The decision of the two Vote Leave advisers to move on must not get in the way of an early end to the talks with the EU and a clear decision to leave without a bad Agreement. Only if the EU has removed its demands for our fish, to control our laws and to impose their Court as part of an Arbitration system is it worth continuing talks about a Free Trade Agreement.
I have always urged the UK to prepare for No Deal, as it was always possible the EU would fail to deliver the Free Trade Agreement that is in their interest. They promised one in the Political Declaration then failed to propose one.
No Deal has always been better than a bad deal. It seems the EU only wishes to offer a bad deal, so let’s get on with leaving the single market. Weak UK negotiating under the previous government where Parliament was determined to help the EU not us made getting a good deal less likely. We now need to enforce the sovereignty clause in the Withdrawal Act.
November 13, 2020
The props to the trap door are slowly being taken away and the noose that the PM has put around his neck will hang him. He is not upto the job and should announce his leaving programme, he has failed on too many fronts and I do not believe he has a strong enough cabinet with his best interests at heart. Once again the curse of people playing lip service whilst concealing their own hidden agendas. Time for the old proven parliamentary veterans to man the walls and get us repelling these attacks from every quarter of society. If it was not so serious it would be a joke , but no one one in the real world is laughing. They are beyond contempt. Their leader has and is failing the country on everything so is it any wonder we have no united joined up thinking. The lights are on but there is no one at home.
November 13, 2020
Indeed. It looks horribly like we are being lined up for a capitulation to the EU, as some of us have feared for some months. Our establishment always sells us out. Every time. The Leave supporters in No.10 objected so had to go. An appalling situation which confirms Boris is now merely a passenger.
November 13, 2020
Too true Turbo. People from the North will never take the risk of voting Conservative again. They will have been totally let down as we all have if Boris doesn’t deliver Brexit.
November 14, 2020
Ah, that famous doom laden word again “if”.
November 14, 2020
…Lifelong Conservative people from the north will never take the risk of vote ing Conservative again if Boris is allowed to blow Brexit. And donāt ask how we will vote – the voting is over!
November 13, 2020
It would have been nice to have seen a clean, not a messy, end to this Brexit debacle.
Everything this lot touch turns into a mess.
This will be no excpetion.
November 13, 2020
JR, the fact you blogged about it knowing there will be outcries as a warning to caving in shows you are concerned. Johnson is devoid of a backbone, an invertebrate and jelly fish. So you should be very worried. We all should be because as a record of fact he will run away or cave in.
We all knew EU could not agree a fair deal because the rest would leave. It’s only hope was for U.K. To agree a bad deal to act as a warning for other countries not to leave. Traitor May obliged and more.
Frost already reported to have given another concession on fishing for Barnier to consider. Frost and Sunak accept negotiations about goods but not financial services? Why? IDS and his think tank made it clear a lot of wasted time talking about goods when financial services should be in the mix as it is more important to UK economy.
November 13, 2020
There will be no end to dealings with the European Union, nor to disputes about what should be their aims.
Elections will be fought over them, for the rest of time until the UK rejoined, if it ever did.
That is for what you have voted, not for the end, but for the beginning, of Europe dominating our news for years and years.
November 13, 2020
Martin, We were offered the options of Remain or Leave. We chose Leave. We could have exited the EU in 2017. The mess we have now is entirely due to EU fellow travellers here: it is a Remain mess.
November 14, 2020
So we aren’t getting frictionless trade as Leave promised and Remain pointed out was impossible outside the EU – but that is Remain’s fault. We aren’t getting even roll over of existing trade deals, never mind any new ones, as as Leave promised and Remain pointed out was impossible outside the EU – but that is Remain’s fault. The German carmakers have shrugged their shoulders at loss of UK markets and said to the UK “your problem, not ours” … our fish are going to get hoovered up by EU boats …. Northern Ireland is now more part of the EU than it is part of the UK etc etc , all obvious very bad results of Brexit but in your head the fault of those who said Brexit would lead to very bad results
November 14, 2020
Garland, Leave did not “promise” frictionless trade. It couldn’t. The whole point of leaving the EU is to separate ourselves from the EU empire. A fair trade deal was in theory possible, but I, and many other Leaves thought that would not happen. We knew the EU was the enemy. We were right.
However the readiness of the Remain establishment to capitulate handed all the negotiating advantages to the EU. So, yes, this is a Remain result – something you have worked to achieve. It has occurred because we would not walk away, which Remain has prevented with a first-class, but entirely cynical, campaign to demonise no-deal.
November 14, 2020
What is frictionless trade?
Asking as someone who has actually bought and sold goods to and from both EU and non EU countries.
PS
Your German car industry claim is nonsense.
November 14, 2020
There has NEVER been āfrictionless tradeā. Maybe only you and Boris donāt know this fact?
November 13, 2020
You are wrong.
November 13, 2020
As they become a diminishing power in the world, (and their share of world trade is reducing) so a revitalised free UK will emerge and grow,
November 14, 2020
Edward 2
the developed world’s past of world trade has been diminishiing as part of wordl tarde for many years and this includes US, Canda and Australia.
THe story of Britain is the same and the trend will continue, even if our trade grow with other nations.
So, what you have written as usual makes little sense.
November 15, 2020
Good excuse bill.
But a truly dynamic EU should not show long term reduction in its share of world trade.
Especially as it has grown to 28 members.
Those extra nations should improve the figure.
But they have not.
November 13, 2020
Martin.
Europe is such a success that it’s just lost one of its best members.
You called us racists. The most offensive thing you can say to anyone these days.
Which is why you’re now enjoying Brexit or the denial of Brexit.
Either way. You’re getting free rent in my head and wasting so much time on this blog site when you should be enjoying retirement.
Today I did 13 chin ups with a 10k sandbag around my waist. I did 50 70k deadlifts and 60 40k squats and I did it thinking of you and Andy.
You’re both such great motivation for me.
November 14, 2020
Joe Wicks?
November 17, 2020
No Wicles would have put it on the tele. Self publicist
November 13, 2020
Exactly – but what does the Boris/Symonds partnership have planned on Brexit? We already know they want to piss Ā£millions down the drain on job destroying subsidies for expensive and damaging green crap and ever more laws & green crap red (or is it green?) tape.
November 13, 2020
Will Rashford get say too on policy as well as Carrie?
November 13, 2020
Suggest you read articles in Con Woman today on Fake Tory spending. It is depressing. All the facts clearly demonstrate this is NOT a Conservative govt or has been for the last ten years. Their record in govt on the economy is horrendous.
Read the article in Con Woman about decree by MSM and Social media companies telling you what the truth is. Then read the article how Wiltshire Council disciplined Mrs Douglas for daring to have a thought of her own against the accepted woke left view that Fake Tories feel they must uphold.
State intervention is becoming a detriment to our way of life. Selecting people on minority quotas rather than ability, you must accept group think of minority causes, double standards of law enforcement show this will be the case and you will comply. The rotten BBC to impose the states (Fake Tory Govt.) Marxist cultural agenda is real.
November 14, 2020
Will take a look.
November 13, 2020
Lifelogic, For Brexit – we still don’t know for sure. Even though it is only 48 days to go! Some planning, eh? But it is looking increasingly likely it will be a capitulation. Again. To add to all the other sell outs our establishment has accomplished over the last half century.
November 13, 2020
I don’t think Cummings going has anything to do with Brexit, an issue that was essentially settled at the last election. Neither do I think Cummings was standing against the ‘damaging green crap’. I think whatever changes are coming are a matter of style, not substance. This is no more than an intra-factional dispute resulting from personality clashes. It is as messy as it is because Johnson is devoid of substance, blown hither and thither by the merest breath of wind.
November 14, 2020
Simeon, A storm in a tea-cup? That seems an extraordinarily optimistic view of the departure of the most senior Leave advisor.
November 14, 2020
Being the brains behind the Vote Leave campaign and being a proper Brexiter are not necessarily the same thing. Government handling of the Brexit process has been an establishment stitch up from the day after the referendum. Either Cummings participated in this, or he was happy to leave it to others. Whichever, his going makes no difference to Brexit, or Brino as it is.
Cummings was interested in civil service reform (which is necessary, though Cummings’ plans were predictably silly), and state-driven technology and data. There will likely be much less emphasis placed on these, which, as someone who values my freedom, cannot be a bad thing.
November 14, 2020
If Johnson appointed his girlfriend’s friend as the main spokesperson for the Leave campaign when she is from the biased BBC and Guardian and both are Remainers, is it surprising that there will be differences of opinion? Now that it has come to s head and the women objected to the appointment of Leaver civil servants, Johnson has made his choice and undermined his own negotiating position.
As soon as the news came of the sacking, radio stations had Tory Remainer MPs, even Grieve, supporting the move. They used the same language of “reset and fresh start, accusations of upsetting civil servants, and repeating the accusations about the trip to his home in the North when Cummings and his wife caught the virus ‘ This is untrue, as the regulations did allow travel to protect children and vulnerable people and there was no limit to distance. This has the appearance of an organised Remain plot.
November 13, 2020
Hundreds of Billions
November 13, 2020
Interesting comment on Conservative Woman, What Carrie wants, Carrie gets
So now we know where the Greencrap is coming from, so we know whoās in charge of the government, Iād have voted for the Green Party if thatās what I wanted.
A zillion square miles of the ocean are now protected but Great Britain is rapidly going down the pan
November 13, 2020
My comment is awaiting moderation, what a joke you are!
November 13, 2020
Sorry!
November 13, 2020
Sir,
Iām in agreement with your proposal, most of us did not want any deal in the first place as we are sick of listening to the nasty remarks from eu spokesmen like Verhofstadt and Barnier , I ām sure Barney will not find a level playing field anywhere in the eu and definately non in France.
Time now to follow our forefathers and stride out and make money worldwide.
November 13, 2020
Mike D, So true.
November 14, 2020
Mike Durrans
“Time now to follow our forefathers and stride out and make money worldwide.”
The trouble with this scenario is that we ditched the very people we now hope to trade with. When we joined the EU we cancelled our trade with Australia and New Zealand overnight bankrupting lamb exporters/producers and dairy farmers. They had to look east for new markets and are not likely to ditch them for our sakes.
And with Biden in the White House any trade deals will depend on our dealings with Ireland.
And to think we had it all and threw it away. But maybe Carrie will ride to the rescue?
November 14, 2020
I don’t ever recall voting Ms Symonds into power. Be in no doubt, though, the fragrant Ms Symonds is just as ruthless as Mr Cummings, she’ll simply strike with full force whilst wearing an angelic smile on her face.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 14, 2020
I donāt recall ever voting for any special adviser. Did you vote for Mr Cummings or Cain? Mr A. Campbell? or Alan Walters? or John Redwood in 1982?
Have any of you any historical perspective? or are you more likely just flotsam moved around in the daily news cycle? (And taking yourself too seriously …)
November 14, 2020
Advisors advise.
Ministers decide.
November 14, 2020
Margaret H, And yet you advised us to ditch our friends and embrace our enemies! You still do.
November 14, 2020
+1 yes, āclutch the serpent to your breast…ā
November 14, 2020
NickC
Just because she disagrees with you the answer is no it is not teh case
November 13, 2020
It is naĆÆve to believe the EU wants any sort of trade deal with the UK, regardless of the damage it will do to some sectors of the EU economy.
These whole negotiations have focused on the EU controlling the internal commerce, rules and laws that govern the every day live of the people in the UK. From the information and pronouncements we hear the likes of Barnier, the UK is Sovereign as long as the EU makes the laws and disciplines the people of the UK. One of his team is famous for saying(thinking he was off camera) after May signed the WA ‘the UK is our colony now.’
The UK will only take back control when it ensure a ‘clean break’ from the EU. That is all that was proposed in the referendum and that is all anyone voted for. This Government is taking a wreaking ball to the wishes of the people and frankly like everything else of late they don’t seem to care.
November 14, 2020
The only clean break I am expecting is from the Tory party by the British people. If democracy doesn’t work then how do we get what we want as a nation?
November 14, 2020
I hear Brexit party support is soaring.
November 14, 2020
We are all thinking the same thing I suspect.
November 14, 2020
It is 100 per cent false to claim that a āclean breakā from the EU was what was proposed in the referendum. Every single leader of the leave campaign – Farage, Gove, DuncanSmith, Hannan, davis – said explictly that we would not leave the single market and that trade with the EU would be as easy as it is now.
reply Not true. Both sides agreed we would leAve the single market and customs union.
November 14, 2020
James P, On one interview with Andrew Marr, Prime Minister David Cameron said 28 times that Leave means leaving the EU’s single market. All the leading politicians agreed that we would no longer be members but, like the rest of the world, maintain access under WTO rules. The Remain campaign even had a campaign about it, likening us to Albania after Leave. What was the point of you lying about this?
November 14, 2020
Leave won, Nick. Not Remain. So it doesn’t matter what Remainers said, whatever they said was rejected by the British people. The British people voted for Leave. And what did they say? That only a madman would leave the single market – Owen Paterson. That no one is talking about leaving the single market – Dan Hannan. that we will be like Norway – Farage . That we would have the exact same benefits after Brexit – David Davis. You accuse me of lying, but i don’t say the same about you. I just wish you would open your eyes and see how the Leavers are now trying to rewrite history as Brexit’s failures are exposed
November 14, 2020
Come on, you know as well as I did Owen didnāt say that and that that quote like the others was selectively cut and pasted by James McGrory, see the interview with Andrew Neil if you donāt believe me.
November 14, 2020
And people accuse Brexiteers of lying! You are lying through your teeth! Cameron and Osborne l, to name but two of the leading Remainers, said very explicitly that a vote to leave meant LEAVING THE SINGLE MARKET.
You will not get away with attempting to rewrite history here, matey!
November 13, 2020
agreed.
lets hope if happens.
if not the real people are going to be very cheesed off with the political class and senior public sector.
November 13, 2020
Good post, and just finished watching you on Unlocked! Thanks for your positivity and enthusiasm.
Iām sick of emailing my MP, but Iāll keep at it to keep on the pressure!
November 13, 2020
“Iām sick of emailing my MP, but Iāll keep at it to keep on the pressure!”
Better off biding your time…..then pounce on your MP when he / she least expects it.
November 13, 2020
Twas only yesterday I remarked that there were signs the Conservative Party wanted any distance between them and this disaster they could get .
No Deal is not the end – The bad feeling will go on. The simplest act of cooperation will be impossible and we will discover it is not only Brexit’s bitter old men who are capable of malice. We can expect on going ill will from Europe as well . False teeth may be spat out , here , but the people on whom the country depends have no interest in a pointless battle that benefits no-one and we cannot afford it anyway.
November 13, 2020
Newmania, The problem has been the continuing malice from the EU – “how dare they leave?!!” You have never produced one single reason why the UK cannot be independent of the EU like the majority of nations on the planet.
November 13, 2020
Trouble is we are now ruled by Carrie Symonds who no one elected.
It would seem she is instrumental in removing VoteLeave so Boris can be skidded into accepting a rubbish deal.
If he gives a millimetre to Brussels a leadership campaign must begin immediately.
We are 50 days from exit and most people are expecting a massive U turn.
With Farage on manoeuvres you must know that any betrayal will be the end of the Tory Party for generations
Boris wanted a Churchillian legacy but it looks more like Lord Halifax.
November 13, 2020
Ian,
Sammi Wilson made the Lord Halifax point in parliament. It is clear for all to see.
Suggest JR, IDS and others get Johnson’s feet to the fire ASAP. He will run or cave in to the EU.
November 13, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
Nowhere near Halifax – this is a ānovelā PM who has failed on an unprecedented scale.
November 15, 2020
It is Tory voters who failed worse though.
Your willingness to believe the preposterous nonsense spouted by Johnson et al during the election shows very clearly that you would do the country a favour by staying our of things into which you clearly have no insight.
November 14, 2020
I’m not expecting a U turn. I am of course afraid that Brexit may be Brino, but the signs are promising that the eurocracy will act in the best interests of the 27 and agree a FTA. If not we will do what we in the UK do best, we will survive, move on and thrive doing trade with the rest of the world, including the USA. Yes, the USA, one thing about the USA is that it is all about business, and businesses do trade.
November 13, 2020
I have never expected anything but letdown from Boris, so not surprised at turn of events or the scale of ultimate Brexit betrayal.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
So many of the establishment and the EU of course are looking at the news and speculation and seeing a change of direction from the UK government. It has been a long fight but they see it as a sign that the people should have no say in how they are governed – ruled by the ‘elite’ was always the only option.
November 13, 2020
Agree totally john. Perhaps if Boris got Brexit out of the way he could concentrate on Covid and the economy. I see the UK Reform party has plenty of applicants to stand in the local elections. Buck up Boris.
November 13, 2020
Good evening.
We are going from bad to worse. The Johnson administration is slowly unravelling and predictions that he will be gone in the New Year (jumps or is pushed) do not seem far fetched.
Time to start looking around for a new leader ? This time, I suggest you choose a ‘real conservative’.
November 13, 2020
Time for the public to switch to Farage. He will not win any seats – but it is a long game now and the Conservative party probably deserve to be destroyed now, like the Whigs and Liberals in previous eras.
A worthwhile new party could then emerge in due course.
Labour is already split. Traditional Labour will go with the Corbyn faction and an ineffective Blairite rump will limp on under Keir Starmer. Neither will gain any traction.
November 13, 2020
Johnson’s spending makes Corbyns look like loose change!
He has racked up more debt from Napolean wars to when Blaire came to office in 11 months! 800 years in 11 months! Tax Arizona n already at record highs before this.
November 13, 2020
It was time to switch to Farage last summer, but he then retreated, leaving the country to the mercy of the Tories. I am far from convinced that Farage and Reform are the answer, though they are better than anything else on offer.
But you are right about it being a long game. Sadly, given the timidity of the general public, it may be a very long game, short of a cataclysmic collapse of the economy.
November 13, 2020
No chance! Farage is not as competent as Boris.
November 14, 2020
Perhaps not, Lynn, but at least he’s got some competent people from the business world around him. Never has the amateur status of Parliament been more glaringly obvious, than now. The country’s facing crisis after crisis, yet MPs can’t even be bothered to remove their smug faces from their smartphones to pretend they’re interested in the debate or persuaded by alternative arguments…….and they wonder why we don’t feel represented.
November 14, 2020
He’s quite good at making paper planes, according to MEPs, I hear.
November 13, 2020
+1 lifelong, Brexiteer, a man of substance. Even so it will take a superhuman effort to salvage the situation as the Tory Party really is on the Whig slide.
November 13, 2020
Lynn
Trouble with Farage is he’s no good in a fight. Last time he got virtually the whole country behind him……but still ran away.
” the Tory Party really is on the Whig slide.”
Slide ?……it’s dead !
November 14, 2020
Yes Iām sorry (really!) to say Farage would be an even greater disappointment than Boris. He has never actually had a job. His Dad gave him a job āin the cityā trading scrap metal. I mean, a joke. Then he learned the Brexit lines and has learned nothing since.
Trump for instance, has run a successful empire – its second nature to him. JR won a first, I mean actually earned it rather than had one given to him, and he progressed from there. So many are retarded at the point they achieve an Oxbridge degree. Old children!
Tory party really is on life-support. Mess up Brexit and itās over. Deliver WTO Brexit, JR in Downing St, the whole rag tag and bobtail of Borisā crew out on their ear and they stand a chance. Boy they are going to have to work for the chance. But JR has what it takes to halve the State Sector. Heās done it before in Wales. He has the recipe to get the economy going. It will save all our houses, businesses and investments, it will give our children half a chance at earning a decent life.
Please help get JR into Downing St for all our sakes! If we lose that itās a whole new ballgame and the elitists are not going to like it. And as Powell predicted, āThe People will winā.
November 13, 2020
And you’d be happy that neither the people nor Parliament would have any say over who that new PM would be, it seems.
And yet you say that the European Union has a “democratic deficit”.
November 13, 2020
When did “the people” elect Sir Keir Starmer as Labour leader? Leaders are elected by their parties, Martin.
November 13, 2020
Tory members vote for the leader, the entire electorate voted the Conservative party into power. Who voted for Ursula?
November 14, 2020
Lynn Atkinson
Who voted for Carrie?
November 14, 2020
Margaret H, No one is pretending that Carrie was democratically elected, but you continue to believe Ursula was.
November 14, 2020
Where is the proof or evidence that Carrie is in charge of anything? If you have it provide it and then we get rid of her āallegedā influence. This is getting ridiculous now and what I donāt understand is why the actual Conservative Party MPs the people that were elected are letting this narrative get maliciously spread by people like you and the media.
November 14, 2020
The European Parliament voted for Ursula. A Parliament that reprersents 400 million people
November 14, 2020
She was enthroned without any opposition.
November 14, 2020
There is no āEuropean Parliamentā. A Parliament can propose, enact, amend and repeal laws. The āEU Parliamentā cannot! There is not one parliament in the whole EU. A lot of āassembliesā retained to provide ājobs for the boysā.
Now, that is a 100% Democratic deficit.
November 13, 2020
How and why would the unconservative Conservative Party elect a conservative leader? Farage and his party may not inspire confidence, but the Conservative Party is the single largest obstacle to the radical change this country now needs after at least 75 years of awful government (Thatcher’s time being an exception, albeit a heavily qualified one); it’s a zombie party sucking up political capital that would be far more efficiently invested elsewhere.
November 14, 2020
To keep their seats. They need to understand that 9% was their baseline, not an anomaly.
November 13, 2020
Good evening.
We are going from bad to worse. The Johnson administration is slowly unravelling and predictions that he will be gone in the New Year (jumps or is pushed) do not seem far fetched.
Time to start looking around for a new leader ? This time, I suggest you choose a ‘real conservative’.
November 13, 2020
“This time, I suggest you choose a āreal conservativeā.”
All gone mate.
November 14, 2020
It’ll be Gove the snake or Sunak the communist.
November 14, 2020
Gove who idiotically wanted 20% VAT on Private School Fees (to kill some good school and force more people to burden the state for education) and Sunak who keeps being described as āgenerousā because he gives Ā£billions of other peopleās money away or pisses it down the drain on green crap, HS2, Stonehenge and the likes. Sunakās first act was to cut entrepreneurās relief (to 10% of what it was) this so as to deter job creation, hard work, wealth creation and to damage the economy.
November 14, 2020
The odds of this are rather slim as 90% of Conservative MPs are LibDims at best and they are largely the electorate who choose the last two for the members.
November 13, 2020
I agree wholeheartedly.
November 13, 2020
Absolutely correct. The concern has to be that Johnson would rather the Vote Leave folks resign now that do so after he climbs down and agrees to a very bad deal. If Johnson does that then he is going to suffer the same collapse in the polls that did for Theresa May. We need back bone now and to see how the EU reacts when it dawns on them that they will be paying tariffs on their enormous trade surplus and lose all fishing rights.
November 13, 2020
The EU wont be paying any tariffs. Importers and therefore British consumers pay tariffs. Please try to understand how very very harmful no deal Brexit will be
November 13, 2020
Exporters effectively pay tariffs by reducing their prices so that their goods remain competitive in their target market.
November 13, 2020
The EU will pay Ā£13billion more in tariffs to the U.K. than we pay to them because they sell Ā£90 billion more to us pa than we sell to them. Did you not know that?
November 14, 2020
Lynn, the EU will not pay one penny to the UK. Importers and consumers pay tariffs, as you have been correctly told
November 14, 2020
The EU exporters will have to absorb the tariff by cutting their āprofit marginā by the rate of the tariff or they will sell nothing in the U.K. we will buy cheaper and better goods.
November 13, 2020
Keino, But we already have to pay the EU’s current tariffs on imports, and then give the EU 80% of the tariffs collected, to compound the cheek. However as an independent nation we would set our import tariffs to suit ourselves, not the EU. And benefit directly from the collected tariffs. And set them lower than the EU’s. So no deal would be best for us (but admittedly bad for the EU).
November 13, 2020
And those tariffs on imports will be set by the UK government who will collect the money. Please try to understand how tariffs work.
November 13, 2020
Sir John. Us Brexiteers who voted to leave the EU. They did not vote for an agreement that kept us in any way tied to the EU that includes the ECJ. We have waited for 4 long years to be free of the shackles. I hope we are not let down at the last moments. Get us out now. No agreement necessary. I have always said any agreement with the EU no matter how small will allow the EU to impose their will. Get out of the talks now.
November 13, 2020
How is the UK to fly planes over the European Union, drive trucks on its roads, or dock at its ports, with no agreement to do these things?
Do even begin to think through anything at all?
November 13, 2020
How is the EU to fly planes over UK airspace, dock at our ports, or drive trucks to/from the ROI? These things can be handled by reciprocal individual agreements and do not need to be rolled into one grand treaty.
November 13, 2020
All these small agreements have been agreed already, else how would the EU (Ireland) drive its trucks on our roads and dock in our ports?
November 13, 2020
MiC
“How is the UK to fly planes over the European Union”
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I am now convinced you know very little, if anything at all.
November 13, 2020
Martin, The 1944 Convention on International Civil Aviation (āChicago Conventionā) is the regulatory framework for international civil aviation. Not the EU. How do you suppose the whole of the rest of the world manages to fly, without the EU’s helping hand?
Trucks can be easily managed with a simple bi-lateral agreement. Their trucks here, our trucks there. Again, how do you suppose the rest of the world manages?
Seriously none of these things are difficult, and they’ve all been done before, and are in operation around the world. None of these things requires an EU government.
November 13, 2020
Likewise for EU planes etc.
November 13, 2020
We did all those things before the EU existed.
Are you telling us the EU will force its European nations to do what you claim?
Maybe these European nations will tell the EU to leave them alone
November 13, 2020
Thatās proper fearmongering, that is. By your reckoning, if we leave with no deal, trade with the EU will cease. If you seriously believe that, you need help.
November 14, 2020
Great, the RAF will not be able to patrol over Ireland.
November 14, 2020
Ireland need to stump up its 2% to NATO, the RAF patrol for free and they should be grateful.
November 14, 2020
Nobody is grateful for anything they get free. They hate you for providing it.
November 14, 2020
These threats Martin, why when you think your side is winning?
If this attack on the UK carries on how do you think Europe will cope if the people start to fight back even if the government wonāt. We donāt have to buy products from Europe or Ireland, we donāt have to play nice all the time as we always do. Ireland obtained its Independence but didnāt pay a price nor were they told they couldnāt fly over the RUK or travel on the contrary they were given a pass and we are their biggest export market!
Why do you think all the refugees flee France, France who the UN allows to get away with keeping these people in tents in mud and in old offices and inadequate buildings squatting without sufficient sanitary conditions. It seems only the UK has to play by all the rules in your World.
November 13, 2020
Of course the reality is that any deal is better than no deal. No deal is simply not sustainable as a long term option.
Whilst there are a dwindling number of what can only be described as Brexit extremists most people will simply not put up with the inconvenience of your Brexit.
They did not expect higher prices or masses of extra paperwork or huge additional hassles just to travel. They voted leave because they wanted fewer foreigners.
By 2030 it will be hard to find anyone who will admit to voting for Brexit and the main perpetrators will be safely retired in their cells.
November 13, 2020
Depends what the deal is.
If it is good then fine.
November 13, 2020
Sadly, lying to the public is perfectly legal in England, the High Court has ruled, Andy.
Furthermore, a person is entitled to rely on the law as it is, and civilised countries do not make retrospective criminal law.
So unless as yet undiscovered crimes by certain people exist under current law, no one will be going to prison over their appalling conduct in bringing about brexit.
November 13, 2020
MiC
“no one will be going to prison over their appalling conduct in bringing about brexit.”
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And unfortunately no one will be going to jail for trying to stop it, what with your idol B.liar having scrapped the treason laws.
No problem though….the majority who voted for brexit will find you and your ilk guilty of treason, when the reckoning comes.
November 13, 2020
No, Martin, the High Court said no such thing.
November 13, 2020
WTO works.
November 13, 2020
“Of course the reality is that any deal is better than no deal”
Spoken by one who kneels.
November 13, 2020
Andy. Have a go at explaining why prices will be higher.
November 13, 2020
Andy, We already have no trade deal with countries such as the USA and Australia and India, and most of the RoW. So of course no deal with the EU is viable and sustainable. But the reason that no deal is best is that it precludes EU control over us – which is, after all, the whole point of voting Leave.
You should get over this peculiar mindset you have where the world begins and ends with the EU. The EU is our least important trade partner (By UK GDP: UK c70%; RoW c18%; EU c12%).
November 13, 2020
The Vote Leave departures from No. 10 signal a massive change of emphasis. You must be as concerned as the rest of the 17.4 million now.
I gave Boris the benefit of the doubt after his Downing St speech, I voted for much of what he said, Levelling Up was a worthy cause, but hoped that he wasn’t another closet Liberal like the Change UK crowd. But now I’m really concerned that a BRINO is on the cards. It’s a disaster.
November 13, 2020
Only a minority of the 17 million are obsessed, hate-filled fanatics.
Most of them just voted on balance with mixed feelings.
They won’t be that bothered what is agreed. They just want a quiet life and the fewest problems when they go on holiday.
November 14, 2020
Martin, That was not my experience delivering thousands of leaflets for Leave and talking to hundreds of people. All of the Leave voters were quietly resolute. It was the intending Remain voters who were equivocal, with the majority of them admitting the EU needed reform. There was literally only a couple of Remain fanatics like you, prepared to destroy this nation and our democracy for the EU’s benefit.
November 14, 2020
Only a minority of the 16 million are obsessed, hate filled fanatics.
Most of them just voted remain on balance with mixed feelings.
They won’t be bothered what is agreed. They just want a quiet life and the fewest problems when they go on holiday.
November 14, 2020
Most voted Remain because by hey weāre terrified by the Remain lies just as loads of people cower at home to avoid CV19, lied to again.
Once they know they were fooled, they will be seriously angry.
November 13, 2020
The Prime Windbag is now without the man who propelled him to office and helped him win a big majority. Such, it seems, is the petticoat power in the Johnson government. I did not vote for Symonds or Stratton, alleged powers behind the PM throne.
The Conservative party needs to find a new leader and fast before Johnson screws up Brexit – on which he was elected.
November 13, 2020
+1 the members need to put together the shortlist.
November 13, 2020
Sounds like yet another coup d’Ć©tat, by a little clique, in a representationally dysfunctional, insular, eccentric, post-relevant country.
November 14, 2020
talking about Wales like that is not very kind!
November 14, 2020
And yet still more democratic than the EU, Martin.
November 13, 2020
Oldtimer, You are right – no more screw-ups on Brexit – the establishment have fooled us once too often.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 15, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
It doesnāt look good. I fear Boris has already forgotten why we voted him and his MPs into power.
November 13, 2020
Oh, was there that question on the ballot papers?
I seem to have missed it.
November 13, 2020
You miss a lot, Martin. Please try and catch up.
November 13, 2020
Let’s put it this way.
There was a very clear way to vote it you wanted to Remain.
Every single vote has been to leave the EU since the referendum.
November 13, 2020
:And anyone who didn’t vote effectively voted for Leave too. Because that was the direction of flow at the time.
November 14, 2020
Also voted to get the referendum. Those were also majority Leave votes because the rest did not need a referendum, being content with the status quo.
November 13, 2020
Of course you missed it.
You wouldn’t see it if it hit you into your face at a hundred miles an hour.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
It looks as if these two have been pushed out by forces which want the opposite of what you are recommending. Let us hope it is not so. At any rate, Mr Cain may have found it difficult to contemplate working with the new Guardian Woman.
I derived comfort this afternoon from watching the Lords debate on the Internal Market Bill. Lord True seems as good as his name. But my goodness what a lot of remainiac wreckers he is wrestling with in there, four to one. If he is representative of the Cabinet Office as a whole, then all is not lost. It was good to see the new cross party Brexiteers out in strength, Lady Fox, Lady Hoey, and Lord Dodds among them. they had the most intelligent and convincing arguments. How dare these remainiacs hold forth on the importance of the law being upheld when they have so often turned a blind eye to its being broken before, not just by the EU but at home. And how can they be so impervious to that old fashioned notion, the National Interest? Here they are again, trying to cut off the PM’s legs mid negotiation.
November 14, 2020
Great post, Rose!
November 13, 2020
Boris is intending to betray Brexit and he will do it happily.
November 13, 2020
I have long since given in on brexit
November 14, 2020
I will NEVER give in on Brexit. After 47 years you think we should cave in the last week?
November 15, 2020
Yes.
November 13, 2020
The fact that this disaster has happened at all demonstrates that Boris is no longer in control, but is being manipulated by the Remain establishment, as Theresa May was.
November 15, 2020
nick c
you are guessing
November 13, 2020
Perhaps Mr Frost is now taking direction from Carrie or Allegra.
God help us.
Prepare to run up a white flag.
November 13, 2020
Blairism yet again.
November 13, 2020
The rats are leaving the sinking ship. Cummings want to be out and forgotten before the reality of no-deal hit in January 2021.
I cannot wait to see our host blame it all on the French.
November 13, 2020
Please God you are right! Looking forward to the WTO deal and Cummings always said he would go once Brexit was secured.
November 13, 2020
Either that or doing a runner before the excrement contacts the ventilation apparatus.
Either way he’s left the rest of us paying a large bill for his treatment of Sonia Khan. I would like to see that come out of his own pocket, but sadly that is not possible.
November 13, 2020
“I cannot wait to see our host blame it all on the French.”
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And he’d be right to if he did.
November 14, 2020
No. Our enemies have always been in Westminster.
November 13, 2020
Tabulazero, Unfortunately the Remain rats are taking over – that’s why our ship is sinking.
November 13, 2020
Afraid the so called resignations at No 10 of two major prominent Brexit supporters is a concern given no decision/agreement has been reached as yet.
Could perhaps understand it once our position with the Eu has been set in stone and we know where we are, but beforehand ?
That’s a worry, and a concern. !
Is a sell out on its way, (even already agreed) ?
Aware Mr Cummings especially was perhaps a difficult personality to get on with, but he asked the necessary awkward questions, and posed some sensible if not comfortable answers, which is a welcome change from the normally employed yes men.
I guess we now wait and see what is proposed for the new set up, and who is going to be put in place.
Think the only people likely to be happy are the Civil Service.
November 13, 2020
And the Remainers.
November 13, 2020
Well, that’s about fifty million people these days Lynn.
Some “only” eh?
November 13, 2020
No, Martin, about 56 million of us are for Brexit. Which beats you mere 50 million Remains. Using your “logic”.
November 13, 2020
Not according to election and referendum results.
Where people actually make a mark in their millions rather than answer polls in their thousands.
November 13, 2020
How do you get your 50 million claim?
November 13, 2020
You need to speak to ‘er indoors. She’s the one running the country now, in an unelected capacity of course though of course we’ll be expected to pick up the cost for the frivolities and fashions are these irrelevances
November 13, 2020
Having got rid of Cummings we all know what a kinder gentler Government means, drift, lack of purpose, an establishment stitch up. We saw it after Major usurped Mrs Thatcher, and after that the Conservatives went down to a record electoral defeat.
You really think we are going to tolerate the Marxist green garbage, a client state, and probably capitulation to the EU?
November 13, 2020
Dear Mr Redwood, should the unthinkable happen and Brexit is sabotaged and it is looking very dodgy from where I am standing what can the millions of leavers do about it? If the PM decides to jump ship do we just shrug our shoulders and let it go .We need advice Mr Redwood our world has gone mad,
November 13, 2020
Enter stage right Nigel Farage and Reform.
November 13, 2020
Apparently 3000 people are candidates for UK Reform party. All those constituents up north are probaby wondering why they voted Conservative. They trusted your party John to deliver a true Brexit. If Boris reneges on that your party will never get their support again. I hope they turn to Farage.
November 13, 2020
We can join a different Party and hope for the best. The only Party, of course is Nigel Farage’s new Party and hope that Fox et al will rally round.
November 13, 2020
That now looks quite possible. Not only that but Boris is now full of green expensive energy lunacy and has a tax, borrow and piss down the drain Chancellor and a policy of locking down the economy when deaths each day are entirely within the normal range.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
You could all emigrate.
Use some imagination.
November 13, 2020
That would be all your productive class.
Not your arts graduates.
Wanted Down Under never shows any demand for Criminology, Diversity or PPE graduates. And those that go say “At last. Quality time with the family.”
So who’s going to keep you warm and service your car, Martin ?
November 13, 2020
And if we did, Martin, how long do you think a country which claims to be democratic, but fails to honour a democratic vote, will last? It is a slippery slope which will not benefit even you in the long run.
November 13, 2020
lol they just faked a pandemic of course their not going to honour Brexit
November 14, 2020
The only people who have sabotaged Brexit are the Brexiters. If they had advanced a credible plan in 2016, Brexit would be done long ago . But instead they claimed that Brexit would involve no loss of access to EU markets but complete freedom for the UK to set its own rules. Unrealistic nonsense, but that is why we are living in this complete shambles – because the Brexiters never had a proper plan that could survive in the real world. You’re right to be angry Eleanor but be angry with the people who mis-sold you this false Brexit
Reply More Remain lies. I always said we wanted to leave the single market and customs union
November 14, 2020
Yet when I, and others, said that the EU would not give us a good deal because the EU is vindictive and corrupt, and would put politics first, it was Remains like you in the forefront claiming the EU was our friend, and how dare I.
November 13, 2020
Dear Sir John–“December’s” issue of Current Archaeology refers to “long-standing links between the Brigantes and the Roman World, with goods being imported at least as early as the Claudian conquest of AD 43”. I don’t understand: how could that be without a Free Trade Agreement?
November 13, 2020
I like that!
November 13, 2020
Absolutely correct, but who are the unelected advisors now running 10 Downing Street. Is it not overdue that the will of the people, via their elected representatives, imposed the views you express on number 10. The knowledge that less than you suggest will not get through Parliament and will hazard the future of the conservative party might concentrate minds at number 10.
November 13, 2020
Nothing should get in the way of leaving with a genuine Brexit whether on WTO terms or – much less likely – via an Agreement.
However, the two departures signal the removal of two important advisers with the resolve and backbone to deliver it.
Now the talk is of resets and green issues. Not what Brexiteers want to hear but music to the ears of the EU.
A cynic might see it as a carefully choreographed Deus Ex Machina to bring the whole saga to an unhappy end. Not that Boris would be clever enough to initiate it all. Others would do that.
November 13, 2020
Wow you sound nervous! All going wrong isnāt it. Nobodyās fault but yours, you claimed Brexit would be milk and honey, you were utterly unrealistic, now those chickens are coming home to roost. Project truth, Brexit fiasco
November 13, 2020
Oh, for the chance to actually LEAVE the EU and find out whether it is ‘milk and honey’ or not. Besides there is also the value of freedom to be considered, when the American colonists decided to leave the British Empire do you think it was instant milk and honey?
November 13, 2020
OI
You can’t blame people for being betrayed and lied to.
November 13, 2020
The only thing we are nervous about is NOT getting a CLEAN Brexit! Another Remainer with comprehension problems.
November 14, 2020
Lynn Atkinson
Comprehension probalems? that is rather steep coming from you
November 14, 2020
Well Bull I,don’t understand āproblemsā certainly.
November 14, 2020
BB, indeed, The other day our dear Lynn advertised a contribution by Prof Arthur Noble to a website she recommends from time to time. Being curious I read it and soon realised that the ācontributionā of the distinguished professor is only in quoting another person, specifically Willy Wimmerās contributions on Sputnik and RussiaToday. I also did research on some academic websites and had to conclude that the prof, now retired, has not left an indelible mark on ālearned/academicā websites.
The Sputnik and RT connections filled me with an unending hilarity when remembering some of Lynnās comments about the EU27 and Chancellor Merkel taking the dime from Putin.
Even more hilarious (and/0r incompetent) is the illustration on the FreeNations website featuring a picture of three Russian MiG-29 aircrafts with five soldiers carrying AK-74 assault rifles to illustrate āBidenās Democrats reputationā. It was to roll on the floor thinking that the same picture had been used by DJT to support āOur troopsā in the recent past, a feature almost immediately commented upon by MailOnLine (Joe Davis) on 15/09/2020 pointing out the asinine use of such a picture.
Oh well, keep on going Lynn, youāre good at providing laughs.
November 13, 2020
Four years stuck in the cat flap by Remainers.
November 15, 2020
Brexiters never claimed leaving the EU would be “milk and honey”.
They claimed that the major benefit to us would be the ability to be able to influence our laws and policies (trade, fiscal, taxation, energy, environmental, foreign, military, immigration etc.) through retaining the right to elect and remove those who make these decisions.
The only argument that the Remainers had and still push is that it is worth selling our future freedom, democracy and sovereignty for a few pieces of silver today.
November 13, 2020
The sovereingty clause binds the UK. It is of no relevance to the EU because it is not in the Withdrawal Agreement. A hard rain is coming for the ERG
November 13, 2020
Binds…what is this amazing thing you talk of?
November 13, 2020
The EU committed to agreeing a FTA in the WA. Where is it? Surely these paragons have not reneged and rendered the WA void?
November 14, 2020
It did not, Lynn. Nothing in the WTA commits the EU (or the UK) to agree a FTA. It commits both to try to negotiate one. as barnier and Frost are doing now
November 14, 2020
And if it fails to create a FTA the Withdrawal Agreement also fails.
November 14, 2020
Garbage, Garland. The WA explicitly refers to the future relationship, the framework of which is explicitly referenced to the political declaration (PD) which in turn specifies “this declaration establishes the parameters of an ambitious, broad, deep and flexible partnership across trade and economic cooperation with a comprehensive and balanced Free Trade Agreement at its core“. I wish it didn’t – because WTO is much better for us.
November 14, 2020
And if not then WTO.
November 13, 2020
Len Peel, The EU said it would respect UK sovereignty. We’re waiting . . . . .
November 13, 2020
Sir JR
We still have a little time, let us try and make the best of the negotiations, whilst they are still going on.
November 13, 2020
Well yes bill I agree.
But if two sides cannot agree then what do you suggest.
November 13, 2020
Edward2
“But if two sides cannot agree then what do you suggest.”
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The two sides don’t have to agree, here’s how it works –
The UK liberates france from tyranny, at cost of countless UK lives. The UK votes to leave the EU…..we don’t take kindly to being threatened by countries the UK sacrificed blood for to liberate and give them their freedom.
We do not need to, and should not, be sacrificing any sovereignty to the ungrateful french – led EU. Should have let them learn German or Russian as a first language.
We owe them nothing, they owe us.
November 13, 2020
Yes
I agree Steve.
November 14, 2020
+1 we should NEVER have let de Gaul march into Paris first.
November 14, 2020
we should never have kept him in luxury in London during the war.
November 14, 2020
Indeed.
November 13, 2020
bill brown
Why would we be negotiating with countries that threaten us ?
I would have some concerns with your logic, to put it politely.
November 14, 2020
Steve
“they owe us” I think in principle we can all agree on this but three generations later, this is not how negotiations are conducted between independent democracies, so elt us move on.
November 13, 2020
After 6 years of ātalksā Bull? Why do you think āa little timeā is of any significance?
November 14, 2020
Lynn Atkinson
I am pleased to see you are now asking questions instead of unsubstantiated comments
November 14, 2020
Still no answer to my question bill.
If the two sides cannot come to agreement then what would you suggest.
November 14, 2020
Edward 2
They will so I do not need to give you ans answer, but I am impressed that yo are ow asking instead of the usual unsubstantited comments
November 15, 2020
Dodging the request for a reply.
But that is what you do bill.
A few badly typed words of abuse is all you can offer.
November 14, 2020
For which you have no answers, Bill.
November 14, 2020
So whatās the answer Bull?
November 15, 2020
do not worry there will be a deal
November 13, 2020
PS Bull in the U.K. a Knight is called Sir (Christian name). In this case, Sir John.
November 14, 2020
As far as I am concerned a knight is a chess piece or a bloke from history who used to ride a horse wearing a metal suit who did daft things like joust for a ladyās favour. Our so-called honours system is a farce with awards for āservice to musicā and other such nonsense. This is not a fairy tale with knights and princesses šø
November 15, 2020
Lynn Atkinson
there might be a reason for my use of JR
November 13, 2020
Who is running the country, Boris or Carrie? It is most disturbing that so-called “green” policies (which are invariably environmentally and economically disastrous) are reportedly being pushed through at the behest of unelected Carrie Symonds. We’ve been here before, with David Cameron and his Greenpeace activist wife.
November 13, 2020
Someone had better get to her PDQ and explain that we will get far higher environmental and animal welfare standards as a completely independent country.
November 13, 2020
rose
Or just explain what people will do to the conservatives if there is so much as one fish given to the ungrateful french.
November 14, 2020
The European Union only sets minimum standards.
There was never, ever, anything preventing the UK from going above those while it was a member, just as there was nothing stopping it from restricting numbers of Polish people coming here, nor from having blue passports.
November 14, 2020
The EU open borders policy does not allow the UK to refuse EU immigrants.
Surely you know this Martin.
13,000 predicted
650,000 in reality.
November 14, 2020
Neither
November 13, 2020
Obviously THIS was the plan all along.
Ever been had?
BRINO here we come!!
November 13, 2020
If there is no deal the government needs to ensure that those industries that are at immediate risk such as the car industry and others are fully protected to save jobs and remain competitive . The last thing we need is more job loses on top of those that have already been lost. Boris is dealing with a difficult hand at the moment and he’s lost his (Donald)trump card which was going to be his ace.
No deal isn’t the best option, but we have to be treated like a sovereign country and we can’t let the EU punish us just because we are leaving. The government will need to seriously invest in the country to rebuild it after coronavirus and if a no deal happens.
The government needs to be careful how the debt is asked to be repaid, if the people are asked to repay it then it’s game over for the conservatives, the debt can be sold off through gilts and bonds to investors just like previous debt has been managed.
November 13, 2020
well Dom himself has said that the box he was carrying contained the Brexit we voted for.
this political class and senior public sector are an absolute disgrace.
November 13, 2020
Iain Gill
“this political class and senior public sector are an absolute disgrace.”
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They’re also dead men walking.
November 14, 2020
I hope so, but the mechanisms for ordinary people to change it are limited. But I think they will have to find a way. Something like Dom joining Nigel and Laurence Fox and a few others would blow the current political class out of the water at the next election. Something like that needs to happen, we cannot continue with a self selected dross ruling class in all aspects of public life like this forever.
November 14, 2020
You do realise that for every one person that supports the people you mentioned, ten despise them.
November 14, 2020
There is no possibility of anyone joining Nigel. He does not stand for it. The limelight is for him only. Others get to do the work, sometimes of dubious legal standing.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 14, 2020
āthis political class and senior public sector are an absolute disgrace.ā
Spot on! Contemptible, ineffectual and totally unequal to the challenges that now lie before us. The public will no longer put up with this.
November 14, 2020
Remarkable thing, to be able to carry an undefined, unattainable, emotional abstract in a cardboard box…
November 14, 2020
or even the word ETON in a CV.
November 13, 2020
Is it true the EU are now threatening an energy embargo as well? They do seem to be trying every trick to bring about a surrender, and must surely be emboldened by these shenanigans at No. 10. It is reported that even David Frost is āconsidering his positionā. The Conservative Party now owns Brexit. It needs to be made a success or it is Starmer + conceivably Rejoin in 2024 / 25.
November 13, 2020
Several countries would – understandably – veto the UK’s rejoining.
It’s the Norway arrangement, perhaps, the best of all worlds for them, and second best after actual membership for the UK.
November 13, 2020
Better tell your pal Andy who keeps telling us that we will rejoin the EU
November 13, 2020
The news today. Democrats say…
“President Trump. 51% to 49%, ADMIT YOU LOST !”
So. Er. What of our Remainers who have kept us in the cat flap for four and a half years ??? (52% to 48%)
And you smear over half of the population as racists. The worst insult you can cast upon someone. An indictable offence no less.
November 14, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
The Norway arrangement is far from ideal I agree. But note, unlike non-eurozone EU members, they are not on the hook for EU bailouts.
But any country joining would clearly have to join the euro, the EU’s central political project.
November 13, 2020
SJR … We now need to enforce the sovereignty clause in the Withdrawal Act. … No Deal has always been better than a bad deal.
Yes, and yes!
November 13, 2020
Which party will Mr Cummings be enabling?
November 13, 2020
What has happened to the Internal Market Bill?
Today Mr Frost has been instructed to offer the EU more fish.
Boris the Tyrant is clearly intending to betray us all with a Fake Brexit.
Boris is about to destroy The Conservative Party.
November 13, 2020
Richard…
Destroy the party ? He already has for the rank and file aka “the critical mass “
November 14, 2020
How do you know what Frost has been instructed to do?
November 13, 2020
The EU has never negotiated in good faith because Brussels doesn’t do “negotiations.”
It is a dictatorship along the lines of Napoleon. An apt description, considering the similarity in stature between Boneparte and Macron.
We were right to have made efforts to agree a deal, it’s just a pity that we were forced to waste more than two years with Teresa May and a Remainer parliament tying our hands.
No form of deal we could possibly get now is going to be a deal worth having.
All the Johnson government can now do is to ensure that the blame for the failure is laid firmly at the door of the Brussels establishment for its refusal to respect our hard-won sovereignty and Macron’s stupidity in insisting on the status-quo on fishing.
November 13, 2020
So, two of the main men behind Brexit are gone. What could be so bad as to make Cummings throw his mug into a box and head into the sunset? Could it be Boris has prostrated our country before the EU and Cummings said ādo that and I walkā?
Letās hope Dominic is not bound by a gagging clause and reveals all tomorrow.
November 13, 2020
I think Mr. Biden may have something to do with events. Between him and Ms Symonds they have Boris doing what he’s told.
The question is do you keep him in No 10 for Christmas?
November 13, 2020
The best deal you had was when you were one of the 28- but you reap what you sow
November 13, 2020
Sad as that was.
1 in 28… meh.
November 13, 2020
Your maths 1 in 28? Best deal making contributions equal to 19 others. Joker!
November 13, 2020
Marchal, Best for the EU . . . .
November 14, 2020
Nah. That was a crap deal. No deal is much better than a crap deal.
November 16, 2020
The best deal? Who can forecast the future?
What we do know is that UK voters will retain the ability to influence their laws and policies (trade, fiscal, taxation, energy, environmental, foreign, military, immigration etc.) through retaining the right to elect and remove those who make these decisions.
Whilst for those who remain in the EU, where decisions are made by bureaucrats and politicians they did not elect and cannot remove and hence cannot influence, is a journey into the unknown.
Especially with continued enlargement to at least 34 nations and the increasing use of QMV.
November 13, 2020
JR
“The decision of the two Vote Leave advisers to move on must not get in the way of an early end to the talks with the EU”
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It will. Just wait and see. Boris is a puppet, remain traitors will soon be pulling his strings.
The only way I see your party gaining any credibility with leave voters is to oust Boris ASAP and replace him with a true brexiteer, and someone who is not only patriotic but also intelligent enough not to need stupid advisers whom we did elect. Does your party have such a potential leader ? I doubt it.
“We now need to enforce the sovereignty clause in the Withdrawal Act.”
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Why not just rip up the WA and be done ? You’ll have the majority of people on your side, or you can ignore us and find out what wrath feels like.
Simple choice, not rocket science.
November 13, 2020
Boris will regret everything if he bottles out of real Brexit and he knows it.
The Midlands and Northern red wall relied on true Brexit not BRINO.
They see northerner Mr Cummings ejected …
Great Expectations not just Christmas.b
And after 4years wasted by politicians too.
November 13, 2020
Boris will be next “out the door”.
November 13, 2020
ukretired
I do hope so. Enough is enough there is only so much incompetence you can put up with.
November 13, 2020
Brexit or bust not BRINO!
November 14, 2020
+1
November 13, 2020
JR, Well said. Thank you for your clarity and steadfastness.
November 13, 2020
For the last thirty or so years the Conservative Party has been programmed to disappoint. It conserves nothing, fails to reverse left-wing changes made by Labour, and seems incapable of making much needed reforms to organisations like the NHS. I fear that Brexit will be watered down to disappoint, the House of Lords will survive more or less intact, and the worst the BBC will suffer is a little trimming around the edges which will be restored when Labour are re-elected, as they will be.
November 14, 2020
The Conservative Party’s only asset is that it is marginally better than Labour – not a great accolade. If Boris fails in his main task and Labour finds a way of regaining working class trust (not an easy task, admittedly), the Conservatives are heading for trouble.
This might end up being five years of wasted opportunity, never to be repeated if the voting habits of younger people remain the same.
November 13, 2020
The problem with Carrie dismissing Cummings is that Barrier can see that he doesnāt have to offer any concessions, he just has to wait.
November 13, 2020
Clinton/Blair started this cabinet sofa/spin doctor s**e.
The problem with Cummings was that he was as easily replaceable.
It’s over, Sir John. Either you step up or step down.
November 14, 2020
Roy Grainger: Yesterday, was an exceptionally good day for the EU and as you rightly say, they simply need to bide their time while the CS regains its power and the HOL continues its work on behalf of the EU. The undisguised glee expressed by emboldened Remainers at Mr Cummings’ departure has been particularly unedifying. It would appear that Mr Johnson has been beaten by the all-powerful establishment machine and will not be allowed to deliver genuine sovereignty to the people. We can only hope he proves me wrong.
November 13, 2020
I was interested to read earlier today that Mr Johnson’s negotiator Frost has also been contemplating resignation in recent weeks. Add that to the two resignations from No. 10 Downing Street today and the impression is that the government’s leadership is rather less optimistic about the possible outcomes of the negotiation than most of those who post on this site, and of course our host himself. Which makes me wonder why that might me, and what privileged information they may have about those outcomes which isn’t available to the wider public.
November 13, 2020
Re vaccines, the UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency have put out a request for tender.
The MHRA urgently seeks an Artificial Intelligence software tool to process the expected high volume of Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) and ensure that no details from the ADRs reaction text are missed.
They’re expecting high numbers of adverse reactions but they’re still happy to roll it out. Crazy. And Pfizer are absolved from any financial responsibility, it’ll be the tax payer who has to pay for damage to people.
Meanwhile the Royal Society wants to make it a criminal offence to spread misinformation about vaccines citing China as an example of best practice.
Hmm, who decides what is misinformation.
November 13, 2020
Vote Leave was a shambles and had no positive effect on the Referendum result nor did it advocate leaving on WTO terms. However, presuming that the Cummings gang were sincere and not just political opportunists hitching themselves to the Brexit wagon, bearing in mind that genuine Brexiteers have always been an endangered species in a party that is congenial to globalist multiculturalists, there is clearly cause for concern that their eviction from the seat of power will lead to a softening in resolve in achieving what a large proportion of the population voted for in giving the Tories a huge majority at the last election.
November 13, 2020
O/T
But when did the Tories legalise cannabis, Sir John ?
I’ve just read a letter in Metro asking the same, so it’s not just me.
The stench is everywhere and louts are smoking it openly at bus stops and in parks.
When did we elect the Labour Party exacly ?
November 14, 2020
but at least they might be getting a break from the mass misery in every day life!
November 13, 2020
All true – but will it happen?
The government seem to be the left of the Tory party, yet again. We cannot trust them.
Why did these guys leave now?
There’s a suggestion that Cain may have leaked the lockdown2 plans. And that Cummins is a friend, so went with him.
Let’s hope this is not a disagreement over the Brexit deal.
November 14, 2020
With Remainer Carrie running things now maybe she can arrange another referendum under proper democratic conditions. It might even persuade Scotland and Ireland not to leave the union which will leave us as just a rump England alone in the world.
The danger now is that many EU countries might well boycott any attempts to rejoin.
November 14, 2020
Can you explain what wasn’t democratic about the vote?
November 14, 2020
Remain lost. Therefore, by EU definition, it was not democratic.
November 14, 2020
Indeed and perhaps explain why she sees the EU as democratic. Hopefully the EU will mange to destroy itself and avoid any possibility of our rejoining.
November 14, 2020
Fedup
Yes, a system that allows 17m votes to determine the future of a population of nearly 70m can’t be called democratic by any stretch of the imagination.
November 14, 2020
All those that were eligible to vote could do so. Maybe we Brexiteers just put our selves out more and knew that what we wanted was best for the country. We all had a democratic chance and you blew it.
November 14, 2020
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November 14, 2020
Babies and children voting?
Tourists and visitors viting?
Non UK citizens voting?
People forced to vote?
Come on Margaret, you have a very odd version of democracy
November 15, 2020
Edward 2
What is the definition of a democrat?
What is the diefinition of a socialist
What is the definition of a communist?
November 15, 2020
Look it up bill.
Pretty obvious.
It is all available on the internet.
Educate yourself.
November 15, 2020
The 70m includes new born babies, perhaps they should be given the vote.
November 14, 2020
You are still using your ridiculous comment I see….”rump England, alone in the world.”
November 14, 2020
Edward 2
So NI and the Republic want an open border but not EU, so why is he EU then negotiating on the Irsih behalf?
November 15, 2020
Is this post of yours in the wrong place again bill?
November 15, 2020
Edward 2
You did not answer teh question because as usual you are all muddled up
November 15, 2020
Wrong.
I was replying to Margaret and her “rump England” nonsense and you then come on demanding answers to questions about Ireland and the Withdrawal Agreement.
Hilarious that you then reply saying you think I am the one who is muddled up.
November 14, 2020
Can you explain how Remainer Carrie could democratically call another referendum?
If you imagine that you can help break up the UK by speculative fantasy then you are very wrong – Support for the SNP is dropping, and NI are happy to leave the EU.
The danger is not that we will be sucked back into the EU on awful terms, but that the remoaners in our midst will not allow us to get on and shape our own future.
November 14, 2020
Ooh err. If they wonāt let us rejoin, we might as well leave and put two fingers up to them. This rather tedious exercise is going to run and run.
If, as seems likely, the next election will be all about Brexit again. Labour will want to rejoin, the rump of the Tory party will say that the then state of affairs is okay and Nigelās party will stand everywhere and split the vote with who knows what result. A wanky coalition I imagine.
Well, you Remainers reap what you sow. You have thwarted the result of a referendum and we are going to have a polo mess for decades. Well done.
November 15, 2020
It has been the brexit Tories who have, for four years, grovelled repeatedly for transitional extensions, not any Remain group.
Get the basic facts right at least.
The Tories own this whole mess from start to finish.
Reply Untrue. I and other Brexit MPs opposed the delays
November 14, 2020
You are right round the bend! Pleased you have removed any doubt.
November 14, 2020
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November 19, 2020
Not a rump England, a rump United Kingdom, a maritime power that DOES have a selfish and strategic interest in retaining Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales and controlling the seas around us.
Such a UK will orientate its defence and foreign policies towards the defence of these islands, not joining Biden in his madcap foreign wars (they will happen; just listen to his cold war rhetoric) and not participating in a European Army, that fanciful force of the Power of Babel across the Channel.
November 14, 2020
I see the FT has it that Boris accused Cummings and Cain of briefing against his partner Carrie Symonds, well guess what the quack greenery of Carrie does need briefing against. This nonsense about Tristan da Cunhaās new Marine Protection Zone is ultimate virtue signalling when we can all see the government cannot even protect the home fishing waters of the UK, or stop vast number of illegal immigrants crossing the channel.
Carrie and her ideas for more green taxes, and supposedly anti-pollution measures, which will just further increase the cost of manufacturing here, and force more production to move to India and China where they will produce the same stuff using far less anti-pollution kit than we ever did, and from where we will import the same output, so massively increasing net world pollution and putting more of our own people out of work. More nonsense that sees the UK as just a service economy, from people who have no idea how to encourage the UK to pay its way in the world. This is not what the people want, or what was put to them at the last election. Hug a husky gone mad.
It is also clear Boris is now moments away from collapsing in the EU negotiations and delivering Brexit in name only, a complete betrayal of the majority of voters in this country.
We donāt need another wishy washy, big state, uber green, chumocracy, non-meritocratic, pro EU party in powerā¦ thatās exactly what we voted against.
Layered on top of the sheer incompetence during the pandemic, allowing all these Stalinist attacks on basic freedom most of which are counterproductive, and tolerating the ongoing poor-quality senior layers of the public sector to continue their corrupt and fraudulent abuse of the British people.
Dom is not perfect, he gets a lot of things wrong, his views on science and tech are often hilarious – the ultimate arrogant amateur, BUT he is correct about the reform needed at the top of the public sector, and need to get some changes made.
So, Brexit will be a sell-out, we will continue with this destruction of the economy and our basic freedoms, the dire quality healthcare being praised as some kind of religion, and a senior layer of public sector which is being allowed to be corrupt and abuse the British people, more out of control immigration, its all nonsense.
This cannot stand, brave people everywhere will react, and its not going to be pretty.
November 14, 2020
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November 14, 2020
Deeply concerned Sir John and somewhat comforted to see you are too. This is a black day – not just for Brexit and related matters, but in terms of the direction of travel of this government. That 80 seat majority was a precursor to what might be possible after Brexit in terms of greatly streamlining, transforming and modernising our public sector and its servants: reducing big state, regulation and political correctness; and achieving more innovative and leaner means of managing our national economics instead of the tired old mess and muddled thinking there currently is. Sadly, I fear we shall never see what might have been. The news from No. 10 this week, the treatment of trusted and loyal advisors combined with the headlong rush of the P.M. towards an agenda of wokishness instead of priorities, does not bode well either for the post-viral recovery that business much needs, nor the correction of society to majority norms. We voters do not understand what has gone wrong when there was so much promise possible given the resounding mandate this government was given. Yes, there was covid, but when that finally dissipates, we will wonder where on earth our future lies, and what that may be. So many have been crushed under the heel of poor advice by those we trusted, there is little left to hope or trust in any more. The softer agenda Boris proposes would be the ultimate betrayal as well as being absolutely not a priority at this time. Please do what you can to get some sense into No. 10. The loss of Cummings and Cain fundamentally weakens No. 10. If the Party thinks they will be easily forgiven for this, they do not know the British people. These are volatile times and many shibboleths have already been overturned. People without hope have nothing else to lose.
November 14, 2020
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November 14, 2020
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November 14, 2020
It will probably be some time before we know how much Boris has capitulated to the EU, as the truth slowly surfaces.
Clearly he is more interested in getting some kind of deal that breaking away totally, due to his fear of the press and remoaners hounding him
The deadline keeps getting moved, and that alone encourages the EU to be their usual uncooperative selves.
My faith in Boris is evaporating fast
November 14, 2020
Please define “breaking away totally”?
Because without more that means no trade, no visits, no exchange of security information, no access to infrastructure or airspace etc.
If you don’t mean that, then the terms on which all those things happen need an agreement or agreements. A DEAL, that is.
November 14, 2020
Nonsense
Breaking away means just being a free independent nation once more.
Like all the other 160 free independent nations.
November 14, 2020
I had such high hopes when Boris became PM. ………………..
He was voted in with an 80 seat majority on one mantra. āLetās get Brexit doneā.
Please donāt fail us now. Leave without a deal. Trade on WTO rules and get Brexit done.
November 14, 2020
The majority of voters only want 2 things
1. Leave the EU
2. Stop Illegal Immigration
Two things this government can’t achieve
November 14, 2020
glen
It is not can’t, but won’t !
November 14, 2020
“there” not “their”.
November 14, 2020
Those contributors starting to panic after Cummings has left Downing Street are a bit premature.
A majority of MPs and the vast majority of the party membership will not put up with a sellout and I don’t believe for a second that Boris will weaken his resolve, whatever Carrie says.
Fishing is an important but peripheral matter and the EU can easily buy off Macron’s fishermen with a few million Euros a year.
The real issue is the level playing field. The EU are rightly terrified that our industry will become more competitive than theirs but we cannot in any circumstances agree to slavishly follow all future changes in EU regulations. That would be a clear loss of sovereignty.
I believe that will be the reason why a reasonable deal will not be possible.
November 14, 2020
The voice of reason, is it just you and me who doubts Boris could go back on everything he has said only a few days before?
November 14, 2020
46 days to go. Capitulation must be nigh.
November 14, 2020
Iām sorry Dom has gone, but as long as Frost remains all is not lost.
The ERG must keep Boris honest as Iām sure it will. Frankly, in the unlikely event Boris goes back on everything he has said over the past 12 months, the 9% vote share achieved under May will look like a high water mark for the Tories.
November 14, 2020
Here, here
November 14, 2020
Sir John,
I see commenters here and on other sites, and some professional pundits, speculating that Cain then Cummings departed suddenly because the PM has decided to settle for a “sell-out” deal with the EU.
I, of course, have absolutely no idea if there is any substance to this rumour but it would be very troubling if true. I assume that Boris is aware to what extent his majority depends on him having a strong Brexit stance. He has also shown that his hand can be forced, as with the recent sudden implementation of the November lockdown.
I hope and assume that all pro-Brexit MPs are currently reminding the PM exactly why he won his majority. If perhaps any of them are a little shy, may I respectfully suggest that words of encouragement from a highly respected elder statesman in the party might just be what is required.
November 15, 2020
You confuse keeping his majority with keeping the ex-BNP/ukip vote.
They need not be the same thing.
November 15, 2020
Get Brexit Done was the central theme of the Conservative election campaign.
It resulted in a huge 80 seat majority.
To fail on that pledge to get Brexit done would seriously reduce their chances of re election in 4 years time.
November 15, 2020
I think there would be a leadership challenge much sooner than that and, as a party member, I would not vote for anyone that had promised Brexit, then caved at the last minute.
November 15, 2020
I agree Jim.
Whoever is PM at the next election could also find it difficult to get re elected if Brexit is not properly done.
November 15, 2020
āI will make it my mission to work night and day, flat out to prove that you were right in voting for me this time, and to earn your support in the future.
āAnd I say to you that in this election your voice has been heard, and about time too.
āBecause we politicians have squandered the last three years, three and a half years in squabbles ā weāve even been arguing about arguing, and arguing about the tone of our arguments.
āLeaving the European Union as one United Kingdom, taking back control of our laws, borders, money, our trade, immigration system, delivering on the democratic mandate of the people.ā
Thats the promise. He asked that we held him to it, we will.
November 17, 2020
Following on from above AT & what Mike W stated in the last blog’s subject: >>>That said, most of you on here will always vote Tory no matter how badly they sell this country out <<< I don't think so this time Mike, this time it's different. If the UK is left in the position of having to ask permission or gain consent from the EU in order to act in the interests of this country or be left unable to control its own economy and trade, taxes & all the rest of it or be left under the jurisdiction of the EU 27 Court of Justice of the European Union, as you say, be sold out, then I would hazard a guess there will be many, many more who will simply vote with their feet this time because many will no longer accept being taken for fools again, people are far more savvy than they are thought to be on this issue and much else. Already this week, Thursday has possibly now become next Tuesday – or maybe mid December – and all manner of positivity in the media but politicians still toeing the line on the red lines, so, is Brexit in peril ? Will Covid be the excuse for useless ? I'll echo the above comment: 'We certainly will'