The EU expands its foreign policy

This week at the G7 Germany as host nation invited Senegal, South Africa, Argentina, Indonesia and India to join the members. India as one of the largest economies and the most populated democracy has been several times before. The presence of two African nations shortly after Chancellor Scholz’s three nation African trip is more interesting. 

    The EU has  been stung by the exit of France from Mali and the growing influence of Russia in the Safel, the long belt of land to the south of the Sahara from coast to coast. The EU wishes to buttress its influence in this region, offer military training and assistance against Islamic terrorism and help stabilise countries to cut the flows of migrants northwards. Spain is particularly keen to extend an African policy to NATO as well as the EU. Recent dangerous eruptions of groups of  migrants through the high and tough fencing that separates Meililla from Morocco has worried them. More than 23 people died in one of the attempts to break into the Spanish enclave on the north coast of Africa. 

    The EU is keen to establish military trainers and advisers in these states to help them with establishing and maintaining order. Chancellor Scholz was offering EU food as trade for Senegal at a time of disruption to |Ukraine grain supplies to the region. He went on to South Africa to develop the long standing relationship with Sasol to create low or no  carbon fuel substitutes for petrol and diesel. 

77 Comments

  1. Mark B
    June 30, 2022

    Good morning.

    The EU is keen to establish military trainers and advisers in these states . . .

    But we were told by, Nick Clegg that EU militarisation was nothing more than a dangerous fantasy. Nick couldn’t have been lying to us, could he ?

    I think it is important here to understand that some of these countries are former possessions of France who still have economic interests in them. eg Uranium ore, wood and other rare and precious materials. So the EU expansionism is not altruistic, it is in fact neo-colonial much like China’s and the USA’s. What worries me more is the extended use of NATO in this region. Clearly we have not learned enough from Afghanistan and the former Yugoslavia. We also have to start putting distance between ourselves and any EU Common Defence structures. Sadly we have a man that see war and our involvement as a good way to boost his standing and divert attention from his appalling management of this country. A man who is happy to surround himself with non-threatening numpties just to make himself look good and to stave off any threat to his position.

    The last thing we need to do is waste more money on the defence of another failed state all the while the cannot even defend ourselves from people crossing the Channel illegally by boat.

    1. Everhopeful
      June 30, 2022

      +1
      Agree
      And especially since the idiots have progressively cut spending on the army to the lowest since Waterloo or something.
      And the army is now minuscule.
      Yet shovelling ÂŁsquillions to Ukraine.
      And the wire border fence in Spain is being breached apparently!

    2. Ed M
      June 30, 2022

      It was a no brainer for lots of people that sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq was foolish (I was banging on about it at the time and people thought I was a Communist or something for doing so. I wasn’t a Communist but a True Tory (I strongly support armed action but when absolutely needed). But Parliament didn’t listen (because power goes to people’s heads).

    3. Nottingham Lad Himself
      June 30, 2022

      Why don’t you read what the Treaties say instead of some stupid tabloid’s selective, twisting of Nick Clegg’s words?

      A military aspiration is there in black and white for the world – literally – to read.

      You can’t be bothered though.

      That said, the member nations still prefer to do this on at at-will basis outside the Treaties, and the UK commendably is fully supportive of and participative in these arrangements.

      1. Peter2
        June 30, 2022

        So why did Clegg say what he said?

    4. mancunius
      June 30, 2022

      In May 2016, a few weeks before the UK Brexit Referendum, a full front page account of plans for the EU Army was published in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. A few hours later I saw that the report had already vanished without trace, and could not be found in the archive. At the time I suspected Merkel had intervened to kill it, as the EU narrative at the time was to deny that such initiative existed.

    5. Bill brown
      June 30, 2022

      Mark B

      Very narrow view on what is happening in the world. We can’t just let the bridge go up

  2. Javelin
    June 30, 2022

    You deliberately didn’t mention China. Why is that?

    1. Everhopeful
      June 30, 2022

      In 2021, according to the BBC

      “China has warned the G7 leaders that the days when a “small” group of countries decided the fate of the world were long gone.”
      Lol đŸ€­

    2. Bloke
      June 30, 2022

      Handle China carefully or it might break into …….

      1. Mickey Taking
        June 30, 2022

        a bull in a china shop?

  3. DOM
    June 30, 2022

    Who controls the actions of the EU?

    1. Everhopeful
      June 30, 2022

      ++
      The European Council, the Council of the European Union, the European Parliament, the European Commission and the Court of Justice.
      Basically the EU controls the EU! (As far as I can make out
 or is there a deep meaning to your question?).
      So amazing that after centuries of war including two near genocides we meekly acquiesced to being run by a foreign power.
      What (a very bad word) waste of time and life and pain and misery!

    2. Nottingham Lad Himself
      June 30, 2022

      Do you really not know?

      1. Mickey Taking
        June 30, 2022

        But Merkel has gone. Hasn’t she? Then tell us!

    3. Mitchel
      June 30, 2022

      Who ,ultimately, controls the money?The West is bankrupt-debt as money/money as debt that can never be repaid.In such circumstances you do as you are told…..or else.

    4. Gary Megson
      June 30, 2022

      The Council – elected politicians all of them – and the Parliament – elected politicians all of them. Next question?

      1. Peter2
        June 30, 2022

        The Council…comprises of unelected professional civil servants who do all the year round work, whilst the elected national politicians meet in the Council a few times a year.
        And the Parliament have refused to pass the legislation presented to them only a few times in decades.
        Next question?

        1. Gary Megson
          July 1, 2022

          You simply don’t know what the Council is, you are confusing it with the Commisison. And the European Parlaiment rejects a lot more proposed laws than the Westminster Parliament.

          1. Peter2
            July 1, 2022

            No I am not confusing it with the Commission.
            The Council’s members only meet for a small number of days a year.
            The day to day business is carried out by unelected officials.

    5. Paul Cuthbertson
      June 30, 2022

      DOM – Also who controls the actions of the UK, the “Biden” USA, NATO, the UN, the WHO and other NGOs. However Nothing can stop what is coming, Nothing.

      1. glen cullen
        June 30, 2022

        While I agree with your comments I feel that we the votes can stop whats coming….by voting Reform Party

    6. David Peddy
      July 1, 2022

      Germany & France

  4. Sea_Warrior
    June 30, 2022

    I don’t see why the EU should be allowed to attend the G7 when France, Germany and Italy already do – and why should the head of the commission (a civil servant, in effect) get to attend in addition to the EU’s president for foreign stuff. The G7 is becoming a bit of a mess.

    1. glen cullen
      June 30, 2022

      The UK are too woke to stop them attending

    2. Mark B
      June 30, 2022

      Germany, France and Italy have to sit outside whilst the EU discuss matters for and on their behalf. They are allowed to sit around the table for PR purposes. This is because the EU, and only the EU, can negotiate for member countries. And up until our departure this is what would happen to us. Now we sit around the table in our own right.

    3. Brearley
      June 30, 2022

      The reason is simple. It is that the EU is very powerful. We used to share in its power and influence, but you Brexiters have thrown that away, and got nothing in return

      1. Original Richard
        June 30, 2022

        We had no power or influence when we were members.

        1. David Peddy
          July 1, 2022

          Agreed

    4. Mickey Taking
      June 30, 2022

      becoming ?

  5. Everhopeful
    June 30, 2022

    The point of all these compacts, alliances,unions, leagues and whatever else they use as an excuse to meet, sip *iced water and munch cricket sandwiches,was surely to improve the world?
    To avoid war?
    To avoid invasion?
    To avoid food shortages?
    To avoid the spread of disease?
    To avoid the disasters which all the nonsenses were set up to avoid?
    (To avoid France or Germany gaining dominance in Europe??)
    Not doing very well are they?

    * whoops
slip of keyboard..should read champers and caviar!

    1. Everhopeful
      June 30, 2022

      Or is it all about POWER?

  6. Roy Grainger
    June 30, 2022

    Scholz in South Africa – makes sense, both opposed to sanctions on Russia. Likewise India. The EU can’t have a foreign policy when (for example) Germany and Poland are entirely at odds over their attitude to Russia.

  7. Everhopeful
    June 30, 2022

    Has the EU become a nation state?

    1. glen cullen
      June 30, 2022

      According to the Lisbon Treaty – Yes

      1. hefner
        July 1, 2022

        Answer to EH’s question is ‘No’ (funny that people in a UK of four nations think that the Lisbon Treaty made a nation of the EU).

        europarl.europa.eu ‘The Treaty of Lisbon’’

        Some of the articles gave the EU full legal personality, which is why since 2009 the EU has had an official seat in international meetings. It redefined the role of the EU Parliament, Council, Commission, and the breadth of potential ECJ activities. In 2014 it changed the qualified majority in the Council (at least 55% of members (15 out of 27) representing 65% of the population).
        And more importantly for the UK, ToL provided the procedure to be followed by a Member State wishing to withdraw from the EU.

    2. Mark B
      June 30, 2022

      No. For that to happen they have to take full control of taxation, defence and economic policy. For that to happen their has to be another Treaty. Problem is, if they do do it and soon, that would effectively scotch Rejoiner plans.

  8. Jason
    June 30, 2022

    Yes Sir John – but I fail to see the point

  9. Bloke
    June 30, 2022

    Independent nations living peacefully in harmony maintains happiness. ‘EU expands’ may not signal a lead into anything better.

    Folk should be comfortable in their own home nations. Some may prefer to visit others or wish to stay. In contrast, armies of people trying to break in to other people’s homes and others trying to to keep themselves safe and free leads to musical military chairs. The world doesn’t need a dictator on the throne with only the death march echoing in the distance.

    In the 1970s, heavy calculators were ÂŁ200 each and targets for theft. Now they are pocket-sized, stacked in buckets at car boot sales at 10p and left alone. Providing enough of what people need prevents them fighting for it.

  10. John Miller
    June 30, 2022

    And shortly an independent North England will join this happy band?!
    Well done, Nic I’m sure they’ll welcome you with open arms! Well, Manny might, he’ll see it as a triumph. But Scholz won’t welcome another drain on Germany. But what glorious days await you. The money you raided for independence was just chicken feed. A new handbag? Now you and hubby will hit paydirt!

  11. Dave Andrews
    June 30, 2022

    How come Spain is allowed to defend its borders but we aren’t?

    1. glen cullen
      June 30, 2022

      Where there’s a will there’s a way…..we lack the will

      1. Mark B
        July 1, 2022

        +1

  12. glen cullen
    June 30, 2022

    A billion for Ukraine, a billion for the EU, a billion for the UN, a billion for foreign aid, a billion for HS2
..our local governments only need a few million for maintain budgets
    I believe our government(s) have a policy of (a) international first (b) continental second (c) european union third (d) global political bodies forth (e) national government fifth (f) devolution governments sixth and (g) local government

  13. ChrisS
    June 30, 2022

    We need to maintain a distance between the EU and it’s deeply unimpressive “External Action Service” which has made catastrophic decisions which were major contributors to Putin invading Ukraine.

    Similarly, unless Brussels eases up on NI and ceases to make threats over trade when JR-M introduces his bonfire-of-the-rules bill, we should pull back from contributing towards EU defence, with the exception of Poland, which remains one of our long-term allies. At present, Brussels seems to still think it can dictate to us as if we were still a member state.

  14. Julian Flood
    June 30, 2022

    Sir John,

    “Chancellor Scholz … went on to South Africa to develop the long standing relationship with Sasol to create low or no carbon fuel substitutes for petrol and diesel.”

    China will offer the technology and support to produce a viable economy based on whatever fossil fuels are available. Germany will present an example of what happens when you rely on solar and wind, closing down all your … But wait. Germany is digging opencast lignite and going all out for fossil fuel based energy delivery. Do as I say?
    Frack, for God’s sake, it’ll come to that in the end. If we’d started five years ago we’d now be offering to help the EU defeat Russia’s fuel sanctions.

    JF

  15. acorn
    June 30, 2022

    The BRICS are expanding their foreign policy as well. Iran and Argentina have applied to join the bloc. The extended bloc is talking of starting its own “reserve” currency to replace the US Dollar. That could be an SDR or a Eurosystem type fiat currency.

    You can imagine when Argentina gets to sit down with the bloc’s big boys; it might say, look guys, I have an outstanding problem with the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands; any suggestions Vladimir?

    BTW. The US Dollar became a de-facto reserve currency, simply by the US importing loads of stuff from other countries; paying foreigners with its freshly created fiat currency. The biggest export the US has is Dollar bills. There are so many of them outside the US (50-60% of $2 trillion) that other countries use them to trade with each other. The beauty of paper money is it is untraceable.

    500 Euro notes are particularly useful for bandits. Shopping bags full, donated to charitable organisations, purely as an example; can come out the other end of such charities, washed and rinsed, as donations back to whence they came.

    1. Mitchel
      July 1, 2022

      BRICS,SCO,EEU and ASEAN are all moving towards convergence.Eurasia +the Global South(look at how the USA is losing Latin America) are coming together.

      China has already given it’s support to Argentina’s claim to the Falklands.

  16. Nottingham Lad Himself
    June 30, 2022

    One thing’s for sure.

    If you don’t want the European Union to have a military dimension then you should have voted Remain.

    The implementation requires unanimity of the member countries, and so the UK could have vetoed that, as the Tories said that they always would.

    It can do nothing of the sort now – nor about anything else that the European Union plans – and jolly good too.

    That, however, is what Nick Clegg meant. It was indeed a dangerous fantasy to claim that the UK would have been swept along by relentless progress towards such a military entity against its will.

    The danger was that this would be believed by the gullible, who would then vote Leave, and bring disaster upon the country, exactly as they have done.

    1. Peter2
      June 30, 2022

      Not bothered if the EU want their own armed forces any more NHL
      They can do what they want
      We have left.
      PS
      Clegg said there was no ambition for an EU army.
      That is where your quote comes from.

    2. Original Richard
      June 30, 2022

      “The UK could have vetoed that”

      Who is “the UK” in this context?

      UK voters via a referendum?
      A free vote in Parliament?
      Or the decision of an unelected civil servant or quango?

  17. Christine
    June 30, 2022

    The EU has wanted to expand into North Africa for a long time and includes these countries in its Mediterranean group of states. The literature is all there to read on the EU website.

    What is worrying me is Boris Johnson’s saber-rattling and his talks with Macron about joining this new European “political community”. This grouping would not merely include Europe, but take in Turkey and parts of North Africa in a bid to strengthen regional unity. This new group is aimed at ascension countries that have waited sometimes decades to join the EU but don’t, and perhaps never will meet the EU standards and would allow them to adhere to the EU’s “core values” to co-operate on security, energy, transport, infrastructure and the movement of people.

    Johnson has even said the idea of a second-tier EU membership was his own and he talks about recreating the Mare Nostrum of the Roman Empire.

    It feels like a backdoor to us re-joining the EU or at least becoming interwoven with a bloc we voted to leave.

    Recently winning the Conservative vote to remain PM seems to have emboldened Johnson to double down on his real aims of giving our sovereignty to the EU, UN, and the WHO.

    Steve Baker has the right idea in his quest to unseat this deceitful PM. The worrying thing is who would replace Johnson as we have a merry-go-round of re-joiners waiting to take back control.

  18. formula57
    June 30, 2022

    So “Spain is particularly keen to extend an African policy to NATO as well as the EU “ but what can one expect from a belligerent nation (q.v. Philip II’s Armada)? It does show, however, how NATO has transformed itself to some sort of global interventionist combatant power willing to meet all comers in all circumstances that we might be well-served by leaving.

    Boris on the other hand thinks positioning British troops to defend the E.U. member Estonia is appropriate, once more for no thanks pulling other’s chestnuts out of the fire. What is wrong with saying to Europe and the world that on this occasion of the looming next multi-state conflict, we, who have been doing the impossible for the ungrateful for so long now that we are fully qualified to do nothing for anyone at anytime, will sit it out? Get Liz Truss atop a tank and have her say that please.

  19. formula57
    June 30, 2022

    O/T The new typeface here is a good improvement, as is its darker hue. Thank you.

  20. Atlas
    June 30, 2022

    From a historical perspective, does the present dealing with Russia counts as the same type of event as when the ever expanding Roman Empire came up against the Parthians?

    1. formula57
      June 30, 2022

      Perhaps it does but the FCID Office will not work out how to take advantage even if they are given 682 years to try. It might take that long for the Evil Empire’s 27 to reach a consensus though.

  21. SM
    June 30, 2022

    If the EU wants to give help against Islamic terrorism in sub-Saharan Africa, it is going to get involved in a lot of very messy countries and very murky governments.

    South Africa is already a member of BRICS and the African Union – diplomatically speaking, it would appear the EU is astonishingly naive in getting involved with a continent where Chinese influence in business and finance and Russian political influence is at a very high level.

    1. Dave Andrews
      June 30, 2022

      As a body that doesn’t believe in democracy, I expect the EU will get on just fine with China and Russia.

    2. Mitchel
      July 1, 2022

      The next Russia-Africa summit is going ahead in the Autumn.

  22. Barbara
    June 30, 2022

    I think you mean the Sahel.

  23. X-Tory
    June 30, 2022

    Sir John, in response to your Tweet in the sidebar about defence spending, we are told that Ben Wallace rightly wants an increase in his defence budget – which the House of Commons Library says will be cut by ÂŁ1.7bn in real terms by 2025 because of high inflation. Once small but quick and immediate solution is to stop the cost of the weapons being sent to Ukraine from coming out of the MoD budget. Why isn’t this being paid for by the Foreign Aid budget? After all, that’s exactly what this is: aid to a foreign country! We are told that Truss supports Wallace’s request for more money, so why doesn’t she offer him the Foreign Aid money which is under her control?

    Surely as a senior backbencher you get the opportunity to talk privately with ministers, so why don’t you propose this to them?

  24. forthurst
    June 30, 2022

    Why does Spain need to maintain tiny colonies in North Africa which are clearly more trouble than they are worth? The same with Italy and in the case of Greece, islands which are the wrong side of the Aegean Sea? All these outposts have become not only not an asset to the possessors but a serious liability and weakness in defending Europe from pro-active cargo-cultists.

    Meanwhile the expansionist EU has the gall to accuse Russia of expansionism into somewhere which
    had been a province of Russia until Gorby’s dismemberment to appease the neocons, a fake state created by the Bolshevik mass-murders after their coup in 1917 as part of their divide and rule policy, a policy purely co-incidentally similar to which we are experiencing in the West today.

    1. Bill brown
      June 30, 2022

      Forthurst

      You really need to read up on Ukraine’s history

      1. forthurst
        June 30, 2022

        Which version?

      2. Mitchel
        July 1, 2022

        You need to go back to the break up of the first Rus state into about a dozen dynastically-linked principalities,the Mongol yoke,the rise of Muscovy as an agent of the Mongols and the competition between Muscovy and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania to re-consolidate those principalities as Mongol power in the west faded,particularly after Lithuania(the last pagan state in Europe)converted to Catholicism

    2. hefner
      July 1, 2022

      ‘Why does the UK need to maintain tiny colonies in the Caribbean and South Atlantic which are clearly more trouble than they are worth?’

      1. Peter2
        July 2, 2022

        Maybe because they still want to be part of the Commonwealth heffy?

        1. hefner
          July 9, 2022

          Seeing the events during the latest trip of William and Kate, and the recent declarations of Charles in Rwanda this 25th of June it is not as obvious as what your statement implies.

  25. X-Tory
    June 30, 2022

    *Why isn’t the government keeping its manifesto pledge to spend 0.5% more on defence than inflation? Because Sunak objects.
    *Why isn’t the government abolishing VAT on domestic fuel? Because Sunak objects.
    *Why isn’t the government cutting corporation tax? Because Sunak objects.
    *Why doesn’t the government trigger Article 16 of the NI Protocol? Because Sunak objects.
    *Why didn’t the government keep its manifesto promise to pensioners on the triple lock? Because Sunak objects.
    *Why doesn’t the government reduce energy taxes to help British businesses? Because Sunak objects.

    I could go on but you are probably beginning to see the pattern here. So much that is going wrong seems to be due directly to Rishi Sunak. If you want to see the popularity of the party recover – to say nothing of the British economy! – then why aren’t you campaigning for Sunak to be sacked? All the focus has been on the PM (understandably, he is a traitor to Britain) but Sunak is evading the scrutiny and criticism he deserves. The PM is too weak to get rid of him, but if a few groups like the ERG and the NRG got together and signed an EDM saying they had no confidence in him he would have to go. And then government policy could change and the British recovery could begin.

    1. Mark B
      July 1, 2022

      I think if you go back a good few article our kind host has pointed out the difference between what our Chancellor says and what he actually does.

      And remember. Chancellor Sunak is in the job because he is much more pliable than his predecessor when it comes to spending on the things his boss wants.

  26. Denis Cooper
    June 30, 2022

    Off topic, the Maidenhead Advertiser has printed a letter that I sent in:

    “Mrs May was at fault for nominal Brexit”

    “I was deeply unimpressed to see our MP, Theresa May, pontificating during the Second Reading debate on the Government’s Northern Ireland Protocol Bill.

    She seems to lack sufficient self-awareness to realise that it was above all her fault that the Great Charlatan Boris Johnson was installed in No 10 Downing Street, and that consequently ministers are now scrambling around to find excuses for neutralising elements of the potentially disastrous protocol that he negotiated.

    After David Cameron ratted on his promise to see us out of the EU, if that was the way we voted in the referendum, Theresa May very willingly took on the job of getting us out, and if she had stuck with her original mantra “Brexit means Brexit” then history could have viewed her with a favourable eye.

    Instead she allowed herself to be deflected by the malign influence of business pressure groups such as the Confederation of British Industry, and for the sake of their narrow sectional interests – and perhaps Tory party funds – she tried to fob us off with a counterfeit “Brexit means Brexit in Name Only”.

    To be honest I think the best thing she can do now is to keep quiet, and allow others to sully themselves trying to sort out the totally unnecessary post-Brexit political and legal mess to which she herself contributed so much.”

  27. Denis Cooper
    June 30, 2022

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2022/0630/1307745-ni-protocol-eu-mandate/

    “No change to EU mandate over NI Protocol negotiations”

    “Germany’s ambassador to the EU has said member states will not change the mandate of chief negotiator MaroĆĄ Ć efčovič to renegotiate the Northern Ireland Protocol.

    Michael Clauss has said that EU capitals were unanimous in believing that the Protocol should not be renegotiated.”

    “We shouldn’t forget that breaching the Northern Ireland Protocol, which is the centerpiece of the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement, is no small thing.””

    “He said the new German coalition was “more clear” on its position, “when it says the Northern Ireland protocol is at the heart of the Brexit agreement, and when they say that all options are on the table.”

    So a small peripheral detail turns out to be the “centrepiece”, the “heart”, of the agreement.

  28. Enough Already
    June 30, 2022

    Is it just me seeing the fonts that have gone funny. They seem to have defaulted to Arial bold, some of the text is grey and some black and also showing at different sizes and different line height spacing on different articles?

  29. Mickey Taking
    June 30, 2022

    There are almost two million more higher and additional rate taxpayers in the UK, according to HM Revenue and Customers (HMRC). The number of people paying 40% or 45% tax has risen from 4.25m to more than 6.1m workers since 2019, figures show. It comes as prices rise at the fastest rate for 40 years and workers and unions push for pay rises to cope. The Treasury has been urged to re-examine tax brackets, but it said most tax payers still paid the basic rate.
    The personal allowance was increased to ÂŁ12,570 for 2021/22, up from ÂŁ12,500 for 2020/21. It will remain at this level for the following four tax years, up to and including 2025/26.
    And there you have it a ‘low tax Chancellor’.

  30. Mike
    June 30, 2022

    The PM and Liz Truss are on about holding the Chinese to account over their commitments re Hong Kong but at the same time they are going full belt to overturn international treaties here at home.. the Chinese must be sniggering up their sleeves.. we are fast becoming the laughing stock on the world stage.

  31. X-Tory
    June 30, 2022

    Amazing! Boris the Traitor has managed to do it again – he has made himself even MORE contemptible! How? By paying the EU more than half a BILLION pounds! Yes, he has paid them ÂŁ583 million as a fine for some trade irregularities. But, err, we’ve left the EU … haven’t we? Yes, I know this is to do with events that took place while we were still members, but now that we’re out we should tell them to “go whistle” – IF Boris had a single ounce of patriotism, courage or national self-respect. But no, he just grovels as usual. His subservience to a foreign power shames the UK. Every day I just find another reason to hate that man more.

  32. APL
    July 1, 2022

    “The EU expands its foreign policy”

    Have you heard the latest imbecilic vomit from your leader, Boris?

    He want’s to re-establish the mare nostrum, of the Roman empire.

    I wonder what Tunisia, Morocco, Libya ( although David Cameron destroyed Libya as a coherent entity ) or Turkey think of that plan?

    Have we ever had such a foolish Prime minister ?

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