Mr Trump’s lawyer sets out challenges

Today Mr Trump’s lawyer stated they had good evidence about people trying to vote in person only to discover their vote had already been cast. In Nevada they think votes were cast by people not living in the state. There are also in some states issues about delivery and dates of postal votes.

This confirms the likelihood of a month of rallies and court cases to seek to reverse Mr Biden’s current lead prior to certification of the vote. It is most important only valid votes are counted.

I did not send my draft letter yesterday and will pause as these issues develop.

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302 Comments

  1. Newmania
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Oh dear oh dear …. by the way , I notice the entire government is still too terrified of Piers Morgan to be interviewed
    Dealing with the media is part of the job , if you are not competent to do that either maybe think about becoming a Dentist or a Hairdresser or something.

    • Hank Rearden
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

      Ah is that it? I thought it was because he was a shouty idiot who would never let people speak before interrupting them,

      • Hope
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

        Good articles in Con Woman for you and your mob to read JR.

        From the moment Trump was elected the illiberal democrats never accepted the vote and did everything to overturn the public vote. They made false allegation about Russian interference for years, tried to impeach him etc. why not take the challenge of them?

        A bit like a newmania, MSM and the remainiacs. Never stopped.

        Like the Fake Tory party taking four and half years to leave the EU! Fake Tories tried every trick in the book, PM Cameron lied to say he reformed the EU, Where do you begin with PM May’s lies? And now we have Johnson lie after lie.

        We could have started with Heath or Major as well!

        • hefner
          Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

          Hillary Clinton conceded to Donald Trump on 9 November 2016. You are rewriting history.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

        A bit of both I think. Morgan was totally idiotic the other day with Farage he seemed to think “disinfectant” = “bleach”. Trump did not say inject bleach or anything remotely like it!

        It seems to be that Nocotine or perhaps cigarette Tar is actually a good disinfectant for Covid!

        • Leslie Singleton
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

          Dear Lifelogic–How do you get time to watch these doppos in the first place? And to think how much they get paid.

          • hefner
            Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

            It seems that BTL and retail shop owners have plenty of time on their hands and can contribute mightily to this blog.

        • Stred
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:00 am | Permalink

          The latest research is showing that mouthwash (disinfectant) “can possibly be useful for treatment of covid.

          • hefner
            Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

            Where was this published?

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:44 am | Permalink

      So people trying to vote twice for the Republicans were stopped at the booths exactly as they should have been?

      Sounds like the system worked for me.

      “Looks like you’ve already voted”

      “Wasn’t me – must have been someone else, governor”

      • Edward
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

        Well if that’s what you think happened why are you against any audits of the voting process?

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:23 am | Permalink

      Quite – but to address a repeated point, yes, let’s get rid of postal voting eh?

      Then all the niggardly little the sweatshop employers can give all their ZHC staff sixteen-hour days from 0600-2200 on election day, just as the nasty Right want, yes?

      • Edward
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

        Don’t be silly.
        When has that ever happened?
        Give us proof of previous occasions.

  2. Lifelogic
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    I hope it can be overturned but it looks unlikely. I have no doubt at all that there was substantial electoral fraud with postal votes at they are very open to it. There certainly substantial evidence of it in the UK as we have seen.

    Where there are substantial differences between postal and in person voting directions an investigation and full explanation is surely needed. Biden’s policies on Climate Alarmism, The EU, the Irish Border, Iran, identity politics, the politics of envy, grievance and entitlement are not good for anyone (other than a few vested interests and lawyers perhaps).

    They are especially bad for the UK.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:56 am | Permalink

      Plus the appallingly damaging Critical Race Theory agenda will doubtless accelerate away again.

      • Richard1
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

        If anything the republicans won the election, albeit lost the white house due to trump’s Character. There is no mandate for all the left-wing stuff. Biden is a pragmatic centrist so I think we’ll see him us that as excuse to drop it. Kamala Harris also showed great flexibility of principles moving from being against fracking to in favour of it to secure her nomination. It will be continuation Obama, no worse, and probably more constrained.

        The main risk is he goes soft on those foreign policy issues where Trump has been tough and fairly successful.

        • rose
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:25 am | Permalink

          Aren’t you worried about him bombing Azerbaijan? (For humanitarian reasons, naturally.)

          • Lifelogic
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:35 am | Permalink

            Biden’s is far more of a warmonger than Trump if you look at their history.

          • hefner
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

            Trump has been in a position to influence politics for four years, Biden for almost 50 years. Is it so surprising that Biden is more of a ‘warmonger’ having had to vote on conflict-related questions since the mid-1970s?
            I am surprised that you of all people are not able to take this difference in timescales into account, being so proud of your scientific background.

          • Edward
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

            He could have voted against such conflicts and engagements.
            But he didn’t.

          • hefner
            Posted November 13, 2020 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

            Indeed he could have, but have you ever considered the responsibility of any elected representative (whatever the country) when the chief of Government comes to the Chamber and tell them that a military action is necessary for this or that reason really important for the country?

            Try to put yourself in the representative’s shoes and think hard at what you would do in such circumstances.
            It might be a tougher call than being an armchair general.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

      Lifelogic, )words left out ed) Mistakes in Michigan that erroneously gave Democrat candidate Joe Biden a 3,000 vote advantage in Antrim County. After the error was fixed, PotUS Donald Trump actually won the county by around 2,500 votes. So the “error” could have swung it for Biden.

      Reply There are disputed views of what caused the error which may have been caused by a failure to update software. Clearly other places using similar systems need to be checked. This error I think emerged from manual checks on numbers by Observers as the result seemed odd.

      • NickC
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:04 am | Permalink

        Reply to reply: True, they do need checking – and nationwide. An “error” is an error, whether inadvertent or deliberate. How many more counties went to Biden when they should have gone to Trump?

        • Martin in Cardiff
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:30 am | Permalink

          But the States work on total count, not on a county-by-county electoral college.

          The numbers would have changed nothing even if the claims were true.

        • anon
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

          Are the errors etc all in one direction?
          Postal votes need to be voted and delivered verified & scrutinised well in advance of the physical voting day.

          It should be possible via tokenkeys, to protect privacy but allow individuals to track their vote to the correct side.
          And if doesnt get to the right side a query can be raised.

          No i don’t trust pencils, nor the establishment.

          I would rather verify then trust.

    • Hank Rearden
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

      Check out Barak Obama rallies for 2008 and 2012. Whatever your view of Mr Obama, it is clear he was a popular candidate with great voter enthusiasm; he could fill stadia. His 2008 performance was the highest vote in American history. Despite a second term dip, he still managed a whopping 65 million votes in 2012, a feat which Hilary Clinton matched in 2016.

      Mr Biden seems to have achieved a vote total ten million better than 2nd term Obama achieved despite his rallies not filling car parks.

      Seems legit…..

    • Raymond
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

      I agree there is every reason to think there has been substantial electoral fraud with postal votes in the UK so it is no surprise it happens in the USA and elsewhere abroad. I have worked as a Presiding Officer at several elections so can confirm from experience the integrity of the process of Ballot voting. These checks are not available for Postal votes thus undermining the integrity of the vote, and thus undermining democracy. The relative silence of the Mass Media on this issue has been deafening.

    • Simeon
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

      I too am sceptical that the full extent of any electoral fraud will, or even can, be exposed, and that Biden will therefore prevail. But it is clear that any significant electoral fraud that can be demonstrated will, quite rightly, call into the question the integerity of the whole electoral exercise. If this happens, Biden’s legitimacy would be fatally compromised. Trump partisans would be justifiably incandescent, but the real question is how moderate Democrat voters would react in that event. There are plenty of legs in this story…

  3. Caterpillar
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    It would be ‘nice’ if presumptive President Elect Biden followed Prof J Turley’s suggestion and got the Democrats to support President Trump on full transparency. There is time for this. Biden presumably knows he has enough votes, Trump has shifted to making this about protecting the integrity of USA democracy, not just about him. It would be good for the world to be reminded that both sides in a democracy can support the transparency of the system. (And surely this would be politically good for Biden and USA ‘healing’)

    • James Bertram
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

      Unless Biden has something to hide, of course.

      • NickC
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:06 am | Permalink

        Well, the American MSM successfully hid Hunter Biden’s laptop revelations, didn’t they?

  4. John Halom
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Huge and obvious fraud is the perfect strategy to increase division and continue the controlled demolition of western countries. The mass of people that still believe in the manufactured political stage show will buy into all this and we’re likely to see large scale violence and possibly even civil war with states trying to secede. All manufactured to cover the gigantic theft by the ruling class, the oncoming solar minimum and the decline of fossil fuels.

  5. SecretPeople
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    The first factually accurate piece I have read on this subject this morning. Formerly respectable newspapers report the PM referring to ‘President Biden’, or else that are discussing how Biden ‘beat’ Trump.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

      Indeed, Joe Biden is not President until 20th Jan 2021, and Donald Trump remains PotUS until then.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

      Boris says talking to a Biden is ‘refreshing’. When Trump second term is confirmed, Boris MUST resign!

  6. Alan Jutson
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    What an absolute shambles.

    For too long elections have been run in a casual manner, without proper supervision in too many Countries throughout the World including our own.

    Time for a real scrutiny of the National voting list to ensure people are not registered twice, (in different areas) that people who have passed away are automatically removed, and that postal votes have to be applied for anew each time, with a good reason for the granting such

    • A.Sedgwick
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

      ..and photo ID when voting – crazy not to be policed and I mean policed.

    • Wrinkle
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

      Apparently Venezuela and Brazil run the fairest, most accurate and most transparent elections and get results in a day or two.

    • M Davis
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

      If only!

  7. John E
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Face facts. He lost. There were no irregularities on a significant scale that would change the outcome. Stop encouraging his denial. He will end up being laughed out of the White House.

    • Sam Duncan
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

      Irregularities should be investigated regardless of whether they alter the outcome. The President tried to call attention to them in 2016 after he won, but Democrat-run states refused to allow Federal “interference” or investigate themselves.

      This is being presented as him refusing to accept a genuine loss, but it’s about ensuring that this election and those in the future are free and fair. Don’t the people calling for him to give up want fair elections?

      • Lifelogic
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:37 am | Permalink

        Exactly he may have lost (it looks most likely) but let’s wait and see.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:35 am | Permalink

      John and his followers have no more principle than does Trump, I don’t think.

      • Edward
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

        A slur against a whole group of people is defined as what…
        Come on Martin tell us.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

        We are happy to be in that category. Honourable and honest man.

  8. Brian Tomkinson
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    This entry makes it even more interesting to observe how UK media and politicians were quick to acknowledge Biden as President-elect even though the legal processes have not been completed, and in some cases not yet begun. Was the intention to create the impression of a fait accompli regardless of whatever fraud or misdemeanours may subsequently be proven? This is the culmination of 4 years efforts by the Democrats and their media voicepieces to unseat President Trump in one way or another.

    • M Davis
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

      Agree, absolutely!

  9. Jon
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    “It is most important only valid votes are counted.”

    Perhaps you need to address the postal voting system in this country.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

      Oh yes we do!
      And to insist that MPs vote in person in the traditional way!

  10. fedupsoutherner
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Regardless of whether people like Trump or not the issue of fraud in voting must be addressed both in the USA and in the UK. Democracy must be seen to be fair and just. If this is not resolved then I can see real trouble on the streets of America in the near future.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

      Indeed.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

      And in Britain.

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

        We don’t do trouble in this country. We’re not French. More’s the pity.

  11. oldtimer
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    My understanding of the legal process is that declarations are the responsibility of the state legislatures and the electoral colleges. There are claims of absentee votes, aggregate votes in excess of 100% in some areas, votes from the grave, people turning up to vote being advised they have already voted. It seems to me that these claims need to be resolved by due process if the result is to be accepted by whoever turns out to be on the losing side.

  12. Bryan Harris
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Just the tip of the iceberg, as some of the links I provided to you will have shown.

    This is not over – Trump was expecting all of this, and I’m confident he has plans to bring it all out into the open to destroy the Democrats

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

      +1 hand count and validation in Georgia. He will get Wisconson. Here are some of the anomalies so far.
      Virginia 789,023 ‘lost’ votes
      New York 623,213 ‘lost’ votes
      Pennsylvania 941,248 ‘lost’ votes
      New Jersey 80,214 ‘switched’ votes (trump votes counted as Biden)
      There is loads more.

  13. Tabulazero
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    You are betting on a fast sinking ship. Mind you: you did also bet on Boris Johnson to deliver Brexit.

    I can see a pattern emerge here.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

      Tabulazero, Boris Johnson is far better than BINO Theresa May, even if he fails to deliver the Leave we voted for. As for Biden and Trump, let’s wait and see what the official result is, after the court cases and the investigations into the computer vote systems and the evident fraudulent ballots, shall we?

      • bill brown
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

        NickC

        we can wait till after teh court cases but it will change nothing whatever you might hope for

        • Edward2
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

          Whatever the eventual outcome it will improve voters confidence in the American election system.
          Bear in mind the Democrats have spent a lot of the last 4 years complaining about the 2016 election.

        • NickC
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:11 am | Permalink

          Bill, You will have to wait whether you like it or not. The normal procedures take time; and then there are the court cases and investigations into vote fraud. Then if Biden does become the illegitimate 45th President he (might?) be promptly impeached. Etc ed.

          • bill brown
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 8:31 am | Permalink

            Edward 2

            You mean impeached like Trump for what?
            How can he become President if he is illgitimate?
            Court cases, interesting, we are still witing for them to prove that 4 million votes can be overturned.
            But of course they should be tested so poeple believe in the system

          • Edward
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

            Gosh bill you are getting very excited.

            I didn’t say anything about impeachment.

            Glad to see you have now altered your position to accept investigations into possible irregularities.

            It is a start.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:46 am | Permalink

          What is your evidence Bull. Publish it and we I’ll be persuaded. Or are you just repeating what Mutti told you to say?

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:49 am | Permalink

          Bull in all 6 swing states Trump is now within .5% of Biden (I’m not dying which is in front) counting continues, so we don’t have the final numbers yet. But recounts will be done and votes verified in these States.
          The fraud will be exposed and all decent people shocked.

  14. No Longer Anonymous
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    The BBC has already decided.

    Biden wins.

    Though he treats them with utter contempt. “I’m Irish.” Though they probably did as much as anyone to get his win as an international anti Trump broadcaster.

    The guy’s a bit thick, isn’t he.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

      Indeed, Hillary Clinton knows she’s President, but Joe Biden doesn’t know whether he is President.

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

      NLA

      “The guy’s a bit thick, isn’t he.”

      =======

      No, ‘tick’ maybe, but not thick.

  15. Lifelogic
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I see that “No return to Boom and Bust and I saved the World” Gordon Brown has popped his head up in Fife to support Biden. It is amazing how totally wrong and idioitc many bright people can be. Educated into stupidity perhaps or just bright but totally lacking in common sense. Too busy looking at the trees to see the Forest. He was a dreadfully misguided chancellor and an appalling PM.

    Rather like Denis Heally – Balliol College, Oxford, double first Greats and yet too daft to work out that 98% income tax is not a good plan – before he went off cap in hand to the IMF for help with a loan and their supervision of the eonomy!

    • rose
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:14 am | Permalink

      He has never struck me as bright. Ambitious, yes.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

        He was fast tracked at school and won a university place at 16. Though it was only History at Edinburgh. He got a 1st and then did a PhD. A shame he did not understand economics, maths, science and logic.

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

      It wasn’t 98% income tax. It was on unearned income.

  16. Sea_Warrior
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    The BBC’s narrative is that ‘President Trump has presented no evidence of electoral fraud’. While that is correct, the BBC seems intent in NOT reporting the many instances of electoral fraud being reported elsewhere. Perhaps you need to write another letter to Tim Davie.

    • SM
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

      If you go onto the BBC News website, you will find detailed articles about the fraud accusations + attempts to explain the differing rules and voting issues in different States.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:52 am | Permalink

        Who would go to the BBC for information?

  17. Richard1
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Well let him go to court if he really thinks there’s a case. Anyone standing in a democracy has a right to make legal challenge if they suspect malfeasance. But if he loses let him leave with good grace. It seems v clear Biden got c. 4m more votes even if some thousands or even tens of thousands were not legal. The republicans should avoid behaving like continuity remain in the U.K. with a 4-year whinge or indeed like the democrats in the US over the last 4 years with all the Russia nonsense!

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

      We are speaking of institutional fraud on an industrial scale, not a few miscounted votes. Of course counting staff ‘spoiling’ Republican ballots is a bit hard to explain away (proved because of the use of the pens issued to them. Also 65 boxes of all Biden ballots being delivered at 4.00am after the scrutineers were expelled, (filmed Bull, so easily proved) is a tad inconvenient.
      No democrat should be prepared to excuse this fraud… on the other hand if you do and are content with dead voters, I suggest we get a Mrs T to stand in the next election, and we can get all the dead voters from the 80’s to register and vote by postal ballot, no problem. Maybe we can make their votes count as a vote and a half to take into account ‘population inflation’?
      It’s the only hope the Tories will have.

    • rose
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:12 am | Permalink

      The popular vote doesn’t decide it. The Electoral College does, and that is why this fraud has been perpetrated in certain states.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

        What is your evidence that fraud has been perpetrated?

        The postal worker central to Trump’s cases has disowned his affidavit now.

        • Edward
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

          Another video from him shows him saying that he has not retracted his original statement.
          We shall soon see.

  18. Edwardm
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    It is for Americans to decide on their voting system, but all evidence here and there is that postal voting is insecure and it has facilitated electoral abuses.
    I suggest that postal voting should be curtailed except for the disabled. If we are to allow people to vote early, it should be only for a valid reason, they should go to vote in person at an electoral office, and no more than a week early.

  19. bill brown
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Sir JR

    Interesting perspective even if lots of staff members incouding his wife are asking Trump to admit defeat. (AP)
    Trump has started his machine of disinformation in the swing states (Borsen)
    It will still not change anything, all rather sad

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

      Bill Brown, Interesting perspective but no facts or knowledge. All rather sad – do better next time. Actually, Trump’s wife has supported his contention that vote fraud has taken place. And why should he concede when everyone knows that Democrat supporters have engaged in vote rigging?

      • bill brown
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

        Nick C

        Prove it first and then we will talk, at least I give my sources and refer to them

    • rose
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:08 am | Permalink

      This is propaganda. Senator McConnell – and you can’t get more authoritative than that on the Republican side – has just made a speech to the Senate explaining the facts of democratic life, which he says are very simple: every legal vote must be counted; every illegal vote must be discarded; and it is not the media who decide what the result is, or who can and cannot go to court to challenge the process. He was withering about the Democrats and their appalling behaviour.

  20. formula57
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Let us recall we witnessed the Florida hanging chads debacle twenty years ago and alleged mis-counting in Illinois sixty years ago (that may have changed the election outcome) and plenty of other such incidents. The U.S.A. does not do public voting very well.

    Trump is doing for America what the “stab in the back” myth did for the last Kaiser’s Germany.

    • Alan Jutson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

      Formula 57

      Was in Florida when the hanging chads farce took place, visited the little White House in Key West and was shown the machine with some example polling forms.

      Quite clear the machine punches were not sharp or set correctly, hence the reason for the problem.

      All the hanging chad examples I was shown, were punched in the correct position.

      Being a fully qualified a toolmaker, I was fully aware how punches should work.

      Pathetic that such a lengthy debate (think it was a couple of weeks at the time) was held with regards to this so called problem.

  21. Roy Grainger
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Oh no, that’s not allowed, you are only allowed to try to overturn a democratic vote when the left lose – like Brexit and Trump’s election in 2016 which they tried to overturn continuously for the next four years with court challenges and conspiracy theories about Russian interference and so on. This time the left won so you have to accept it without comment and move on.

  22. Bob Dixon
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    We have fraud in Bye Elections In Peterborough. How ever it is not challenged in The Courts.

    • Martin in Cardiff
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

      The authorities investigated and found nothing unduly amiss.

      So quite rightly the Court’s time was not wasted too.

      • NickC
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

        Martin, I bet you believe what the Communist Party of China says too. Ohh . . . . you do!

  23. gyges
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    “In Nevada they think votes were cast by people not living in the state” apparently lots of people from California have ‘condos’ in Nevada to avoid/evade Californian taxes. As to whether this is sufficient to swing an election, I don’t know. I suppose in a marginal seat it could be.

    Postal vote litigation began before the election and was not satisfactorily resolved. This is simply continuing …

    The electoral college timetable put us here, “November 4-December 14, 2020:Counting Popular Votesand Filing Certificates of Ascertainment” see https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641

    … very, very silly of you to send that letter to Biden, John.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

      Just to say.
      That letter scarcely seemed to me to be congratulatory.
      Rather the opposite in fact.
      Maybe I read too much into it but it was a tad spikey IMO.
      It was great!

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:57 am | Permalink

        But it acknowledged a victory not yet achieved.

  24. Howard
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Like in all general elections especially those of the size 150 million plus voters there are bound to be some singular irregularities which the police and the courts can pursue but in the overall numbers it won’t amount to squat- A lot of people voted early especially democrats because of the Covid as they were entitled to do and that is what has upset the Trump camp- but as Biden says the count will go on and every legal vote will be counted.

    • rose
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

      Biden has not said every legal vote will be counted. He used to say, before the media forgot their place and announced he had won, that every vote must be counted, and he meant before a result was declared.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

        A vote is a legal vote by definition.

        Any attempt at increasing the count illegally is not a vote, it is an electoral offence.

        • Edward
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

          How can every vote be legal by definition?

          Would you include in that definition illegal votes?

  25. GeorgeP
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    The American authorities should cooperate with Trump’s legal team and launch thorough and transparent investigations to all allegations of electoral fraud, otherwise the whiff of corruption will follow Biden round like a bad smell for the next 4 years.

    • Bitterend
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

      The legal teams have to present their respective cases in court..nothing to do with the authorities if you mean the Executive..it will be decided on in Court meanwhile still counting

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:59 am | Permalink

        Enough evidence has now been submitted for the Justice department to become involved in the investigations. Public proscecuters all over the States. This means the timescales will be reduced.

  26. Lester Cynic Beedell
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    It’s with a heavy heart that I’m going to cancel my subscription to the Daily Telegraph despite having been a reader for many years, the glee that they are expressing over the contested victory of Biden Sticks in my Craw plus they seem to have fallen for the myth of Climate Change big time!

    • Bitterend
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

      Too bad Lester.. my advice switch sub to the guardian…my choice

  27. Mike Stallard
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Sir John, I think that postal voting should be dumped. It is widely open to abuse.

    Nigel Farage tells how his party were defeated by postal votes in Peterborough when, after filling the Embassy Theatre twice in one day, he lost to Mr Corbyn, whose rally attracted only a handful of voters. He tells of people turning up with actual shopping bags full of postal votes.
    In Birmingham and Tower Hamlets there have also been successful court cases. It is all too easy to cheat the system and the wretched counter will certainly not be able to check the validity of the voting slips.
    It was Tony Blair who introduced them and they should be stopped well before the next election. If you can’t get to the polling station, for whatever reason (even troops stationed abroad) then you should be disenfranchised, Conservatives and Labour please note.

    Reply To prove postal voting fraud you need to establish each vote where someone other than the legal voter has filled it in and sent it in

    • Alan Jutson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

      Reply – Reply

      Come on John

      “To prove voting fraud you need to………..”

      If you are going to prosecute, then of course you need to prove your case, but you do not need to prove anything to simply change the system John.

      Good heavens the Government changes the rules on hundreds of policies each year to either suit themselves, or to simply improve the systems without having to go to court.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

      So let’s obviate the possibility of postal ballot fraud by abolishing it and replacing it with a proxy voting.

    • Jon
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

      Reply to reply : What a very poor answer. 80 seat majority ?

    • James Bertram
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

      Reply to reply: and the problems of bribery, coercion, or undue influence? (Can’t happen with a secret ballot at a polling station if the polling station is run properly; can easily happen with postal votes).

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:03 am | Permalink

        +1 the whole system was originally set up to obviate all of this. Deviations and especially the introduction of IT is disastrous.

        • rose
          Posted November 12, 2020 at 9:53 am | Permalink

          Yes, indeed. When was the last time you heard that historic phrase,”the secret ballot”?

    • dixie
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

      @Reply – a poor response, the process should ensure a only the legal voter has made a valid vote which has been recorded and counted properly just as is required of financial transactions so why not democracy. If that cannot be done then we are firmly in a world where the only thing that matters is who counts the votes.

      remember – “we don’t believe you”

    • rose
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

      Troops abroad should be the exception.

    • a-tracy
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:13 am | Permalink

      It is near impossible to prove postal vote fraud if the head of the family fills in all the paperwork and signs peoples names for them, whenever the vote is matched up the signature matches.

      How was the Peterborough vote investigated?

  28. matthu
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Mitt Romney was reported as saying that it is important for democracy that no fraud is alleged.

    Regrettably, postal voting leaves itself wide open to coercion and fraud. So whatever the outcome, I think it is far preferable to admit the possibility of fraud, be transparent wherever fraud has been detected and emphasize measures being taken to close down avenues for fraud in future elections.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

      Same thing happened to me at Frankfurt airport. My hand luggage was stolen while waiting in line, several people saw it snatched and chased the robber. When I reported it and asked for the distinctive bag to be described on the loudspeakers, the police told me that ‘they did not want people to think there were robbers at Frankfurt airport.’

  29. JoolsB
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Tower Hamlets, Peterborough, Birmingham???? Except for the elderly and infirm and armed services serving abroad, postal voting should be scrapped. We all know it’s rife with fraud which is the very reason Labour introduced it in the first place. If someone cannot be bothered to get themselves to the polling station once every four years, then they forfeit their right to vote. Simples.

    • bill brown
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

      Jools B

      What a load of nonsesne sometines people can be out of the country on teh day and they should still be allowed to use thir democratic right.

      Don’t you believe in democracy , oene man one vote?

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

        If you can’t be bothered to vote then you lose your vote.

        • bill brown
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

          Lynn Atkinson

          Read , why I wrote before you comment, that might make it more understable for you

          • NickC
            Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

            Bill, Under what stable?

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

            Yes I read your broken English Bull. You can organize a Proxy vote in the U.K., I don’t know if there are proxy’s in Germany. I repeat, if you are too lazy to do that, then you lose your vote. Do you believe in one man 10 votes?

        • bill brown
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

          Lynn A

          What has Germany got to do with this?
          Are you taking your medicine?

      • Lifelogic
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

        Has it been one man one vote Trump would have won. Similarly had it been restricted to over 30s. Not that I am suggesting women should be prevented from voting.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

          Just 1 vote per live American would have delivered Trumps landslide.
          As it is I believe he will have a narrow win because once he has won they will be too busy to recover the other rouge states for this election.
          The system needs to be tightened up for the future.

        • bill brown
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

          Lifelogic

          One man one vote Trump wold have won with 4 million less votes plese explain?

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

            The point being that Biden did not in fact get 4 million more votes of live, legal Americans.

      • Alan Jutson
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

        Bill

        You can ask someone else to vote on your behalf if out of the Country, or indeed for any other reason you cannot make it in person, you simply fill in a proxy form.

        Again it should be a use once only permission at a time, as should the postal vote, and NOT available in perpetuity.

        • bill brown
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:37 am | Permalink

          Alan

          totally agree as well

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

          Yes a proxy is single use and one person can only cast, I believe, 3 proxy votes. So even if there is fraud, it’s trifling.

      • Martin in Cardiff
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

        Just imagine, Bill, if Remain had won the referendum here?

        We’d have had years of exactly the same tripe from these people wouldn’t we?

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

          But the Leave vote was so enormous that they could not ‘massage’ the advantage away. Apart from State and Corporate employees and hangers on, I don’t know a single Remain voter.

  30. acorn
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    You lost, get over it. Is that not what you keep telling those you call remoaners / remainiacs etc etc?

    Trump’s big mistake was saying absentee voting was good but mail-in voting was bad, not that he understood either. Hence, Trump voters didn’t mail-in votes but Biden voters did. They will still be counting those Post Office date stamped and registered envelopes containing ballot papers till Christmas. Two votes for Biden for every one vote for Trump.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

      Acorn, Although Remains alleged that we were thick they did not allege voter fraud. But vote fraud has already been reported (not merely alleged) in the presidential election.

      • bill brown
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

        NickC

        Kindly some more proof the fist two court cases have already been thrown out in Nevada and Wisconsin. So, please provide proof

        • Edward2
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

          These are State courts.
          The real decision will be eventually made by higher courts.

          • bill brown
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:36 am | Permalink

            Edward 2

            the staes are usually the one’s tha determine the outcome but keep hoping

          • Edward2
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

            Like the court systems in Europe and UK there are higher courts to appeal to.
            Did you not know?

        • NickC
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:30 am | Permalink

          Bill, I didn’t notice you demanding – or giving – proof for your numerous weird EU empire supportive comments. I do not need to hold your hand – you could find out for yourself – only you don’t want to. But because I’m kind, just for you – the USA Attorney General has ordered the DoJ to investigate voting irregularities.

          • bill brown
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:35 am | Permalink

            NickC

            that is his job and he should but it will change nothing

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:09 am | Permalink

            +1 and he was able to do that because fraud has been widely demonstrated.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:10 am | Permalink

          What are you talking about? Proof!

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

          Bull there have been more than 400 arrests. Did you know know?

    • acorn
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

      The posts I make on this site, that are based on government data and demonstrate what a very bad deal we, the 99%, have gotten from this government over the last decade; rarely get past moderation. It reminds me of that scene in the film, A Few Good Men where Colonel Jessup says “You Can’t Handle The Truth”. “You” being John Redwood MP (member of ERG 62 and the Tory no virus lock-down 32).

      Now we see for the Liverpool virus lock-down, Boris has put in a Brigadier (a one star General). Be aware, Colonels usually start military coup d’état, Brigadiers usually instigate martial law areas.

      • Edward2
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

        You normally criticise other people’s conspiracy theories acorn, yet here you are desperately trying to create one of your own.

      • NickC
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:35 am | Permalink

        Acorn, JR posts, you comment. If your moderated comments are as inaccurate as your published ones, no wonder they are moderated. I would moderate them for pomposity as well.

    • rose
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

      “Hence, Trump voters didn’t mail-in votes but Biden voters did.”

      This is propaganda by the fraudsters to make things look more normal. More Republicans applied for postal votes than Democrats did and the Democrats were initially rude about this, saying it was because Republicans are all decrepit old people.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:14 am | Permalink

        +1 and the counts in Georgia etc, where they are being forced to count all the legal votes (military ones for eg) have The two within .5%. This is so important because the recount included verification of votes. We will see that Trump wins these States easily. But the fraudsters must pay the ultimate price! treason!

  31. Frances Truscott
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    I think it is true that US citizens abroad may vote. So it would be odd to say citizens may not postal vote if not living in their own State.

    • Sea_Warrior
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

      Isn’t the issue that they could then vote twice: once where they live and again where they LIVED.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

      Overseas voters can post votes to their previous home state (overseas British voters vote in the constituency they were resident in before leaving the country). But nobody can vote in 2 states. Surely that is not contentious?

    • Peter Parsons
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

      The same is true for US military personnel posted overseas, and it is down to each state as to when those votes have to arrive in order for them to be considered a legal vote.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:16 am | Permalink

        States are breaking their OWN electoral laws. Rogue Governor unilaterally changed the electoral laws between the vote and the count! This is unconstitutional, ie illegal law!

      • Edward2
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

        Do they not know when the date of the election is?

        It shouldn’t be difficult to get votes in before the election day.

  32. Jack Falstaff
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Whether or not there was foul play, it is odd that it is so hard to find information like this elsewhere.
    I am merely conjecturing that this is because it is perhaps sub judice.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

      No..it is because it is being suppressed.
      What do you think all the fake news and internet censorship was for?

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:17 am | Permalink

      Look at Donald Trump on Twitter, Graham Allen on Twitter.

  33. Ian Wragg
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Nearer home John when are we going to say enough is enough and walk away from these interminable EU negotiations.
    We know that Brussels will try and bounce us into submission in 31st December. This isn’t good enough.

    Reply I make that point regularly.

    • bill brown
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

      Sir JR,

      Yes, you make that point regularly but you alsso seem to make conslusons on most issues on the EU, even before the negotitations are completed and we know the content, and that does not speak in your favour. We could end up with a good deal?

      • NickC
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

        Bill Brown, Any (likely) deal with the EU empire is a bad deal. Why? Because the EU has shown how vicious and vindictive it is by demanding the UK gives up territory for a mere trade deal.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

          Illegal under international law BTW.

        • bill brown
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

          NickC

          These grand statements which you do not explain nor docuemnt just makes you a bit far fetched so kindly explain yourself a bit better,
          Start with NI

          • NickC
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:44 am | Permalink

            Bill, I think you know as well as I do what UK territories the EU empire demands to control. And if you truly don’t, I suggest you go away and read Lawyers for Britain, or even Nigel Farage’s speeches.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

        Bull what is ‘make conslusions’? In English we do at times, conclude… so we have concluded that the EU is an illegal and vicious state demanding territory for a trade deal where they sell more to us than we to them.
        If Boris was sentient he would have pulled the plug.
        If he doesn’t, he needs to know that we will – on the Tory Party, forever.

        • bill brown
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

          Linn Arkinson

          What is the definition of a State , look it p and you will find out you are wrong

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

            Did you not know that the EU has legal ‘personality’ – so it is a State.

          • Edward2
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

            Not long ago you and other pro EU folk were posting on here talking about wanting to be be citizens of the EU.
            Now you are on here telling us the EU isn’t a state.
            For once I agree with you.

      • dixie
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:05 am | Permalink

        “We”? Hardly, you look to the EU, and Denmark isn’t it?

        Your representative Barnier has done everything for you to end up with a poor deal possibly even none. He has already cost you unrestricted access to UK waters for fishing, is he going to misplace your access the the UK internal market as well?

        • bill brown
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:33 am | Permalink

          dixie

          what has Barnier got to do with me as a British citizen?

          • Lynn Atkinson
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

            We know where you ‘sit’ Bull.

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

      To JR –

      “Reply I make that point regularly.”

      ===================

      But, Sir Redwood, do you actually and explicitly tell the PM that by still talking to the ungrateful french – led EU after Oct 15th, he has angered so many people it’s unlikely the conservatives would survive another general election ?

      It doesn’t seem to sink in with Boris that he’s blown it. If you are telling him that, I suggest you use a heavier book.

  34. Javelin
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Current state of the 2020 Presidential Election:

    Trump 232
    Biden 226

    80 electoral votes across 7 states in dispute.

    All disputes must be resolved by these State Legislatures by December 14th regardless of audits, recounts, lawsuits. 6 of those legislatures are majority Rs.

    If they are not resolved they are voided.

    • bill brown
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

      Javelin,

      thank you , yes let us stick to the facts as they are presented.

      • a-tracy
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:02 am | Permalink

        facts as they are presented, where are these facts presented in the UK media bill? Today the line that yesterday on the Guardian said Trump only had 214 has disappeared. These facts aren’t shown on the BBC? If Javelin didn’t put this on a blog I wouldn’t have known about it. Do you think the British media are being representative? Whatever side of the political divide you sit on you should be concerned about this. We were told in no uncertain terms on Saturday Biden/Harris had won with a clear and large majority.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

      Wonderful!

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

      And all the 7 disputed states are Republican in the House and the Senate.

    • James Bertram
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

      Very interesting, Javelin.
      Thank you.

  35. Peter Wood
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Let’s worry about our own government incompetence; what’s going on with fishing? The government cannot give way again on this national totem of independence, please make it known.

  36. Billybob
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Not unusual. Each state will have a tranche of people who vote there but don’t live there. American friends of mine who live in London get absentee ballots and vote in their home state. Also Nevada has a few military bases – some military personnel will vote there while stationed overseas.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

      All that you cite are legal votes. They problem arises when all the Nevada military votes are found in a ‘dumpster’ and people expect to vote in 2 states, hey why not 12 states? I have loads of ex-addresses. Do you think I should be able to vote in each of those constituencies?

  37. MickN
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Postal votes are open to abuse. Boris must stop the free issue of these in the UK and sort out the boundaries whilst he has the majority to do it.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

      +1

  38. Mark B
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Good afternoon

    For people to have faith in the democratic process, the voting for candidates must be as robust as possible. We here in the Uk can do far more to ensure that the votes casts are from the legitimate voters and, that votes are not tampered with. I think it is high time that postal voting was restricted to certain groups and, that proof of ID must be shown at the polling station before anyone can vote.

  39. rose
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    “It is most important only valid votes are counted.” Indeed.

    What can be done about the valid votes which were disposed of or altered?

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

      Vote again! The States need to get moving or their votes will not be valid and count towards the Presidential election.
      But the President will take the lead next week. Under the threat of court action these guys have learned to count!

  40. BOF
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Indeed. The reason no one should have congratulated Biden on his ‘victory’.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

      Boris MUST resign when Trump wins. Boris has been an unmitigated disaster!

  41. Original Chris
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I see key world leaders have waited for certification of the results of the US election, instead of rushing in to congratulate Biden, thus showing more respect for electoral propriety than Johnson and his Tory MPs. Very wise.

    However, it is vitally important for this country to have clarification on which side Johnson is: the UK’s side or the globalists’ side, who are rushing to install The Great Reset, using Coronavirus and “climate change” as justification. See UN Agenda 21 and 2030. It is all there, the ghastly transformation of our society under a Marxist type regime, all apparently in the name of “sustainability” (and apparently signed up to by our government).

    • Original Chris
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

      Yes, Johnson indeed is a globalist and as such is an enemy of a free UK and its right to develop as a sovereign nation/independent country, free from the Marxist type regime that the globalists want to impose on us (UN Agenda 2030). Johnson apparently can’t wait to proceed further, together with Biden, with the Climate Change agenda….. That says it all.

  42. Lynn Atkinson
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    It sure is! If the political elitists subvert democracy then we in the U.K. have nothing. Those that subvert democracy should pay the ultimate price.

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

      Lynn

      “If the political elitists subvert democracy then we in the U.K. have nothing. ”

      =========

      Not so. We still have our fists and I intend to use mine as and when the need arises, and we’re British, we don’t cower from a fight.

      We need a damn good punch up to sort things out, politicians can’t be relied upon to protect our way of life and sovereignty.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

        You are right. We will fight for it. Much needs reversing, and politicians need to learn to respect us. That is how John came to sign the Magna Carta. The Barons had armies!

  43. Stred
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    In some states votes were cast by people not living.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

      The dead were so active that they in fact registered to vote after they were dead as well as voted Biden.

      • NickC
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

        The dead voting for the undead?

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

          😂😂

  44. DavidJ
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    There seems to be much evidence of voting fraud, especially with postal votes but also with observers being restricted in what they were allowed to see. The obvious solution is a new vote with the absolute minimum of postal votes and only for good reason.
    However maybe a recount would work but with automatic cross checking to identify any duplicates or unauthorised voters (such as dead ones).
    There are lessons to be learned for our own elections, especially the right to postal votes and their additional scrutiny when allowed. Coercion also needs to be recognised especially in those areas following a particular religion.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

      Yes!

  45. Ian @Barkham
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Off topic
    Barnier today on social media relating to this week in London “respect EU autonomy and UK sovereignty with effective governance” “The EU demands access to Britain’s coastal waters, the so-called “level-playing field” and an agreement to police any future deal.”

    Coastal Waters the is first 13miles from the shoreline out, not just the EEZ that is inside the UK territory by international treaty,

    So the EU dictates what happens in the whole of UK without having the UK people having a say in their laws and rules. That is EU speak for respect (code for rule).

    In reality it is punsihment, they do not seek and will not ask for similar rule giving them authority to any other independant nation – you can just see Biden and the US agreeing to that

    • Ian @Barkham
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

      Mr Barnier had also told a private meeting that giving the UK boats greater opportunities to land fish from their coastal waters was “key to reach an agreement”.

      The EU giving UK boats access to their own waters

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

        It’s apparently ‘in their gift’. Boris sits at the table. NI is on the table, indeed, the whole U.K. is.

  46. Lester Cynic Beedell
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Yes the only votes that should be counted are legitimate ones
    Biden isn’t president elect!

    • Original Chris
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

      You are absolutely right, LCB.

  47. Andy
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Trump is just a bad loser.

    When the votes are all tallied Biden will end up with probably around 7 million more votes than Trump. He will have won the electoral college by at least the same margin as Trump won it by in 2016. In key states Biden will have won by a bigger margin than Trump beat Clinton by in 2016.

    There is no evidence of anything other than minor irregularities – the sort you get at every election everywhere. Decent Republicans – of whom there are increasingly few – admit the process was fair and see Trump’s claims as spurious and dangerous.

    Having packed the Supreme Court with his cronies Trump might try to steal power. He will fail. If he needs to be removed by force then he will be. Constitutionally, the worst presidency in US history is almost over. The worst president will soon be gone. Decency will return to America.

    With Trump gone, it’s time to remove Johnson and undo Brexit next.

    • Richard1
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

      Look the pot is calling the kettle black. Indeed people shouldn’t be bad losers when they end up losing elections. Or referenda.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

      “Trump is just a bad loser.” Well, you should know, Andy. Except losing to vote fraud is not really losing, is it?

    • Edward2
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

      You still fail to understand the American collegiate election system Andy.
      Numbers of individual votes is not the key thing.

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

      Andy

      “The worst president will soon be gone. ”

      So Andy, in your list of worst presidents, do you include the highly intelligent Mr Bush ? and his little lapdog ‘two illegal wars – there really is WMD’ Tony Blair ?

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

      Andy

      “With Trump gone, it’s time to remove Johnson and undo Brexit next.”

      ================

      Johnson himself is the most likely to undo Brexit and try in vain to do a runner. So removing him doesn’t really suit your aims, does it Andy.

      Very clever.

  48. Norman
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    There has been a political rout from the left. The media and some of your commentators, Sir John, are showing their true colours more than ever before. Whether or not Mr Trump has a valid case, he has been virtually elbowed out already. Meanwhile, we ourselves have been frog-marched into activist policies on a number of fronts – things we neither agreed to, nor voted for. Those who knew better (whoever they are) have acted over our heads. They will undoubtedly now continue to do so. These are indeed troubling times, and I empathise fully with those affected by despair.
    However, my sincere prayer is that they will look up to that Great Narrative we’ve been so privileged to have available to us in our own language since the Reformation, for which many even died in the flames. Within its pages, and with the Spirit of wisdom alongside to assist, we shall see and understand that all is not lost. There’s a reason for everything, and God, our Creator and Redeemer, is fully in control. We must heed the signs of the times, and ensure that we respond to the call of John 3:16 and Romans 10:10ff. Everything then falls into place. So much to learn, and so much to give thanks for!

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

      We are in Exodus.

  49. Joe
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    I smell your fear. Biden is no friend of right wing populism, but is close to the EU and to Ireland. The UK government has a harsh winter a-coming. It’s what you voted for

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

      Joe, Don’t be silly, the economic and health fall out is already 10 times worse than you Remains predicted for Brexit. Moreover we do very nicely out of trade with the USA without a trade deal.

      • NickC
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

        I should have said: “the economic and health fall out from the covid19 lockdown is already 10 times worse than you Remains predicted for Brexit

    • beresford
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

      Fortunately we should have cut ties with the EU before Biden is inaugurated, assuming JR and his colleagues don’t allow Boris to bottle it.

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

      Joe

      “I smell your fear.”

      =========

      Contrary to remainers and traitors belief, we are not fearful.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

        And Trump is a fighter. When people accuse me of being xenophobic, I explain that their problem is that I am not afraid, you would think that after losing 2 world wars to the U.K. and its allies (the USA and the Diminions), they would have learned something. But no.

  50. Barbara
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    ‘Legally, this is the state of play in the US at the moment:

    Current state of the 2020 Presidential Election:

    Trump 232
    Biden 226

    80 electoral votes across 7 states in dispute.

    All disputes must be resolved by these State Legislatures by December 14th regardless of audits, recounts, lawsuits. 6 of those legislatures are majority Rs.

    Bit different from what’s being reported, isn’t it?’

    (Ht Simon Dolan)

    • a-tracy
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

      We’ve been told Biden has got the 271 electoral votes he needs, Biden must have the BBC reported this as a fact and all the major newspapers.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

      Oh…GOSH.
      Is that really true??
      Bloody well hope so!!!

    • Original Chris
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

      You are right, Barbara. There is much evidence of voter fraud, which is being collected and submitted for legal purposes. I have tried to post links to fascinating discussions about the types of voter fraud, the forensic accounting tests that can immediately detect fraud, e.g. Benford’s Law. Apparently Michigan votes, for example, show that Biden does not pass the test, but, President Trump does. That is just one of many examples.

      Key things to research are Dominion voting systems,which were deployed in key swing states, with Georgia installing them only in 2019. Significantly Texas refused to consider them because of security issues. Research the links to politicians with regard to the Dominion voting systems. Another piece in the jigsaw.

      Also research the HAMMER voting system and the SCORECARD programme. Excellent interview on The American Report website entitled
      “Lt Gen Thomas McInerney USAF Ret and The American Report’s Mary Fanning discuss SCORECARD and the HAMMER election hack on Worldview Weekend with Brannon Hawse “.
      Even in the first few minutes you can get a very good idea of potentially huge voter fraud in this election. The algorithm employed is key.

      A short interview of Sydney Powell (General Flynn’s defence lawyer) by Lou Dobbs is also very informative. LD is a highly respected Fox News presenter, and the link to the interview is from his tweet.
      https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1324852734688923648

      In the interests of open and honest debate, Sir John, please do not censor this. It is vital that any wrongdoing in this election is uncovered, and that the true winner of the election takes office, not the globalists and media designated candidate.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

      +1

      • Lifelogic
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

        Certainly the BBC has become even more anti-Trump then they were before.

        • NickC
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

          Is that possible?

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

          The BBC is in its death throes, it is lashing out at its enemies.

          • Fred H
            Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

            if only that were true.

        • Robert Mcdonald
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

          That is just not possible !

  51. Caterpillar
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Aside:

    Two posts by Sir John today and either would tempt a reflection on the 22nd July Trump Administration’s $1.95bn deal to buy 100 million doses of potential Pfizer vaccine.

    • Everhopeful
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

      Or one might also reflect on the rumour that today’s stock market boosting announcement was delayed until after the election for fear of increasing the Trump vote.

      • Caterpillar
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

        Everhopeful,

        Well I hope it is coincidence but who knows.

        Either way it would be good if the trial completes satisfactorily for FDA approval and Operation Warp Speed to get under way. With Cuomo allegedly wanting to delay until Biden is in office, and Biden putting at least 2 names on his Covid task force that would irritate Republicans no-end – I just can’t see a sufficient take up in some areas if it doesn’t start roll out before January.

      • hefner
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

        So what? When you have a PotUS so out of his depth regarding most scientific topics, criticising his scientists (e.g., Dr Fauci) in the middle of a pandemic, and decreasing year after year their budget (environment but also cancer-related and university), wouldn’t you see some moral dimension in scientists concluding that for the society at large it would be better to see such a guy going to the dustbins of history?

        • Edward2
          Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

          He was voted in a few years ago and in this election he got millions more votes than the first election.
          You hate him because you don’t like his politics.
          It blinds you to anything positive he has done.

          • bill brown
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:32 am | Permalink

            Edward 2

            that sounds like you when yu bescribe the EU

          • hefner
            Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

            Ridiculous comment (as so often):
            I know what PotUS Trump did for blue-collar workers, but I also know what he did for his rich pals.
            I know of his successes in foreign policy but also of his blustering failures (North Korea).
            I know of his efforts to curb immigration supported by a lot of Americans, but I cannot condone the way he made ICE separate children from parents.
            I know what his original promises were, and how many of them he has actually delivered.
            I know that from the start instead of trying to pull the whole country behind him he only was able (or he was only willing) to call on his side in a way reminiscent of some past regimes.

            I don’t hate him as a person, I really don’t care. I hate what some of his policies are/were.

            Have a good day and enjoy your life swimming around your fish bowl.

          • Edward2
            Posted November 11, 2020 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

            No
            I don’t dislike the EU.
            I hope they will be a success in the future.

            I just don’t want the UK to be anything less than an independent nation and not to be a member.

          • Edward2
            Posted November 12, 2020 at 9:01 am | Permalink

            Oh dear Hefner.
            Your rant delightfully proves my original post.
            Your hatred blinds you.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

          The US citizens ingest more chemicals than any other nation. They are the most unhealthy – as a result? Whenever you think The Donald does not know something, think for one moment that he is a few paces ahead of you rather then behind.

  52. Original Chris
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Tweet by Praying Medic is very apt, “When your election is so rigged, even the President of Mexico ain’t buyin’ it”.

    Mexico’s president refuses to congratulate Biden until legal challenges are exhausted. Source Newsbreak.

  53. Paul Cuthbertson
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    It is President Trump not Mr Trump.
    You and the PM stupidly sent letters of congratulations to Biden before official confirmation.
    The Biden /Democrat Fraud will be uncovered and prosecuted.
    President Trump WILL be inaugurated on 20 January 2021.
    Orchestrated unrest will follow but President Trump is fully aware of events and happenings.
    A shrewd man who I wish was leading the UK.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

      I hope you are right but think this will not happen. I found the way the media and Twitter cut off or signal Trump’s statements and Twitters all rather frightening.

      • Mike Wilson
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

        I find the way Trump uses Twitter both nauseating and dangerous.

        • NickC
          Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:51 am | Permalink

          I don’t think he would if it were not for the MSM running a four year hate and disinformation campaign against him.

    • hefner
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

      Why should I call him President Trump when a number of contributors on this blog refer the EU heads as Macron or Merkel when they are not using worse names. So that’s Trump for me.

      • Edward2
        Posted November 9, 2020 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

        Call him what you like hef.
        No one in the Republican party in America cares what you call him.

      • NickC
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 12:56 am | Permalink

        Hefner, Most commenters here shorten peoples names to their surname (occasionally a first name – Boris) because it’s quicker to write, quicker to read and shortens the comment. And JR has asked for short comments. And as for your complaint about referring to Merkel and Macron, given Remains relentless and persistent abuse of Leave voters for four years you have some cheek.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

      Me too. Trump displays all the qualities the British admire and which have inspired us through the ages. He is unafraid, honest and he is prepared to fight. Poor Boris, being rolled over by Ferguson and the evil empire: no comparison.

      • L Jones
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

        Well said, Ms Atkinson. I only wish we had a leader like President T. Perhaps if he can spare the time he could come over here and give a bit of advice to our hapless bunch.

    • steve
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

      Paul Cuthbertson

      Well said Sir +1

    • L Jones
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      Seconded, Mr Cuthbertson. Well said indeed. I do hope you’re right.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

      +1. The numbers are coming in for the President as we speak. They have confirmed Alaska after an 8 day delay! Never any question of its vote. Hand count and certification in Georgia.
      When the crimes committed by the Democrats, (who own a lot of the fraudulent the electoral machinery!) are revealed, as they will be, the American people will be disgusted.
      God help them because I woun’t.

  54. Original Chris
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Why do you address President Trump as “Mr Trump”?

    That is a great discourtesy on your art part and unworthy of you, in my view.

    • NickC
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

      Original Chris, You are quite correct. Even if Biden is inaugurated on 20 Jan 2021, Trump remains “President Trump” for the rest of his life.

      • The other Christine
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:23 am | Permalink

        ++

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

      It’s Mister President, Sir.

  55. Marvin
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    The New York Times, one of the few American Newspapers not to recognise Biden’s success at this very premature time, has shown evidence of no fewer than fifteen States where the vote count has been far higher than the number of voter’s registered. The total number of votes will not be in until near the end of this month(November) after which the vote counts are considered by the Electoral College, they have until the 8th December to ensure all votes are correctly represented, and an announcement will be made on 14th December. It is wrong that the media are claiming Biden has won – this is not the case as yet. If people can remember, a similar event occurred for the Al Gore/George Bush election.

    • Mike Wilson
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

      In an election with a turnout of 67%, it is hard to imagine more votes being cast than there are registered voters.

      • Original Chris
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 11:00 am | Permalink

        Research the data in the key swing states. It is there.

  56. Gabriel
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Makes no difference because if push comes to shove every single vote can be checked against its voter name address social security number, it’s all there available for everyone to see, to be cross referenced, checked and added up.. sojust waiting now to see what the courts will say- in the meantime the count goes on.

  57. Bill Tanner
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    One after another, judges are rejecting Trump’s unfounded allegations of voting fraud, for two excellent reasons:
    – hearsay is not evidence;
    – once you discard the hearsay, there is no other evidence.

    I’d sit down, if I were you, because sooner or later, reality is going to impinge on your fatally warped world view, and you might feel quite dizzy.

    • rose
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

      Judicial activists.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

      no they are not!

  58. steve
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Apparently Biden now says he will do a ride deal with us.

    I wonder if his change of mind occurred before or after he apologised for insulting our country.

    Tell him to sling his hook, we don’t need him.

  59. Lynn Atkinson
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    JR will not publish the link, but Freenations has put up an article today with a YouTube video link to a Republican lawyer who outlines some of the cases and evidence. Conservative Woman as a different lawyer and different link. Both devastating. Please Google.

    • a-tracy
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

      Why should we have to google Lynn? Why aren’t the BBC reporting the full story, the entire picture of what is going on? They said Biden won days ago.

      Truth, Trust, Transparency – facts and honesty matter. All right-minded people should be very afraid of what is happening right now with the way the media are reporting.

  60. Lynn Atkinson
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    I am delighted that you have not sent your draft letter to Biden subject to the court cases and Orders currently being perused in the States.
    Electoral law is important and all parties must play with a straight bat. There is too much at stake for anything less. Losers concentrate is what is at stake. And that means Democracy.

  61. Zorro
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    You know it makes sense 😉

    zorro

  62. Bitterend
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Yeah but the Biden lead in Pennsylvania is nearly 50,000 now and growing..I cannot see anything that is going to change the 270 collegial number that is necessary

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

      Pennsylvania is now Trumps. Proper counting 😇 has reduced Biden 100,000 lead!

  63. bill brown
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    NickC

    Kindly some more proof the fist two court cases have already been thrown out in Nevada and Wisconsin. So, please provide proof

    • rose
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

      Thrown out by judicial activists, Democrats.

    • NickC
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:07 am | Permalink

      Bill Brown, What about you providing proof that all votes were legitimate? Not possible? Neither is it possible to provide proof that some votes were fraudulent, and it shows a misunderstanding of the concept of proof to demand it. The decision and thus the proof will be decided by a court using information provided by both parties.

      • bill brown
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:31 am | Permalink

        NickC

        I do not have to , it works the other way around

      • rose
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:03 am | Permalink

        There is an old saying, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But in this case there is a great deal of evidence. It is for judges, not judicial activists, to decide on this evidence.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

        +1
        Bull talks bull.

  64. Damien
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Yes but none of the lawyers so far have produced any credible evidence of fraud yet only spinliķe Giuliani in the parking lot and so will wait until I see hard evidence before i rush to print.

    • rose
      Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

      You won’t see it because you won’t be there and it won’t be reported.

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

        They have to report it. The states are changing colour.

  65. Helen Smith
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    There is much postal voter fraud in the U.K. too, and most cases seem to involve Labour, I wonder if that could be why Blair extended the postal vote to every one!

  66. Lindsay McDougall
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    A Biden Presidency is potentially disastrous for the United Kingdom.

    Mr Biden will look to the European Union rather than the United Kingdom. Fine. The next time that America sends troops to another country and looks for allies on the ground, we should refer him to Germany. We are fed up with being cannon fodder to American wars. Mr Trump’s record is fairly good. He has reduced the American military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan to a minimum.

    Mr Biden will attempt to intervene in Northern Ireland, if only to pander to the Irish American community. We should point out to him that the only threat to the Good Friday comes the resumption of Republican violence. If that happens, we should pull the plug on the Agreement. We should admit goods from the Republic of Ireland tariff free and expect the Republic to reciprocate. If the European Union prevents them from doing so, we should withdraw our recognition of the European Commission. The great advantage of regaining full sovereignty is that we can do what we like.

    It is perfectly possible that a machine politician like Biden would seek to gerrymander the postal vote system, and it certainly possible to do so.

    There is a lesson for this country. We should restrict postal voting to a necessary minimum, with stringent ID requirements.

    • NickC
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:09 am | Permalink

      Lindsay, I suspect that many Irish Catholics will not be happy with a US President (even if Biden gets past the court cases) who advocates abortion up to birth.

      • hefner
        Posted November 10, 2020 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

        On 26 May 2018, 66.4% of Irish people voted Yes in a referendum to change the abortion law (to abolish the 8th amendment to the Irish Constitution that had been putting a near-total ban on abortion for more than 35 years). Only Donegal voted against by 51.9%.

        And what do you mean? Biden advocating abortion? As far as I understand (maybe not being a man), the decision to abort or not is a woman’s.

        • Lynn Atkinson
          Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

          The Irish made the decision under duress. In British law deals struck under duress don’t stand. This is a man making the law to abort up to birth, but in NZ a mother pushed that same disgusting Global law through. Women are then pressurised to do what they otherwise would not do!

          • hefner
            Posted November 14, 2020 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

            1. In the RoI they happen to have their own laws, a good deal initially taken from British laws, but not exactly the same. And why British laws should apply to the RoI?
            2. Your mention of ‘duress’ although it makes you look as if you knew what you were talking about certainly does not apply in the May 2018 referendum.
            3. And then like any weak debater sensing that you are likely to lose the argument, you move from the RoI to NZ.
            Weak, weak, weak.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

      Professor Arthur Noble, an Irishman, has written a brilliant piece on Germany’s view of Biden. Freenations are going to publish shortly. Also a member of the USA intelligence Service has written a piece for us to publish, on the US Presidential election. We will publish that soon too.
      The US Democrats are in deep. They don’t want recounts where authentication of ballots is done, so suddenly the guys in the swing states have learned to count. Looks like they will ALL fall to The Donald.

  67. rose
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    A pity our ministers didn’t wait to hear Senator McConnell’s speech in the Senate today before jumping the gun.

    • a-tracy
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 8:45 am | Permalink

      Where did you read about this rose our media isn’t reporting it at all?

  68. Derek Henry
    Posted November 9, 2020 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Mr Trump broke every US spending record in US history. Ran $trillion Deficits have the private sector $ trillion surpluses.

    And cut taxes bigly.

    He showed It can be done without causing inflation. It wasn’t one or the other.

    When the evidence changes the policy should change. Monetary policy does not work. Fiscal policy does.

    Anybody who thinks monetary policy works by itself refuse to believe the facts. Trump proved it. The days of monetary policy left to do the heavy lifting should be over.

    When the evidence changes the policy should change.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

      Biden spent more than double the President did on the election. Let’s see the left outspend Boris! 😂😂 oops – he is the left isn’t he?

  69. Cheshire Girl
    Posted November 10, 2020 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    Nothing would surprise me. Postal votes are open to abuse. Its almost certain that it has happened here in the UK. There was talk of certain people turning up at Polling Stations with a handful of voting slips for the entire ‘family’. In my opinion postal voting should be used only for those who cannot get to a Polling Station, or are away from home on Election Day.

    • rb
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 9:58 am | Permalink

      Nothing would surprise me.


      Nano particles in vaccines that are excited by 5G and prevent you from ever rising up?

    • Margaret brandreth-j
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

      My postal voting was stopped with the excuse after returning about 6 voting replies that I wasn’t eligible any more as I had not returned the reply voting form !

      • Lynn Atkinson
        Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

        Appoint a proxy.

  70. Martin C
    Posted November 10, 2020 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    If Biden / Harris take the election and make good on their promises to end fracking and oil production, it could well lead to the breakup of the Union. As independent countries, oil states like Texas would become immensely wealthy in their own right.

    Watch this space . . .

  71. oldwulf
    Posted November 10, 2020 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    President Trump is a bad loser…….which in a President is a good thing …..right ?

    However, the time is approaching when he must put up or shut up. If I were a gambling man…..which of course I’m not…… I would not bet against President Trump.

    • Ed M
      Posted November 12, 2020 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

      Trump, like all of us has an achilles heel. It won’t be long before that is exposed and then his enemies will come after him – big time.

  72. Lynn Atkinson
    Posted November 10, 2020 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Arizona has been taken from Biden in the forecast by the media. It’s back in the grey – shortly to turn blood red!

    • Gongoozler
      Posted November 12, 2020 at 8:59 am | Permalink

      Rubbish. Biden maintains his lead and Trump has dropped his lawsuit in Maricopa county.

  73. The Hammer Codename
    Posted November 10, 2020 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Trump just tweeted he will win.

    • Wil Pretty
      Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

      It is important that all voting irregularities are fully investigated to determine if any are deliberate rather than accidental, and to rectify accidental errors

      If deliberate tampering is found the penalty must be such that it dissuades politicians from deciding to implement such a strategy to influence future elections.

  74. The Hammer Codename
    Posted November 10, 2020 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    THE HAMMER, is a surveillance program used for counterintelligence designed to spy on protected networks like voting machines – without being detected. Scorecard is a program that can alter votes as they transfer from voting stations to data storage hubs.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

      Yep. Why would anybody need that?

  75. Lindsay McDougall
    Posted November 11, 2020 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    I fear that the Supreme Court will find that there was some postal vote fraud but not enough to matter. It will then take a long time for the wounds to heal. One thing that we need a Supreme Court ruling on is “Were State Governments within their right to allocate a time extension for postal voting without passing a law?” If Trump wins on that issue, all Hell will be let loose – and rightly so.

    • Lynn Atkinson
      Posted November 11, 2020 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

      He has won.

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