, 2020
No, pick on the easy targets to keep the numbers up.
November 5, 2020
Instead of ministers changing the not fit for purpose Home Office, the Home Office changes them! Weak, weak weak.
November 4, 2020
MP’s are making decisions that will have no effect on them. They won’t lose their job’s , their homes their occupational pensions , and some people may never recover from this as they may be to old to be re-employed. MP’s will only behave sensibly if they knew that their gold plated salary and pensions would be effected . The people should march on parliament and demand MP’s wages and pensions are halved to punish them for the ridiculous decision’s.
I voted for Boris because I couldn’t vote for Corbyn , but I looking forward to the bruising the conservatives will get come next election day. I though Boris would lead , but I’m afraid he just follows . I don’t believe Boris wants to be prime minister it’s just to much hard work for little pay when he can get paid thousands for a few little news articles for one of the papers. Will he care , well no he’ll still get the golden salary and pension provided by ordinary tax payers trying to recover from this nonsense .
November 4, 2020
Well done John. I think we all knew which way it would go. Thank you for your efforts.
November 4, 2020
Thank you for standing up for us Sir John
If only views such as yours were more represented in government
November 5, 2020
+10
November 4, 2020
That’s how much notice they take of you. Yet the country would vote against lockdown undoubtedly. It’s past time you made your excuses and left this disastrous party.
November 4, 2020
Thank you, I find it shocking that any MP could have voted for the lockdown as presented to Parliament.
November 4, 2020
I’m just wondering whether MPs are trying to obtain figures for those who caught covid at hospital, as well as those who were admitted to hospital with it (and subsequently died with it, but not of it). We still have virtually no excess deaths but the covid death numbers are going up. There must be a fraud going on. If this one is exposed then the whole edifice of lies could come crashing down.
November 5, 2020
Repeated regular PCR testing of all inpatients is taking place so that some will test PCR positive but completely asymptomatic but in for something else which might lead to their early death which will then be registered as a COVID death and Robert is your father’s brother…. so simple to keep the numbers up but they can’t get the excess deaths….
zorro
November 4, 2020
Be great to hear what the UK government is doing to encourage its scientists to be the first to come up with worthwhile scientific / medical solutions to the coronavirus – short-term, medium-term and in particular long-term solutions.
Not only of immeasurable help to people here now – physical health, mental healthy and, above all, the economy – but also to the kudos of the UK as a leading country of science and technology.
(Regarding lockdowns, there isn’t anything hugely right or wrong about this second lockdown – I’d prefer no lockdown but I get why Boris is going for lockdown now)
November 4, 2020
It was a democratic decision. It should be judged on two counts. The effect it has on bringing the R number to below 1.0, and the long term effect it has on the economy which means the countries finances and the jobs of all those it puts into mothballs for it’s duration. For sure it has to be the last time this tool is used in the fight against Covid19.
November 5, 2020
It won’t be.
November 5, 2020
The R number argument is witchcraft, masks are of little added value over avoiding coughing/sneezing into a handkerchief like people used to do! The testing done by large centres is wheel ’em in, chuck ’em out accuracy (does that matter?) Test and trace, track and trace call it what you like but it is seriously flawed and ignored., and at eye-watering cost.
No doubt Christmas wil be celebrated, Covid passed around with all the kissing, cuddling and hugging cheek to cheek. Curiously the infection rate will soar after the ‘holiday’ , deaths will increase again, and Lockdown will be proposed starting Feb 1st.
November 4, 2020
Probably main reason Boris gone for lockdown is France brought in restrictions much sooner than UK (i think?) but only went into lockdown for 55 days compared to UK’s 98 days.
Also, doesn’t want to go into Christmas with lots of people dying etc – bad for country moral. Although this pandemic could go on for a long while, I expect this will be the last lockdown of the pandemic (unless the virus mutates and / or does something really weird – God forbid).
November 5, 2020
This God of which you speak, did they create the virus?
November 5, 2020
@Mike,
Why we have to suffer is the hardest question to answer on the existence of God. Granted.
I won’t try to give you any easy answers. But it has something to do with free will —> original sin —> fallen world.
Traditional Christianity says we’re being offered amazing things in this life (mainly in the form of great peace and joy – which I experience A LOT) – but ultimately to become like God (not to become God – but like God) in the next world with extraordinary peace, joy, beauty, and so on – and properly loved! But we can only have all this if we choose to follow God or not – and part of the ‘not’ is why we have original sin and fallen world and things like this virus.
But the virus can make us morally and spiritually stronger or not – whatever we choose.
Best
November 5, 2020
‘But we can only have all this if we choose to follow God or not ‘ – and not to follow God leads to sin (with original sin being the sin of Adam and Eve – there wasn’t really a garden but most likely they were the first human beings in history able to choose between good and evil – and then from then it spread immediately – all over the world at the same time. Something like that).
November 5, 2020
Define pandemic, then ask yourself if current conditions meet the definition, the think about why you called it one in the first place
November 6, 2020
‘Pandemic’ is what my old uncle (ex army) and others of his generation call it.
Pandemic sounds more vague and less alarming than ‘the coronavirus’.
He’s old school (like me) – no to lockdowns and just get on with it – things like that.
November 4, 2020
Those who did not vote against might benefit from reading the critic article (as well as other things)
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-covid-physicians-true-coronavirus-timeline/
November 4, 2020
DUP voting about England ?? we cannot vote about their plans.
When we escape on the 1/1/21 we must repeal the devolution Act as it was only an EU trouble stirring idea to break up the United Kingdom pushed buy the ……. Blair and it looks that it would eventually succeed
November 5, 2020
+ 1. Exactly Mike. The problem is we have 553 UK MPs squatting in English seats who donât have a problem with 117 MPs elected outside of England interfering in our affairs when as you say, we canât interfere in theirs. What they donât realise is their continued refusal to address the WLQ and English Question for fear of upsetting the devolved nations (and of course their own careers) is what will eventually break up their precious union. It will be England that finally says theyâve had enough of this so called union that favours everyone else but them, not Scotland. The media are every bit as anti-English in not highlighting this.
November 4, 2020
Thank you for voting against the lockdown. It seems extraordinary Labour are so indifferent to job losses amongst their union supporters. I feel disenfranchised, with no credible opposition and effectively three Labour parties in Parliament. All three parties seem hell-bent on wrecking the economy with lockdowns then wrecking it again with suicidal ‘zero carbon’. Where do we poor voters turn?
November 5, 2020
They only intent on wrecking small businesses which is why 3 million self employed got no money at all. The large corporations will get help and weather the storm and benefit from less competition.
November 4, 2020
Good job on voting against. Abstention is the coward’s way out.
November 4, 2020
O/T I see there are calls to tax meat and dairy products if consumption is not down by 2025. Are we free to do anything anymore without intervention by way of taxes?
November 5, 2020
They will be desperate for any taxes they can get after this and trying to persuade us it is for our health is what they will do. I expect there is a dept. somewhere working on how to tax the air we breathe – oh, sorry that one already exists in city centres.
November 5, 2020
Cyprus-Stylie raid on Bank Savings Accounts?
November 4, 2020
Today’s vote was a non-event. Nothing has changed. The government’s authority is unchallenged. Their ability to puruse their agenda is intact.
Sir John, unless you and/or sufficient others are actively reconsidering your position as Conservative MPs, and unless you conclude that you will only bring about change from outside the Conservative Party, then we will be stuck with an authoritarian government that either knows exactly what it’s doing, or has absolutely no idea – either is awful. Only the virus receding to virtually nothing might save us, but given the nonsensical data, and given the possibility the government is pursuing a distinct agenda regardless, we might never truly know if that happened.
This government and your party (and, I’m sure, the other parties) simply cannot be trusted. This is the nub. Sir John, it is impossible to trust you for as long as you remain in the Conservative Party. The road to regaining trust begins with separating yourself from those that deal in deception and falsehood, whether deliberately or not.
November 5, 2020
Yesterday nearly 500 deaths were reported of people with COVID.
500 people.
That is 7 Grenfell Towers. 1 full jumbo jet. 2 and a half Herald of Free Enterprises. 5 Hillsboroughs. 10 lots of 7/7. A third of the Titanic. That is the scale of deaths we had yesterday.
Today will likely be the same. And tomorrow. And the next day and the next.
Deaths will likely keep climbing for a month or so – as the people dying today got Covid a month ago.
Tell us again how many deaths are acceptable to you Mr Redwood? Because rejecting a lockdown means accepting unnecessary deaths. So how many?
Reply None are acceptable. Lockdowns have not ended the deaths
November 5, 2020
John’s reply is targeted – probably shrewdly – at the infantile absolutist mind, I think.
Having a law against murder has not “ended” murder, but only a very strange person would say that the law is pointless.
This is about relatives, reducing deaths, not to do with absolutes.
No serious person is talking about “ending” them any time soon.
November 5, 2020
a few months ago you kept claiming several countries had eradicated Covid. Ergo- you are not a serious person.
November 5, 2020
Andy – -perhaps you prefer to ignore the fact that a few less than 500 cancer deaths (a very large proportion of them much much younger than the elderly succumbing to Covid EVERY day. It has been going on for years and years in the UK.
Cancer deaths can be avoided, and years possibly added to the person’s useful life.
In a very high proportion of the Covid deaths the sad fact is that person has nearing end of life conditions already. The cancer victims do not.
November 5, 2020
*With* Covid being the operative.
Even you couldn’t bring yourself to say *of* Covid, Andy.
Most will have been very old and very ill – sad as that is. Lock down costs lives too.
It would have been a lot better had the CCP not lied in the beginning.
November 5, 2020
So 39 MPs voted against lockdown 2. Good, that was the rather easy bit without consequences for themselves. Now Sir John tell us: how many deaths do you find acceptable every day to protect the economy? 100, 300, 500, 1000, more? What alternatives to the lockdown do you propose? Could you please give us a detailed description of how you would want people to behave, for the young, the not so young, and those at risk?
What we have seen are 39 backbenchers playing the tough libertarian game to the gallery, their gallery of ‘deplorables’.
Reply I do not find any deaths acceptable and see no evidence that countries with tough lock downs have been any more successful at stopping deaths. I have set out many detailed proposals on how to combat this disease.
November 5, 2020
How many people do you think die everyday ?
November 5, 2020
approx 1700. About 450 to cancer, which because it is rarely detected and acted on early the financial cost becomes really high.
The inadequate suspicion, leading to prompt investigation and then treatment all too late leaves the family suffering unbearable pain.
But what is being done?
November 5, 2020
Sweden no lockdown UK style.
October 27th 8 deaths
October 28th 4 deaths
October 29th 3 deaths
October 30th 6 deaths
November 3rd 2 deaths
November 4th 1 death
source worldometer
November 5, 2020
UK, no population self-imposing effective measures clearly communicated by trusted government Sweden style.
November 5, 2020
Please re arrange into a sentence we can understand.
November 5, 2020
Hef,
Very offensive to describe people as ‘deplorables’. Biden used ‘chumps’ in the same derogatory way as Clinton for ordinary hard working Americans.
Your views and comments do show that you consistently sneer down your nose at people with different views. Could you give us the numbers of deaths that will be caused by the lock down, the suffering from failing to provide early diagnosis and the economic harm? I look forward to your comparative analysis so we can understand your questions. If not, your questions and smear were utterly pointless.
There are many people who have decided who should live and die. Military have done this throughout history. Doctors have as well.
However, it is right that Johnson, Witty and Valance should have shown accurate numbers for a choice to be made. They failed. In so doing knew their figures were wrong to scare people. So tell us oh clever one what benefit in deaths, preventing illness and economically the lock down will provide?
November 6, 2020
Sorry, Hope, I am not a MP. MPs should take responsibility for the way they vote and potentially answer questions they are asked. Which BTW is exactly what Sir John did.
As for your other questions, I have as few meaningful answers to them as what I guess you have yourself.
November 5, 2020
You do realise that we are headed for a very deep economic depression, don’t you ?
How many people do you think that will kill ?
November 5, 2020
Thank you and well done for voting against.
November 5, 2020
I was pleased to note that the SNP did not vote but why were the DUP allowed a say?
November 5, 2020
the State Control machine has been woken up, engine being tuned, and wheels starting to move. Braking resistance being released one notch at a time. Onward to the revolution!
Can somebody put a spoke in the wheel?
November 5, 2020
Nice to see 38 MPs actually voted for the interests of the people above those of vaccine manufacturers and bailout queens. The other 516 have shown, yet again who they really work for.
November 5, 2020
So as you can see, it looks very likely the UK planning goes way back into 2019 and to “Event 201” in New York on October 18 which, if true, has for some reason never been made public.
November 5, 2020
Well done, Sir John.
True to your word, you voted against the Government, and you can still hold your head high, being one of the 39.
The other MPs should be replaced – words fail me – an utter disgrace.
November 5, 2020
Thank you for your support and endeavors to serve the people Sir John.
As shown unfortunately, logic and thinking things through is not part of the Arts & Craft HoC. That is why the believe a guess is science
November 5, 2020
From the MsM
A snapshot from a blog from Dr Jonathan Morgan is Director of Law at Corpus Christi College in Cambridge
Britons could launch class-action lawsuit for BILLIONS in compensation for Government âfalsely imprisoningâ nation during lockdown, law lecturer predicts.
There is precedent in law-
The Supreme Court found the Secretary of State had no legal power to impose the restrictions and ***** was awarded ÂŁ4,000 for the two-and-a-half years he was ‘falsely imprisoned’.
From a logic of view point out side the theory above the Government is on dodgy ground they have no evidence to support their actions for this incarceration. I like many would be accepting of the situation as long as there was formal indisputable evidence – a guess is not evidence
November 5, 2020
A dictatorship in action
Police have warned the public to expect tougher action against Covid rule-breakers after the home secretary told them to âstrengthen enforcementâ ahead of Englandâs second lockdown. From the Guardian
November 5, 2020
I agree Simoen, John, you are better than that lot. Be ye seperate.
November 5, 2020
I emailed my MP, who is supposed to represent the people of Copeland and she didn’t have the courtesy to respond to, or even acknowledge receipt of my concerns. I sent her a copy of Lord Sumption’s Freshfields speech. And as expected, she voted for the lockdown.
Copeland has always had fairly high unemployment. The impact of this purported ‘killer virus’ has resulted in an area that has never had to be put in ‘special measures’.
But heyho, its not her livelihood at risk with the lockdown, just those of her constituents.
I will not be voting for her again and I will encourage others not to vote for her. I will use her appalling track record of always following the government line, regardless of the damage it does to the people in her constituency, who she is supposed to represent.
November 5, 2020
Listening to R4 other night ( Sunday I think) and I heard Vince Cable say
( and he agreed with it) that hotels are being repurposed to isolate people who test
“positive”.
ooh err
November 5, 2020
Thank you for voting against the lockdown. I wrote to my MP, highlighting the damage both human and economic it would do, and also the flawed data on which the decision was being made. She replied (*after* having voted) that we were âfighting an enemyâ and she âwould be supportingâ the lockdown. It struck me that shutting down the economy for a nasty bug whose death rate is no worse than seasonal flu is not âfightingâ anything, except perhaps common sense.
November 5, 2020
At least your MP replied, I asked mine two months ago to find out what the typical iteration rate was in PCR tests in the UK, she hasn’t been able to find out apparently?
Sounds legit!
November 5, 2020
I’m beginning to think it is ( a dream )
November 5, 2020
Thank you for your vote yesterday. The problems lockdown poses for people with depression and other mental health issues make the prospect of the next few weeks a nightmare for many families. Attempted suicides are increasing rapidly according to the London Ambulance Service. Meanwhile, the cases are declining and will be followed by the death rate whether locked down or not. People with mental health problems face years of trying to recover from this madness.
November 5, 2020
Question on the new furlough. It says you can furlough staff already on your payroll from September, is it the same as the deal back in March that they have to be furloughed for a minimum of three full weeks or can the burden of furlough be shared out between all the staff this time just one day per week each and still be eligible for flexible furlough. This needs clarifying quickly if staff need to be furloughed full time from the business for three weeks because this will just fall on 20% of the staff permanently laid off because you canât predict whether you will be open or not?
November 5, 2020
While the first lock down could be justified to give the NHS time to prepare, this one has no real justification because it cannot last long enough for something like a vaccine. Even the WHO opposes lockdowns now.
Thank you for opposing this, I think history will prove lockdowns are wrong, I just hope this one does not cause too much economic damage. But when I look at the high street it looks profoundly unhealthy right now – and getting worse, yet councils are still locked into a reliance on high rates to balance their budgets.
November 5, 2020
Thank you for voting against this lockdown.
November 5, 2020
La Peste ( The Plague ) by Camus is a great book I think
About how the virus affects mens inner being and how they deal with the plague.
Although people die its not frightening. I find it uplifting.
November 5, 2020
ONS death Stats for week ending 23 October 2020:
There is an increase in overall deaths for England & Wales, 980 above the 5-year average with a total of 10,739 deaths.
I normally summarise the weekly ONS figures but they have stopped giving the 5-year average for deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, so itâs not now possible to understand if the excess deaths are down to respiratory or other conditions. We do know from the previous weekly stats that there has been a massive reduction in deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia. We also know that any Influenza and Pneumonia deaths that mention COVID are logged as COVID deaths, which could explain the huge reduction. A case is classed as COVID not just by a positive test but by displaying symptoms.
The ONS is not able to provide current information on stats for suicide or cancer deaths as requested under the freedom of information act. This information will not be made available to the public until early next year.
So I’m afraid we are being kept in the dark.
November 5, 2020
“A case is classed as COVID not just by a positive test but by displaying symptoms.” – Do you have a source for that? I have heard of no such distinction. A case is someone who tests PCR positive but no symptoms (asymptomatic) from my reading.
They are trying to “mask’ as many flu/influenza deaths as COVID, so that people who die of flu/influenza but test PCR positive with no specific COVID 19 symptoms can be attributed to COVID.
zorro
November 5, 2020
Taken from the ONS site.
November 5, 2020
Why are we guessing the number of COVID deaths? Surely it would be a simple task to take two swabs from each dead person and test to see if they did actually have it. I would take two swabs to rule out false positives.
Something isn’t right the way the stats are being manipulated.
It’s as if the Government wants the pandemic to continue.
Why aren’t politicians and the media asking this question?
November 5, 2020
I think parliament is basically useless now but I applaud your efforts anyway.
November 5, 2020
+1
November 5, 2020
Cornish Nurse, Shelley Tasker has made a public resignation of her job because she got into trouble for taking a screenshot of the numbers of people in her hospital who have Covid, three people in Treliske Hospital which has 760 beds. She is angry the information is not being made public, and doesn’t believe the lockdown is justified.
November 5, 2020
Taking Dorset/Devon/Cornwall Covid is almost umheard of. The biggest offender and high rising infections is in ……wait for it ……Exeter ……after the students arrived back.
November 5, 2020
Well done. You did right to vote against.
Also well done for putting your very good arguments re pandemic measures into Conservative Home.
November 5, 2020
Dishy Rishi’s announcement today that ‘furlough’ will be extended til March 2021 does not inspire confidence that Lockdown-2 (“This Time It’s Personal”) will in fact ‘automatically expire” on 2nd December.
This also needs to be paid for – and we don’t have the means.
Sir John, could you ask the Chancellor to issue a statement confirming that there have been NO discussions in Cabinet about a Cyprus-Style raid on UK bank Savings Accounts? Thanks.
I think it is time for all shops and businesses to put a big sign in their window that they are reserving their rights of admission and that – until further notice – ALL MPs and Councillors are BANNED from entering their premises (with an exemption of course, for those that voted against the latest raft of illogical measures associated with the lockdown-2).
Perhaps when MPs cannot go into any supermarket, corner-shop, hairdresser’s, petrol station, cycle shop, cafĂ© , restaurant or pub, then will finally start to realise the impact that all of these pLandemic measures are having on the fabric of our society, the nation’s economy, people’s livelihoods and the wider health issues for the population.
The matter of whether Publicans could run down their tapped stock and continue to offer off-sales to keep their businesses afloat should NEVER have even been in question. One might be forgiven for presuming that Boris had jumped aboard the Temperence Wagon and was forcing prohibition on the nation.
That matter, and the exemption for golfers (….why not other activities that take place in an open field, like for example, archery) only came about because of complaint. Switching two letters turns that word into ‘compliant’. We should all do more of the former and be a lot less of the latter.
I’m still waiting to hear a logical explanation from someone (anyone) as to why ‘Garden Centres’ are considered ‘essential’.
Thank you for your vote in the House Sir John, and for being on the side of the people.
November 5, 2020
On this first day of lockdown, I searched for news about the COVID crisis at my local general hospital. Couldn’t find any! But I did find news of a senior hospital manager, and local politicians, parrotting the propaganda, without offering any supporting data. I suspect that there is NO crisis at that particular hospital – but there sure is one now in the local economy. Let’s get back to tiered ‘Whack a Mole’.
November 5, 2020
I’ve looked backed over the key COVID-19 statistics which have entered into a spreadsheet ever since late March. The following dates derive from 7-day moving averages, in order to remove the weekend effect.
1st wave
Cases peaked on 11th April
Deaths also peaked on 11th April
No time lag
Trough between waves
Cases reached their minimum on 7th July
Deaths reached their minimum on 17th August
Time lag more than a month
Current situation
Cases have very nearly peaked
Deaths are 295 per day having doubled in 2 weeks
Even assuming that deaths will carry on doubling each fortnight for 4 weeks, that will only be 1200 deaths per day. That is a top side projection.
So from where do HM Government and “the scientists” get their estimate of 4000 deaths per day? It makes no sense.
November 5, 2020
Well done JR, and thanks for supporting our views in Parliament. What can we all practically do to improve the situation?
Why is TINA Johnson’s junta seemingly unable to question any of the data they have shown…. instead of saying cripes that’s a large number!
zorro
November 5, 2020
The government has been criticised by the official statistics watchdog for the way it presented data to justify England’s second lockdown. The UK Statistics Authority highlighted the use of modelling at Saturday’s TV briefing showing the possible death toll from Covid this winter. It said there needed to be more transparency about data and how predictions were being made. The projections were out of date and over-estimated deaths, it has emerged.
A forecast made by Public Health England and Cambridge University said the country could soon be seeing more than 4,000 deaths a day.
The projection was made weeks ago and had forecast there would be 1,000 deaths a day by the end of October when the average was actually four times less than that – a fact that was known at the time of Saturday’s TV briefing.
What is more, the model had already been updated to predict a lower estimate, but this was not used in the briefing fronted by chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty, alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
November 5, 2020
You did absolutely right to vote against this useless, harmful and unnecessary legislation, Sir John.
November 5, 2020
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/11/05/governments-use-data-not-just-confusing-errors-positively-misleading/
We’ve been right all along. These people are fooling more naive MPs and the people.
November 5, 2020
Do these people have a strong feeling about avoiding 500 heart attack deaths a day?
Why get so worked up about this virus and why now when deep fried Mars bars have been sold legally for many years without any restriction?
November 6, 2020
SJR,
Thank you for voting to save our economy and mental-health.
To be applauded, loudly.
Best regards,
Tooley Stu