Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?

Both Priti Patel and Suella Braverman have sought to implement a popular policy of ending people trafficking and the large flows of young men from safe European countries into the UK. Both have encountered substantial resistance from officials, the legal profession and the courts. We need to ask why.

No one can doubt both women want to stop the dangerous trade No one can doubt their energy and determination. Both had or have backing to legislate to make clear the policy and ensure all the powers are in place for enforcement. It is odd they need to as by definition illegal migrants are already breaking the law and the authorities already have  enforcement powers.
Every time Ministers get people booked on a plane for removal because they are criminals last minute  legal procedures intervene. The Home Office allows a huge backlog of asylum claims to build up for people who have come from France and often got to France from a country that posed no risk to them. Why cannot they reach correct but quick decisions about these cases? It is not fair on the migrant to keep them waiting for many months unable to work and unsure if they can stay. It is certainly not fair on taxpayers who have to pay ballooning hotel bills to keep them in idleness.

It is time the official machine accepted that ending dangerous journeys and illegal economic migration is a worthy aim. The  politicians speak for the majority as they should. They deserve support and help. They  are not as some seem to think the problem. The new Home Secretary has promised legislation to again clarify to officials and courts this trade has to stop. She will need to make sure this time the law is watertight as so many seem to want to stop the implementation of this popular policy.

232 Comments

  1. Peter Gardner
    November 3, 2022

    I do not understand why other couintries, like France and Germany which are also signatories of the European Convention on Human Rights can reject around 70% of asylum applications whereas the UK rejects only approx 25%. Clearly the ECHR is not the problem, even though British lawyers use it in their arguments. Perhaps it is the implementation of the ECHR in UK’s domestic legislation that is the significant difference?
    As for Albanians it is impossible to see how any Albanian can have a remotely plausible case for asylum. Germany has formally declared Albania a safe country and simply refuses all Albanian asylum claims point blank and refuses entry to Albanians without a passport. Why cannot the UK do the same? the UK happily and without any fuss turns away Americans, Australians and any other nationals who turn up without the necessary documentation. Why not Albanians?
    In addition, since Albanians have the right to visa-free travel throughout the Schengen area of the EU it cannot be difficult for Albanians to obtain a visa for the UK. Why do they prefer illegal entry by boat? The obvious answer is that all have criminal intent. So unless they have a visa just tell them to take the next flight out to Albania or to any Schengen country of their choosing, and in the meantime place them in custody.
    Why is it so difficult to treat Albanians the same as nationals from other developed democratic countries?

    1. Christine
      November 3, 2022

      It is Theresa May’s appalling Modern Day Slavery Act that is causing the problem. No other country has such legislation that provides a loop hole for asylum claims. Come by dinghy and everything is free, you go to the top of the list for housing, NHS treatment, dentistry and benefit payments. What’s not to like. Our politicians have failed the British people big time and few of them even care. We can see where their loyalty lies by their faux outrage in the HoC. Things will only change when all the main political parties are destroyed.

      1. Lifelogic
        November 3, 2022

        Some truth in this May like Blair did huge damage and in far less time with her Net zero, her appalling modern slavery act and her dreadful attempt to deliver a fake Brexit in name only.

        Meanwhile we have the PM doing things no one sensible wants.

        Rishi Sunak Tweets:- “There is no long-term prosperity without action on climate change.
        There is no energy security without investing in renewables.
        That is why I will attend @COP27P next week: to deliver on Glasgow’s legacy of building a secure and sustainable future.”

        Actually Rishi “action on climate change” is the cause of the expensive and unreliable energy problem, it is doing huge harm and zero good. Indeed the actions the UK governments have pushed, (EVs, exporting whole industries, subsidising renewables, burning imported wood (young coal) at Drax, not fracking, pushing walking, cycling, public transport, heat pumps, hydrogen
) do not even save any or any significant CO2 when fully accounted for let alone do anything for climate.

        “There is no energy security without investing in renewables”, again surely a complete lie Sunak unless you really so daft, deluded and ignorant that you do actually believe this drivel.

        We have coal, natural gas, oil and nuclear that will serve us far better for well over 100 years. Not that I am against some so called “renewables” but only where they make sense “without” any tax payers’ subsidies or vast energy market rigging, Within this time scale we will surely have sorted better nuclear, practical fusion, more cost effective wind and solar, more energy efficiency and better synthetic fuels which we see us through for millions of years.

        We clearly have an idiot, a liar, or a puppet just dancing as demanded by the globalist string pullers as PM.

        1. glen cullen
          November 3, 2022

          +100000000000

        2. Iain Gill
          November 3, 2022

          welcome back lifelogic

          agree 100%

      2. Lifelogic
        November 3, 2022

        The real reason the Right lost – and surrendered Britain to the technocrats
        The Tories have achieved almost nothing because they failed to grasp the strength of their opponents
        ALLISTER HEATH today in Telegraph is surely right as usual.

        These types of technocrats who supported the ERM, the Euro, the vast size of our largely useless state sector, the lockdowns, the ineffective and dangerous net harm vaccines, the nudge unit, the comittie for climate change, the dire anti-competitive NHS (excess death still running at ~ 16% mainly not Covid.

        1. Lifelogic
          November 3, 2022

          So Suella tells us the home office are paying an average of ÂŁ150 per person for hotel rooms for the migrants. I do not think I have ever paid more than ÂŁ150 in the UK for a hotel room and that is for two people not one. So why when the government is buying so many are they paying over double what I would pay for a room? You could build suitable accommodation for them similar to a hotel room for less than about ÂŁ10,000 per person. Just 67 days in a hotel! But surely hostel accommodation would be fine anyway.

          Still not their money so who cares seems to be the attitude as usual.

          1. Hope
            November 3, 2022

            LL,

            Reports are that the HO are paying about ten times the going rate.

            Reports also that Sunak and Hunt are going after self employed ie dividends like never before.

          2. glen cullen
            November 3, 2022

            There are empty military barracks up and down the country

          3. Iain Gill
            November 4, 2022

            I’ve paid more than that, but it was places like cliveden that have decanters of gin in the room to help yourself…

          4. Diane
            November 4, 2022

            GC – Military barracks – Remember the Linton on Ouse issue ? ( York area & a small community) which was proposed, fiercely challenged by the Conservative MP & local people and, quite rightly, cancelled. I believe the capacity would have been near 1500. Napier / Folkestone is still used I believe, but just look at the vitriol and opposition that one has faced from people that should know better. It (and now presumably Manston) does not meet the 4/5 star standards we are increasingly expected to provide.

        2. Christine
          November 3, 2022

          Excess deaths have been around 1500 a week for the last 6 months, far higher than during the COVID pandemic yet the MSM and politicians remain silent. Where are the daily press conferences about this? Why is there no investigation? Even Sir John is moderating factual comments about this crisis. The whole thing stinks. We have major problems here at home yet our politicians think it’s ok to swan off to cop27, well it isn’t ok.

          1. Shirley M
            November 4, 2022

            The NHS are not treating people. The NHS is working quite hard at avoiding treating people, especially GP’s, who seem to spend more time avoiding appointments instead of getting on with the job, making people wait years for ops when they could be helped back to work (worst practice was having unused pre-paid private medical services which were never used. This is totally inexcusable and shows how badly everything is mismanaged and money down the drain). I suspect deaths will increase but no questions will be asked as it is deliberate policy.

          2. Lifelogic
            November 4, 2022

            +1

      3. Hope
        November 3, 2022

        Good try JR, under your party and govt. 4.2 million entered our country while your party and govt lied to say it would reduce to tens of thousands!! Produce the figures so we can judge for ourselves. It seems to me you are being very disingenuous to say the least.

        60% of population growth is through immigration, 1 out of 6 where parents were not born here.

        Osborne made clear no one in govt was serious! That was your chancellor and strategic advisor who is now reported to be giving advice to Hunt!!

        Last year 1.2 million visas issued! Historic illegal immigration. Why was Patel linking immigration to Indian trade deal if she knows this is such a contentious issue and was determined to achieve the aims of your 2019 manifesto! Come on JR we expect better from you.

        Another shameful pass the blame blog from you where there is little fact or substance to back your claims.

        1. Hope
          November 3, 2022

          Better still tell us that the govt. estimated way of immigration is changed to an actual verifiable head count.

          Reported Alistair Campbell advising Albania Govt! How loyal of him.

      4. turboterrier
        November 3, 2022

        Christine
        When the history books are written and being studied only then will the damage caused by the May’s and Blair’s and others will be properly recognised and condemned.

        1. Mitchel
          November 4, 2022

          History tends to be written by the winners!

      5. Lifelogic
        November 3, 2022

        Indeed.

        Just heard Graham Stuart the Minister of State for energy talking complete drivel on his climate topic on Talk Radio. I looked him up, needless to say he has no Stem, science or engineering background. Selwyn College, Philosophy and Law but failed his degree.

        Would you want this man to design aircraft, bridges, do surgery or design nuclear power stations? Yet he is making hugely important decisions on energy and climate?

        1. Hope
          November 3, 2022

          UK needs to be energy independent Not further integrated where EU grips UK throat so we are unable to leave and locked to EU inter connectors! Energy linked to fishing our waters! No, no no.

          Whatever the Hunt/Sunak govt. remainer excuse we voted leave. Hence why Sunak does not want energy independence through fracking!

      6. Merrie qubus
        November 3, 2022

        I just don’t understand. Why doesn’t the Government simply repeal Mrs May‘s appalling legislation.
        Something else that I don’t understand: why cannot the countries where the rubber dinghies etc are produced be persuaded to close the organisations down. Surely the UK should be able to exert some pressure on them.

      7. Bryan Harris
        November 3, 2022

        +100 Christine

    2. Narrow Shoulders
      November 3, 2022

      Our implementation of EU laws to our own detriment was the reason I voted to leave the EU. It seems that our decision makers and implementers have not received the memo that they need to act for us and not for others.

      We can be self centred but compassionate offering help to ONLY the real deserving.

    3. Cuibono
      November 3, 2022

      There are whole websites dedicated to helping people claim asylum.

    4. Iain Moore
      November 3, 2022

      We have a problem with our legal system which gold plates human right laws , they are applied in their purest form, a judge even gave a Taliban torturer the right to remain here, so if we can’t get shot of someone like that what hope is there of getting rid of anybody? On the continent it seems they are prepared to have a more nuanced approach, and include a consideration of national interest, no such luck here, in fact do the opposite for they see their role as being a counter balance to the state. I believe our problems started with the ECHR but was given rocket boosters with the Human Rights Act, seriously unbalancing our law, which we see in the circus of our border control, or lack of. .

      1. Iain Gill
        November 3, 2022

        The problem with the Human Rights stuff, the European Convention on Human Rights, and the laws which implement it, is that it gives a lot of rights to individuals (in this case mostly asylum seekers) and little to no balancing rights to the already resident community which will need to absorb the impact of new arrivals on infrastructure & services such as healthcare, schools, social housing, road capacity, and all the rest of it. The already resident community should have their right to 1 self determination about the dilution of their people they are prepared to tolerate 2 rights of access to healthcare etc that they have after all paid for (even if through general taxation) 3 rights to peaceful enjoyment of the world free from newly arriving criminal gangs

        etc

    5. Nottingham Lad Himself
      November 3, 2022

      Sir John seems to be claiming that our billionaire Prime Minister is not part of any kind of elite, whereas an English teacher in a State school in Bristol, say, probably is.

      Good luck with that.

      1. Peter2
        November 3, 2022

        Strange logic NHL
        Who do you get that extraordinary conclusion ?

        1. Mickey Taking
          November 4, 2022

          I wouldn’t trouble yourself to analyse that mind. !

    6. Chris S
      November 3, 2022

      Ironically, our biggest security asset, the fact that we are an island, is, in the case of the boat people, an insurmountable problem, once the dinghies make it into British waters.

      As a skipper, I have to obey the law of the sea. You always have to go to anyone in distress. The contemptable people smugglers are sending boats over with insufficient fuel to reach our shores and a working phone. Once they are in our waters, we have no choice other than to rescue them as the boats are not suitable for crossing the channel and are grossly underpowered and overloaded. Of course, the French could use drones to spot them and easily intercept every one and return them to their own shores because they are insufficiently equipped and illegally overloaded. All boats in French waters have to be registered, and none of them are ! I understand that most of them are bought in other countries to avoid registration.

      We all know why Macron won’t implement his own maritime laws. We offered to provide the necessary drones but he would not allow them to operate over French waters.

    7. Jason
      November 3, 2022

      Peter Gardner – the main difference is that Albanians and others like them come by sea, they are picked up at sea and there are laws about the saving of distressed people at sea. Americans and Astralians do not come the same way – and that is the difference. The problem is that we have not got sufficient resources in place to sort the genuine seekers of asylum and refuge from the economic chancers. Lastly to say that people were coming to Britain from time immemorial they have been coming as seafarers, merchants, political emigrees, etc etc from times long before we ever invented passports for the common man and creating new laws now on top of laws already in place is not going to stop them. We need fresh thinking on all of this and am afraid we have not got the right people in place to think this through.

      1. glen cullen
        November 3, 2022

        We could just let the French know that some of their small boats are in distress 
best you come and get them

    8. Shirley M
      November 3, 2022

      I’d like to know where these dinghy people will be housed. I am sure the government must have run out of compliant hotels by now, and they must have hotel quality accommodation (slum housing is for Brits only), so what next? WHERE will they be housed. Will they continue to get priority medical services, NHS dentistry, and everything else that is becoming impossible for Brits to access? Your party and government really know how to alienate your electorate. Even if you don’t care about Brits I would have thought that self preservation would prevent you from giving non-contributers to the country better treatment than those who DO contribute. People notice these things!

    9. X-Tory
      November 3, 2022

      The problem is that British Conservatives are just such contemptible COWARDS. They ‘will the ends but not the means’. They don’t want conflict with their enemies. This is such a moronic attitude that it is actually incomprehensible to me. Your left-wing political opponents hate you, will always hate you (no matter what you do), and – literally – want you dead. Compromising with them and trying to appease them is not just pointless but is simply helping them destroy you. You need to ride roughshod over ALL left-wing opponents and not give an inch. Your unwillingness to do so is why you will always LOSE.

      So to answer your question, Sir John, of course ministers “can do things the elite dislike”, but they need to be willing to face the elite down. Ministers can pass whatever legislation they want. But they must be willing to then see this through and ignore ALL objections. Take the Channel invasion, for instance. There is an article here which is a brilliant and incisive critique of every argument used by the pro-asylum lobby: https://britishdems.co.uk/2022/05/03/rwanda-flight-of-fantasy/ I understand that you won’t publish this link as it is from a different polical party’s website (the British Democrats) but I do encourage you to read it as it explains, logically and irrefutably, why the UK should not accept ANY asylum seeker.

      In a nutshell, the government needs to say that ALL asylum seekers who pass through a safe countrty will AUTOMATICALLY be deemed bogus with no investigation and no right of appeal, and will therefore be IMMEDIATELY deported back to their home country. They just need a very short so-called ‘notwithstanding’ Act (ie. the act begins by saying ‘Notwithstanding any and all other laws, regulations or agreements, both domestic and international …’) that gives the Home Secretary UNFETTERED power to deport, without ANY right of appeal whatsoever. The Act also needs a one-line statement saying that the UK resiles from the 1951 Refugee Convention. The government needs to explain that the UK will not accept ANY asylum seekers whatsoever (even genuine ones) due to the fact that the country is GROSSLY OVERCROWDED. Other countries must therefore take any legitimate refugees. To give you an idea of just how overcrowded we are, Italy would need to accept around 20 MILLION refugees just to reach our population density, France almost 30 MILLION and Spain a staggering 50 MILLION.

      The fact that NO Conservative MP will make this case – not even, very disappointingly, you Sir John – just proves that we need to look to another party to save the country from the invasion we are now suffering.

    10. ignoramus
      November 3, 2022

      I think the government has a huge question to deal with and it’s ducking it.

      The Conservative government brought us Brexit. It’s not working. Productivity is down. Exports are down. And we can’t just blame it on outside events anymore.

      The relationship with the EU single market is the single most important issue facing this country as sure as eggs is eggs. Someone needs to do something about it, or at least broach the subject. Please.

      1. ignoramus
        November 3, 2022

        Or join the U.S. I’m happy either way. But we need to join a trading bloc.

        Reply No need to join a bloc. we can use WTO most favoured nation status

        1. ignoramus
          November 3, 2022

          Sounds great. So why aren’t I hearing all about the benefits of this WTO most favoured nation status? It sounds great. Does it mean we can trade with our main markets just like before?

        2. Mickey Taking
          November 4, 2022

          We’ve had the chance to use WTO for years now, but we don’t.

        3. lifelogic
          November 5, 2022

          +1

      2. Shirley M
        November 4, 2022

        Maybe, if we didn’t have so many undemocratic remainers in Parliament sabotaging the UK (it started with the Benn Act and has continued ever since) then the UK would have got a better deal, or no deal, which would have resolved all the problems much quicker, but NO, these undemoctaic traitors prefer to make our country suffer than accept a democratic result. I don’t object to remainers campaigning to rejoin. I donn’t object to them abstaining from all Brexit related votes. I DO object to the undemocrats promising to uphold the referendum result and obtaining their seat through fraud, as they then did everything possible to going against the wishes of their own electorate and deliberately damaged the UK’s prospects! It is absolutely unforgivable and I hope one day their majority votes get the same treatment.

  2. turboterrier
    November 3, 2022

    It would appear not. It is hard to believe the lack of pressure on the PM and Cabinet to make a firm stand at the abuse taken of this country by criminal trafficking gangs has been allowed to continue for so long. I asked the question in a post yesterday that failed to get printed, who are these people who exercise such power over our ministers to prevent the cancelling and repealing of all these treaties and laws that prevent us have control of our borders?
    There are elements of the invaders taking over the criminal control of our cities and the police are virtual spectators.
    The time for sitting on the fence for a lot of our politicians is over. Real action is required NOW.

    1. Hope
      November 3, 2022

      We had previous PMs ie Cameron, May and Johnson making false claims to cut immigration when they knew their actions were in total contrast!! Truss before she left was being reported to increase immigration despite manifesto!

      JR now wants us to believe Patel was serious! Her record shows this not to be the case. If serious the UK would leave ECHR to truly take back control of our borders from the EU. An unknown EU judge, not legally qualified, without UK Govt. representation decided the UK would not introduce govt policy to deport people to Rwanda!

      JR, when is the UK going to leave the ECHR to take back control of our borders as Johnson claimed and all Brexiteer politicians claimed was essential in taking back control?

      1. a-tracy
        November 4, 2022

        Patel needs to be interviewed to ask about the appalling lack of any decent quantity of asylum checks being carried out by her Home office staff. I’d also like to know why their union campaigns pro-immigration when they are the people who are supposed to keep us safe.

        This man guilty of raping a child, are they immediately returned to their home nation to imprison? Asylum claim failed, don’t pass go, don’t pick up your ÂŁ200, back you go?

        The rule of law in this country has failed. Much more of hearing this sort of thing and people will start to get out of control.

    2. Hope
      November 3, 2022

      Cultural destruction of our society, highest taxation with more to come and imposing third world standards on our public services!

      Currently planning for blackouts after banning fracking but import fracked gas from Qatar and US!

      Inter connector electricity cables still being laid despite a vote called Brexit not to be dependent on or carry on being intertwined with the EU!! Fishing, territorial waters!

      Buy goods worth billions of pounds from China using coal fired power stations and transport across the world while blowing up perfectly good coal fired power stations here while the dope Alok Sharmer looked on for a phot op! Integrity Sunak, my arse!

      Sunak is incapable of making a decision not to attend crap27! Pathetically weak.

    3. Timaction
      November 3, 2022

      Indeed. Action this day. Not weeks, months and years. The Tory Party has had 12.5 years to sort this out and have chosen not to. They are either grossly incompetent or lying about their true hidden mass immigration policy. All Westminster politicians including the Lords should have a 20% pay cut and rising for every month they fail to resolve this. Only fair as its English people like me and most other posters on here being taxed to pay for all the illegals costs.

  3. Peter Wood
    November 3, 2022

    Good Morning,

    No doubt it comes as (A NOVEL REGULAR) surprise to each minister, who tries to remove/return illegal immigrants, to be sued by those wishing to allow such people to remain….

    PCP — NOT fit for purpose.
    oxymoron intended..

    1. Peter
      November 3, 2022

      ‘Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?’
      No.
      There will be a lot of talk and maybe proposals that get nowhere. Then there will be excuses. If a minister gets too far they will be briefed against. They can be removed if necessary.

      However a government with a large majority that has been in power for twelve years bears the ultimate responsibility for not rectifying the situation.

      .

      1. Mark B
        November 3, 2022

        Peter

        The message is the same. It is someone else’s fault.

      2. Martyn G
        November 3, 2022

        So far as I can see, if the Whitehall mandarins set their face against their Minister on a given issue, they can and will render the Minister impotent and unable to proceed.
        Currently, the Home Office appears to be determined to Balkanising the UK, regardless of what government or anyone else says or thinks of it.

    2. Ian Wragg
      November 3, 2022

      May signed up to the UN treaty of no such thing as illegal immigration.
      Today census reveals 15% of people in uk were born overseas. The plans to replace the indigenous population is doing nicely .
      Whi eventually will pay the benefits of these freeloaders and crooks.

      1. Know-Dice
        November 3, 2022

        And a few years back 29% of births in this country was to mothers NOT born here.

      2. Nottingham Lad Himself
        November 3, 2022

        The pro-rata crime rate of the UK is about twice that of the Continental average.

        So, without more, if the UK population were entirely replaced by European Union citizens, then its crime rate would be halved.

        At present crime costs us at least 7% of GDP, so to cut that in half would be a huge saving alone.

        1. Peter2
          November 3, 2022

          I see you have moved on from foolishly trying to blame the Conservatives for crime since I proved crime levels were higher under your beloved Labour Party NHL
          Now we have you comparing a large number of very different European nations in terms of industrial development and population densities to the UK.

        2. Mickey Taking
          November 4, 2022

          So what sensible proposals do you make to eliminate the criminals? Execution, limb removal, deportation, seizure of any assets, home etc? I’d like to know as you have radical ideas to solve lots of issues in the UK – or are they mainly aimed at what you witness in Cardiff?

    3. Lifelogic
      November 3, 2022

      Conservative MPs are in the main essentially LibDims or Socialists, pushers of the climate alarmism religion, expensive energy by design, open door immigration, over regulation or everything, endless government waste, ÂŁ sterling devaluation, ever larger government, poor and declining public services and ever higher taxes. JR and about 100 or so excepted. The other parties MPs are nearly all even worse.

      That or worse still they are career politicians on the make serving the interests of people with vested interests such as the green crap industries, the illegal immigration industries, the regulatory & compliance with red tape industries
 rather than the interests of voters.

      Not to mention the pointless lockdown and the pushing of rather dangerous and rather ineffective vaccines.

    4. Monima O’Connor
      November 3, 2022

      Green crap indeed. All parties support this. The only pay attention to us when there is a general election. We were blindsided to get Brexit done and believed Boris at the time. Net zero was let loose on us a year after the pandemic. Michael Gove is advised by green Ben and Zak Goldsmith – both trust fund babes. What on earth can the public do?

  4. Iain gill
    November 3, 2022

    But it’s like the NHS, politicians ask it to provide first rate care, give it lots of money, leave the public sector to get on with it… And what do we see but worst service in the developed world, massive negative balances, upset patients and staff, and politicians get the blame.
    Time to face reality that the senior layers of the public sector, and the consultancies they hire to help them, are crap, same old output from the same old schools and colleges giving each other promotions and back patting while delivery of services is pretty much as poor as it’s possible to be.

    Time for a rethink, more laws are not going to fix this.

  5. turboterrier
    November 3, 2022

    The lack of real measures to deal with this whole situation is highlighted by back bench Tory MPs with Farage actually agreeing with him on the worsening situation on his GBnews evening programme.
    All the while the BBC are interviewing the Albanian PM reporting how he feels our parliament are over reacting to the situation.

    1. Sharon
      November 3, 2022

      Did you see Mark White’s short film on Farages show? He’s uncovered that the cocaine industry in the Uk is now controlled by Albanians. Albanians are literally taking suitcases of cash out of Britain back to Albania. Those many barbers shops and sweet shops (London, I think) that seem to have come from no-where, and rarely have customers are likely money laundering outfits.

      Those in favour of letting everyone in, miss the point and just focus on the assumption that every migrant is a sweet soul in need of saving. They don’t seem to see that although many migrants pay to come, money don’t and have to ‘repay’ the fare. Repay by becoming involved in crime. 20% of all Albanian men are here, in Britain! The situation is an invasion! Suella Braverman is correct.

      1. a-tracy
        November 4, 2022

        No, they’re in the suburbs, too, Sharon. Parking up on the pavements in their 4×4’s never seen customers in the sweety shop.

  6. turboterrier
    November 3, 2022

    Something or someone is exercising a lot of control over our political structure that the situation has not been fully addressed it would appear.
    Is it the charity groups and the legal teams influence as they stay on the rich gravy train milking the public purse or the fear of politicians not wanting to compromise their position?
    What project fear is living and thriving within the corridors of power to prevent closure on dealing with these invaders?

    1. Christine
      November 3, 2022

      Charity groups aiding and abetting illegal immigration should be shut down but we throw taxpayers money at them. Tighter control over these so called charities should be enforced.

    2. Lifelogic
      November 3, 2022

      Indeed but the BBC has a plan. We will call it the “small boat problem” not the huge illegal economic migrant invasion.

      THE BBC may be told to stop using the term “tax burden” as part of a review to avoid bias in its economics coverage. Not only is it a huge burden it is destroying the economy as it is mainly wasted too or spent on entirely the wrong things. Perhaps given the current tax levels call it a tax, energy and over regulation call it a tax sledge hammer on the productive.

      Journalists could ultimately be urged to avoid the phrase as it implicitly presents taxes as unwelcome and to be avoided, according to sources. Tax unwelcome surely not! Well perhaps not unwelcome to the overpaid people who deliver so little while sucking on the State’s many teats.

    3. Bloke
      November 3, 2022

      Some kind old ladies struggle to place 50p in a charity collection box. Organisations such as the RNLI spend increasing sums on TV advertising for more donations. The money donated is used to increase their capacity at sea. People leaving Calais in dinghies become more assured of landing in Kent and increase. High demand for hotels increases the price of accommodation. The old lady struggles to pay hers with so many other increasing costs.

  7. turboterrier
    November 3, 2022

    As shown by Farage on his programme these invaders discard phones and passports and all means of identification. That makes their whole entry process illegal. They lose the right to be processed.
    They might discard their phone but what about the sim card? Has anyone thought to check for it? If they have a criminal mindset they want to remain in contact with their gang masters. Might even help the police in their investigations.

    1. graham1946
      November 3, 2022

      A simple one line bill to legalise ‘not coming through official channels, without paperwork or other proof of origin, no asylum allowed. On the plane to Rwanda.’ They won’t do anything like it of course and my bet is globalist Rishi will do nothing about this either, nor allow his Home Secretary to do it until there is a breakdown of law and order. It’s on the way, and with Kent Council leaders already saying they have had enough, the govt better start taking notice soon. Taking a few out of Manston and abandoning a coachload in central London is not the way to go.

      1. Shirley M
        November 3, 2022

        I can also see the public retaliating. It will start soon as people lose patience and see though the government deceit. The government has done nothing except try to pull the wool over our eyes and the electorate are very VERY angry and skint, yet they are expected to keep paying more and more for uninvited freeloaders who shouldn’t even be in this country. The majority are NOT refugees, as the government know only too well but don’t care anyway. The cash cows can be fleeced more and more.

        1. rose
          November 4, 2022

          No-one, Shirley, is a refugee from France or Belgium. Therefore all should be returned to those countries without indulging in bureaucracy.

      2. glen cullen
        November 3, 2022

        +1 gets my vote

    2. glen cullen
      November 3, 2022

      Liz had a plan for growth and immigration, and they got rid of her 
.tells you everything you need to know about this tory government

      1. rose
        November 5, 2022

        Glen, the PCP could not bring itself to defend the top rate of 40p which had pertained throughout the Blair/Brown regime. Now, as a consequence of its cowardice and stupidity, it must defend the Sunaks, Infosys, and a smash and grab raid budget.

  8. Mark B
    November 3, 2022

    Good morning.

    First of all, all government Ministers, Civil Serpents and members of the general public, including these so called ‘Elites’ have to abide by the law of the land – End of !

    And who creates said laws ? Parliament, that’s who !

    It is Parliament that signed us up to the ECHR. It is Parliament that has created laws on immigration and people trafficking that, according to clauses said laws which are being exploited by criminal gangs, allow them to remain in the UK.

    It is the government that funds various ‘charities’ that take said government to court over laws that Parliament has passed.

    I for the life of me see no hidden hand of the so called ‘Elites’. All I see, is a bunch of elected and unelected individuals, many of whom are little more than voting fodder for their respective political party. They do not act either in our or the nations best interests.

    As I alluded to in my post from yesterday (still in moderation), it is time for them all to go !

    Alas, we do not have a modern day Oliver Cromwell, so I guess we will have to do it ourselves.

    1. R.Grange
      November 3, 2022

      A ‘hidden hand’ is hidden, Mark. That’s probably why you don’t see it.

      Others look at what goes on in the world, compares that with what corporate billionaires/think tanks say they want to happen, and draw appropriate conclusions.

    2. Shirley M
      November 3, 2022

      Agreed, Mark B. Our politicians make the law and with an 80 seat majority this government COULD have passed many laws to help our country deal with with every problem that plagues it, but didn’t. WHY NOT? They would rather pass laws to handicap and damage the UK, and they do, regularly! They are not working in the UK’s interests. WHY NOT? That is their job and what they are paid for.

      Is the next stop another traitorous ‘Benn Act’ to really put the boot in and make sure the the Brits know their place (which is at the bottom of Parliaments priorities). I do believe this Parliament would rather defend the illegal invaders than the Brits! Anything to bring the country down. Do all these undemocratic politicians have a green card so they can escape the bankrupt hell hole they are creating?

      1. rose
        November 4, 2022

        Shirley, I think it is an Emperor’s New Clothes syndrome. No-one in Parliament dare go against the virtue signallers for fear of being thought beyond the pale. Suella is the small child in the crowd who has at last said the Emperor has no clothes!

    3. Christine
      November 3, 2022

      All roads lead back to parliament and our traitorous politicians. They are the problem and always have been. The British people need to remove them and soon. Immigration and net zero will be the death of this country.

      1. Shirley M
        November 3, 2022

        Well said, Christine, but we know they will blame anyone but themselves. Parliament in dominated by undemocratic UK haters. The democratic politicians in Parliament appear to be totally ineffective so I see no reason in keeping any of them.

    4. turboterrier
      November 3, 2022

      Mark B
      Well said bang on the money.
      You last paragraph will arrive sooner than later when the people roll up their sleeves and sort it.

    5. Mickey Taking
      November 3, 2022

      We don’t want a King to decide anything (except what to do about his relatives) nor do we want what passes for a Government..

  9. SM
    November 3, 2022

    Regardless of the subject matter, this is in many ways a public ‘service’ issue at heart.

    30yrs ago, when my son started his first job, he was allocated another person’s NI number – we chased over hill and dale to get it rectified, as the officials involved all shrugged their shoulders. After 3 months, I ended up speaking to an official in Liverpool (we lived in London) who suggested in all seriousness that I come up there and change the details on their computers. When I pointed out that I had neither the authority nor the knowledge to do so, some light went on his brain and he reluctantly agreed it was indeed his job, and the matter was sorted.

    When my very sick daughter was taken for blood tests this week, the nurse severely reprimanded her (after much bleeding) for not mentioning that she was on blood-thinning medication – yet shouldn’t the professional have asked about such a matter first?

    Public officials/civil servants etc have no need to please their customers – their employers won’t go ‘out of business’ or lose their own money if their clients are unsatisfied, so they can do just as they please, according to their political views or their work ethic, and that mindset appears to have been endemic in the Home Office for decades.

    1. turboterrier
      November 3, 2022

      SM
      Come on remember that nurses go to university to train and qualify.
      That doesn’t guarantee common sense and people skills.
      Had bloods taken yesterday like being treated by a robot such was the total lack of social skills.

      1. Shirley M
        November 3, 2022

        I’ve spoken with lots of consultants recently. They appear to prioritise avoidance of treatment instead of helping save lives. We must all ‘save the NHS’, even those being allowed (chosen?) to die through lack of treatment. There must be millions of us by now!

  10. Bryan Harris
    November 3, 2022

    Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?

    Judging by the pantomime around number 10 in recent years, the answer is no….. VERY CLEARLY these so-called elites have some kind of stranglehold on our democratic processes.

    Now that some of us have recognized this fact, it remains to be seen what our representatives in our parliamentary democracy are going to do about it to regain control ………. The signs do not look good.

    Surrendering given powers to an external body should be marked as treachery – in WW1 they used to shoot those found guilty of cowardice against the enemy. How will those who gave away our sovereignty be rewarded I wonder?

    1. PeteB
      November 3, 2022

      + 1 Bryan.
      On the headline question, trying something that goes against concensus thinking is doomed to failure in today’s world. Examples:
      – KK cutting taxes to increase Growth – blocked
      – Any effort to restructure the NHS for greater efficiency – blocked
      – Allow gas fracking where it is supported – blocked
      – Illegal economic migrants – say no more
      – Even the trivial case of Sunak saying he’d skip COP27 – not allowed, change your plan

    2. Cuibono
      November 3, 2022

      +many
      I think that Brexit proves that “democracy” always was a sham.
      Of course you can vote for what you want. You will ALWAYS get it
just as long as it is what we have programmed you to want! MSM compliance very important..so buy it!!
      Of course the elite is “relaxed” about boat landings.
      Mass immigration = money and power and a nice bit of chaos thrown in.

      1. glen cullen
        November 3, 2022

        I as a commoner feel just as distant from Parliament, our Lords & MPs, as the poor commoners must have from the Parliament of Great Britain 1707

        1. Cuibono
          November 3, 2022

          +many
          Absolutely.
          I feel rather stateless.

      2. Timaction
        November 3, 2022

        The only proper news is GB News. The rest is left wing woke propaganda.

        1. Fedupsoutherner
          November 3, 2022

          We watch it every night. Farage is brilliant in Stoke on Trent tonight.

          1. glen cullen
            November 3, 2022

            Just Brilliant

    3. turboterrier
      November 3, 2022

      Bryan Harris

      A seat in the Lords

  11. Michael Malone
    November 3, 2022

    Here! Here!

  12. Cuibono
    November 3, 2022

    Well
government minister have NO problem whatsoever implementing policies that are disliked by those who (stupidly) vote for them and are forced to pay their wages.
    When it suits they find ways of doing the unthinkable!

  13. Shirley M
    November 3, 2022

    It is very simple. These people do NOT work on behalf of the UK, and they have zero respect for democracy and the legal citizens of the UK. They would rather bring the country to its knees but the democrats in Parliament don’t call it out, so they indirectly support it. Why do political parties allow MP’s of this nature to remain in their party? They do themselves no favours, as these people make the whole party look undemocratic and uncaring of the legal residents of the UK. People are very angry over this invasion (and it IS an invasion) but they don’t blame lawyers or individual MP’s. They quite rightly blame the political party, who COULD do something about the undemocratic members, but don’t, and the government, who COULD do something about the undemocratic actions, but don’t.

    The majority of Parliament is anti-anything that would benefit the UK and they would rather destroy the country than respect democracy and the electorate. They disgust me and they shouldn’t even be in Parliament.

    1. Fedupsoutherner
      November 3, 2022

      Hear, hear Shirley and yet people keep voting for the same old failures.

    2. turboterrier
      November 3, 2022

      Shirley M
      It all starts with selection process criteria.
      It is quite obvious that there is none.
      It’s the same with all parties across the house, that is why there is very little progress with anything. Too many outside their competency level.

  14. Nigl
    November 3, 2022

    Read Alistair Heath in the DT this morning. The Tory right has surrendered to the technocrats through incompetence bad luck and failing to recognise the strength of the opposition.

    He goes on to list the areas where you have achieved almost nothing from making the most of Brexit to whingeing about the OBR, left wing think tanks, to what we saw only yesterday, a pathetic attempt to spin that this time money going to the NHS will require reform. Failure after failure.

    Sunak rightly thinking going to the COP conference not necessary. In an instant U turns in the face of media and Twitter pushback. That’s not leadership, that’s jelly spined, submission and that runs through the Cabinet and on.

    If you need to ask why you are in denial. Alistair Heath sets it out in brutal detail.

    1. Sir Joe Soap
      November 3, 2022

      Yes it’s the small actions which signpost to the larger ones. We can ask why Sunak changed his mind and it’s for the very same reason that all the other failures including the illegal immigration one has happened. A mixture of social media pressure and people having a word in his ear and Sunak flops to the jelly spine we always knew he had.

    2. hefner
      November 3, 2022

      Apart from being a journalist at the Telegraph, has Alistair Heath any mandate from the public? Or is he just a ‘big mouth’ that so many here on this blog adore? Why do you consider him worth listening? Is he making deep analyses of the overall present situation, or is he just a piece of a broken mirror only reflecting a tiny bit of that situation?
      Maybe people should start thinking a bit more about who put Alistair in his job and why?

      BTW, the above questions apply to all column journalists in all kinds of newspapers and magazines.

      1. Shirley M
        November 3, 2022

        Which ‘big mouths’ do you prefer? Osborne, Blair, Cameron, May, Gauke and Amber Rudd maybe? Oops, I forgot to mention Adonis. Luckily, we have Dominic Frisby’s song to remind us who exactly turned traitor and favoured the EU over their own sovereign country! Thankfully, we got rid of many, but there any many more to go, and they will go, but they may take the democratic members of their party with them!

      2. Peter2
        November 3, 2022

        Nice swerve in your last sentence there heffy otherwise we might think your political bias was driving your dislike of just one journalist.

    3. rose
      November 3, 2022

      No-one has been more in denial of the danger to Brexit than Nigel Farage who enthusiastically joined the No Boris No Brexit campaign without realizing what a useful idiot he was being. Brexit is irreversible, he kept declaring, that ship has sailed, when it was obvious how powerful were the forces determined to overthrow it, and that overthrowing Boris was the essential first step. Why else did he think they were throwing the kitchen sink at it?

      1. Shirley M
        November 3, 2022

        We were all fooled by the lies and the fake manifesto of Boris’s government. I doubt Farage is any more psychic than we are!

    4. Merrie qubus
      November 3, 2022

      We really have to face the facts: apart from a few honourable exceptions, most of the MPs are in the game for their own aggrandisement. Did anyone notice how Robert Genrick backed away from giving Suelle Braveman his full-hearted support yesterday: invasion, not a word he would have used.

    5. Lifelogic
      November 4, 2022

      +1

  15. Roy Grainger
    November 3, 2022

    Why ? Because the elite are Labour voters and anything they can do to undermine the Conservatives is fine by them. Also Sunak and a number of Conservative MPs seem fixated on appeasing people who would never vote for them anyway – hence they will not vote to leave ECHR etc.

  16. Old Albion
    November 3, 2022

    We need a Conservative government …………… Oh! wait a minute.

    1. glen cullen
      November 3, 2022

      Agree – I don’t see any Tory policies or achievements

  17. Mick
    November 3, 2022

    It’s quite easily sorted as I saw on a tv clip the other night, there were about twenty illegals carrying a inflatable to the sea and a police or some sort of official put a slash in it and guess what they dump it and retreated back to the scrub, so it’s not rocket science get some our elite forces to do the same and if the French don’t like it TOUGH

    1. beresford
      November 3, 2022

      Apparently the French police have been advised that they can’t puncture the dinghies once they are in the water, after a migrant advocacy group launched a court case claiming that migrants could be harmed scrambling back to shore. So the smugglers are launching the dinghies elsewhere, sailing them round to the beach, and making the migrants wade out. We are not the only people who allow themselves to be bound by court orders that lack common sense. Meanwhile Poland, who is serious about avoiding invasion, is erecting a high fence along its border with Kaliningrad after signs that Russia intends to launch a wave of migrants there in order to destabilise Poland. Note that both Poland and Russia understand the effect of mass immigration.

      1. glen cullen
        November 3, 2022

        The French police don’t have to slash the rubber boats 
they could perhaps arrest them ! I know it’s a bit of a novel idea

        1. Mickey Taking
          November 3, 2022

          You must be able to prove your identity either by providing documents when asked or within 4 hours at a police station. Identity documents can be a passport, a photo driving licence or other documentation provided by a government body. Concealing your face in public places in France is illegal.

          1. glen cullen
            November 4, 2022

            and yet the French police just let them go…go go try tomorrow, try another beach

      2. rose
        November 4, 2022

        Perhpas, Beresford, we will send our army to help the Poles repel their invaders as we did last time.

    2. Chris S
      November 3, 2022

      Are you seriously suggesting we use the SBS to invade France and slash dinghies on the beaches ?
      That’s ludicrous : You might as well just declare war on France !

      1. Mickey Taking
        November 3, 2022

        The French declared war on us but hid it behind cupped hands.

      2. rose
        November 4, 2022

        Are you suggesting the French navy continue to escort illegal immigrants into our waters, Chris? They might as well declare war on us. That is what the Russians also do to the Poles and our army goes to help them repel the invaders, smaller numbers than we are facing on our South Coast.

        Slashing dinghies, if it were done thoroughly, would prevent a much uglier situation from developing.

    3. SM
      November 3, 2022

      I have read this week that the French police have been firmly told not to slash the dinghies as the occupants might have a watery mishap or two.

      Mind you, I’ve also read that the migrants trying to cross the Spanish plot of land (Melilla?) on the African/Mediterranean coast in order to get to Europe have met with live fire from the Spanish guards.

    4. Timaction
      November 3, 2022

      Plus find out who is manufacturing the boats and arrest them for conspiracy.

    5. a-tracy
      November 3, 2022

      Mick how difficult is it to find out who is making these boats and insisting on them only being able to sell them to registered people like cars are. The UK is a taker of rules, we follow them, the EU take the Mickey.

    6. Mickey Taking
      November 4, 2022

      all designed to pretend they take serious action for the ÂŁmillions we pay them. Who paid for the video clip – the French Government?

  18. Mike Stallard
    November 3, 2022

    If you live in nice little Surrey, next door to the pub on the village green, and commute into London to make money, that is one thing. And I bet it makes you all warm inside to defend fragile asylum seekers.
    If you live out here in North Cambs where my wife and next door neighbour (local man brought up on a farm) are afraid to go into our local town after dark and where even hardened social workers are in despair, life looks slightly different.
    There are just 8 police in our local town, the police station and law courts were pretty well shut ten years ago. Meanwhile two Russians turned up at our (closed) village church asking for somewhere to sleep and I dare not enter our local woods. Very nasty looking gangs sometimes wander our village streets as they head for the safety of the town.
    Suella Braverman is right – please do support her. Turning the boats round and sending them home – or sinking them on the French beach (forbidden thanks to Utopia) would be utterly just and even merciful).

  19. Nigl
    November 3, 2022

    And in other news we read the spin about windfall taxes populist through punishing greedy companies as if they are a sentient entity.

    They are not and in fact what you are doing is dumping more tax on ordinary working people, albeit indirectly. These taxes reduce dividends so individual share holders are in effect being taxed and more importantly hitting pension funds who rely on the income in turn passing it down to people needing it for their standard of living.

    To suggest it is somehow independent of our overall tax burden is deliberately disingenuous. It is another chain round our neck from your failed government.

  20. Donna
    November 3, 2022

    Parliament passed the laws which facilitate this trade in people.

    Parliament signed us up to the ECHR. Parliament passed the HRA and Modern Slavery Act. Parliament has agreed to throw our money at illegal migrants giving them “free” hotel accommodation; “free” housing; “free” NHS treatment; “free” mobiles; “free” education; “free” money; “free” legal aid’ “free” interpreters …. and the rest.

    Parliament decided to saddle us with a BRINO instead of the Brexit we voted for.

    What Parliament did, Parliament could undo or change.

    If the Government wanted to change all these things, it could.

    It doesn’t want to.

    1. Shirley M
      November 3, 2022

      + many, Donna. I agree 100%. We gave them an 80 seat majority, which they have stupidly used against us.

    2. Iain Moore
      November 3, 2022

      +1

      They blame the people smugglers , but our politicians are these gangsters best friends in the laws they have passed that bind our hands and makes their business model . Worse, like the EU, they have off shored our laws via international agreements which puts the laws beyond our democratic control, for it won’t matter who we elect they will never summon up the courage to claw back that sovereignty . They would rather watch our country going to hell in a hand cart than upset their mates in these international bodies, in fact they would happily commit electoral suicide than do what is right by our country. We see how spineless they are in that Sunak can’t even say ‘No’ to a COP conference , so there is precious little chance of him pulling out of the ECHR or Refugee Convention.

    3. beresford
      November 3, 2022

      +1. It is also the Government that makes the choice to leave all the factors blocking deportation unchanged whilst wringing their hands and pointing at those factors.

    4. glen cullen
      November 3, 2022

      Spot On Donna

    5. turboterrier
      November 3, 2022

      Donna
      + many

    6. Ian B
      November 3, 2022

      @Donna +1
      The House of Commons are earning the right to all be dismissed as irrelevant all the time how we are Governed by those we cannot elect and deselect, that make our Laws Rules and Regulations that then cant be amended or repealed by those that represent us.

  21. Bill B.
    November 3, 2022

    ‘We need to ask why’ – no, we have asking why for years now, We need to find out why. Are those responsible in it for financial gain, or some other motive? If the latter, which? Those in positions of power in Britain actively supporting the invasion need to be exposed.

  22. Lentona
    November 3, 2022

    Yes, a government minister can do anything she likes. Yet more of your shameful blaming of a non-existent elite for the total failure of your Brexit experiment.

    1. Pud
      November 3, 2022

      Civil servants actively campaigned against the policy of sending purported asylum seekers to Rwanda.

    2. graham1946
      November 3, 2022

      No, not even a PM can do as they like. Liz Truss was not brought down by public vote but by Tory back biting and back stabbing, against all the tenets of democracy. There was a sham 3 month long hustings and vote and even though she won by a margin, that was not allowed to stand in a Tory ‘democracy’. She was of course inadequate and cost a lot of money, but can you name a PM that wasn’t in that mould in the last 30 odd years?

    3. Hat man
      November 3, 2022

      So you think government ministers can do anything they like, Lentona, and global elites don’t exist? Ministers such as Kwazi Kwarteng, for example? He was openly criticised by a very much in existence IMF, then sacked. Then on 26th October, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres, also very much in existence, told the BBC that he would like to see Mr Sunak attend COP 27. Now the Prime Minister has changed his mind and fallen into line with what the UN wanted.

      But I’m an optimist, and I’m looking forward to seeing some of that ministerial autonomy that you believe in. Starting with Suella Braverman.

    4. hefner
      November 3, 2022

      How weak and insecure must MPs on the right of the CUP feel for only being able to frame any debate in terms of elite or Establishment vs the rest? As if a 40-year political career with 35 years as a MP and some successful financial activities aside were not putting Sir John in the first privileged category.
      He as champion of widows and orphans? Well, I ‘don’t believe you’.

    5. Peter2
      November 3, 2022

      Plainly compete nonsense Lentona.
      Do a quick Internet search.
      Look up the legal restrictions and legal responsibilities ministers of the Crown have to abide by.
      And their actions fan be challenged in the Courts.
      And their actions can be scrutinised by overeating Parliamentary committees.
      Surely you realise all this.

      1. Peter2
        November 3, 2022

        can…
        overseeing…

  23. Christine
    November 3, 2022

    “She will need to make sure this time the law is watertight as so many seem to want to stop the implementation of this popular policy.”

    We were told it was water tight last time.

    1. Sir Joe Soap
      November 3, 2022

      No we need to identify the people who are actually pushing back and name them.

    2. Shirley M
      November 3, 2022

      I believe it was deliberately bad, to encourage legal challenge (at additional expense, naturally). It was just another CON of the electorate.

    3. Ian B
      November 3, 2022

      @Christine We are still abiding by Laws that have not been made by an independent Sovereign Democratic Country. In fact they are made by a higher power than our elected representatives, who have no right to amend or repeal them. The brave new World of WEF control

  24. MPC
    November 3, 2022

    Hang on you are being disingenuous that this is the fault of an ‘official machine’. Sunak was boasting yesterday in PMQs about the procurement of more hotels as a solution. He and his government are the problem and they are facilitating its continuation.

  25. Michelle
    November 3, 2022

    Many excellent comments made on this subject on here.
    What many don’t realise I suppose is that people have been coming over via inflatables and in the backs of lorries for a very long time. They have also been well advised of the trick of ditching their identity documents. I lived in the Dover area for a few years and this was going on way back when I moved there 2005. We are now 2022.
    We should be experts in the field of deterring and removing.
    Instead we have the same old lame excuses. Nothing has been done to curb the powers of immigration lawyers or human rights lawyers. Nothing has been done to curb the powers of charities, who are to a man run by those with a left wing mass immigration agenda.
    Then there is the media run by the same set of people who whip up the public with hard luck stories, and language conjuring up nazi excesses.

    If the powers that be really wanted this stopped I’m willing to bet good money it would have ceased long ago.
    I also believe there’s a little bit of smoke and mirrors going on.
    While the illegal numbers are high and this situation should not be going on, it detracts the public from the enormous amounts of immigration going on ‘legally’.
    Whether Braverman is genuine in wanting to cut immigration numbers (which Patel never was in fact under her its potential to explode even further was immense, especially form India!!) remains to be seen.
    Whether if she is genuine on that she is allowed to do so also remains to be seen.

    What I do know for sure is that mass immigration into this country is unpopular, but a lot of people are making money and so it continues.
    It is also blatantly obvious that the wishes and human rights of those of us whose home this is by virtue of centuries are being spat on.

    1. rose
      November 4, 2022

      Michelle, the incursions were going on in the 1990s when Anne Widdecombe was Minister of State at the Home Office. They knew about it but chose to do nothing. Baby boomers are incapable of nipping anything in the bud, whether it be half a dozen tents in a Cathedral close, or half a dozen boats arriving with uninvited, unidentified passengers. They have passed this reckless irresponsibility and ineptitude, which poses as moral superiority, on to the succeeding generation in spades.

  26. Narrow Shoulders
    November 3, 2022

    As we are a sovereign nation why can we not just write into law that anyone arriving here illegally, without documentation is not entitled to apply for asylum. As an island nation this seems reasonable.

    This law can be complemented by adapting our embassies to process claims from abroad by appointment thus fulfilling whatever international legal requirements we have. The people traffickers can then move their business model to assisting their customers in getting appointments and making their claims.

    There is a booming business in help for visas around our embassies so those prepared to pay traffickers will find willing recipients for their cash to help with administration.

    The numbers coming here will be necessarily limited by the number of hours in the day but the bottle necks won’t be in Kent.

  27. Denis Cooper
    November 3, 2022

    I happened to see a chap on TV saying that a large part of the problem is that claims for UK asylum can only be lodged after arrival in the UK, and this restriction is actively exploited by people smugglers as a powerful selling point for their services. He maintained that this is the case even for those Afghans who helped us during the occupation but got left behind in the rushed evacuation. I don’t know whether or not this is true but if so then it does seem daft. Surely if we set up places abroad where applications could be made then most of the people who would still be prepared to pay for an illegal and fairly risky Channel crossing in a small boat would be those whose applications had already been rejected, who could be identified on arrival in the UK through biometrics taken when they applied, while others who had believed that their out of country applications would be rejected could be asked why they had not applied in France, or any other safe country further back along the migration chain, and unless they had a very good answer their applications could be automatically rejected. Doing this may contravene some international convention we accepted some time in the past but despite what Baroness W and Lords H K and P think Parliament is sovereign, the supreme legal authority for the UK, and it can legislate to disapply that international convention within UK law, and order all UK courts to judge cases accordingly.

    1. graham1946
      November 4, 2022

      We do have places abroad, actually in just about every country there is, where it could be done – they are called Embassies. I have seen a few in Africa and have even attended one to try to get an African a holiday visa to visit the UK under my supervision and expense. It was a complete shambles and seems to exist only to provide a nice comfortable billet for failed friends of the government. They could be made to work, but the govt does not want to do it or seemingly anything that looks like hard work.

      1. Denis Cooper
        November 7, 2022

        Thanks for that reply. I googled for:

        “Can I apply for asylum in a UK embassy?”

        and the answer was:

        “People must be physically present in the UK to claim asylum. It is not possible to apply for asylum via a UK embassy, or to apply for a visa for the purpose of coming to seek asylum in the UK.”

        That was taken from page 8 of this Briefing Paper:

        https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9000/CBP-9000.pdf

        “Asylum claims in the UK: common questions”

    2. ChrisS
      November 4, 2022

      The problem is that very few of those coming by boat would ever have an asylum claim accepted because they are overwhelmingly young men who are purely economic migrants, either from a safe country ( Albania ), or from Africa or the Middle East.

      Many of the boats are deliberately sent over with insufficient fuel to reach our coast and when the engine stops and they are in British waters, the Law of the Sea says that we must pick them up.
      France will not take them back, so we have to land them in the UK.

      The only 100% sure remedies that will end the flow lie with the French : Either they must be stopped from leaving the French coast or France would have to accept their immediate return. Macron will do neither.

      Rwanda may well stop the flow but to have the same effect if must be allowed to operate and would need to handle all of those arriving. That looks unlikely.

  28. Sir Joe Soap
    November 3, 2022

    “Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?”
    Since the answer is clearly “no” we need to move on and ask “why not?” and then presumably “who is preventing them?”. The only answer is to flush them out.

  29. Narrow Shoulders
    November 3, 2022

    40 boat people from Afghanistan let out of Marston by themselves because they had relatives in London? That is not a recipe for disaster at all is it?

  30. Nigl
    November 3, 2022

    Look no further than Will Tanner joining Sunak’s team as a senior adviser. A centrist and well known supporter of Theresa Mays failed ideas.

    There’s another answer for you Sir JR. How many more do you need. Another establishment implant.

  31. Cuibono
    November 3, 2022

    Get rid of political correctness.
    Give us back the power of free speech.
    Make it illegal for msm to get political backhanders
    Let boys fight in the playground.
    And abolish a million stupidities along the same lines.

    “Yes
we ARE the Nasty Party!
    Get over it cos we have an 80 seat majority.”
    Then watch the polls
100 point lead!

  32. Berkshire Alan
    November 3, 2022

    The problem John is the law is far too complex, and in trying to cover every single aspect, you leave loopholes.

    You need much more simple rules where there can be absolutely no different interpretations.
    Anyone entering the UK without the correct documentation will be immediately deported back to the Country from which they came, or to a Country of the UK choice.
    Photographs, fingerprints and DNA should be taken for our own records.
    For a second offence an automatic 10 year ban on entry.
    For a third offence an automatic lifetime ban.

    1. beresford
      November 3, 2022

      Not much point banning somebody who isn’t legally entitled to enter in the first place. More like mandatory substantial prison sentences for those who return after deportation, followed by re-deportation. We have to take illegal re-entry seriously rather than as some sort of ‘wide game’. If they have any legitimate reason to return they can always ask the Home Office for a temporary visa.

  33. Brian Tomkinson
    November 3, 2022

    JR: “Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?”
    The answer to that question is clearly ‘No’. If the ministers are sincere and not just courting popularity with their words, then the country is not a properly functioning democracy. Not only is the asylum system broken but the Home Office is still not fit for purpose as John Reid MP told us back in 2006!

  34. Iain Gill
    November 3, 2022

    where is lifelogic? is he ok? does anyone know?

  35. James Strong
    November 3, 2022

    Look at how quickly the government and Parliament acted over Covid.
    Then look at how slowly they have acted over the small boat migrants across the Channel. And the government still has a very useful majority.
    This crisis is not new, whatever the BBC tries to suggest in its reports.

    But nothing has been done because the government doesn’t want to do anything.

  36. Dave Andrews
    November 3, 2022

    Of all the reasons, let’s not be fooled into thinking compassion in the Home Office is part of it. As we saw in the misery of the Windrush generation, they don’t have any. They must be acting for political reasons.

  37. Lynn Atkinson
    November 3, 2022

    With the rationing of essentials imminent, because we have attacked Russia without declaring war, for what reason I know not (after all the did not attack us because of our NI civil war), unless the authorities resolve this the people will. See the police failure re oil protestors.

  38. Paul Edwards
    November 3, 2022

    Why Sir John do you keep referring to these ‘elites’ without naming them. It is like telling your young children about the ‘bogeyman’ who will get you if you don’t go to sleep.
    The truth is that Brexit has reduced our influence in Europe ( eg Dublin agreement), the government has no strategy on immigration( why not welcome those who have skills and can contribute rather than constant reference to illegals and smuggling gangs). As the Inspector said‘ get a grip’. Patel and Bravaman have shown no political skill- just dog whistle appeal to the right. As for Rwanda – a work of fiction that would mitigate a tiny minority of arrivals if any.

  39. David Cooper
    November 3, 2022

    To be specific, it’s not legislation we need, it’s repeals, in parallel with repudiation of ECHR jurisdiction – no one could ever have contemplated that a nation would condone being made a soft touch via the aspirational “rights” that the ECHR purports to uphold – and with the revision (preferably the tearing up) of the hotels and benefits package that some misguided minister or civil servant implemented when the invasion was merely a minor problem that the elite sought to brush under the carpet.

    If these repeals, repudiation and revision are beyond the capability or will of a government that calls itself Conservative, what steps may be open to the supporters and members of that party, and indeed the elected representatives and ministers who serve under its banner?

  40. Mark J
    November 3, 2022

    The Conservative party has a simple choice.

    Sort this issue of illegal migration ASAP, or lose the next election.

    People will not be voting for you come the next election of this issue is still ongoing, or worse come the next election.

    There have been many sensible professional voices on Talk TV advising how the problem could be sorted, yet the Government still plods along utterly clueless on how to deal with this.

    The main rhetoric is to adopt a zero tolerance policy, with regards to Albanians – who are not fleeing a war torn country. Immediately deporting them upon arrival. This would then allow more resources to be dedicated to other cases.

    I quite frankly could not give a stuff what the ECHR thinks.

    It is not fair, nor right to find out that illegal migrants are now being housed in 5* hotels at our expense. How is that policy fair on those that struggle to make ends meet with their rent, food and energy costs – with yet more tax rises forthcoming.

    Whilst those that rock up in the UK illegally are housed in luxury accommodation, with no energy, food, or rent bills to worry about. It is also not right that illegal migrants are being housed in private accommodation with bills covered for five years by the taxpayer. Your party are building up a huge amount of anger and resentment by those that are struggling in the current climate.

    Illegal should mean just that – no right to any of this. The old adage of “no recourse to public funds” seems to have gone out the window.

  41. John McDonald
    November 3, 2022

    Your words Sir John just prove we no longer live in a true Democracy and are governed by people who think they Know better than the people. Especially if it suits their own view and there is money or promotion to be made out of what they do, or stop being done.
    You are right that the conspiracy theory of a few billionaires controlling the world is unbelievable, it’s much much worse than that. Trillionaires are involved, group think, Globalists etc.
    It’s even worse than “Yes Minister”😱

  42. Sea_Warrior
    November 3, 2022

    I’ve now finished reading two books by Tom Bowers: one on Tony Blair and the other on Boris Johnson. They are one and the same! This leaves me feeling that we will usually be badly-governed in this country. I see no indication that a flip-flopping-on-COP27 Sunak will turn around the Conservative ship as it heads for a grounding on the rocks of socialism, to which it has been willingly steered. And that means that the electorate will vote-in Labour at the next election – being too thick to see that Labour will be even worse than this truly execrable government, and just thinking that a change is as good as a rest. I have voted Conservative throughout my life but I am thoroughly disheartened. And if I am, you can bet that millions of others are. I’m now off to see if I can find a clip from ‘Excalibur’, to cheer myself up.

    1. Mitchel
      November 4, 2022

      Excalibur-John Boorman’s film about the Knights of the Round Table?
      I love the clip of Nicol Williamson,as Merlin,delivering the line:

      “A dream to some;A NIGHTMARE TO OTHERS!”

  43. agricola
    November 3, 2022

    Not complex SJ.

    The civil service (officials) have their own political agenda. The are doing what they were taught to do by Brussels when elected members of parliament were bypassed in the process of adapting EU law in the UK. They had a major part in creating that law and since leaving are very reluctant to hand that power back to the electorate and their representatives. Stop pretending the civil service is the same animal it was in 1960. Along with the BBC they need to be put back in their respective boxes. The CS by adopting hire and fire, the BBC by casting them to the commercial world.

    It should be even easier with lawyers. Once it has been established that most of those invading the UK across the Channel are either economic migrants, criminals, or undocumented, achievable within a month of arrival, all legal aid should cease. Cut off the money stream and lawyers will revert to other activities, perhaps joining their majority colleagues in Parliament. The illegals could then choose between their country of origin or a work camp in West Falkland.

  44. No Longer Anonymous
    November 3, 2022

    Politicians are obsolete and have made themselves so. If the decisions are already made why do we need debate ? Think of the savings that could be made !

    Today’s equivalent of the mining industry. The latest trade most in need of reform and cutting back is politics.

  45. Bloke
    November 3, 2022

    A Govt Minister cannot do things that the elite dislike and choose to block. Elite means superior. Even our so-called Supreme Court cannot overrule something superior to it.

    We UK people select our representatives. Govt Ministers should be elite. Our Home Secretary or Supreme Court should decide ultimate outcomes without delays.

  46. glen cullen
    November 3, 2022

    There are lots of government and legal mechanisms that we could do to stop illegal migration, however this government choices not to implement them

    Repeal the ECHRs and any other international human rights treaty and create our own
    Patrol and stop illegal boats mid channel and escort back to embark point
    Return any illegal migration back to France same day
    Only house illegal migration in secure ex-military barracks – No hotels or accommodation in the community
    No access allowed when landed to mobile phones, NGOs, media, legal advice
    The decision of border force/home office is final – no court appeals
    AND
    Universities must hold the passports of foreign students and they must return home when their course is finished
    Foreign students must have enough funds so not to be a burden on the state – the can’t claim for any benefit or take employment while being a student
    Foreign students must return home to reapply to a further course of study
    Increase the level of wages a foreign worker must start at, at one and a half times the national salary with surety that the employer will fund their stay so not to be a burden on the state

    All possible with a 75 seat majority but only if we leave the ECHRs

  47. Ian B
    November 3, 2022

    “Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?”
    I would say does the Government care or think that far? On present trends along with reneging and breaking promises just to get elected. Every Conservative value along with the UK is trashed.
    It all started with Boris reneging on getting ‘Brexit done’ to get elected, he didn’t, and the huff and puff excuses flowed. Just because they think they have got away with it once, they then take the same steps over and over. What you say isn’t what you need to do.
    It is a Criminal Offence in the UK to enter the Country illegally, its an offence to drive above the speed limits in the UK. One crime gets a free pass and handed lots of money for their efforts, the other gets fined exorbitant amounts remotely with the threat pay up or we double it.

    We only need to renounce the Europeon Court of Human rights and have our representatives in Parliment decide what is right or wrong for the UK. The ECHR is incompatible with Democacy .

  48. Ian B
    November 3, 2022

    The Government one way or another is aiding and abetting the People Traffickers. They allow the Border Force and the RNLI to facilitate extreme profiteering by criminal gangs.
    In he US boat people have to make it to the shore under their own steam before they get arrested.
    Then add in these individuals are said to be paying between £3000-£10000 for the ferry ride from the EU to the UK and we are told they then have no money to pay for their own accommodation – pull the other one. The UK taxpayer is paying £1225 each week to accommodate each one of these criminals then handing them spending money. While at the same time the UK basic State pension at £141.85 after contributing for a minimum of 30years is said by Rishi and Jeremy to be too much money to provide a home, heating lighting and food.
    Who does this shower in Government work for?

    1. Diane
      November 4, 2022

      I’ve said this before but the amounts being paid by these individuals is well in excess of what many people will save in their entire lifetime. A report recently showed that a vast number of people have little in the way of savings. Many with less than ÂŁ1000, others with less than ÂŁ500 and many with nothing like that. Many just pay their way as best they can, live within their means and many somehow manage to also assist and oversee older family members with very little extra help or ability / qualification to make additional claims.

    2. rose
      November 4, 2022

      “Who does this shower in Government work for”, Ian? The EU Commission. The plan must be to make us so poor that either we beg to go back in or an emergency measure to take us back in is passed. Then we can bail them out in the coming storm.

  49. turboterrier
    November 3, 2022

    Christine
    Send them to the Falklands last time I checked it was still British territory.
    They could be used to build roads and runways even their own houses.
    Out of the lifeboat into a plane allows the RAF to keep their C47s flying good training etc what’s not to like?

  50. Original Richard
    November 3, 2022

    This is not the right question.

    It is perfectly obvious that this Government, even when given an 80 seat majority, does not intend to execute its manifesto promises to “control immigration” so that “overall numbers will come down”.

    The Government (Cabinet Office and Home Office) even funds the organisations taking it to court over its Rwanda plans.

    Not that any other party in Parliament today would act any differently.

    The correct question is why the voters keep voting for Parliaments that wish to use open borders to destroy our social cohesion and nationhood and CAGW/Net Zero to destroy our economy and prosperity.

  51. The Prangwizard
    November 3, 2022

    It is clear to most that administration has been infiltrated and those on the political Left who wish to take control of our country’s security and everything else now act withour fear. They are supported by most of the MSM who are determined in particular at present to campaign for the removal and frustration of the present Home Secretary.

    We do not have an honest elected government. It is under control of others, by secret bodies and subvesive individuals at home and abroad. Nothing our PM says can be relied upon. Who controls him and whose side is he on?

  52. Mark Thomas
    November 3, 2022

    Sir John,
    The only way to stop the illegal Channel crossings is to intercept them, tow them back to the French coast, and puncture their boats to make them unusable. Let them wade ashore. They’ll all soon get the message.

  53. Bert Young
    November 3, 2022

    The Albanian illegal migrant issue is simply a reflection on our soft soap benefit system . Other European countries are not sought after by immigrants for a host of reasons and these countries do nothing to stop the Channel crossings . The resultant cost to the UK and no evidence of incoming skills to our services or industry from these immigrants justifies a tough response ; at the moment whenever a tough reaction is mooted it is knocked down by a tiny group of voices . Start the return flights and shipments at once !.

  54. Simon R
    November 3, 2022

    Dear Sir John,

    Asking ‘why’ feels like the right thing to do, but it actually does little good to dwell too long in the problem. It leads to perpetual opposition, and there is little joy in being a Cassandra. We must look for the solution, and use every means at our disposal to see that positive solutions are implemented.

    With regard to the boat people specifically, it is clear that the pull factor must be eliminated. To my mind, the best solution lies in removing the UK assylum claims process away from the UK itself. Rwanda is a step in the right direction (and even the announcement of the policy did have an effect, even though that effect was to increase the bargaining power of the migrants and therefore reduce the prices that traffickers could charge), but morally it is wrong that a successful claim in Rwanda cannot lead to safe passage to the UK.

    We should develop a network of UK assylum processing centres overseas, and those who come illegally to the UK should be removed to one immediately to have their claim processed; those successful in their claim to come to the UK on the return journey. Watch the numbers of boat people turn to zero overnight.

    As a further point, the burden of proof for assylum should be on the claimant, not those assessing the claim. A time limit of a month should be sufficient to establish ones case, after which deportation is automatic.

    Keep up your great work. We will win!

    SR

  55. A Paul
    November 3, 2022

    I believe you continue to oversimplify the problem, John. There are many women and children seeking asylum, as well as men. Whilst there may be some bogus asylum seekers, there are many who are genuinely in need of serious help and support. I believe you point out that they have all already broken the law by coming over illegally in boats. Crossing the English Channel in boats can be very dangerous. On top of which, asylum seekers are rarely suitably dressed for the weather and wet sea. I think you should attempt your very best to put yourself in their shoes. I believe you will then find that their shoes are very difficult to wear, if not almost unbearable.

    1. Narrow Shoulders
      November 3, 2022

      And here is the problem. In need of help does not an asylum claim make. That is just a potential refugee. Refugees coming from unrecognised methods of entry should be denied.

      But for you and your ilk the welcome mat comes out along with the desire to make their life nice.

      You should police a just stop oil demonstration. You would fit in well with the other appeasers.

    2. Mickey Taking
      November 3, 2022

      Did those shoes do the walking through several countries on the way from Albania?

    3. Shirley M
      November 4, 2022

      A Paul: So why did they leave a safe country to undertake that dangerous crossing? They made that decision, not anybody in the UK so why are we responsible for them. They chose to break UK law and enter the UK illegally when they were perfectly safe in France.

  56. Atlas
    November 3, 2022

    Sir John,
    The answer to your question is self-evidently NO. As an example: Just witness Sunak U-turning on going to COP27. Is he really lacking a spine or is just an example of Parkinson’s law that people get promoted until they end up in a job they cannot handle? Other world leaders with a less charitable point of view towards this country will see weakness and pounce.

  57. glen cullen
    November 3, 2022

    We shouldn’t be under any illusion that the French aren’t directly or indirectly aiding & abetting the illegal economic migrants leaving their beaches 
we should therefore act proportionately and send them back
    There’s no other reason why the French would allow hundreds and thousands of undocumented illegal migrants to camp on the northern shores, clothed and feed by charities and NGOs, supplied with mobile simcards, legal advice and support, where criminal and traffickers roam free
    The French aren’t good neighbour nor good partners, and they should be considered as hostile

  58. A Paul
    November 3, 2022

    Ps I suggest you visit the centre for yourself and meet a cross-section of asylum-seekers/immigrants. I can almost guarantee you would change at least some of your views afterwards.

    1. Mickey Taking
      November 3, 2022

      does this cross section include the recent 10,000 young apparently fit Albanians?

  59. a-tracy
    November 3, 2022

    If you try to come through a UK airport, a UK ferry port, or indeed the Channel Tunnel without a passport, documents, or information on where you are staying and your business in the UK, what is the law that would return you straight back on the next vehicle?

  60. a-tracy
    November 3, 2022

    I’d rather back-bench Tories go and investigate the Home Office operations themselves and help process these people than go into the celebrity jungle or on a jolly holiday in term time. Especially those with the legal training that the Commons seem to select as our representatives. But I do understand that it doesn’t pay the extra ÂŁ150,000.

  61. Kenneth
    November 3, 2022

    These legal objections to removing unwanted people must be funded from somewhere. To take one example, charity “Freedom from Torture” has supported many asylum claims. Among its funders, according to its annual report (here: https://www.freedomfromtorture.org/sites/default/files/2022-08/FFT%20Annual%20Report%20and%20Financial%20Statements%202021%20signed%20accs.pdf) are:

    Ministry Of Justice
    Manchester City Council
    National Lottery Community Fund
    Newcastle City Council
    Scottish Government Equalities and Social
    Cohesion Fund

    So, if we follow the money, much of it is coming from taxpayers.

    Yes, taxpayers being forced into battle against taxpayers

    What a joke!

  62. a-tracy
    November 3, 2022

    You will have to move these migrants to every area in equal %, posh areas too, or nothing will change. All of these human rights lawyers that stop our processing where do they live? Of course, they fight that’s where they earn their big money pay cheques. I read the HO union also fights the British government. So the people whose job it is to turn these applications around quickly fight the rules.

  63. Kayla Tomlinson
    November 3, 2022

    Sir John
    I agree with your analysis of the illegal immigration problems facing the Home Secretary. I simply do not understand why the law has not been tightened up to prevent the nonsense going on. Why is the Civil Service so obstructive?

    1. Mickey Taking
      November 4, 2022

      answer – it maintains their nice salaries and pensions.

  64. Ian B
    November 3, 2022

    Slightly off topic
    From the BBC lunch time 03/11
    The Bank of England has warned the UK is in its longest recession since records began, as it raised interest rates by the most in 33 years.
    Prices are increasing at the fastest pace in 40 years.

    Chancellor Jeremy Hunt said inflation was “weighing heavily on families, pensioners and businesses”.
    “The most important thing the British government can do right now is to restore stability, sort out our public finances, and get debt falling so that interest rate rises are kept as low as possible.”

    No the most important thing is the ‘economy stupid’, no economy and you guarantee a long recession. The above situation has been created by Boris and Rishi, chuck the Taxpayers money at anything, there is always more we can take out of the economy. Grow the State we can always grab more from the taxpayer, the taxpayer will find ways to economise the State doesn’t have to.

    1. Ian B
      November 3, 2022

      @ian B You cannot employ the doctrine dictated by orthodoxy and the World Economic Forum and still serve the UK. It is time for Government to wake up and smell the coffee or resign and have a GE

  65. glen cullen
    November 3, 2022

    Up and down the land there are thousands of car-wash establishments, nail polish shops, ‘L’ plate scooter delivery drivers, domestic cleaners, un-regulated agencies etc employing foreign students, modern slavery & trafficking victims, cheap economic labour and criminals 
isn’t it time to clamp down on these establishments, often owned by gang masters, laundering money and involved in criminal activity.
    This government needs to repeal the loophole laws of modern slavery & trafficking, allowing people to claim asylum – If found my first response would be ‘please take me home’

    1. Diane
      November 4, 2022

      GC: Just reminded me, recently noticed central London, very busy road, street food sellers, ÂŁ8 or so not unusual for a chicken curry / rice portion in a polystyrene tray ( recycling ? )

  66. Stred
    November 3, 2022

    No.
    The elite own the banks and finance houses. Our royal family has its wealth in their hands. The UK is in debt like an overspent credit card holder or a customer with a maxed out overdraft bank account. If we need to borrow, we will do as we are told. They have decided on the agenda and that’s that. WEF agents hold the cards.

  67. Clough
    November 3, 2022

    ‘Can a government Minister do things the elite dislike?’ No, Sir John – even the PM can’t, as we’ve just seen.

    I see no reason to believe that anyone in this government will do anything to defend the country’s borders effectively. Ministers do not take the real decisions as far as I can see. The legal process in England appears to have nearly ground to a halt over the last couple of years, but somehow judges can always be found to stop illegals being deported. I wonder what system they are working for. On that point, it’s worth looking at Brian Gerrish’s ‘Exposed’ site, from years ago but still available, showing that nine Common Purpose graduates infiltrated the CPS between 2002-2005, in places like Leeds and Birmingham. I’m sure there have been many more since then: elites need loyal troops working for them.

    1. Mickey Taking
      November 3, 2022

      UK legal system once admired worldwide – now laughed at being a patsy.

      1. glen cullen
        November 4, 2022

        Seen as a place to transport your criminals too

  68. Ian B
    November 3, 2022

    Bank of England hikes interest rates by 0.75%, just 0.75% makes it sound quite acceptable, but that is actually a 30% increase. That causes the Pound to slump which causes inflation to rise – its now lost -3.5% since Rishi gained office and -17.5% in the last 12 months, -21% since Boris came to Power and Rishi first got to play with UK finances.
    The debt pool has grown, enhanced by the falling value of the Pound since Boris gained office and measures to cause the economy to recede. Taxes at a 70 year high to pay the debts and expansion of the State Machinery. UK taxpayer money is given away without any accountability or expectation of a reinvestable return.
    More of the UK’s economy, energy, security and resilience has been handed to the whims of Foreign Governments
    UK enterprise has been stymied by the Government as its preference is always to awarded money to concerns that do not contribute to the UK Government.

    This is not a Conservative Government, this is not a Government that is serving the people – those that pay their wages.

  69. XY
    November 3, 2022

    Off topic: interest rates hiked by a record amount AGAIN, 0.75% to 3%. The rate of increase will destroy people with mortgages linked to base rate, they don’t even get time to sell up (as was promised – remember the “rate rises will be graudal and level off at a 3% norm”?).

    Who says turkeys don’t vote for Christmas? The Conservative MPs voted for a coronation of Sunak – between him and his appointed BoE governor, Bailey they are ensuring that they will not win the next election.

  70. glen cullen
    November 3, 2022

    Interest rates up to 0.3% today to offset inflation 
doesn’t the BoE and Sunak realise that inflation is being fuelled by ‘Net-Zero’

  71. forthurst
    November 3, 2022

    The Tory government is the problem. To stop the foreign invasion, they need to repeal ALL legislation that can be used by lawyers to block summary deportation of those who have left a safe country. Remove ALL pull factors.

    However, there is a far deeper problem which fails to get sufficient attention, namely, so called legal immigration from the third world. The government can dress it up how it ikes but it is forced multiculturalism on the English.
    JR refers to us as ‘people settled here’ because our country has already been multiculturalised to a significant extent. Compare that with Japan after WWII; the country was destroyed, defeated and occupied but nevertheless, the Japanese successfully opposed elements of the US regime trying to foist multiculturalism on them and have done so ever since. The result is that the Japanese live on overcrowded islands but with a high level of social trust borne of their resolute defence of their monoculture. Where did we go wrong? I suggest we were already infiltrated by alien forces whose control of our country is now almost absolute. That can be reversed but not by any party elected by the First Past the Post electoral system which is already compromised before its first cabinet meeting because it is neither representative of the people nor beholden to those by whom it expects to be elected.

  72. Lester_Cynic
    November 3, 2022

    Bank Rate 3%

    No easy options, so the taxpayers have to suffer for the profligacy of sunak and the rest of the conservative party, it was ever thus

    Meanwhile sunak goes to Cop 27 on the instructions of his masters closely followed by the monarch no doubt?

  73. Maylor
    November 3, 2022

    Sir John writes,

    ” Both Priti Patel and Suella Braverman have sought to implement a popular policy of ending people trafficking and the large flows of young men from safe European countries into the UK. Both have encountered substantial resistance from officials, the legal profession and the courts. We need to ask why.”

    I’m beginning to believe (almost) in the usual WEF conspiracy theories.

    What other explanation makes sense ?

    I hope that Ms Braverman manages to control the situation because if not, I think that there will be serious civil unrest at the unequal treatment between the illegals and the rest of the population who are unable to access medical/dental care or free housing in spite of paying their taxes.

  74. MFD
    November 3, 2022

    I do wish you would find another name for the traitors in Westminster and msm ! Along with others, elite they clearly are NOT!

  75. turboterrier
    November 3, 2022

    It is rather comforting to know other countries make the same mistakes as we do
    On October 26, Germany’s government decided to let the Chinese state-owned enterprise COSCO Shipping Ports, which has links to China’s People’s Liberation Army, buy a stake in the Port of Hamburg. China itself does not allow Germany to participate in Chinese ports. “Against the advice of his ministers, the chancellor apparently wants to increase dependence on China. This sell-out of German infrastructure would be a mistake. No lessons were learned from the Russian gas fiasco and replacing nuclear with wind turbines. Out of 95 ports, 22 are in Europe, 20 in the Middle East and North Africa, 18 are in the Americas, 18 are in South and Southeast Asia, and nine are in sub-Saharan Africa. Just three Chinese companies, among them COSCO Shipping Ports, account for the operations of 81% of those ports. Politicians are just waking up to the severity of all this sell-off.
    When china comes wanting to buy crucial parts of the economy do not think about the money and worry more about the long-term consequences.
    Hopefully, this will not be a lesson too late for the learning.

    1. Mickey Taking
      November 3, 2022

      China laughs at the gently simmering pan containing most of the European and African frogs. It will be easy to turn up the heat one day and finish them off. Jump out now while you can.

    2. Mitchel
      November 4, 2022

      China has,however,just announced the sale of it’s stake in the Duisburg inland rail terminal-for reasons undisclosed.

      Perhaps it is expecting permanent conflict in eastern europe and the ensuing disruption to the rail corridors from China.

  76. Lindsay McDougall
    November 3, 2022

    I recently sent you a 7 page note entitled “Shrinking the State – public expenditure cuts and deregulation”. Below is an extract:

    Reducing the cost of immigration

    We need to stop pussyfooting around. Illegal immigrants landing without passports should be interred on an Outer Hebridean island, preferably uninhabited. They would be provided with tents, ground sheets, sleeping bags, a basic diet and cooking equipment, plus shovels to dig trenches for latrines. They would be denied legal aid. There they would rot until they told our authorities where they came from – and I don’t mean France.

    All other illegal immigrants should be denied legal aid and tagged. None of them should be given permanent resident status. That goes for both refugees and economic migrants. Payments for accommodation to be loans, not grants. Refugees would be expected to return home once they were no longer in danger. Economic migrants would be expected to return home immediately. Denial of legal aid would destroy the living of lefty lawyers (good; it would be nice to see Cherie Blair suffer). It would also return power of decision to the UK Home Office, where it belongs. We should no longer defer to the ECHR.

    Legal immigration to the UK would mainly be determined by UK officials in foreign countries and would be severely limited. The norm would be one year permits, renewable annually. Five year permits could be issued to would be undergraduates, for a three year degree and two years work experience.

    We should not do trade deals with countries that demand the issuing of visas in exchange for low or zero tariffs.

    [I have no objection to the Rwanda idea. It’s just that I don’t believe it will be anything other than temporary.]

  77. Chris S
    November 3, 2022

    Now we have it, Bailey, in conjunction with all the other central bankers has put up interest rates by 0.75% and at the same time he is warning us that as a direct result of his actions, we will be in recession for all of next year!

    They are all so blinkered in their thinking that they are sure this is the only way forward.
    Yet the inflation has only been caused by central bank’s printing too much money and energy price rises across the board, which are already taking billions out of the pockets of everyone, and that, after all, is the sole objective of putting up interest rates !

    The inflation rate will fall anyway if predictions about reducing energy prices are fulfilled. Gas is already one third of the price it was in August and that price is set to fall even further.

  78. Lindsay McDougall
    November 3, 2022

    On a slightly different topic but asking the same question:

    The Telegraph has said that world gas prices have tumbled by a third, which implies that the UK’s Energy Price Guarantee will cost the UK Exchequer ÂŁ5 billion less than previously thought. Will the Chancellor take this into account in his November 17th budget? The elite will say “no” because they love high taxes in the UK.

  79. Stephen
    November 3, 2022

    Could the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 be used to implement short term emergency regulation to deal with the migrant crisis while amendments to the Modern Slavery act go through Parliament? It’s likely that any legislation will meet opposition and delay.

    The definitions of ’emergency’ in the act seem to fit the current situation.

    The political will to use it probably isn’t there though.

  80. No Longer Anonymous
    November 3, 2022

    Sir John.

    Your Government has an 80 seat majority and has put illegals first.

    Short of handing out invitations the Tories couldn’t be doing more to entice illegals here.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20306438/sun-says-britain-enticing-immigrants/

    2024 is going to be a massacre of Conservative MPs. You only have cold austerity and weakness to offer. Your only hope of re-election is to invite millions more illegals here, get them on the voting register and try to get your new mates to vote for you because you’re no good to us.

    1. glen cullen
      November 3, 2022

      
and whats the Tory response – ‘Labour would be even worse’ 
the lesser of two evils isn’t the answer, please bring back Farage

      1. Mickey Taking
        November 3, 2022

        some of us aren’t at all sure no change would be the lesser of two evils.

  81. acorn
    November 3, 2022

    Why would a Conservative Minister want to do things the “elite” disliked? The whole raison d’etre of a Conservative government is to do exactly what the elite likes. With the clear understanding that such Ministers will be rewarded, post Westminster, with various tax efficient sinecures.

    Sadly, those Conservative MPs that don’t get to have their hands in the public purse, have get a lobbying job for some corporate outfit. They often get greedy; get found out; get a little smack and a few days suspension from parliament by the Standards Committee. Alas, not a long enough suspension to force an MP recall procedure. Westminster looks after its own.

    Which raises the question, who exactly are the “elite” and what exactly are they trying to achieve? For them it appears “The World Is Not Enough”.

    Reply An MP cannot take a lobbying job

    1. Mickey Taking
      November 4, 2022

      reply to reply …..not paid you mean?

  82. a-tracy
    November 3, 2022

    « Bank of England predicted to announce biggest interest rise in 33 years »
    These headlines are inflammatory and far more dangerous than a word used like Suella used this week.
    Trading economics – The Interest Rate in the United Kingdom averaged 7.14 percent from 1971 until 2022, reaching an all time high of 17.00 percent in November of 1979.
    In August 1990 the interest rate was 14.79%
    In August 2000 the interest rate was 6%
    In August 2010 the interest rate was 0.5% (it had dropped from August 2008 when it was 5%;the banking crisis?)

    So its actually only been down so low since the banking crash which is ironic as the banks are held responsible for everything, so something artificial happened to help the borrowing public out. What? Perhaps acorn can pop along and tell us, how did it go so low when the banks collapsed?

    1. acorn
      November 4, 2022

      Have a look at https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5394/interest-rates/interest-rates-and-exchange-rate/ first, then compare with interest rates at https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1485/interest-rates/historical-real-interest-rate/

      Dropping the interest rate from 5% to 0.5% crashed the Pound from buying $2 to $1.4, making it very expensive to dump Sterling assets into other currencies. UK Banking and Finance caused a larger than average hit to the UK economy because of its dominance.

      1. a-tracy
        November 5, 2022

        Acorn, thank you for your link to this excellent blog, however, I had to chuckle when ‘helping to simplify economics’ includes the words Ceteris paribus, = other things equal. I appreciate the blog writer is very intelligent but a note to the wise, if you’re going to use terms not commonly known by lay people it doesn’t simplify things to use words without putting the plain English meaning 😊 .

        I will ask my husband to lead me through these explanations later because to be honest I just don’t understand what we’re being told. Misleading headlines in newspapers are alarmist and don’t help anybody. The average interest rate for 50 years was 7.14% so 3% is still a bargain rate isn’t it even on Century long comparisons? The last time the rates were anywhere near as low were after the Second World War. When my children were offered low mortgage rates on five year deals I was stunned, I warned them all interest rates go up you know! When I took out my first mortgage we went up to about 15% after a couple of years and lived on toast with various toppings for a few months. Our recent first time buyers since 2009 so 13 years worth of buyers are going to have problems without support, so our banks need to decide how to help them now. Some may have to extend up to 30 years but you can only do that once and if you’re young enough to pay it off by 66.

        Can you tell me simply where did all the banks get the money from so cheaply to lend out at 1.5-2% in the last 13 years? Is this why all the building societies died and savers got screwed over to pay for it? Why have the taps suddenly been switched back on to fill up the sink, is it to increase the value of the £ and who benefits from that? If interest rates go back up on all the government debt they took on to pay people to do nothing during furlough then we’re all screwed, so what is the push to put up interest rates on long term mortgages? If they go up to 5% are savers now going to get 4%? Or are the banks just going to be allowed to keep all those profits?

  83. Gary
    November 3, 2022

    Sir John – I thought we were taking back control – well it doesn’t look like it to me

    I only see the mess you politicians and other so-called ‘elites’ have made of things – with illegal immigration out of control, the disastrois kwasi/ Truss mini budget to grow our way out of it you said – then the NI Protocol still not sorted, inflation running away and interest rates shooting up in an effort to counter and now with a looming recession expected to last for years. Some control I say- and please don’t rell me about the Ukraine war because without the war it was going to be the same anyway – ‘there are no Ukranians coming across the channel in small boats’. Of course brexit was just the start but you ERG elites were never going to own up to that – it would be a step too far.

  84. Iain Gill
    November 3, 2022

    I see that British women who have been the victim of domestic violence are being ejected from hotels so that asylum seekers/illegal immigrants/dinghy arrivals can be housed in the hotels instead.

    In the depths of crap governance that we are suffering this really does take the biscuit.

    John I realise that you have a tough job given what is going on at the moment, but please have a word with the government whips and tell them this is unacceptable.

    I realise this is stating the obvious, and this shouldn’t need to be said.

    Reply I tell the PM and Home Secretary direct they need to take urgent action to stop the flow of illegal migrants.

    1. Iain Gill
      November 4, 2022

      but kicking victims of domestic violence out of hotels…

    2. Mickey Taking
      November 4, 2022

      we need to erect a tent city somewhere like an ex-military base we can control. After all they claim they are refugees from a country with the threat of violence and live in tents. We can stop the threat of violence although the incident recently shows the extreme feelings out there.

  85. mancunius
    November 4, 2022

    I read in yesterday’s Telegraph that “Robert Jenrick, the immigration minister, is understood to want to double or triple the number of applications processed by staff from the current 1.5 a week.”
    I don’t know any job which has such an undemanding target rate. Or such an undemanding manager in charge.

    1. a-tracy
      November 4, 2022

      nor me Mancunians. The tail wags the dog in these public services. Next, we’ll be told they don’t get paid enough money to do the 1.5 per week. How does each civil servant’s productivity in this department compare with those in Germany (who Bill tells us are very efficient) or Australia or Denmark?

  86. XY
    November 4, 2022

    This piece says everything that many of the people of the UK are saying.

    What it does not say is how to fix it. Nor dioes it clearly define “the elite” (or “the establishment” – are they synonymous?).

    But then again… not everyone is an MP of the ruling party. So the question for our host is… what are you going to do about it? What can be done?

    When someone in your position can do no more than state the problem in a personal blog, perhaps we really are in as much trouble as we feared.

    Was it Oscar Wilde who said “I could never be a socialist, I couldn’t give up that many afternoons”. Eloquently pointing out that socialists live, eat and breath politics whereas conservatives vote, then get on with life and leave politics to those who enjoy such pursuits. Mistakenly it seems – we have allowed the socialists to infiltrate every institution. We need a party with a plan to end this madness rather than one whose MPs simply wonder how much of their manifesto they’ll be allowed to get away with.

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