Yesterday the Prime Minister committed himself and the government to ending illegal migration across the Channel, announcing a series of administrative measures and proposing a stronger law in January.
Knowing the importance of this issue to many readers I reproduce below a summary of the government’s proposals in their words for your information and comments.
- Over 40,000 people have illegally crossed the Channel in small boats this year, putting pressure on local public services. Many originate from safe countries and travel through safe countries. That is unfair on those who come here legally, unfair on those who have a genuine asylum claim ā and unfair on the British people who play by the rules.Ā
- The Prime Minister has prioritised this issue since he took office: he has delivered the largest ever small boats deal with France which increases UK-funded patrols by 40 per cent, re-established the Calais Group of Northern European nations to disrupt traffickers, and set a long-term ambition for a UK-EU wide agreement on migration.
- But we need to go much further. Today, the Prime Minister and Home Secretary are setting out five new steps:
- A new agreement with Albania so that the vast majority of Albanian claimants can be removed ā with weekly flights until all Albanians in our backlog are sent home.
- A new, permanent, unified Small Boats Operational Command in the channel with 700 new staff
- Tougher immigration enforcement with 200 new staff and better data sharing with banks
- Cheaper accommodation sites so we can move migrants out of expensive hotels
- Clear the initial asylum backlog by 2023 by doubling the number of caseworkers and radically streamlining the process
- However, we will go further still to solve this problem once and for all: early next year we will introduce new legislation to make it clear that if you enter the UK illegally you should not be able to remain ā but should be swiftly detained and removed.
- By taking these steps, we will be tough but fair, tackle illegal migration ā and stop the boats.
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December 14, 2022
Good morning.
With respect Sir John, spare us the BS !
We have ALL the laws we need. What we need to do is get rid of some of the laws that have been created, especially the one by the outgoing PM, Theresa May MP. ie Modern Slavery Act 2015. You also need to stop ferrying them across. We already have the, Immigration Act 1971 which means that if they enter the UK, ie land on our shores, we can arrest them as criminals. Currently, we are ferrying them in and so are inviting them in.
You’ve kicked this can down the road for a number of years now and have finally realised that we are no longer being fooled.
Finally. As I and others keep telling you. If you cannot send them back, send them somewhere where they cannot abscond and cannot profit from their illegal entry.
It’s either YOU or THEM !!
December 14, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
Cameron said the same as did Johnson! Remember Johnson was going to send them straight back! ECHR needs to be scrapped per Teresa May, Braverman etc. Sunak needs to start serving with integrity as he claimed instead of lying!
Your govt choose to sack hard working hotel staff creating financial uncertainty for them at Christmas to put up illegal criminals in 4 star hotels at our expense!! Cost of living for only English citizens.
Just get out.
December 15, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
The public are indeed not fooled, Not on immigration, climate alarmism, net zero, nor the need for vastly high tax rates combined with generally appalling levels of public services. They know that high energy prices are caused primarily by the net zero religion not Putin, that inflation was caused by Sunakās currency debasement money printing amd endless lockdown & waste agenda.
Sales of electric cars are declining significantly too I see. The only reason to buy one was the government tax breaks and market rigging or virtue signalling. They cost far more per mile overall, produce more CO2 (than keeping your old car), the batteries decay rapidly, range is very limited and slow to recharge. They are totally impractical for most people. More and more now realise this.
December 14, 2022
Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine authorised for use in infants and children aged 6 months to 4 years
The Comirnaty COVID vaccine has met the MHRAās required safety, quality and effectiveness standards to be authorised for use in this age group.
Are they mad? This age group are not even at any risk from Covid but certainly will be from the vaccine. Meanwhile in Australia main Actuarial group calls for an investigation of the incredibly high excess deaths (circa 15%) to be properly investigated simalar excess deaths in Germany, UK and all over. The main cause seems to be heart issues or unexplained sudden deaths. Then we have the revelations from Hancockās book of the appalling propaganda outfits set up in number 10, like the appalling one lead by Neil OāBrian attacking the the sensible Barrington Declaration Group and Hart Group scientists. See the excellent weekly sceptic podcast or daily sceptic web sites.
December 14, 2022
a referendum on leaving the european convention on human rights would be won with a landslide. the problem is all the people the main parties select as parliamentary candidates are likely to be the usual lefty clowns who would try to stop any such decision repeatedly.
rishi doesnt make sense when he says he wants to stop illegal immigrants while simultaneously saying he wants to remain with human rights convention etc.
December 14, 2022
āa referendum on leaving the european convention on human rights would be won with a landslideā Indeed as would as would on on going for cheap, realisable, on demand energy and ditching net zero and cutting the hugely excessive taxes, also ditching Khanās ULEZ & congestion rip off charges and to stop blocking the roads, reducing low skilled immigration levels and ditching HS2. The public get things right far, far more often than deluded āgroup thinkā, tax and regulate to death politicians with their vested interests, lobbying, acting as paid āconsultantsā and often pure & outright corruption.
December 14, 2022
LL,
Voted down in parliament today. Only just over 60 Tory MPs voted for the bill. Therefore we can conclude the socialist Tory party are not serious about illegal immigration. If they were Sunak would have made sure all voted for it.
December 14, 2022
As I wrote in a comment that has not been published, being a party to the European CONVENTION on Human Rights does NOT oblige us to abide by rulings of the European COURT of Human Rights. Many countries ā including the UK in the past (such as on the issue of prisonersā voting rights) – simply ignore rulings of the Court. Why doesnāt this government do so???
Also, the government can ALREADY refuse asylum to anyone who passed through a safe country and deport them the same day, under the new sections 80B and 80C of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002. I wish Sir John would ask the Home Secretary why she is not doing this. I really want to know what her excuse is for ignoring the law!!
December 14, 2022
Correct
December 15, 2022
XT and GC,
The sell out agreement with the EU makes it clear UK must comply with ECHR or EU can withdraw from the sell out agreement in 12 days. That would mean UK properly leaving EU and the remainers will not do it.
December 14, 2022
Sunak has been in govt for how long? Why was it not a priority for him when No.2 as chancellor? Patel was making the noises so he knew what was going on. So was there another Osborne sentiment in cabinet of no one was serious in private?
Is he aware of the N.Ireland protocol and what Heaton-Harris is doing to force and coerce DUP to submit to EU rule?
December 14, 2022
+1
They should be sent to South Georgia, with an option of returning whence they came before they are deported there.
December 14, 2022
Achieving effect requires effective ACTION. Yesterdayās announcement was merely yet another attempt to quell the nationās need for immediacy, and then to do virtually nothing. The problem has been growing for decades and is compounded by its worsening daily.
A nation without controlled borders rapidly dissolves into the wilderness of nowhere.
Voters lend MPs the power to represent their interests, yet too many of those MPs have other interests elsewhere. Perhaps recycling errant MPs outward in dinghies might reduce the problem.
December 14, 2022
Now that would be a rough sea crossing!
December 14, 2022
Mark,
It should be simpler than that. If migrants are picked up from inflatables in French waters simiply sail back to Calais and drop them off there. I understand maritime law allows for recovered people to be returned to the nearest land mass.
Of couse it won’t happen… Can’t irritate the French…
December 14, 2022
What you are proposing is an illegal invasion of sovereign French territory.
December 14, 2022
So it is not an illegal invasion of sovereign UK territory as it stands?
You are as bad as the civil service. Gold plating legislation which inconveniences the UK while turning a blind eye to transgressions of other countries.
December 14, 2022
Of course it is not an illegal invasion of sovereign UK territory. It is some of the most desperate and vulnerable people on the planet seeking shelter. The UK used to be a country of compassion. You Brexiters don’t know the meaning of that word
December 15, 2022
Any limit to your generosity Gazza?
1 million a year?
10 million a year?
The waiting world wants to know.
December 16, 2022
@Gary – if they can afford the fare they are not in need and certainly not desperate.
They have reached safety so no need for an onward journey.
As I said above you are as bad as the civil servants who pay no heed to the population in their hairbrained policies and following of diktats from aboard. There are none so blind as they that will not see.
December 14, 2022
so!
December 14, 2022
Check maritime law. In brief ship captains have a duty to recover other at risk on the seas. They can then go to their next destination or nearest destination to offload the people. Contention comes in whether a UK ship should pick up people in French territorial waters.
December 14, 2022
Of course we mustn’t irritate Macron. He might pull the plug on the Channel Islands electricity …… or ours when the wind doesn’t blow.
Just as well we have those oh-so-reliable interconnectors! It’s not like they can be used to blackmail us, is it.
December 14, 2022
Well the Channels Islands already have local, diesel powered, back up generators and could always import cheaper to run coal or gas fired turbines fairly quickly if needed.
December 14, 2022
Donna. Yes it’s nice to think how friendly our neighbours are.
December 14, 2022
At the moment it’s actually working the other way! Due to safety work at so many French nuclear reactors it is US that is sending electricity to THEM! That’s fine, and it earns us money, but we should be WEAPONISING this and demanding political concessions in return for supplying them with energy. But of course, Traitor Sunak is far too weak and pro-EU to ever do such a thing. The man is contemptible.
December 15, 2022
Sunak is making UK more inter dependent on energy to prevent UK creeping away/diverging from EU. It is to keep UK tied to EU!
December 14, 2022
maritime law says ‘any safe harbour’ …France is a ‘safe harbour’ – it doesn’t say you have to take them to your home port or a port of their choicing
December 14, 2022
Agreed Glen.
December 14, 2022
Glen
That is also my understanding.
December 14, 2022
Nonsense. There are no Ukrainians coming by boat, none at all. Why not? Because we have created a safe route for them to apply. If we did the same for every country, we could have an orderly system and a fair process and no boats. It is the government’s refusal to create any safe route for migrants to apply to come here that has created the problem
December 14, 2022
Rubbish. The Albanians have a safe route …. they can pay Ā£25 for an air ticket and fly in. They don’t because they are criminals who don’t want to be identified.
We don’t owe the world and his extended family a life in the UK.
December 16, 2022
A safe route for every country? Are you mad? We are a tiny overpopulated island with all the attendant ills that come with that.
December 14, 2022
@Mark B +1
A frozen Government and Parliment that have lost the reason we pay them
December 14, 2022
Over a million people came here to settle legally last year. A few hundred thousand either emigrated or returned too.
Those who would have come from Europe have been replaced by those from elsewhere – as the Remain side patiently explained would happen.
Why are you so concerned about the generally more desperate 40,000? They’re probably little different in outlook or appearance from a large proportion of the former, and many will be found to have arrived legally too in any case.
December 14, 2022
yep – the mainly 40,000 young men will pay criminals to get them to England, the land of free everything!
December 14, 2022
I second that sentiment Mark. The news this morning of a migrant boat capsizing is followed by the statement that a rescue operation is underway – Why! Its not our problem
December 14, 2022
Give the invaders a choice.
The South Alantic or back home.
Sending them to the Falklands on one of the remotest of the islands where they might have to fight for all they covet should the Argies kick off again.
They should be industrious enough to make a go of it considering what they say they have gone through to get here.
December 14, 2022
The Falkland Islands are UK territory with a right to self determination, which the UK has defended with great care. If others around the world seek access to the UK, that does not have to be access to live in Central London at taxpayersā expense. Free ship travel to the Falklands would be generous and safe. Awarding the Falklands with a Ā£1m bonus per passenger might also cost less than we presently pay, although one wonders why neither the Falkland Islanders nor the refuge-seekers would want it.
December 14, 2022
Please tell your bright idea to the Chancellor: heāll just have to find Ā£40 bn to send the 40,000 recent migrants to Port Stanley. I am sure that in return heāll arrange a gong for you as a reward for just a deep thought.
December 15, 2022
Govt expected 300 Rwanda places could halt the dinghy traffic. Paying our fellow citizens keeps our money and control in the UK. Anyone sensible can devise an efficient solution within a week. Their obstacle is the daft Govt being unwilling to enact anything effective.
December 15, 2022
Good value.
December 14, 2022
What have the islanders done to deserve that?!
December 14, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
We don’t believe or trust your Government Sir John. It’s simply the fact that we all know what you do, not what you say. 12.5 years and everything doesn’t work or costs a fortune. Cost of living crisis = money printing/ bond purchases/ inflation. Mass legal and illegal immigration= housing crisis, NHS 7.2 million awaiting treatments, no school places, building everywhere, roads congestion. PC/Wokery = Incompetent leadership in all our health, public services, Councils, emergency services with priority given to any minority interest or group, English people to the back of the queue. Time for Tory’s to go, we want Reform.
December 14, 2022
Its all talk. Comments on here suggest nobody has any expectation that action will follow.
I suspect Sunakās credibility in the country at large is very low.
December 14, 2022
tell me a Minister that has credibility and public support, please?
December 14, 2022
”Bring Back Liz”
December 14, 2022
Yes Peter, it’s ALL LIES. If Sunak actually meant it then the government would be backing Jonathan Gullisās 10-minute rule Bill today to remove asylum seekers even if it is against the European Convention on Human Rights, or other international law. But they’re not. Because they are LIARS.
Also, we all know talk of āclearing the backlogā is just code for quickly GRANTING ASYLUM to people who have not PROVED their claims. Indeed, Sunak himself admitted that proof is NOT required when people claim asylum or trafficking. WHY NOT??? This is an absolute disgrace. Of course these people should have to PROVE their claims, with DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE. And if they canāt, they MUST be refused.
December 14, 2022
Youāre spot on Mark-B but no one in government and Iād suggest the party, is neither listening nor interested
December 14, 2022
Sir John,
1. Will you be in the House at 12.30 to support Jonathan Gullis’s 10-minute rule Bill to remove asylum seekers even if that is against the European Convention on Human Rights, or other international law? Please answer this question. After all being a party to the European CONVENTION on Human Rights does NOT oblige us to abide by rulings of the European COURT of Human Rights. Many countries – including the UK in the past (such as on the issue of prisoners’ voting rights) ignore rulings of the Court – why doesn’t this government do so???
2. The government can ALREADY refuse asylum to anyone who passed through a safe country and deport them the same day, under the new sections 80B and 80C of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002. Why do you not ask the Home Secretary why she is not doing this? I really want to know what her excuse is for ignoring the law!!
3. Talk of ‘clearing the backlog’ is just code for quickly GRANTING ASYLUM to people who have not PROVED their claims. Indeed, Sunak himself admitted that proof is NOT required when people claim asylum or trafficking. WHY NOT??? This is an absolute disgrace. Of course these people should have to PROVE their claims, with DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE. And if they can’t, they MUST be refused.
4. In any case, why are asulum applications considered on the basis of the applicant’s country of origin, rather than the country he ACTUALLY came from – ie. France (in most cases). NOT ONE asylum applicant is fleeing war, or poverty, or persecution. NOT ONE. They are ALL fleeing FRANCE!
5. But the most important factor of all, which NO minister EVER discusses, is that THE UK IS FULL. We already have FAR TOO MANY people and are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. The UK’s maximum comfortable population is 50 million. That is why the government should declare that the UK will no longer accept ANY asylum seekers whatsoever.
Reply I voted for tge Bill
December 14, 2022
Yes, as I see from the Guido Fawkes website, Sir John was one of the good guys who voted for the Bill. Unfortunately it lost because it did NOT get government support. People here will want to note that David Davis voted AGAINST the Bill. He is NOT in favour of restricting immigration.
December 14, 2022
69 ayes 188 noes
Thatās a national disgrace, it shouldāve been a 3 line whip ā¦that result doesnāt reflect the current views of the people
December 14, 2022
Every MP that voted for this bill, shouldn’t get asylum seekers in the area they represent, and those MP areas who voted against it should get a double share.
December 14, 2022
https://order-order.com/2022/12/14/gulliss-deportation-bill-voted-down-by-lefty-mps/
December 14, 2022
So yet more worthless hot air from Rishi but still no real or serious action. Sunak even praised the modern slavery act and he even wants to remain in the ECHR still. If and when I see some real action and actual results I will perhaps start to believe him.
Sunak even suggested that more immigration is being caused by climate change causing more places to become uninhabitable. We have had no statistically significant or remotely abnormal climate change and a little warmer and a little more CO2 is almost certainly a net benefit to overall habitability.
I listened to the Moggcast on the Boris era yesterday, I too never understood why Boris stood down when the Socialist (VAT on private school fees) dope Michael Gove knifed him. He surely still would have won easily with the members and we would not have had to suffer the dreadful Theresa May, the years of pathetically trying to kill Brexit, the modern slavery lunacy, net zero and the appalling NI protocol deal.
Plus I would not have lost on my bet.
December 14, 2022
No stopping the āsmall boatsā but stopping and deterring the thousands of illegal immigrants many clearly with hostile & criminal intentions.
December 14, 2022
ā Sunak even suggested that more immigration is being caused by climate change causing more places to become uninhabitable. ā
The minute I heard thatā¦ I mentally stopped listening, and any belief in the words! Itās nonsense!
December 14, 2022
@Sharon It is because he likes/prefers to release our taxpayer money to the unaccounable, rather than the indiginous people of the Country
December 14, 2022
Killing UK industry and jobs like steel, chemicals, pottery, glass etc. all now being made by coal fired power stations in Huntās China!
December 14, 2022
+1 which is not even a safe policy in defence terms let alone economic terms.
December 14, 2022
Yes, Sharon, Rishi’s right. It’s ‘global heating’! I gather Albania is now a scorching desert landscape, and France, where the invaders start their journey from, is just sand dunes and a few oases all the way down to Marseilles.
December 14, 2022
+1 indeed the Sahara desert now start at Calais Sunak seems to think. But then he seems to think inflation and high energy prices we caused by Putin’s evil war and not Sunak’s money printing, net zero lunacy, Sunak’s vast government waste and the pointless lockdowns.
December 14, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
yep..the desperation has become abject nonsense.
December 14, 2022
@Lifelogic +1
To sound like a worn out record. The ECHR is a Foreign Court dictating how to behave on a wannabe Democracy. Why elect and pay for MPās to represent us in Parliament if they then āout- sourceā the right to create, amend and repeal the laws that relate to activities inside the UK to an entity that we cannot vote for. That is not democracy that is a subordinate colony of a puffed up higher power
December 14, 2022
Well put. The current shambles shows that our elected Government and Opposition are not fit for purpose because the political class has become used to out sourcing all decisions to the EU over the last 50 years whilst continuing to ride the gravy train as a reward. Where is the strategic vision of our UK Parliament?
December 14, 2022
Indeed as is Blair’s rather dire Supreme Court and it seems the WHO is or will will be too soon.
December 14, 2022
+1
December 16, 2022
LL, Boris must have stood down for the same reason he stood down this time, because he hadn’t got enough MP support. No doubt about the members, but they come second, after the final choice of two has been made by the MPs.
December 14, 2022
BORIS JOHNSON will challenge Rishi Sunak to go further on his asylum overhaul by pledging to ignore European rulings over the Rwanda policy. He has backed a Parliamentary Bill that would exert Britainās sovereignty over migration policy by rejecting European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) attempts to stop asylum seekers being sent to Africa for processing.
Without this and trimming the UK courts it is surely all just even more worthless hot air and dithering?
December 14, 2022
Given half a chance Boris would announce an amnesty for all the illegal immigrants. He is a big part of this mass immigration problem.
December 14, 2022
I understand that Sunaks plan to reduce the refugee / asylum seekers numbers in the process centres is to grant everyone immediate settled citizen status upon arrival ā problem solved
December 14, 2022
‘Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shame on both of us.’
We’ve been fooled time and time again by every home secretary, PM and government – we no longer believe you !
December 14, 2022
Yesterday’s other news,
“A new MRP poll from Savanta, based on a 20-point lead over the Tories, shows Labour on course for a mind-blowing 314-seat majority. MRP polls have proved historically accurate in 2017 and 2019. The poll shows the Tories holding no seats more northerly than South Holland and The Deepings in Lincolnshire, with Rishi losing his seat and 27,000 majority. Ironically Liz Truss keeps her seatā¦”
and
“The poll shows an absolute wipe-out for the Tories. They would be left with just 69 seats”
Source: Guido Fawkes
Reply There is unlikely to be an election before end 2024
December 14, 2022
Thank goodness we have two years left, as Labour/SNP/LibDims are an even more appalling prospect. But will it be any different in two years time? Huntās recent, vast and idiotic tax increases will hugely damage the economy, raise less tax, kill investment & growth as even more people will go onto benefit or leave. This as so often simply not worth working. Still no serious action on low skilled and illegal immigration levels, still hooked on the expensive, unreliable energy agenda/religion, that renders the uk uncompetitive and freezes people to death, still people waiting 12 hours for ambulances with broken hips and waiting years for routine & needed operations, or mother being sent from hospital with their baby to find some emergency antibiotics from an emergency pharmacy as the hospital did not have any ā¦
December 14, 2022
I’m sorry to tell you it’ll be worse in two years time. We now have taxes at levels higher than during the Cameron austerity period, state debt costing 2 or 3 times the amount paid during austerity, higher household debt service costs, and who knows what cost of energy. Do you think Mr Hunt or Mr Sunak have any experience of this, or clue how to solve it.
Sir J, you could help, dust off your diaries from the early Thatcher years and tell them what works and what doesn’t, you at least have lived it.
As if the Dunderheads of Downing Street would listen….
December 14, 2022
Thank goodness we have two years leftā¦. Are you sane LL? Have you read and watched what has been going on for 12.5years?
Economy trashed, debt tripled, debt interest, deficit, taxation highest ever, taxed three or four times for the same thing, overseas aid increased under Tories to a percentage of GDP- borrowing to give away and pay over hundred billion in debt interest!, dire public services, highest welfare bill, immigration highest ever, illegal immigration highest ever put up in four star hotels, Tories tried to stop Brexit by Mayās treacherous actions, gave away N.Ireland to EU now trying to force DUP to submit to EU, border down Irish Sea, checks on goods from GB to N.I, ,they are back at it as we blog, 277 Tory MPs voted for UK to be in vassalage to EU, most of whom now on the pay role or govt. Ministers!! Pointless Ukraine war instead of seeking peace!! Corrupt Ukraine given billions of our taxes, hundreds of millions to corrupt China led WHO- Trump stopped paying them, Trump left Paris Agreement sham it is a transfer of industry jobs and wealth to the East?
I think you need to look again at the figures LL. for a man who claims to be of science and figures your comment is most bizarre. How many times do you need to be lied to? Sunak was at it yesterday, Cameron and Johnson shown on TV to be saying the same thing years ago!
December 14, 2022
As Blur said ‘it can only get better’ – but then again,….maybe it won’t.
December 14, 2022
I tend to agree. More will move to benefit and or black economy as work does not pay, other will leave as the UK and invest their time and money elsewhere.
Look at Sunakās wet & weasel wording from above.
āHowever, we will go further still to solve this problem once and for all: early next year we will introduce new legislation to āmake it clearā that āif you enter the UK illegallyā you āshouldā not be able to remain ā but āshouldā be swiftly detained and removed.ā
You need a new law to āmake it clearā what does āshouldā mean nothing very clear about āshouldā. Many Lawyers do not even accept they are even āentering illegallyā.
December 14, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
The middle aged ladies in the Labour Party are unelectable. They have no presence. They represent the strikers (who pay them). They are in thrall to the massive bureaucracy which runs the country so very badly. (See Sir John’s earlier posts). Even the SNP performs better in parliament. And, of course, their left wing is “innomable”.
December 14, 2022
We have the election of Liz truss as leader to thank for this. The position will probably improve by the election but we have certainly dug ourselves into a very deep hole.
December 14, 2022
Reply to reply
The way they are performing please don’t hold your breath. The unhappy tory sharks are circling and bidding their time. Too many sadly are operating well outside their maximum performance capabilities and it shows.
December 14, 2022
Reply to reply but Sunak is doing nothing to turn the situation around. If anything he is digging in deeper to destroy your party. Why do you keep electing leaders that voters dislike? It would have been so easy for you to have stayed in power for decades if only you had delivered on your promises. Labour offers nothing other than they aren’t the hated Tories. Your party either has a death wish or has been infiltrated by those wanting to destroy our country and be controlled by the Globalists. My money is on the second option. I’ve been saying for years that your MP selection process has been compromised. If this is the case there is no saving it and you might as well move to Reform.
December 14, 2022
We don’t want or need your incompetent Government Sir John. The only thing you do in a timely fashion is ….. raise taxes.
December 14, 2022
āReply There is unlikely to be an election before end 2024ā..
Unless a general strike or violent rioting makes the country ungovernable.
December 14, 2022
I don’t agree with Sir John. The fact that Rishi Rich has tied himself to 2023 to solve the problem which everyone and his dog knows is impossible, says to me he is expecting inflation to fall by Spring, then a few tax bribes and an election Autumn 2023, after saying what a wonderful PM he has been, with no doubt some manipulating of data. Won’t work. The people have had enough cardboard promises from the Tories over the last 12 years and just want rid.
December 14, 2022
A Tory wipe=out is what is needed for a new, REALLY conservative, party to arise. Cameron’s liberal A-Listers destroyed the Tory party from within. That is why so many Tory MPs refuse to back sensible proposals – from leaving the EU, to leaving the ECHR, to scrapping net-zero, to scrapping the Equalities Act, etc.
The fact is that Starmer’s Labour is now EXACTLY THE SAME as Sunak’s Conservatives. Both are high-tax, high-regulation, pro-EU, pro-NI Protocol, pro-immigration, pro-welfare, pro-net-zero, anti-UK parties. I no longer care if Labour get in as they won’t be any worse than the current lot, and I’d rather be stabbed in the front than in the back.
I’ll be voting ReformUK at the next election, and then let’s see what happens. Vote for what you believe in, and don’t be manipulated into voting for traitors.
December 16, 2022
X-Tory, in 1997 people thought the same, but it turned out a hundred times worse than expected and none of it has been undone. Starmer could be like Blair, posing as a “centrist” but a lot more revolutionary underneath.
December 14, 2022
Reply to Reply, yes indeed, the end of 2024 is some way off for an GE. Good!
Jonathan Gullis’s Ten Minute Rule Bill is a positive start just hope it doesn’t get voted down.
December 14, 2022
Radar
It would seem that our clued up politicians (I Jest) have just voted it down !
What bloody hope have we got of getting out of all this mess, when we have so many clueless politicians in Parliament.
December 14, 2022
Sir John, the voters won’t forget, nor forgive, the 12 years (will it get to 14?) of downhill mismanagement. We struggle to find a subject where the public have confidence in the Party and MP/Cabinet.
There will of course be the timid grey-rinse set and wealthy who won’t budge but the vast majority just witness what feels like a daily shambles. As the Surfaris sang ‘Wipe Out’ 1963…. to be revised in 2024.
December 14, 2022
finger trouble – s/be PM/Cabinet of course.
December 14, 2022
Reply āThere is unlikely to be an election before end 2024ā.
Nothing will change between now and the next GE as we will have the same uni-party Parliament. We will still have Net Zero destroying the economy and massive illegal and legal immigration destroying our social cohesion, culture and stability. The following Government in 2024 will be even worse and I can only hope that there will be a new party emerging to act as opposition to the existing uni-party by the GE of 2029.
December 14, 2022
Reply to reply.
And people have long memories.
December 14, 2022
More wafdle from fishy to tide us over until he can hand over the problem at the next election.
Removing all benefits as they do elsewhere would be a start.
How do they live in France, they certainly don’t get accommodation and board. We’re a laughing stock around the world and when they have sufficient numbers they’ll start to cancel our culture.
December 14, 2022
+1 Ian. Our culture is already being cancelled, from within!
December 14, 2022
Ian Wragg
What culture? It has slowly but surely been eroded for years by the way education is now delivered, all these woke touchy feeling laws that have been passed.
December 14, 2022
+ 1 they’re criminals not refugees
December 14, 2022
Trust has gone. We’ve had promises before and the actions were the exact opposite. I’ll wait and see if anything actually happens or whether the government funded charities manage to oppose the government (yet again). It’s already YEARS too late!
I expect the grateful young male ‘refugees’ will cause riots if they are moved out of their luxury hotels and the refurbishment bills are going to be horrendous. I also suspect many will disappear into the ether! Such lovely people to welcome into our country (sarc).
December 14, 2022
Yesterday Farage reported on a hotel of Afghani “orphans” we’re putting up in a luxury hotel. All male; all fighting age; all of them were young adults – anything between 18 and 25, not children.
This Government is ABUSING British taxpayers.
December 14, 2022
Shirley,
Ministers forced a vote through this week to block the public seeing who gives them freebies/lobbying interest groups. No point to wait and see Socialist Tory govt ministers, they are trousering the benefits for helping the world at our taxpayers expense! The public not allowed to see who lines their pockets for policy and legislation!
Look at what is happening in the EU leadership at the moment millions in cash seized from MEPs homes!!
We saw from the last scandal that over 302 MPs were over paid or fiddled their expenses. Institutional corruption on a massive scale. A policy decision was made only to prosecute a few. False accounting is easy to prove, the whole lot should have been up before the courts. However that would have brought down parliament by the sheer number.
December 14, 2022
āāThis Government is ABUSING British taxpayersāā
No theyāre traitors to british people, our culture and tradition
December 14, 2022
We simply must forcibly put them in plane to Albania – park on the airfield – breaking any International laws you like.
IT JUST HAS TO STOP.
December 14, 2022
Hell Yeah
December 14, 2022
But donāt tell the woke media, lawyers or staff which airfield
December 14, 2022
and once landing the pilot announces ‘we have no more food or water onboard, but if the airport vehicles don’t come for you, we have rope ladders we can throw out from a door’.
December 14, 2022
This is the other side of the argument – from the Guardian “Alison Thewliss, the SNP MP for Glasgow Central, is speaking against the bill. She says it was āoffensiveā of Gullis to bring it forward on a day like today, when people have died. She says her constituency has the highest immigration caseload in Scotland. And almost 25% of people living there were born abroad. In Gullisās constituency the figure is just 7%.”
The SNP thinks the UK should be more welcoming to asylum seekers on principle.
ābecause the people making these journeys are desperateā.
December 14, 2022
WHO chief āstifledā Covid origins debate. In the Telegraph today. Despite privately knowing this was highly likely to be the real source of Covid. Yet Sunakās government seems more interested in āclimate reparationsā than Covid lab or Vaccine Damage compensations for the net harm vaccines.
It seem firing care worker for not being vaccinated (Javidās appalling policy) has also been deemed perfectly legal. This even if they had already had Covid, were young and the vaccines clearly were most likely to do no good & net harm to them?
December 14, 2022
+1 LL.
December 14, 2022
Trump stopped paying Chinese influenced WHO. Quite right and proper too.
December 14, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
How do they pay reparations for 6m dead, countless lives still damaged, and world economies wrecked?
December 14, 2022
I’ve never heard such far fetched fairy tales. We all know the lefty lawyers are waiting in the wings to make shed loads of money courtesy of the taxpayer. If it’s not extra civil servants to deal with the backlog to pay for, it’s hotel bills, the refurbishment of army barracks or holiday parks and the money for permanent accommodation after they are all fast tracked through and allowed to stay to make the numbers look good. As Farage states (not that our idiots in government listen) you will never solve the problem without leaving the ECHR. Until then John, we don’t believe you.
December 14, 2022
We have the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 to return illegal immigration but repealing the ECHRs and the Modern Slavery Acts would send the right signal and stop those lawyers aiding & abetting to make money ā¦and this government could do it today
December 14, 2022
Sir John has Tweeted today: “If people arrive here and say they have been trafficked it means they have been forced here against their will or brought here under false pretences. We should help them back. They should describe who did it to them to help police stop these gangs.”
This is absolutely right and exactly what I have been saying for some time! But instead of just putting this in a Tweet that will be completely ignored why, Sir John, are you not making this case to the PM at Questions today, to force him to respond?
Reply I put it to Home Sec and Immigration Minister in person yesterday
December 14, 2022
Reply to reply: Great! And what did they say???? If this was in the chamber just name the debate and I can search Hansard if that is easier for you.
December 14, 2022
If Iād been trafficked and recued, Iād want to return to my home asap
December 14, 2022
We donāt just ask them if the wish to volunteer to return home at the taxpayer expenses we also offer them Ā£2,000 ā¦no wonder theyāre all claiming being trafficked
Section 15.191 āā In addition, all victims with a positive Conclusive Grounds decision, who do not have leave to remain, can apply for financial help of up to Ā£2,000 which can be used to find somewhere to live, find a job or start a business in their country of origin āā https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1124031/Modern_Slavery_Statutory_Guidance__EW__Non-Statutory_Guidance__SNI__v2.12.docx_FINAL_amended_.pdf
December 14, 2022
Why would a gang force an Albanian to get into a dinghy (free) ? Unless the French are paying the gangs?
Could be, I suppose?
December 14, 2022
And of course they are ruining the holiday resorts for short term (maybe not so short term) profits for the hotels. Who will want to go to any resort where there are hundreds of foreign young men wandering about with nothing to do. I certainly wouldn’t want any of my women folk to go anywhere near.
December 14, 2022
When the RNLI rescue a small boat from the middle of the channel they should take them back to a French beach, it’s that simple.
Far little far too late. The conservatives will be a tiny party after the next election. And deserve it.
December 14, 2022
They do deserve it, but Labour/SNP certainly do not deserve to win as they have the same agenda but even worse.
December 14, 2022
LL. Agree with that. Why would anyone be stupid enough to vote for more of the same. At least the Reform party would bring in some Conservative policies. Something we haven’t seen for a long time. Give me a straight forward, realistic and sensible guy like Farage or Tice any day.
December 14, 2022
Conclusion REFORM? – -or some half-arsed pact between Parties?
December 14, 2022
Maybe, but a change is as good as a rest, and there is no sign of the Tories doing anything sensible now or in the future. They are signed up to net zero, wokeism, diversity and all the rest of the rubbish coming out of the universities.
December 14, 2022
+1 and border force
December 14, 2022
Keep it up and there will be more boats arriving than Operation Dynamo from Dunkirk in WW2, simply solution is to disable the boats before they get anywhere near to the sea someone must be supplying them how bloody hard can it be to trace them itās not as though there smuggled in the boot of a citroen 2cv, and stop the ferry service and the 4star treatment for these illegals we have laws to return them now so use them and also stop the illegals from using our legal aid system itās not rocket science
December 14, 2022
Top sensible Mick. It’s almost like those in charge want it to be an insurmountable problem.
December 14, 2022
Whenever Labour are asked about immigration, they come up with nothing. I think that when there is a new parliament objective, then the opposition parties must set out a green paper, by a certain date. Then they cannot say, as they always do, that they have repeatedly opposed HMGs plans. I assume that all opposition parties have access to all related information.
December 14, 2022
This is just more hot air from a pathetic Pretendy-Conservative Government which has lost control of everything.
You gave away the power to govern the country to Globalist Institutions and/or Quangos, and refuse to retrieve it. You allow the Civil Service to block any action which might produce results. And you allow the Human Rights Brigade and the likes of the BBC to bully you into giving OUR money to every foreigner who forces his way into our country and puts a hand out.
Until we leave the ECHR and substantially reform the Human Rights Act nothing will change.
This is just more waffle and “promises” from a Party which has no intention of REFORMING anything.
December 14, 2022
PS. We all know the way the Government will “clear the backlog.” There won’t be any removals. All that will happen is every criminal migrant who has forced his way into our country will be fast-tracked and given permanent leave to remain (and then ship over his entire extended family).
December 14, 2022
@Donna +1
December 14, 2022
+1 Donna
December 14, 2022
Of course this is all just waffle and lies. If Sunak was going to do anything sensible then he would start by instructing immigration officers to assess asylum claims properly. Currently, asylum applications are considered on the basis of the applicantās country of origin, rather than the country he ACTUALLY came from ā ie. France (in most cases). NOT ONE asylum applicant is fleeing war, or poverty, or persecution. NOT ONE. They are ALL fleeing FRANCE! They should ALL BE REFUSED. Instead, the vast majority are approved. This demonstrates the cretinous nature of this government of TRAITORS.
But the most important factor of all, which NO minister EVER discusses, is that THE UK IS FULL. We already have FAR TOO MANY people and are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. The UKās maximum comfortable population is 50 million. That is why the government should declare that the UK will no longer accept ANY asylum seekers whatsoever.
December 14, 2022
A good soundbite, but who believes anything will change? The 12 year Tory government, and 98% of politicians of all parties, have made cynics of us all.
I’d wager that next summer’s influx of illegals will be similar to the last 5 year’s average, at the least.
December 14, 2022
Do you know what? I like the Prime Minister! He has style. He is quietly efficient like a BMW. No fuss. And he dresses well for every occasion and gets it right. Also he understands big business because he is part of it. I therefore trust him too. A lot of politicians are totally ignorant of how the real world works. He is not.
These are the right noises and I appreciate that.
The word”fair” is brilliant! Housing illegal immigrants (not asylum seekers) in posh hotels while British people are sleeping rough or bed blocking in hospital is outrageous or, in normal language, “not fair”.
We will judge by the results.
December 14, 2022
He’s not elected to the position. He has little life experience and is going in 180 degrees the wrong direction on so many issues.
I’m sure Meghan Markle would dress well for the occasion and understands big business, just wouldn’t trust her within 1000 miles of any important decisions for the UK.
December 14, 2022
As a foreigner, I agree with you. Rishi Sunak also comes over less loud and more agreeable to cooperation.
December 14, 2022
Yes indeed, Peter, but cooperation with whom? It seems to me he cooperates with the people who installed him and their international backers. Collaboration might be a better word.
They say you can judge a man by who he hangs out with. A few pictures of who Sunak was hanging out with in his puce-coloured shirt at the Bali G19 conference might have told us quite a lot about him.
December 14, 2022
cooperation aka as weak kneed.
December 17, 2022
Well there was a regime installed in France. They were probably well dressed and quietly efficient.
December 14, 2022
He fronted the policies yesterday, so has put his head on the line (not that it makes too much difference given the circumstances). Sunak is certainly much more of a detail man (person?) than Johnson, so helpfully he has loooked at the problem and actually does have a plan (which was always doubtful where Boris was concerned). As I don’t have much faith anything will really change, it would be nice if I’m pleasantly suprised.
Won’t be holding my breath though.
December 14, 2022
speechless! ladies admired May’s shoes ….
December 14, 2022
Sunak might have come up with this because he actually realises people are peed off with Tory lassitude/idiocy?
The polls = bad Tory policy.
But what, pray,do folk think Labour would do re small boats?
Stop them??
December 14, 2022
Sunak is ‘frit’ because it has got to the point where a private members’ bill has been proposed to remove legal obstacles to deportations, supporters including one Sir John Redwood MP. If they want to achieve their objective of doing nothing until bad weather halts the boats they need to either head the rebellion off or whip MPs to vote the bill down, which would be a bit of a giveaway. Meanwhile there is an ongoing incident where a boat is reported to have capsized with likely fatalities. If this is ‘our’ fault, the fault lies with those who have encouraged these crossings by refusing to take the same resolute actions as Australia.
December 14, 2022
+many
Very interestingā¦and hopeful.
I see that now there has been an accident at seaā¦providing another excuse for inaction no doubt?
December 14, 2022
Frankly given your history to date, I donāt believe you.
December 14, 2022
Nor does anyone else looking at the recent polling.
December 14, 2022
Well, it sounds like more hot air. A small boats deal with France, indeed. We’ll wait.
Why is it Sir John, that governments always want new legislation instead of using existing legislation and removing not fit for purpose, or obstructive legislation, like the Modern Slavery Act?
Remove all benefits and legal aid. Why should they cost the tax payer a penny.
December 14, 2022
Same for legal immigration. There wages levels must be set high enough to cover ALL costs. Not just beneficial to the employer. The current levels and allowing dependents is pitiful.
December 14, 2022
Cut to the chase Sir John.
The Australian method.
Drones to find the in French waters and our boats to turn then round. They have not got the fuel to detour around the waiting picket lines. If the take to the water they are in French waters. Tell the RNLI if you go in and lift them they go back to France. If they bring them to the UK they will be prosecuted for aiding and abetting traffickers and fines for the organisation and prison terms for the crews. Once they are seen by drones they know they will be pushed back into French waters.
December 14, 2022
You are assuming the government wants to stop the boats! If so, why haven’t they done it already? They’d rather spend time and (our) money finding more luxury hotels for the comfort of these uninvited guests. Sod the tourist industry. If the lack of tourists causes more businesses go bust they’ll just join the others destroyed via high energy costs or taxed out of existence. The government even gives charities our money so they can challenge the government in court. What a scam and an insult to taxpayers everywhere! Talking the talk is one thing, walking the walk is non existent with these anti-UK undemocratic so called politicians.
December 14, 2022
@Shirley M +1
December 14, 2022
Every problem has a solution if everyone wants a solution.
December 14, 2022
+ many
How come the so called brains of Westminster could not think of that solution?
The frogs would not like it – so what! Time for Snake to grow up and be a man.
December 14, 2022
And in other news Andrew Bailey has instantly hit back at your plans to use Brexit to free up the City. No surprise doing the EUs dirty work.
There is no doubt the current boiler plating is holding us back. Will Sunak/Hunt have the cojones to push on?
History says no. Politically you need āyesā finally demonstrating leadership, sadly lacking at present.
December 14, 2022
“Holding us back”? Maybe, I would be cautious about lowering the boundaries between investment and retail banking too much – but (hopefully) ‘lessons have been learned’ from past mistakes (typed with tongue firmly in cheek)
December 14, 2022
Some other measures:
(1) Identify the person with the hand on the tiller and prosecute them for people-trafficking. Off to prison with them.
(2) Deploy a battalion of infantry along the landing beaches, so that none of the dinghyists can ‘do a runner’.
(3) Use DNA and dental-testing on all dinghyists.
(4) Provide no financial support, of any description, to any dinghyist given permission to stay.
December 14, 2022
@Sea_Warrior +1
All the time a Foreign Court overrides UK democracy and we have a Parliament that is not permitted to make, amend or repeal laws that pertain to activities inside the UK this cannot happen. You/We all voted for Democracy for nothing.
December 14, 2022
Sea Warrior. If you provide no benefits they are more likely to turn to crime adding to that problem now. We don’t need them here in the first place. We have to prevent them arriving in the first place. There is no need for any Albanian to enter the country illegally. Just get a visa and cheap Ryan Air flight. They don’t because they have criminal intentions.
December 14, 2022
If any here have Netflix I urge you to watch the film ‘The swimmers’ .It is a powerful film about refugees . It underestimates the problems , however the film having been made some years ago . more sympathy for the refugees abounds.
December 14, 2022
Just cancelled my Netflix subscription. It’s mostly a load of old rubbish and the final nail in the coffin for me was the Whinge and Ginge saga of the Sussexes.
December 14, 2022
Not got Netflix and won’t get it after the royal debacle.
December 14, 2022
So Sunak tells us that the state is going to employ hundreds and hundreds more people and that will stop the invaders. Really? I’ll believe that when I see it. As SJR made clear in yesterday’s post, well-staffed state bureaucracies won’t get things done if the top management isn’t able or willing to do the job. That’s where the problem lies. The Left’s Long March through the Institutions isn’t a socialist pipe dream, it has happened: just take a look at the list of Common Purpose graduates available online, and see how many are Heads, CEOs, Directors, etc.
‘Stop the boats’? Sorry, we’ve heard it all before from this government. What is the point of more patrol ships if all they do is complete the invaders’ journey for them? What is the point of introducing another law when Sunak wants to leave us subject to the ECHR, which migration-enabling lawyers will use to trump whatever he comes up with? Does Sunak not realise he and the Tories don’t fool anybody any more?
December 14, 2022
I heard it will be 500 extra staff. As we already have 1,000 who have achieved the current mess, what difference will another 500 make? Just more cost and no result.
December 14, 2022
Please don’t adopt the small boat narrative – that deliberately paints a picture of striving against adversity (Dunkirk style) whereas there is no adversity and it is a criminal act to arrive. They set off and are picked up by the navy or RNLI. We are then not even allowed to put them in processing camp because of the worthy who favour these criminal over our own people and throw taxpayers money at them.
Once a criminal always a criminal. What will be the point at which their need requires them to break the law once more?
December 14, 2022
@Narrow Shoulders +1
A Government and Parliament without a real democratic narrative, other than having today’s headline that is gone tomorrow
December 14, 2022
Yet more laws ?
Good grief, do we not already have enough legislation, indeed we already probably have more laws than we need, which complicates the simple charge of them entering illegally, and gives the taxpayer funded lawyers wriggle room.
We need ACTION not WORDS.
December 14, 2022
This is just nonsense, the only way to get these proposals through would be to leave the ECHR and sufficient Conservative MPs would vote against that to make it impossible.
December 14, 2022
The very act of entering the UK illegally is a criminal offence. The UK the doesnāt permit those with criminal offences that are from other Countries to remain.
The only stumbling block is the ECHR, a foreign court that the UK as a democracy is bowing down to. The broad idea of the ECHR has no place in a Democracy. If the UK as a Democracy with an elected Parliament is saying it is incapable of making, amending and repealing the laws that relate to activities inside UK territory, it is the UK Parliament we no longer need it has no purpose.
You cant have both, you cant be called a democracy if it is powers outside our own domain that define how we run as a Country and not our own Parliament.
As with everything else we need a Government and Parliament to step up and full-fill its elected purpose.
December 14, 2022
Sir John
With respect these words from the PM are just there for the media sound bite they have been said and repeated many times before ā we get the same real action — NOTHING!
The refusal of Government and this elected Parliament to do what they are paid for is astonishing ā no other Democracy in the World is this lame and costs so much for nothing,
December 14, 2022
Dominic Cummings tweeted on this topic yesterday, https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1602665141488812032
ālegal facts
āa/ ECHR/HRA works v differently in UK to rest of EU cos of common law & judicial review
āb/ Legal advice to No10 was clear from 2020: you cannot fully solve small boats *without repealing parts of HRA* (then if u want to escape Strasbourg cases, leaving ECHR)
I recall Braverman also saying HRA had to go before ‘small boats’ could be stopped.āSunak doesn’t address this, either for or against, so I feel he is trying to deceive.āI don’t think he will stop small boats and his party will pay at the General Election.
December 14, 2022
To be honest, this could just as easily come from the Labour party manifesto. Both would be unbelievable. Somehow I think Reform will act to do what needs doing. This is just hot air to keep us quiet.
December 14, 2022
The dingy arrivals are a distraction.
The economic and social damage is being caused by a million over staying students and work visas coming into the UK every year.
I donāt believe the Conservative Party will do anything. They have cried wolf on border controls for decades. They have zero intention of slowing down mass migration. I do not believe a word they say and neither does any other voter anymore.
There are no countries in history where mass migration has not led to a civil war and/or take over. None. Not one. We are no different.
December 14, 2022
āHowever, we will go further still to solve this problem once and for all: early next year we will introduce new legislation to make it clear that if you enter the UK illegally you should not be able to remainā – Already exists but over ride by being subordinate to the ECHR
Its just talk for a headline in the media to deflect from all the other failures by the Conservative Party over 12 years.
December 14, 2022
As Iāve said before, every government announcement on this subject makes it worse in the short term. This one will generate increased demand – ālets get there before the rules changeā – which may result in riskier lower cost crossings in bad weather, possibly some deaths in the Channel and Sunak rowing back from his apparent promises as Labour accuses him of being heartless and breaking international law. Without offshore processing for every person arriving, this invasion is set to continue and accelerate.
December 14, 2022
Hi john
How many people smugglers have been caught and sent to prison ?
Why are we again paying France to do their job ?
Whey do we have so many homeless on our streets? at the same time giving homes food 24 hour medical care and money to spend to illegal people .
As a tax payer I have to look after myself with no help can’t get a doctor’s appointment or treatment I’m having to pay money I can’t afford
But the Afghanistan’s are being treated from the local hotel where they are getting everything for Free
before people born in this country
Thank you merry Christmas
George Sheard sutton coldfield
December 14, 2022
Should not be able to apply.?
Should read will not be able to apply
He has the mandate from the people with his majority.
Those who do not support the changes get named and told to look for other employment in 2024 if they are lucky enough to survive that long with all the unrest in the party that doesn’t seem to be going away.
Starmer must think he has died and gone to heaven. All he has to do is keep fit and healthy.
December 14, 2022
It is all moon shine and we have heard it all before. Cameron said the same and nothing happened and so did Boris and again nothing happened, except the numbers crossing increased dramatically. No doubt the PM’s 5 point plan will encourage the smugglers to send even more illegals across.
Successive administrations have screwed up the law and Boris put the lid on it, by incorporating EU law into UK law which was ‘sold’ as a real Brexit benefit as it was supposed to be a simple task to delete what we did not like or want. Since then NOTHING has been done.
This morning we have a real emergency on our hands with 2 lifeboats, air sea rescue helicopters attending an over crowded RIB in distress off the Kent coast. and on the French coast you have the smugglers laughing all the way to the bank.
Sir John, tell us the truth, explain the current law and how our hands are tied. The lawyers have us over a barrel and nothing is being done to change it. New laws will come in next year!!!!!!!!!! Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
December 14, 2022
Well it is pantomime time isn’t it.
The Government says “Oh yes we will!” The public, aware of our Governments’ ineffective past performances, say “Oh no you won’t!”.
December 14, 2022
It is not enough, because our prisons are too comfortable.
December 14, 2022
Already the left wing lawyers, pinkoes and wokists are howling ‘this is criminalising asylum seekers’
No! it’s criminalising criminals who illegally enter England.
Genuine asylum seekers can apply to come here or claim asylum in the first safe country they reach.
Nonetheless, I expect this latest bluster from our weak Gov. to fail.
December 14, 2022
Genuine asylum seekers can’t apply to come here from elsewhere. It is currently only possible to apply for asylum in the UK after arriving in the UK.
December 14, 2022
They can apply for asylum in ANOTHER COUNTRY. We don’t want them here. WE ARE FULL. The maximum comfortable population for a country the size of the UK is around 50 million. We are the most overcrowded country in Europe. Our roads are full. Our GP surgeries are full. Our schools are full. And our homes are reduced to the size of shoe boxes because there is no space to build larger, more comfortable houses. We cannot take any more asylum seekers. NOT ONE.
December 14, 2022
From a House of Commons library document of Nov. 2019:
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-dublin-iii-regulation-will-it-be-affected-by-brexit/
‘The European Parliament notes that in practice, however, the most frequently applied criteria [sic] is irregular entry. The application of that criteria [re-sic] means that the Member State through which the asylum-seeker first entered the EU is responsible for examining their asylum claim.’
After Brexit, ‘it will still be possible for a UK asylum application to be considered inadmissible if the applicant first travelled through another EU country. ‘
So the question is whether France (or an EU state earlier on the migrants’ route) has fulfilled its EU obligations before the migrants set out from Calais. If it hasn’t, why should we step in to help out the EU?
December 14, 2022
People starve and freeze because of ideology
Empires collapse because of global trade
Wars start because of cultural differences
But it will be different this time.
December 14, 2022
interesting that this is held back.
December 14, 2022
My point was in wars violence started at borders, now it might from the inside.
December 14, 2022
+many
Oh so true!
And the definition of madness isā¦.?
December 14, 2022
answer: A Tory MP wanting to renew a leased flat near Westminster for the next 5 years.
December 14, 2022
Sorry, Sir John, but it’s all talk & no action. The problem with the conservative government for the last 12 years is lots of talk about what is going to happen, but apart from screwing us on our personal taxes, nothing does. When we see small dinghies being towed back to France or Asylum seekers land one day & are flown off to Rwanda the next, we will then believe it.
December 14, 2022
its all blah. blah. blah.
December 14, 2022
Cameron said he would deal with the illegals.
Johnson said he would deal with the illegals.
Sunak said he would deal with the illegals.
So what is new? Nothing, they still won’t will the means to actually do it , the law Sunak says he will bring in next year is just another can kicking operation, after all how long does it take to put legislation onto the books? Years? What they won’t touch is the drivers of this invasion, the 1951 Convention, the ECHR, or the Human Rights Act . What we have found is something these poor excuse for conservatives actually believe in , they will happily go to their electoral wipe out not defending our country but these international obligations . They are true internationalists/globalists , and we come a very poor second to that.
What is really depressing is that things could get a whole lot worse, the only way Sunak can deal with the backlog is handing out an amnesty, it also clears their stuffed hotels. In addition Tory MPs, like Tim Loughton are latching onto another Labour policy, well no surprise there, the last 12 years have been a ‘me too’ to anything Labour suggests , so we will be getting the establishment of safe routes from around the world, as well as ‘climate refuges’. If we are not an already over crowded island they are trying to think of ways to make it a whole lot worse.
December 14, 2022
The French government could stop this trade overnight by accepting the return of all illegal immigrants who land on our shores. They choose not to which speaks volumes.
December 14, 2022
The Albanians aren’t even EU citizens, but the French somehow have them in their country ….lorry loads in dead of night?
December 14, 2022
Exactly !
December 16, 2022
They could also apply their own law against putting to sea in unworthy vessels.
December 14, 2022
It is too late.
There are already in excess of a million people who are illegally in the UK. Some estimates put this figure as high as 2.5 million.
How have successive Governments been so incompetent to allow this to become such an issue in the first place.
It is little wonder public services have fallen over in some areas and the need for social housing is through the roof. What is being done to remove those who are already illegally in the UK, with no right to be here? Absolutely nothing.
How can we also guarantee that the Home Office won’t just be rubber stamping every single claim, just to get the backlog cleared?
We need a system that turns people around straight away. Made clear that illegal entry = you will never be a British Citizen, or have a legal right to live here and access to public services/housing.
Until action starts to occur, I take yesterday’s speech with yet another pinch of salt.
I highly suspect we will still be talking about this issue in 18 months time and how it still hasn’t been resolved.
December 14, 2022
Itās a novel idea but as we know they come from Franceā¦couldnāt we just send them back, if found mid channel just tow them back, if landed give them a cup of tea, confiscate their boat and send them back ā¦.just try it once, please just attempt it once
December 14, 2022
Heard it all before!!!
How are they going to identify an Albanian, from all the rest?
First thing they all do is throw away their ID.
So, where are they going to return them? It will need to be a generic holding centre (Hence Rwanda), for everyone.
The truth is a court will not be able to undermine a Humans fundamental Right!
The Human Rights Act is a mess.
ECHR is being used against us!
And they think a new Law, on top off all the rest, will be any more effective???
The new Law would need to try to give our Illegal Migration Law priority, when the whole point of human Rights, and the Law trying to enshrine it, will be fundamental to the human in question!!!
It might be that Parliament is sovereign, but it will create a mess that the judges will, ultimately, have to interpret. They will have no choice but to (Reduction-ism) prioritise a Humans fundamental Right, and they are enshrined in Human Rights Act, and upheld by the ECHR!
December 14, 2022
And if “Over 40,000 people have illegally crossed the Channel in small boats this year” is nothing intended in respect of them and those who preceded them? Or once here they are here to stay, enjoying unrestricted access to any and all taxpayer-funded facilities, able because of their sizeable numbers to then demand more facilities better suited to their needs?
This Government is not serious, is it? But we will have a unified Small Boats Operational Command! A world first probably and obviously what we have been missing as a country. Note not a team, not a group, not a service, but a veritable operational command. Please promise us they will have smart uniforms.
December 14, 2022
Re: Migration?
Sorry, but we have heard it all before!!!
How are they going to identify an Albanian, from all the rest?
First thing they all do is throw away their ID.
So, where are they going to return them?
It will need to be a generic holding centre (Hence Rwanda), for everyone.
The truth is a court will not be able to undermine a Humans fundamental Right!
The Human Rights Act is a mess.
ECHR is being used against us!
And they think a new Law, on top off all the rest, will be any more effective???
The new Law would need to try to give our Illegal Migration Law priority, when the whole point of human Rights, and the Law trying to enshrine it, will be fundamental to the human in question!!!
It might be that Parliament is sovereign, but it will create a mess that the judges will, ultimately, have to interpret.
They will have no choice but to (Reduction-ism) prioritise a Humans fundamental Right, and they are enshrined in Human Rights Act, and upheld by the ECHR!
December 14, 2022
Sorry John, I don’t know why you got a double hit, from the last comment?
I did’t mean to send it so soon, I hadn’t re-read my structure.
BR
RDM (You do remember who this is. Right?).
December 14, 2022
O/T. Andrew Bridgen MP made a speech in the House last night of grave importance. Sadly few others were present to hear it. Please, Sir John, could you give us your thoughts on the vaccine situation?
December 14, 2022
The law of the sea requires us to rescue anyone in trouble at sea in British waters. That is a law we cannot disregard so provides no option other than to bring migrants ashore. Many of the boats are deliberately short-fueled and the migrants provided with a mobile phone to call the UK coastguard to advise that their fuel is running out. Even those that have enough fuel are underpowered, and grossly and illegally overloaded.
Every boat has a maximum passenger rating on its manufacturer’s plate, this is immediately visible on the transom of an inflatable. The French often inspect small private leisure craft and are very strict concerning the safety equipment required to be carried.
They frequently take action if they find a boat under-equipped or overloaded so if the French stopped them at the point of departure, impound the boat and legally prevent them from departing.
For some reason, as we have seen from numerous YouTube videos, they always turn a blind eye to migrant boats…………..
December 14, 2022
Unless France agrees to take them all back, the only solution is to transport them to Rwanda or somewhere else immediately on arrival.
As the Australians proved, nothing else will work.
December 14, 2022
If France doesnāt agree, stop trade, close the channel links, stop all bilateral agreements, kick out their fishing boats ā¦.theyāre either a good neighbour or a bad neighbour
December 14, 2022
Get real, Glen :Do you really want to close all trade with Europe and prevent any of us travelling by car or motorhome for a holiday?
December 14, 2022
If they’re bad/hostile neighbour YES
Belarus tried to push illegal immigrants across to Poland
December 14, 2022
YES.
December 17, 2022
Yes.
December 14, 2022
I don’t believe a word any of you people say. You’ve had years to stop immigratiions, but have failed to do so. The conclusion therefore, is that you don’t want to stop immigration.
The problem now is not just one of stopping immigration, but also one of getting rid of those who should not be here.
This includes the 2 million+ Chinese that Johnson said could just turn up here.
Reform.
December 14, 2022
Horrible government, enemies of this country. Same situation in the United States where its enemies have seized power.
December 14, 2022
Sir John,
… we have heard this all before …
December 14, 2022
An ongoing rescue of a small boat is currently underway, with sadly a number of deaths and many rescued transferred to Dungeness hospital ā¦itās a disaster but why isnāt any of them being transferred to Calais
December 14, 2022
I no longer believe that the Conservative Party, or indeed Parliament or the civil service or the judiciary want to halt illegal immigration or reduce our massive legal immigration.
Especially when the Cabinet Office and the Home Office fund the organisations taking the Government (aka the country) to court over the Governmentās Rwanda plans.
I shall believe our current PM only when I see Albanians on flights back to Albania and the cross Channel small boats towed back to France from whence they came.
BTW, donāt the French have the equivalent to our RNLI or a navy that can save these people from the dangerous crossing whilst they are still in French waters?
Our (?) PM giving the green light to illegal immigrants to be able to additionally claim asylum for fleeing ācatastrophic global warmingā if everything else fails, is just further proof, if it is needed, that there is no will to curb illegal, or indeed legal, immigration.
December 14, 2022
We have been absolutely stupid and soft in our treatment of immigrants ; maintaining a posture to make us look reasonable and good to the watching world simply means that we are the scapegoats and they – the lookers-on , get away with it . The costs , the inconvenience , the continuing embarrassment to Government , are all factors we do not need to put up with . It’s our re-actions that count and they should be immediate .
December 14, 2022
Bert Young
The globalists love all this self harming by our government. The sooner the wheels come off of UK plc the sooner ther will able to take control and build back better in their own image.
December 14, 2022
It is a start I suppose but why has it taken so long? What has the Home Office been doing all these years? Seems like the Government has dragged its heels on this (and other issues) like recalcitrant schoolboys who don’t want to do the task. There is still the ECHR elephant in the room of course, which has become weaponised to the detriment of UK interests. Feeling gloomy.
December 14, 2022
Today we read that 2 volunteer lifeboat crews had there lives put at risk in the English Channel, so that this Government can keep up its support for those involved in Human Trafficking and the appeasement of Criminals.
All at the expense and further sacrifice of the rights (Human rights even)of the indigenous legitimate citizens of the UK, who are treated appallingly. Why doesnāt the Government treat its own Citizens with the same respect instead of the funding slaves that they are?
December 14, 2022
Sounds excellent, but the lawyers will find ways to prevent illegal migrants being sent back the way they are doing now.
December 14, 2022
Paying France Ā£millions to, ineffectively, prevent these migrants from crossing does not work.
The boats and their occupants need to be towed back from whence they came, as the Australians did under Tony Abbott.
Why can’t these migrants escape their country of war, or persecution and seek asylum in neighbouring countries? They would be among people with a similar language, culture, religion and values. If fleeing war they can return home once the conflict is over.
I simply do not understand why the West is expected to provide sanctuary to them.
December 14, 2022
If you are a migrant from Saharan or sub-Saharan Africa, most of the surrounding countries will certainly not welcome you, and their administrations may well be as corrupt and incompetent (and possibly fighting civil wars) as the one you are leaving. Ditto if you are trying to leave a Middle Eastern country.
Those leaving Albania somehow don’t seem to find Bulgaria, Romania, Kosovo, Serbia or Greece offer quite the opportunities they are seeking – one wonders why?
As for the RNLI or the Border Force attempting to turn Channel dinghies back to France – would the migrants peacefully accept that?
December 14, 2022
Our Government’s generosity using taxpayer money is now World famous.
It is no good Mr Sunak blaming criminal gangs when he provides the market in which they thrive and the Border Force and RNLI to bring them here.
60 Tory MPs after next GE ???? That many ???
December 14, 2022
Blah, blah, blah. More people to continue the failing work ie. more people to approve illegal entry and more quickly. Send Albanians back – no chance – just talk about it.
What a weak cowardly and appeasing minded government – keep sucking up to the French.
In its mindset it will think it is doing well, it will be incapable of understanding our criticism.
And solutions are ‘administrative’, there will never be any action to turn invaders back, never. We the people who belong here will just have to surrender to foreign interests. PM would never dare anything effective as he would fear criticism from overseas.
And why is a Home Secretary making a statement about a minor sea accident? Cringing, grovelling.
December 14, 2022
Yet another tragedy today with lives lost in the Channel. All those lives could have been saved by turning boats back. There really is no excuse Sir John, the Australian example should have been followed.
December 14, 2022
Anyone entering the UK otherwise than by a monitored port of entry should immediately be detained until sent back to his home country, or to France, or the other country he left to invade the UK. All illegal immigrants already in the country, however and whenever they entered, should be tracked down and interned until removed, as above. At a monitored port of entry, no one should be allowed entry to claim asylum, unless they can make a clear prima facie case, at the border. No one coming from a safe country, such as France, should be considered.
No rescue operations of channel crossing boats should be made outside our national waters and those rescued within them should be treated as entering otherwise than by a monitored port of entry. No outside interference with our measures should be accepted and we should resile from any treaty enabling this.
December 14, 2022
Quite right but you are one QC who has no prospect of being appointed a Judge in today’s rotten judicial system.
December 14, 2022
More amusement
From order-order.com – A Ten Minute Rule Bill will be presented to the Commons by Gullis today
The amusing bit ā 1.ASYLUMS SEEKERS(REMOVAL TO SAFE COUNTRIES): TEN MINUTE RULE MOTION
From what is known they have all arrived from āSAFE COUNTRIESā they all hail from ā SAFE COUNTRIESā
So what is the discussion ā The ECHR over ruling our lawmakers when we ourselves cannot elect or select them(the ECHR), they are overseeing the destruction of what little is left of our democracy
The UK is just a Colony with no say on how it functions interanaly, a situation that has been allowed to evolved under this toothless Government – get a grip people!
December 14, 2022
Our glorious MPs voted 69 YES and 188 NO to the bill
December 14, 2022
Didn’t the other 390 wake up in time to vote?
December 14, 2022
Off topic, but another indication of how STUPID this government is, and why I hold it in such contempt, is the news that they want the trains to be ‘driver-only’ – ie. operated without a guard. I have been arguing for years for the VERY OPPOSITE! What we want are DRIVERLESS trains – which are safer and cheaper to run – and with only a guard on board (paid much less than drivers are) who would patrol the train to check tickets and keep passengers safe. THAT is the right policy, but this government of imbeciles is trying to achieve the complete opposite. I really despair. There is NO HOPE whatsoever for this bunch of useless morons.
December 14, 2022
X-Tory
I agree completely.
December 14, 2022
+1
December 14, 2022
Well I look forward to the new laws in the new year. However, I have seen a comment which suggests that we already have laws in place that allows effective action to be taken. I hope the UK courts can work fast to allow the partner ship with Rwanda to go ahead. Australia, Denmark and Israel have all used the offshore processing method and if you look at Australias figures before and after this action, you can clearly see offshore processing is a great way to help refugees.
Rwanda is a beautiful country, where refugees can go and relax while their claims are being processed. I do not doubt many will choose to apply to reside in Rwanda. The courts should work in earnest so that this project can get of the ground. We should employ a few crusie liners to make the journey a memorable one.
December 14, 2022
I’m assuming this is written in ‘sarcastic’ mode: Rwanda is a tiny country, sharing a border with the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Uganda, and situated at least 1000 kilometres from the nearest ocean. It is also, in reality, a dictatorship, albeit with a relatively effective administration compared to many of its neighbours.
December 14, 2022
“A new, permanent, unified Small Boats Operational Command in the channel with 700 new staff”
I see no committment to turning the rubber boats round and deflating them in French waters or picking the immigrants up and taking them back to France.
It is no good having an enlarged Small Boats Operational Command if all they do is escort the illegals to the UK.
December 14, 2022
Cosmicā¦how strange.
How reminiscent .
An accident on the very day our PM decides to address this problem.
I model a U turn on the horizon.l
The public shame will be overwhelming.
Maybe?
December 14, 2022
Thank you for voting for Jonathan Gullisās Bill on the ECHR , unfortunately it shows the problem we have with Parliament that only 69 MPs voted for it out of 650 MPs.
December 14, 2022
I can not understand why the S.A.S. has not been used to source where these boats and engines are coming from and being stored. There is no help from the European Union who through their open borders are unindated with immigrants and are quite happy to direct the illegal immigration our way which they have done for years. I am sceptical whether there is any will on behalf of the government to solve this crisis, when the E.U. deports immigrants they do not worry about what laws they break so why should we.
December 14, 2022
Sunak’s measures may or I rather suspect may not work to stop the colourful small boat route to illegal immigration. What about the less spectacular ‘overstaying’ route? Most of all what is to be done to drastically reduce legal migration which is over 95% of all migration and has resulted in net migration into this country of over half a million people in this last year alone?
December 15, 2022
Dear Sir John,
You have tweeted that ‘the government needs a list of safe countries people came from where staff can take much faster decisions to return asylum claimants’.
Here is that list:
France.
December 15, 2022
“if you enter the UK illegally you should not be able to remain”
Yet the Home Secretary refuses to create safe and legal routes…
Shameful.
December 15, 2022
A rather naĆÆve suggestion. If you set up safe legal routes, from all the world’s trouble spots, how many applicants would you get? It would be in the millions , so how many millions would you accept? Virtue signalling is not a cost free exercise.
December 16, 2022
How many we accept should be part of an international agreement. The UK currently accepts fewer asylum seekers than, for example, Greece and way fewer than France does.
We constantly hear about how great the UK is as a country, how good our economy is etc.. I see nothing wrong with actually backing those words up with some action.