The Prime Minister promised us he will stop the small boats that risk the lives of illegal migrants to get them into the UK. He made this one of his five aims. Last November he promised early action to deliver.
A previous Home Secretary introduced legislation to resolve this problem in UK law. Best Home Office and legal advice did not succeed in drafting a Ā lawyer proof law, so the Home Secretaryās aims were thwarted by legal challenges. Even criminals stayed in the UK with lawyers and the courts preventing their departures.
This week the PM and new Home Secretary I read may publish their draft bill. I have been urging them to get on with this since November. It will not work unless Ā it expressly overrides the Human Rights laws for these specific cases of people who have come here illegally. They should not be able to claim asylum from the UK after illegal entry . The Bill could contain a clause making this point and saying this applies, all other laws and Treaties notwithstanding.
We need to get on with this. Filling up hotels with illegals, keeping them there for many months and failing to send back those with no good asylum claim is unacceptable.
March 6, 2023
The Home Secretaryās aims were thwarted by legal challenges, were they? So what do you want, that the government should have powers that can’t be legally challenged? There’s a lot of history about countries who do that. None of it good. So sad to see where the ‘modern’ Tory party is going
March 6, 2023
Far more to the point.
What do YOU want?
March 6, 2023
I want to see them processed off shore
March 6, 2023
They need to train the people to process these people properly and quickly, especially these old cases pre-covid and actually find them to deport them, new graduate lawyers perhaps. Or are all UK lawyers now of the opinion that everyone
March 6, 2023
No-one arriving from France or Belgium is fleeing for their lives, therefore they should not be processed at all.
March 7, 2023
No, they’re not fleeing France and Belgium to protect their lives; they are trying to get a nice hotel room instead of a tent. The French have buses to the dingy departure points. We need to stop making them so comfortable for years on end.
John McTernan Blair’s former advisor thinks all refugees should be just granted to clear the backlog. Other supporters of free and easy immigration say they can’t apply outside the UK, so how else can they get in? It makes me wonder why they don’t fly in or ferry in legitimately with their passports, a FoI request (whatdotheyknow.com/request/803649Greening) to the Home Office revealed that 98% arrive without a passport! We are told they have family in the UK, and that is why they want to come, so why don’t they fly in to visit their family and then claim, or are there another 70,000 plus doing just that?
March 6, 2023
I want an end to the hysteria. A few desperate vulnerable people arrive on our shores – FAR fewer than arrive in most European countries, and in many cases they come from countries which the UK has destabilised (Iraq, Afganistan). We should let them in, treat them humanely, and take advanatge of the work ethic and determination they have shown by getting here in the first place
March 6, 2023
How many are you willing to put up at your place, provide health insurance so they aren’t a burden on the over-stretched NHS, install a cess-pit so their waste doesn’t load the over-stretched sewers, provide private schooling for their children?
If you aren’t, why should anyone else?
March 6, 2023
Dave, that is not how this country works (are you a recent migrant, I wonder?). Public services are not provided by individuals, they are provided by the government and funded by our taxes
March 6, 2023
“Dave, that is not how this country works…”
It is barely working at the moment, so overloaded is it. Eventually it won’t be working at all – as with the Roman Empire which got completely overrun..
March 6, 2023
So YOUR plan is to award automatic citizenship to anybody who arrives in a dinghy, thereby incentivising many more to cross and making a fortune for the smugglers. Are you on commission?
March 6, 2023
A few??? The population of the Cathedral City of Salisbury is 41,800. Your ‘few’ is a city’s worth of people.
March 6, 2023
Ahh, Iain! I was going to say similar!
Alp Mehmet (migration watch) says we have seen an additional 8 million people added to our population in the last 20 years.
March 6, 2023
EU admits total of its illegal migrants entering UK in 2022 was 31% higher than Home Office says
https://facts4eu.org/news/2023_mar_the_eu_migrants
March 6, 2023
A few Gary, you have your head under the blankets. 45,000 people is an invading army- we must not allow it to continue.
Gather them up and put them onto St Kilda with no support until they plead to be pushed back to the far east
March 6, 2023
Gary Megson,
No thank you, Gary.
Firstly it makes no sense to allow unlimited immigration from a world of 8 billon people into a small country which has already one of the highest population densities in the world.
Secondly economic migrants are not necessarily cultural migrants and many indigenous residents in the UK have no wish to see their culture and laws changed by large scale immigration.
Thirdly there are very good reasons why the countries from which these illegal immigrants come have not been able over the last two centuries to take advantage of the economic benefits of the Industrial Revolution and remain poor.
March 6, 2023
You overlook the fact that our population has increased by 8-10 million in 20 years mostly due to immigration already and that we are one of the most over crowded countries in Europe. We simply don’t have the capacity to deal with it. Most European countries are bigger than our islands and if they want to take more that is up to them.
March 6, 2023
Gary, how do you feel about a no-benefits, homes benefits, or credits unless you have lived in the UK for ten years for everyone, including British citizens and those with settled status? Earn your own keep for ten years before being eligible for anything other than schooling for children.
Healthcare requires health insurance or a regularly paid NI account above a basic minimum per annum until the ten years have passed.
March 6, 2023
They’re not desperate and vulnerable. They’re in safe FRANCE. Most of them are economic migrants and they’re asylum shopping for the best “deal” they can get. Our Establishment is stupid enough to give them the best “deal” which WE have to pay for.
March 6, 2023
+1
March 6, 2023
There are frequent complaints about the claimed absence of safe legal routes.
Writing a letter requesting asylum from anywhere in the world would be a safe legal route to make an application for consideration.
March 6, 2023
These young men are not desperate and they are not vulnerable. Enough of these virtue signalling cliches. They are full of vigour, hope, and ambition, just as your predecessors were when they went to the far flung corners of the Empire, and to America. The difference then was that they didn’t have charities and lawyers helping them along the way; they didn’t have a generous welfare state to keep them when they arrived; they weren’t put up in four star hotels at the local taxpayers’ expense; and they took their women and children with them.
March 6, 2023
They are not desperate or vulnerable they are greedy and able. They come here to earn more money in the black market and are physically and mentally able to pay thousands for a ride on boat across the channel. They then receive tax payers money that DOES actually rob desperate and vulnerable British people of help and support.
Itās pure robbery.
March 7, 2023
Gary “in many cases they come from countries which the UK has destabilised (Iraq, Afganistan)”.
What do you think, Gary that the UK shouldn’t get involved anywhere else in the world. According to Blair, the trigger was Iraq’s failure to take a “final opportunity” to disarm itself of alleged nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons that U.S. and British officials called an immediate and intolerable threat to world peace. 2003 invasion of Iraq.
November 2001
Following the ‘9/11’ terrorist attacks in America, Britain deployed to Afghanistan with the US and other allies to destroy al-Qaeda, and the Taleban who had backed them. 20 years of British Troops in Afghanistan at great expense to the UK taxpayers – 16 Aug 2021 ā After the Taliban regime had been driven out, UK forces stayed in Afghanistan to help provide security for the new transitional government.
Many people in the UK think, why do we bother trying to improve things for people in these countries? I must admit when the UN, peace, dignity and equality on a healthy planet, busy themselves in every tiny thing that they don’t believe the UK does enough about, yet do nothing about Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Syria they should concentrate their efforts of building a slightly better world in those particular Countries that too many males are trying to flee from leaving their women folk behind!
March 6, 2023
An answer to the Tim Loughton question would be a good start.
Provide safe and legal routes that do not require genuine asylum seekers to first find a way of getting onto UK soil before being allowed to make a claim.
March 6, 2023
Are you saying there are no safe and legal routes for genuine asylum seekers Peter?
The UK pays for several centres I read. Jordan Ā£95 million in UK aid for humanitarian support, the UK is one of the WFP largest donors with new funds to support refugees and other bases. 100 skilled refugees from Joran and Lebanon were sponsored by Britain last July.
The UK issued 62,000 work permits Jan 2022 after doing similar in previous years.
You’re very quick to condemn the UK do you ever have a good word for the money and work we do elsewhere in the world. Save the children “23 Sept 2016 ā The UK has provided more than Ā£1 billion in humanitarian aid to the Syria crisis, and most recently pledged Ā£84 million to help”
In the year ending September 2022, the UK received 72,027 asylum applications …unhcr.
Are you claiming the Immigration Advice doesn’t help anyone to claim asylum legitimately? How many legitimate applications are waiting their turn? You have no sympathy for them being bypassed?
March 7, 2023
For the vast majority of genuine asylum seekers, correct, there is no safe and legal route.
I am not claiming that asylum seekers receive no help, but under current UK law, for most genuine asylum seeker, it is not possible to make an asylum claim without already being on UK soil. That is a fundamental issue which needs to be changed, as well as a source of the business opportunity for the smuggling gangs.
I am also fully supportive of work the UK does overseas which is why I am critical of the government’s decision to resile from the 0.7% manifesto commitment to overseas aid.
March 7, 2023
Oh Peter, for goodness sakes the costs of all these immigrant hotel accommodations, legal aid and meals alone will take us much over any 0.7% arbitary target.
March 7, 2023
The 0.7% of foreign aid was translating to Ā£10-12bn/year. Right now the cost of hotels appears to be Ā£4.7 m/day, which over a year makes Ā£1.72 bn. There is still a small gap in your calculation, isnāt it? Or do I have to understand that ālegal aid and mealsā make for the Ā£8 bn missing in your āestimateā?
March 8, 2023
I was answering Peter, hefner, he said: “I am critical of the governmentās decision to resile from the 0.7% manifesto commitment to overseas aid”
There is much more paid out of foreign aid than just the hotel costs of immigrant arrivals. We sent Ā£95m to Jordan alone to house and look after Syrian refugees there, press release 30 Jun 2022.
He said the UK was reducing its 0.7% of gdp to 0.5%. My point is that it when the figures come out if they ever do, we will STILL be above the 0.7% IF government includes all the true costs from collecting people at sea, (how much does that operation cost alone), the hotels isn’t the whole picture is it, there is legal aid (how much is this costing per year), meals, medical, education, clothing, phones, (how much is that costing per year?).
Then you’ve got the free treatment of people in our NHS from all over the world that our NHS refuses to create bills for and rebill back to European countries as they bill us. They are just all hidden foreign aid costs.
Countries that Provide and Receive the Most Foreign Aid? Wristband Resources
https://www.wristband.com āŗ content āŗ which-countrie…
DAC Members’ Foreign Aid Donations Ā· United States: $34.73 billion Ā· Germany: $25.01 billion Ā· United Kingdom: $18.10 billion Ā·
March 6, 2023
But why does someone who is in France, a safe country, need to make an asylum claim in the UK?
If you need to flee country A for safe country B but then decide you’d rather live in C then you are an economic migrant, the same as a citizen of B who decides they’d like to live in C.
March 7, 2023
So do you expect France to take all asylum seekers and the UK none (when France already takes more asylum seekers than the UK does)?
Or should the UK do its fair share based on the size of our country and economy?
March 7, 2023
If they are legitimate Peter why don’t they fly in, come in on a ferry or train legitimately with their documents and passports. 98% of these supposed ‘fair share immigrants’ have no documents or evidence of who they are!
March 6, 2023
Someone genuinely fleeing for his life goes to the first safe country and takes his family with him. Or, sends his family to safety in the first safe country and stays to fight for his country.
Loughton was trying to catch the HS out by pretending not to understand this simple age old principle.
March 7, 2023
Loughton exposed the Home Secretary and her rhetoric for what it is.
March 7, 2023
“100 million people” “Let’s be clear, they’re coming here”.
Vile rhetoric that has no place in a decent society.
March 7, 2023
As we all know 77 million Turks have already arrived to the UK since June 2016 (express.co.uk, Farage (and Johnson), 18/04/2016).
March 8, 2023
Peter, I had to look up your quote.
LBC “Speaking in the Commons on Tuesday, she said, “there are 100 million people” who would qualify for asylum under the current law.
She added: “Let’s be clear – they are coming here. “This is the crucial point of this Bill. They will not stop coming here until the world knows that if you enter Britain illegally, you will be detained and swiftly removed. “Removed back to your country if it is safe, or to a safe third country like Rwanda. And that is precisely what this Bill will do. That is how we will stop the boats.”
Ms Braverman said people will be able to be detained for 28 days without bail or judicial review. Only under-18s, those medically unfit to fly or at “real risk” if they are returned to the country they have left will be able to lodge an appeal to avoid being deported. There will also be an annual cap on the number of refugees entering via safe routes as part of the bill.”
Today “Braverman admitted that as many as 80,000 people could cross the Channel in small boats this year. The figure is an upper-limit forecast from the Home Office” Guardian “Asked about the comment, she told the BBC:
I see my role as being honest ā¦ Iām not going to shy away from displaying the enormity of the problem that we are facing.
The UN itself has confirmed there are over 100 million people who are displaced globally, because of all sorts of factors like conflict or persecution ā¦ and these are many people who would like to come to the United Kingdom.” Guardian
March 6, 2023
Yes, it’s hard to see how these ideas could not break UN undertakings.
However, the Tories can rely upon their rags to twist the story into being that “woke judges” had blocked the plan, rather than the the fact of the UK’s UN participation that they had interpreted correctly.
March 6, 2023
When laws no longer work for the country and are detrimental to our people, they must be changed, or do you like the idea of banging your head against a wall even if it damages your brain because someone else says you must continue to do it?
March 6, 2023
Try reading the piece again. Sir John urges the govt to introduce legislation so that there will be no such challenges as they will have no legal basis.
Let’s hope there’s lots of vocal and self-righteous opposition to this from the left and it gets done nonetheless. Did you see that a couple of violent foreign criminals whose recent deportation was prevented by virtue signalling leftists have now murdered someone?
March 6, 2023
+1
Nothing trumps their fear ( of being called āwaycistā?)
Not even when it is one of their own getting murdered.
March 6, 2023
Reading again: ‘he will stop the small boats that risk the lives of illegal migrants’.
Does this mean he will not stop the illegal ones using large safer boats to get through?
March 6, 2023
I agree. The law will be passed by Parliament, not imposed by government.
March 6, 2023
110% I cannot support the move enough!
We need RID of them
March 6, 2023
They don’t care about murdering terrorist types coming into the UK. Neither does this Government or its opposition. E.g Manchester and several other examples. If they were serious this would have been sorted years ago. There is no political will as all of Westminster is left wing, high taxes, big state, mass immigration. Sue Gray? Why have the Tory’s done nothing about the left wing Civil Serpents, Councils, Police, Treasury, Home Office etc. All politicised under Bliar. Recruitment processes changed to left wing, woke/PC rulers. No right of centre hetrosexual English men need apply.
March 6, 2023
āWe need to get on with this.ā
Viktor Orban would have got this done long ago.
Hungary is not a rich or powerful country, but thatās what happens when your Prime Minister has the determination to address the issue and a belief in his own nation state.
March 6, 2023
The ballot box used to be the means of challenging unpopular laws. Even the threat from poor polling could be enough to cause a government to change course. See e.g. Poll Tax. But no longer. Political parties have been captured by a narrow establishment that forces through unpopular policy in a largely uniform manner, and the courts are now part of that, and not a safeguard.
March 6, 2023
@ Gary Megson – what is wanted is robust law that does what is intended and what is stated therein. That is a normal requirement and one that applies to most laws, which failing they typically fail as law.
(Were you perhaps thinking of government by ministerial decree?)
March 6, 2023
Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002, 41, Part A,
Section 80B Asylum claims by persons with connection to safe third State,
Sub-section (1) The Secretary of State may declare an asylum claim made by a person (a āclaimantā) who has a connection to a safe third State inadmissible
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/41/section/80B
March 7, 2023
We want grown up judges and ethical lawyers. That is all.
March 7, 2023
āGrown up judges and ethical lawyersā: who does not want them to be so, but do you want them to be independent?
March 8, 2023
‘Independent’ do you want them un-answerable to anyone? One arbitrary person, some who use their personal beliefs to judge things like climate change, unless the accused actually ignore the judge, and then they get jailed for seven weeks!
“An Extinction Rebellion protester thinks a judge’s decision to clear him and three others over criminal damage to a government building could be a “pivotal” moment for the movement…Pete was charged with criminal damage after he and nine other scientists stuck protest posters on the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy building in London. Some used glue to stick themselves to the facade of the building, and others, like Pete, kept to their posters and chalk paint to cover the property in an act of nonviolent civil disobedience.”
Would you be so accepting if people went and took their refugee protests to the Home Office about not stopping immigration, faster, further and more efficiently? If they glued themselves and caused criminal damage with paint and all sorts and stopped traffic because they disagreed with the asylum policy. You wouldn’t because that doesn’t fit your personal point of view.
March 6, 2023
Good morning.
Once they arrive they will not, and cannot, be deported. France does not want them back.
Stop making laws that will not work as :
1) ECHR and the law on Human Rights trumps domestic UK Law.
2) We cannot stop people leaving on the French side.
3) We are actively encouraging illegals by letting them stay and housing them.
If we rehoused them on a remote Scottish Island as I have been saying we would discourage further attempts. We should also work in the Mediterranean and sent the illegals back to Africa. The Rwandan deal is a con as it just swaps one refugee for another. At least most of those who land hear are young and fit, where as, under the Rwandan deal we would have send one to them in exchanged for someone with serious mental or health problems.
Australia did not sit around making pointless laws and agreements. They acted by telling those they wish to enter our country they will not be allowed on mainland UK territory and their efforts are for nought.
March 6, 2023
Australia – like NZ and Canada – has a human rights act near identical to the UK’s and like UN undertakings.
In the case of the Vietnamese boat people the facts were simply different. Vietnam was not then held to be a country from which asylum need be claimed.
March 6, 2023
I wasn’t aware France was a country from which asylum was needed.
March 6, 2023
They have no right to French citizenship and are not claiming it from there, but from their home countries.
Try and keep up, even with the very basics, eh?
Reply So why do you think they have a right to Uk citizenship but not to French?
March 7, 2023
Keep up with the basics: in 2022 Germany regularised 210,445 migrants, France 144,600, Spain 109,180, Austria 87,815, Italy 75,520, Nederlands 35,605, Belgium 34,065, Greece 32,045, Sweden 19,625. (eurostat). The UK regularised 72,067 (Home Office).
To say, as some infer on this blog, that EU countries are not taking their share of migrants is simply wrong.
Furthermore for the January-October 2022, 39,626 crossed the Channel, but 125,349 the Hungarian border, 85,592 arrived in Italy, 34,047 to Greece, 13,236 to Spain, 5,328 to Slovakia.
Finally, why concentrate on the 45k crossing the Channel while 200k+ arrived by plane with visas and appear to set up in the UK without leaving it again. Is it because the 45k+ might have been seen through Nigelās binoculars and therefore been reported in some particular media, so āconcernedā MPs can perform the Dance of the Seven Veils to their prospective voters?
March 8, 2023
Germany wanted migrants we were told, banners in football grounds held aloft in English.
‘We can do this!’ ā Merkel’s words five years on
Peter Hille
In 2015 German Chancellor Angela Merkel uttered her famous quote about taking in refugees. Today the numbers show that integration has made progress, though skepticism persists…One thing is clear: the number of people applying for asylum in Germany has decreased significantly since 2015. A total of almost 1 million people applied for asylum at that time. Most of them came from Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq ā countries in which war and terrorism are an everyday threat.
How many did she give papers to that then just came into the UK?
March 8, 2023
hefner, when you say UK ‘regularised’ does that mean were accepted, how many arrived in 2022 over that 70k that are still waiting because of the Home Office slowing down on process for some unknown reason?
March 6, 2023
N L H
Albania, India, Pakistan there on some of the boats
March 6, 2023
And after Due Process they would, if applicable, be sent back there.
Under everything from Magna Carta to HRA they are entitled to Due Process.
Or are you willing to give up your right to that so that they can be deprived of it too?
The law binds everyone equally.
That’s the bit that you hate, isn’t it?
March 6, 2023
Agreed Mark B. Excellent post.
March 6, 2023
Correct. They should be processed off shore; we have plenty of islands where they could stay until their claim is processed. South Georgia would do just fine.
March 6, 2023
South Georgia, 12,300 km away? So first fly them to Stanley, Falklands, with refuelling stop on Ascension Island, then 750 nautical miles sailing to South Georgia? In which town will you put them? at what cost?
Ever had a look on Google Map at what SG looks like ?
March 6, 2023
It would be cheaper to build them accommodation on S.Georgia that fund them (and the rest of their extended families they’ll ship in) for the rest of their lives.
March 6, 2023
We can stop the small boats mid channel and tow them back to France or at the very least push them back out of our territorial waters and alert the France authorities
March 7, 2023
Scotland is very pro immigration, they have abandoned islands that used to be inhabited. The army portable lodgings could be used. https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/nine-abandoned-islands-scotland-1468227
If they’re good enough for the British military they are good enough for people waiting processing arriving here undocumented and using none passport checked arrival points.
March 6, 2023
Not trying to be ācleverā or anything but I really would love to know why/how the govt. can obtain powers to do stuff like āThe Lockdownā yet canāt prevent or repel what is basically an invasion.
Is it their terror/love of the Left? Yet they must know that the Left wants to destroy the country.
Why the delay? Why the prevarication? Why take notice of legality all of a sudden?
Would the same happen if actual troops from a warring country landed?
March 6, 2023
Cuibono
The Corona virus act was to control, punish and terrorise the domestic population. The whole state machine and the media were against us.
March 6, 2023
+many
Exactly.
And it usefully paved the way for all the 2030 rubbish. Net Zero = covid rules.
And now an āinquiryā to throw some ( only obeying orders) under the bus.
To lull us back into sheeplike oblivion?
March 6, 2023
Exactly.
JR rightly says:- āWe need to get on with this. Filling up hotels with illegals, keeping them there for many months and failing to send back those with no good asylum claim is unacceptable.ā Indeed it is and of course it advertises and encourages ever more to arrive in Kent and elsewhere so they do. But Sunak/Hunt have no intention of doing sensible things like leaving the ECHR, not entering the Windsor Knot, ditching net zero, cutting the size of the state, having a bonfire or red tape and the vast government wast, stopping the wars against car users, landlords (and thus tenants), the self employed, the hardworking & productive or reducing taxes hugely.
Though he has promised to halve the inflation his money printing (as chancellor) has clearly caused.
March 6, 2023
+many
March 6, 2023
If foreign troops landed on our shores?
Best thing that could happen whilst the true British people take up arms to repel them there would be mayhem on the roads, rail, and airways as all the illegals would be leaving this country wholesale.
March 6, 2023
++
Lol
Fair point!
March 6, 2023
My local hotel is full of Afghans for the last 12 months!
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March 6, 2023
Which makes me wonder if every last British soldier serving in Afghanistan had his own personal interpreter.
March 6, 2023
@ Sea Warrior – the multiple was around four Afghans (interpreters and others) to one British soldier.
None of the fours nor their compatriots were so fussed as to want to actually oppose the Taliban takeover but then when a life of ease in a four star hotel in a soft country beckons, why bother?
March 6, 2023
+1
March 6, 2023
Only 12 months. If it’s a tax rise it’s by 6pm today, or a lock down by next week but if its stopping and deporting illegals its sometime never. They are lying as they are actively supporting it.
March 6, 2023
Good morning
How about changing the law so that people arriving illegally into the country aren’t entitled to legal aid.
March 6, 2023
Oh yes Gramp, and no cash or phone either.
March 6, 2023
Or PTSD PIP social benefit payment either!
(A Talk Radio caller said heād heard this first hand and is true)
March 6, 2023
Gramp
Indeed, the Government as usual are looking at complicated, lengthy and expensive solutions, when the answer is for very immediate and simple cost effective ones.
No paperwork no entry, return the same day to an approved refugee camp abroad, no legal aid for lawyers, no transportation inland, as they should be held at the point of entry until returned.
All immigrants have the opportunity to apply for entry in advance, we should only accept those who abide by those rules. Otherwise what is the point of having a system if we allow a free for all !
We spend Ā£ Millions each year supporting refugee camps so use them !
March 6, 2023
How many thousand illegal Albanians has your Government deported this week? ………..none. Why not, safe Country, no war, but you expect me and the 46% to pay for your lack of action. Just go. You’ve had 13 years with no conservative policies, just higher taxes and pathetic health, education, mass immigration policies. Totally woke everywhere. English people are now legislated second class with equality laws. Hang your heads in shame and just go and take Sue Gray.
March 7, 2023
A chap called Adam Vasco, Director of Diversity and Inclusion In professional practice at the UNi of Wolverhampton tweeted two days ago a link to a BBC post saying:
It’s NOT illegal to cross the channel.
Well, it would be a start to make it illegal to cross the channel without coming through passport control.
March 6, 2023
Definitely!! This has been much too long coming into force. The majority of people in the UK want something put into place to stop these people coming into our country. Our economy is fragile and people in this country are suffering from high prices. The country is seen as an easy ride for many of the people who arrive. Obviously, genuine refugees need support, but others need to be sent home. People will complain that it is a costly exercise but surely it is much more costly to keep them here.
March 6, 2023
This importation from France is strategic, deliberate and ideologically motivated. What a pity it is that the Tory party refuse to expose the sinister ideological underpinnings of this migration of humanity
Powell’s ‘rubbing the Tories in diversity’ and the Tories appeasement through fear to this politics simply provides more ammunition to the progressives and provocateurs who use identity as a a weapon of war against speech, culture and freedom
The Tores could expose Labour’s real purpose but choose not to
March 6, 2023
+many
Agree.
If they could just back control of our language.
So many words are now impossible to use.
What Braverman did with her āinvasionā speech was a very positive step.
But more MPs need to be courageous!
And then stick to their guns.
March 6, 2023
Maybe it would be a good idea to concentrate on getting people in the U.K. off benefits.
Get them back to work doing anything.
Make absolutely certain that employers can not discriminate against applicants for being English, having a degree ( āoh ā¦you are over-qualifiedā and anyway we wanted a womanā) and simply because they need to fill a bonkers quota.
Destroy the totally berserk benefits system and the U.K. is no longer āEldoradoā.
And when one considers how totally impossible that would be ā¦it is apparent what terrible trouble we are in!
March 6, 2023
Cuibono
Declare a National emergency to get the laws needed through because if it keeps on that is what it will become if its not now.
The time and place is not for weakness.
All charities supporting these invaders to lose their taxation benefits.
The whole immigration system is weak and rotten to the core and is being totally annihilated with weak laws and incentives to those openly abusing the system.
March 6, 2023
++many
March 6, 2023
@Turboterrier
“All charities supporting these invaders to lose their taxation benefits”
Yep ….. it is stupid to permit our tax money to be used to help thwart an elected Government.
I believe that the whole charity tax system needs to be looked at.
March 6, 2023
We donāt have weak laws we have weak implementation of the currents laws by our woke government ā The law is there, it just needs someone to enforce it – Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002, 41, Part A, Section 80A,B,C
March 6, 2023
Indeed even RAF discriminated against white men recruiting on diversity grounds rather than talent. Do we really want less able RAF pilots and staff so as to match diversity targets?
March 6, 2023
++many
I just canāt imagine my Dadās or Grandadās reaction to the RAF betrayal.
And my other Grandad had been driven mad by shell shock 1914 – 1918.
March 6, 2023
How about brain surgeons or heart transplant specialists? One legged Albanian transgender people are under represented. I demand there be positive action for their recruitment. Qualfied English people need not apply.
March 6, 2023
Ashley, that is completely invented. Really, the hysteria of some of you people is sad
March 6, 2023
It was reported by the BBC, so it must be true
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62582156
March 6, 2023
Cressida Dick also boldly claimed they recruited on diversity ground too. This to match Londonās population mix by race, gender sexuality… You can either recruit on diversity ground or recruit purely on talent & ability and take the best people. You cannot achieve both at the same time. if you do the former then mathematically you clearly get rather lower quality as you are constraining your choices only in a 1 in 100 million chance or similar would choosing the best people actually give by chance give you the ārightā diversity mix. Cost far more to do too.
March 6, 2023
Bottom line is that voters will not vote for any party that does not deport illegal immigrants.
If you donāt deport them then voters will get somebody else in who will deport them.
March 6, 2023
Javelin
Totally correct
March 6, 2023
I wish you were right Javelin, I truly do, but it seems a majority of voters would still vote Labour if given the chance, and nobody can seriously think Starmer would deport large numbers of illegals.
March 6, 2023
Indeed but who will this somebody else be, certainly not Labour.
March 6, 2023
But all/both the parties who have any chance are the same on this issue.
March 6, 2023
Why does the UK treat the illegal immigrants like VIP’s? It’s an enticement to come here. Other countries don’t provide all these perks/benefits to ‘asylum seekers’, so why does the UK?
Do as Australia did and don’t allow hem to set foot in the UK. Once they are on UK soil we become responsible for them.
March 6, 2023
Stop all the benefits and hand outs and once and for all get us out of the ECHR. Stop tinkering around the edges.
The traffickers see themselves as knights of old giving the people a the chance of a better future. They now live over her and launder their money into the communities. All highlighted by recent press and media articles. Put a bounty on their heads and the offer of citizenship to expose them. Fight fire with fire.
Set draconian taxation levels on the legal companies milking the system and earning millions. Make the whole process totally not viable to get involved in.
March 6, 2023
Illegal immigrants, economic asylum seekers and visa overstayers need to be housed in secure army barracks until they can be returned to their home country …for their own safety and welbeing
March 6, 2023
may publish their draft bill
Unless they get emergency mesures to get this bill through it wonāt happen in this Parliament , itās all show to look tough on illegals and what about the thousands that are already here , your government as had years to do something about it and for the last 4 years had the biggest majority to pass any law it wanted, could it be that thereās a General Election just around the corner, donāt take the public for idiots we are not stupid
March 6, 2023
+1
March 6, 2023
Five live had an immigration lawyer on yesterday morning.
He made two interesting points:
We only have agreement with 4 countries to send their economic immigrants back.
We used to send back 60,000 per year before 2010 with applications processed in two days, now it takes four months and we only send back 5,000
Solve these two issues as part of any change in legislation. The make work civil service can be used to process face to face quicker rather than siting working at home on “policy”
March 6, 2023
Stop foreign aid to any country not taking back its citizens.
March 6, 2023
Christine
Love it
March 6, 2023
Spot On
March 7, 2023
Yeah right, but a bitty simple when the migrants do not have ID allowing the authorities to know where they are from, and as far as I know Belgium and France do not get foreign aid from the UK. Just another vacuous statement, isnāt it?
March 6, 2023
I think Sue Gary and Simon have showed their true feelings about the Tories and it would interesting to put a large number of actual conservatives in these departments.
March 7, 2023
I dont know how many years I’ve been saying this but its blindingly obvious. Sack the lefty Civil Serpents.
March 7, 2023
No need to sack them but the Tories have had ten years to even up the number of conservative recruits into those departments as other departments and move on, and they have squandered that opportunity. To identify you just ask questions at the interview to see if they support your manifesto aims that the general public chose for a start!
March 7, 2023
Did they say why it now takes four months instead of two weeks?
March 6, 2023
All refugees are from the EU which is a safe-haven. They must ALL be returned.
We also need to get rid of non-Dom status as in the USA. All people with duel citizenship should lose their British citizenship.
Then we will have sufficient resources to care for the remainder who have been vax-damaged.
Did you see the CNN report Sir John? Ukrainians killed 240,000 Ukrainians disabled 250,000. Letās STOP the WAR! Itās cruel to Ukrainians who are being sacrificed on the alter of the Neo-Cons.
March 6, 2023
A type of Australian solution is the only effective one.
My preference would be to promise illegals they will never be allowed to work, and will be contained in very basic male and female holding camps until we deport them or they leave of their own free will (as an incentive we’d pay the outward travel cost and give them a month’s living costs at their new destination). No asylum claims processed from anyone considered to have come via a safe country.
March 6, 2023
Totally agree, we need to ensure that illegal entry to UK. Is just that, illegal. If all benefits are removed, this blatant illegal crossing of our borders will stop!
March 6, 2023
Exactly, extremely easy to stop at the point of service if difficult to stop at the point of entry. 4 start hotels don’t really cut it in this regard.
March 7, 2023
W, The Brits have experience in those things, have they not, your proposal looks like the concentration camps where the Boers were kept in at the turn of the last century.
March 6, 2023
resile from the refugee conventions for 20 years. We can still invite who we wish to invite.
March 6, 2023
I think we should invite like minded countries to draft a new convention that removes the problems we find with the present one. That would permit us all to move to the new basis while still preserving reasonable humanitarian intent, thus undermining objections to simply withdrawing from the present treaties.
March 6, 2023
I suspect the detail of Sunak’s proposal will turn out to be as honest as his “Windsor Deal.”
The “Trade Deal” to keep us umbilically attached to the EU requires us to stay in the ECHR …. so there’s no way he will be able to ban for life asylum applications from people crossing the channel and claiming asylum here.
Is he going to ship out the 80,000 who have been ferried-in over the past 2 years? Of course not …. he’s going to quietly give them an amnesty. They’ve struck gold by forcing their way into the land of “free everything” and have a lifetime now of British taxpayers funding them and their extended families they will ship in.
March 6, 2023
Instead of having an amnesty we could give them a limited status that DOESN’T permit them to bring in alleged family members. If they want reunion they can always go home.
March 6, 2023
Complying with our obligations freely and willingly entered into by signing the Goot Friday Agreement requires the UK to remain in the ECHR. Leaving th ECHR would breach the Agreement.
March 6, 2023
Nice little trap that agreement Peter wasn’t it. Are the EU and member Southern Ireland meeting all the requirements in the Good Friday agreement, I heard they weren’t.
We need to start applying the laws that are there. We need to cut benefits for everyone unless resident here for ten years.
March 6, 2023
You heard?
Perhaps you could provide actual evidence of your assertion.
March 7, 2023
“the DUPās central concern is ā and always has been ā reasonable. Under the current arrangements, Northern Ireland will inexorably diverge from the rest of the UK without unionist consent, challenging the basic political settlement of the Good Friday Agreement.” Unherd Tom McTague “From the beginning of this crisis, far more attention has been given to ensuring there is no physical infrastructure on the land border than on protecting the power-sharing political settlement at the heart of the Good Friday Agreement. ”
In December 2017, Theresa May agreed a deal which meant that whatever happened in the future, Northern Ireland would remain permanently anchored to EU law to ensure there was never any need for a land border. From this moment, the challenge became not how to ease the land border to make it acceptable to nationalism, but how to ease the sea border to make it acceptable to unionism…. A significant constitutional change.
I will try to find the other links for you later, unless you want to try a google search.
March 8, 2023
There was no need for a land border or sea border before Brexit. May’s deal was one designed to retain that situation. If this government had chosen a different type of Brexit, there would still be no need for either.
The current situation is down to choices made by the Conservative government, specifically the “oven ready deal”. They could have made different choices, but they chose not to. Blame the Conservatives for the current mess.
March 8, 2023
Peter, I blame the Benn Act, other MPs that should not have stood on the conservative ticket and the Lords actually. The uk wanted to be a global trader, that is the manifesto pledge Boris was given, not a restricted EU trader, taking orders, fees and fines, decisions on what farming we can do, where we buy our cheese from, what other products we can make and sell, lots of people (a majority although you wouldn’t think it to listen to you) had enough of it. In the North, people said they’d had enough of their jobs being shipped away to Eastern Europe. The EU said we couldn’t stay in the SM or CU and trade with other countries in our own right. There was only one way to leave after that, and we need this government to get on with it and stop holding things up. MPs who stood to support Boris and re-election in 2019, were given a whopping majority and then they still prevaricate and blame the lords.
Our payments are finally slowing down to the EU now, and still, British politicians want to still pay in and tie us up in nots over things like Horizon after the EU banned us from it, now they want back payments, our MPs need to get a backbone and just say no.
March 6, 2023
The ECHR is not the problem: Blair’s Human Rights Act and Harriet Harman’s Equality Act are the problem and need to be repealed. Cameron set the precedent for us when he rejected the ECHR’s instruction to give prisoners the vote. That was the end of the matter. We can stay members of the ECHR.
March 7, 2023
rose, which acts are they that we have agreed to that we supposedly can’t do anything about people crossing in boats 98% without passports.
The Global Compact for Migration isn’t legally binding so its not that. Drafted by the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR). The compact was drafted by the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR) following broad consultations with various stakeholders, and its definitive version was adopted by the UN General Assembly with a large majority on 17 December 2018. We do take a share of refugees every year on legitimate routes, although you wouldn’t think it to read some people on here.
March 6, 2023
Like Covid, ways will be found to massage the figures on boats. Perhaps give them gliders or balloons?
March 6, 2023
@Donna +1 – 100%, a pseudo Government bowing down to thier foreign masters at every turn. The Democratic rights of the UK citizen trashed every which way the can be found by these phoney wannabees
March 6, 2023
Itās a condition of EU membership that youāre also a signatory to the European Councils ECHRs
March 7, 2023
I thought we’d left. But again….
March 6, 2023
Seems you missed Braverman being questioned on Sky News I think it was recently, when she intimated it could be at least a year before any legislation is completed. Yet another government comment on this issue encouraging yet more crossings. Once again letās try not to expect anything at all in order to avoid disappointment from this government. The fact that you have written in the way that you have to day Mr Redwood shows you too seem to have have no real faith that this will be resolved.
March 6, 2023
Sir John is a minority conservative in a Consocialist Party of lefty liberals.
March 6, 2023
I don’t doubt that. If it takes 3 months to elect a leader and then get rid in days and install two people in the highest positions in the land who had been voted against, what faith can we have that they have any idea of what they are doing or how to go about it? How come our government always receives legal advice which is constantly rubbish whereas the left seem to have top notch lawyers which stymie our laws? Laws these days seem to be full of holes to be exploited. Is it incompetence or intentional?
March 6, 2023
@ MPC “Braverman…intimated…at least a year before any legislation is completed” – and then more delay measured in years to staff a unit to implement and act under the legislation when we could expect the numbers dealt with to be at best a few per cent. of the total.
The only proposed Government action I would be convinced by is an undertaking to build more four star hotels. The rest is likely lies, intended or not.
March 8, 2023
MPC, one thing Braverman could do right now today, is round up the people who failed their application and move them out of the UK. If they want to appeal they can be the first to go to Rwanda. They FAILED after a significant long investigation by the Home Office.
She can hire a lot more legal processors of asylum claims and speed up processing. Hire people who actually want to get this sorted, not the current hirees who want to keep everyone here and an open borders policy.
March 6, 2023
What law is it that mandates that the dinghyists must be fed, housed and pocket-monied? Is there any such law?
The cross-Channel invasion is a daily reminder that the government (with a healthy majority) is INCOMPETENT and out of touch with the mood of the nation. Either fix the problem, and hear the nation chear, or face oblivion at the next general election.
P.S. I remain disgusted with this government’s performance and currently intend to spoil my ballot-paper in May. News of what’s in Johnson’s resignation honours list hasn’t improved my mood.
March 6, 2023
@Sea Warrior +1 – your PS. Nepotism at its highest, Boris Johnson’s brother hated the UK and needed it to be EU Controlled ā gets made a Lord presumable to agitate any aspirations of Brexit. Now his Father who threatened to move abroad (but dishonestly failed to follow through) if we came out of the EU – gets proposed for an honour.
The Honours system has been trashed beyond purpose and recognition.
March 6, 2023
Sea-warrior well if it is international law. France fails to follow it and Belgium fails to follow it for a start.
The migrants living in the hastily-arranged tents come from Sub-Saharan Africa, Eritrea, Syria, Palestinian territories and Afghanistan. Despite temperatures dipping below zero, dozens of people sleep in flimsy tents in a row hundreds of metres long beside a canal in Brussels as a growing asylum crisis takes hold.3 days ago barrons.com. Not my dream’: Migrants in Brussels forced to sleep in tentshttps://www.france24.com āŗ France 24 āŗ Live news – Despite temperatures dipping below zero, dozens of people sleep in flimsy tents in a row hundreds of metres long beside a canal in Brussels …
Then in France the UN wasn’t happy they put people in unused offices with minimum toilet facilities and in tents remember the Calais camps. Where were all their do-gooders.
March 6, 2023
Sea warrior, that’s a good point. If they get here, do nothing with them except prevent them working. Lock them up if they start begging. They’ll eventually take a dinghy back to France.
March 6, 2023
The other part to this would be to block illegal migrants accessing legal aid. This enables the human rights lawyers to get rich at taxpayers cost. Only allow charities to fund these cases.
Plus our civil service levels of staffing need to be reviewed. For competence, integrity & productivity levels. Which appears to be sorely lacking these days.
March 6, 2023
Totally correct, + 1
March 6, 2023
Try getting legal aid for civil suits, not a chance, you’re a 46% English taxpayer and a fool for voting the legacy unit party.
March 6, 2023
My Mum needed an emergency out of hours Dr one night. They eventually arrived looked in her mouth as she had aching gums and pains down her side, he prescribed painkillers . Didnt even check her BP. Left the house 8 mins later she collapsed. Called the ambulance when they arrived she had died. A Massive Heart attack. I tried to get Mum justice as we were so angry at her treatment. Went through everything with her GP and had a meeting with the DR on call who was adamant he checked her BP and it was normal?? I then went to see a solicitor. As we both worked we could not get Legal Aid. He advised that it would cost at least 25k which we didnt have. Yet they arrive here to a Legal Aid open cheque book. How the hell can that be right?
March 6, 2023
Working from home and covid (where people claimed to be working throughout) really seemed to cut down on cases dealt with, instead of using the three-month initial covid period to catch up on the backlog from previous years. For the first time in a while they probably knew where people were.
March 6, 2023
I now believe only what the goverment and its aspirants do, not what they say.
March 6, 2023
Why would this law not cover those who enter the country illegally in the backs of lorries or at small airstrips in light aircraft? And we shouldn’t forget the far larger numbers that the Government bring in legally.
March 6, 2023
beresford, the government is only concerned about the seaborne invasion because that is the only one they believe is causing them embarrassment and likely to adversely affect their electoral prospects.
March 6, 2023
Why not deny legal aid to all those who arrive in the UK by illegal means. That might blunt the predatory lawyers enthusiasm. Write into any new law a clause to the effect that anyone arriving illegally only qualifiies for immediate deportation. I would also suggest that we ramp up the deportation of all those who are already here, some two million at a conservative guess. London is the place to look for them as half the population of London was not born in the UK.
March 6, 2023
Would legal aid be in the international agreement? However, you don’t have to pay top Ā£ for it. It should be capped, and a limit on it for each letter, day in court etc. What do other countries do? It has become a profitable gravy train.
The irony for British people “The Legal Aid Agency will only grant legal aid to people who meet the financial eligibility criteria. Legal aid can help you pay for some or all of your legal costs. You may be able to get legal aid if you’re on a low income and your problem is serious.” law society, public law project. “Since the law changed in 2013 it has become harder to get legal aid, but some people still can.”
Everything in this Country is upside down.
March 6, 2023
No legal aid = no lawyers
March 6, 2023
Everyone knows this government is useless and led by an empty suit. The General Election can’t come soon enough.
Yes we’ll get Starmer, but the stables of the Tory party need a good clean.
Happily I see some Associations have made a start but they’ll be stopped shortly.
Demolition and re-building is required; “build back better”…š¤£š¤£
March 6, 2023
One thing is for sure. Rishi won’t serve on the opposition benches, he’ll high-tail it back to his mansion in America having achieved ‘PM’ on his CV. Worth millions more for his bank account.
March 6, 2023
Handling Covid/immigration/taxes
Three intertwined reasons why your party will suffer hereon in.
March 6, 2023
The only way to stop the illegal boat traffic is to block it at sea.
We have tens of unused fishing boats, outfit them and man with volunteers and then direct them to the path of any illegal dingy.
Our boats should just stand in their way, stop the illegals crossing the median line, no force, just direct them back.
March 6, 2023
In the light of all this it is very interesting to see what our govt. is being told to do by WHO re Pandemic Preparedness Treaty. Vaccine passports have reared their ugly heads again.
Plus just about every restriction anyone could imagine.
We will be signed up to absolute tyranny and the boats will still come!
March 6, 2023
A Petition to Parliament 614335 ( now closed ) ‘Do not sign any WHO Pandemic Treaty unless it is approved via public referendum’ signed by 156.086 people – waiting 294 days for debate. The UKG’s response is clear with its first lines of response – “To protect lives, the economy & future generations from future pandemics the UKG supports a new legally binding instrument to strengthen pandemic prevention, preparedness & response”…….. “Covid19 has demonstrated that no-one is safe until we are all safe …….” Done deal.
March 6, 2023
Yes, Cuibono, I reckon something nasty is coming down the line. That is why we’re being directed in the media to look backward at Matt Hancock the fall guy and Boris Johnson the partygate villain. We need to remember the saying that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and keep our eyes open for what the UN/WHO want to impose on us next. Both are attacking our sovereignty, the UNHCR by attacking our borders and the WHO by trying to remove our right to take our own public health policy decisions. Never mind yesterday’s men Hancock and Johnson, we should focus on what Sunak actually does to defend our sovereignty on these two fronts.
March 7, 2023
When someone is guilty of organising a party during lockdown, it is usually the party thrower that is in the most trouble with the biggest fine. Who organised buying these drinks and snacks, did Boris instruct them, I doubt it.
It looks more and more to me like Boris was set up from within by the civil servants in this department, taking sneaky photos of the meetings and buying in booze during work time. No one seems to ask who are the redacted faces in that room. Who is the workplace Manager who didn’t keep people to 2m distance?
March 6, 2023
If entering the UK illegally is illegal therefore Criminal, but has no downside, or punishment then they will keep coming. After all it is the Government working in conjunction and cahoots with criminal gangs engaged in people trafficking.
Yet cycling on a pedestrian footpath putting pedestrians in jeopardy leads to jail of pedestrians when things go horrible and tragically wrong. The Pedestrians have no real alternative and the cyclist has every random option they want.
The double standards and hypocrisy of this Conservative Government.
March 6, 2023
How did we treat POW’s in WW2 – they were housed in camps far away from urban life. Some worked in forestry and agriculture mining etc. The same regime could be applied now especially to single able bodied men including the option of going into fishing. Some who have experience could be passed to work in the hospitality sector and so on. The key here is that they are housed in places far away from their preferred location for living just so that they cannot add to the ghettos already in some towns. Of course if they don’t like that then there should alway’s be an option for them for repatriation to their home countries. The important thing is to break the ‘pull factor’ for others planning to come.
March 7, 2023
Apparently, we have farms with accommodation where thousands of EU workers used to come to work and now even though there are work permits they can’t and won’t come so these immigrants need to earn their own keep.
Our councils can’t afford to clean paths of leaves and road debris, dirt all over the pavements, pavements cut down to half the size with soil erosion, roadside verges full of litter, old ladies and gents picking them up on weekends, where are the community service workers I never see any in my town and its full of rubbish like this especially up near the McDonalds!
March 6, 2023
So Sunakās idea is to give these illegal immigrants an amnesty, so freeing up the hotel rooms for new arrivals.
This will result in them bringing their entire family into the UK, raising our population still further.
Your party is a JOKE. This country is a joke.
March 6, 2023
Yeah, a joke that is about as funny as current ‘comedians’.
March 6, 2023
I am constantly amazed at how powerless an MP of a party in power can actually be.
The left of your party has taken over and won’t allow the other side to do anything – even ejecting them from power with coup after coup.
And when the membership/associations replace Johnson with Truss, they arrange a coronation.
When the associationos wish to vote out an MP who they believe has not lived up to their promises… they create voting arrangements that ensure that she is reselected.
I’m afraid your party is beyond repair. The decent people on the right accept assurances and promises from the less principled on the left. Promises that they never keep. Gradually, the right are replaced with lefties who say whatever they need to say to infiltrate, then do whatever they want (which is what’s best for them, not the country).
If they cannot even be replaced by their associations who theoretically elect them… what hope is there?
This is not about the single issue of boats – that is just another example of poliicians who do not do what they say they will do.
You need to pull them down, play their game – get the right in power before it’s too late (which it may be already). Then remove the whip from the lefties (all of them) in a mass culling just before the next GE. As Johnson did on a small scale before 2019. Only then will people believe that you really mean business.
March 6, 2023
If a UK citizen travels abroad and transgresses local Laws, the local UK representative steps in to make sure the right representation is afforded to them. The costs involved in this are them recovered by HMG on the citizens return, it is not a UK taxpayer liability. If people enter the UK illegally, the UK Government enforces the UK Taxpayer to pay for all legal representations ā their home Country gets a free pass.
Double standards by the UK Government
March 6, 2023
The law might change but the situation won’t, and can’t, for a year or more. So what to do to actually make a difference?
March 6, 2023
Leave the ECHRs for a start
March 6, 2023
The ideal of a Democracy is that it is the People/Citizens of that Country get to make, amend and repeal through their Elected Representatives all Laws, Rules and Regulations that pertain to life in the Country.
In the UK we do not appear to have MPās, a Parliament, and Government fit for purpose. Between them they are unable to carry out their Democratic Duties. So much so Laws made by unrepresented unelected institutions, that cannot be challenge amended or repealed get to override the UK as a Democracy. ECHR has no Democratic over-site yet because we have a weak incapable someone else’s puppet Parliament their dictates over-ride what in the UK passes as a Democracy.
Every argument for NOT getting rid of the ECHR to date, is based on the seeming fact our MPās are NOT fit for purpose, meaning UK Democracy is not fit for purpose and of course we all know this so-called UK Conservative Government is so far removed from reality it will never be fit for purpose.
March 6, 2023
The problem we have is in the laws and undertakings Parliament has already passed with the Refugee Convention ECHR and Human Rights Act, wasting time passing more laws will not sort out this underlying problem. It is long past the time when our politicians realised the Refugee Convention is unworkable , and combined with the ECHR and HRA is poison to our national interest.
As May signed up to the Migration Compact without so much as a ‘by your leave’ or a vote in Parliament , then the Refugee Convention can be unsigned by the Executive tomorrow, and if that is too much for our spineless political classes to do, I understand there is a clause in the Convention which allows states to set it aside. Getting shot of the ECHR was a Conservative promise at some point, if that can’t be done for the UK , why not just getting shot of it for England? After all we have different legal systems, like between England and Scotland, migrants would have to paddle a long way to Scotland avail themselves of those rights. Finally , limiting the scope of the Human Rights Act would be a lot quicker than creating new laws , which we all know won’t work.
As for repatriations , we are sold the lie that many of countries are engaged in total war, most aren’t, there are safe areas within them , just like we had a sectarian ‘war’ going on in Northern Ireland , it didn’t mean the good folk of Woking could claim asylum somewhere else because of it , same with Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia etc , the countries that are in a mess will probably mean we are funding refugee camps in the area, so send them there.
March 6, 2023
This cannot be stopped without the French agreeing to take all migrants back. That is unlikely to happen so departing arrivals to Rwanda is the only alternative.
Why can’t the government not pass legislation that cannot be challenged in the courts ?
March 6, 2023
Chris
Send them back to a refugee camp like Lebanon, it’s for refugees, we already pay for its up keep and they can fill in the paperwork there, whilst they are safe, no need to trouble the French
March 6, 2023
A metaphor for your administration. From the time of Boris, B.S over outcomes. Oversold, under delivered. From levelling up, to illegal migration, to getting Brexit done to, taking back control, energy security, Indeed I can confidently say we have been āliedā to.
The lack of legislation in Parliament sums it up.
You neither have the political courage or strength to face down the centre of your own party, committed to the EU, more concerned with how we look to other countries rather than looking after their own, let alone Labour or the liberal elites.
So frankly I donāt believe you and looking at the poles, neither do millions of other people.
March 6, 2023
Yes, but won’t those 2 treaties signed by May, to give special privileges to immigrants, illegal or otherwise, simply get in the way of such legislation.
Even if that works, lawyers will still use the European Court of Justice to thwart these aims. Without doubt, the only way out of this mess is cast iron legislation and our exit from the ECJ.
March 6, 2023
Off topic. I see Biden is expected to approve a new oil field in Alaska so that they don’t have to pay countries like Saudi to provide the oil and gas they need to function as a healthy economy. Contrast that with our numpties who are hell bent on stopping anything that could boost our economy and make lives better for all. Honestly John, how do you work daily with such idiots?
March 6, 2023
All we will get from this gutless government is another “Windsor” moment that its a deal on the face of it and in the small print on the back an exclusion list covering every man and his dog. That makes it not worth the paper it’s written on.
No excuses , no exclusions No means No. If you are in a dingy, back of a lorry, in a container when you are caught you ain’t staying No exceptions.
Smugglers when caught forfeit all their estate and belongings. No quarter under any circumstances.
March 6, 2023
In the DT its being reported that the POTUS Biden is seriously considering passing a new oil field development in Alaska.
A President putting his country and its people first. Amazing..As sure as God makes little apples it sure as hell won’t happen over here.
March 6, 2023
Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002, 41, Part A,
Section 80B Asylum claims by persons with connection to safe third State,
Sub-Section (1) The Secretary of State may declare an asylum claim made by a person (a āclaimantā) who has a connection to a safe third State inadmissible
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/41/section/80B
The law is already there, why do we need a new law ā¦.just repeal the ECHRs and get on with it, no excuses the law already exists
Any introduction of a ānewā law is smoke & mirrors the laws are already in place, doesnāt our government, MPs or civil servants read the laws that they produce
March 6, 2023
You don’t need fancy plans making up. Just put the money and resources into training people to assess claims and sending ineligible people straight back home when they fail instead of leaving them here for seven years. Then stop benefits to people who succeed their asylum claim and allow them to work to earn their own way as we all have to.
All this wasting time with what we are told are illegal plans, just apply the law faster, put people on planes under arrest if necessary.
March 6, 2023
We have been a “soft soap” country towards immigrants for as long as I can remember . Coming to a country that provides so many free benefits and our way of life are the main ingredients to them ; the countries that they pass through do not attract them and they do not make any subsequent contribution to our society . We must get really tough now to stop this mess and the proposed action to deport the “small boat” arrivals immediately is the right response .France , Belgium and Holland have done relatively little in helping to control this mess so acting now in the manner proposed is the only way forward .
March 7, 2023
Bert, it wouldn’t do the left to slow down the benefits train; they’ve got too many Brits hooked on to them thanks to Browns, Working tax credits, child tax credits, a full-time wage for just 16 hours per week, all now renamed Universal credit. That’s what they moan about when they’re told to do more hours; it doesn’t pay because they get as much in benefits for 16 hours as someone on minimum wage for 35 hours!
March 6, 2023
use the same emergency powers which overrode normal human rights laws during the pandemic, and apply them to the migrant crisis.
then we need to withdraw from the European human rights laws, as they give too many rights to an individual immigrant which is not balanced with the right of the existing population to live in peace and not be swamped.
March 6, 2023
Of course the entire migrant problem was caused by the “West’s” ie US interference in the Middle East which was supported by the UK government but not its people…
March 6, 2023
How much work is being done on the supply side?
Intercepting them at source would stope the problem in the first place – spot checks on such consignments would show that loads with large dinghies with small outboards should raise a flag. I cant think of a single customer who would buy a large Inflatable boat with a soft floor and small outboard. Boats of that size will have rigid floors, large outboards, seating and consoles – very easy to spot and very expensive to buy!
What about the actions of organisations like care4calais which Lee Anderson was filming and talking about recently?
Appreciate there is the hurdle of dealing with French authorities but surely this would be in their interests as well.
March 6, 2023
It is time to get a grip on this small boats problem, which is causing loss of human life and subjecting us to unaffordable costs.
March 6, 2023
The country can only be saved by replacing the First Past the Post electoral system with one that gives every vote equal weight in an election. With the existing system it is too easy for English-haters with financial resources to
take over the main political parties through their funding and control of the selection process and thereby confront the English people with a choice of traitors, time-servers and cynical opportunists as we have now. A properly reformed electoral system would de-fang the power brokers because it would be far easier to get new parties off the ground. The alternative is that we finish up like Yugoslavia.
March 6, 2023
As you blocked my comment this morning Sir JR. I’ll try again.
The latest gov. plan is doomed to fail like all others before it. The vast majority of those crossing the English channel are bogus.
There is an army of people here who put the bogus immigrants above the legal population. They will beat you again.
March 6, 2023
Completely off topic, browsing around in my files this morning I happened upon this:
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth-annual
and it is interesting to click on “MAX”, and then on “Chart”, and then choose “Trend”.
That will bring uo a graph of UK annual growth rate back to 1960, with the long term trend line superimposed.
The trend growth rate has sloped down slightly over the past six decades, but the most noticeable features are that the normal swings on either side of the trend line have gradually dampened, with the 2008 euro crisis as an exception, and that contrary to the warning of George Osborne and David Cameron that just voting to leave the EU could knock 6% off GDP it actually had no obvious effect, and that after the massive abnormal setback of the pandemic we have dipped just a little below the trend line and there is as yet no evidence that leaving the EU has wreaked terrible damage on the economy as some people would like the rest of us to believe.
March 6, 2023
In our society there sadly is no such thing as a lawyer-proof law (they can and do bend anything to accord with their prejudices)! Rather lawyers who are not elected should not be allowed to override the policies of elected politicians. Either judges must be periodically democratically elected or Parliament itself must become the Supreme Court. In this I disagree with what I believe to be a mistaken consensus and I support the Polish Law and Justice Party and the Israeli government in wishing to downgrade an unelected judiciary.
March 6, 2023
Scrap the PM resignation honours list
March 7, 2023
The PM should only have a resignation honours list if they serve four years or more.
March 6, 2023
The people coming over in boats in all likelihood will not have an inkling of any such law.All they will hear is state handouts and a safer environment.
March 6, 2023
The small boats, which are going to get larger and larger, will not be stopped unless a government either treats them as an invasion or serious disorder breaks out in the country, quite possibly between immigrant communities as we have already witnessed.
March 6, 2023
I found this, from Marcus Fysh, the most interesting question this afternoon, following the Urgent Question by Sir Robert Buckland on Civil Service Impartiality. I should like to have heard the end of it and can’t help noticing that it was Sir Robert Buckland, not a Brexiteer, who was chosen by the Speaker to have the most time to speak.
From Hansard:
Mr Marcus Fysh
(Yeovil) (Con)
The House and the country should know that on 7 September 2019 I witnessed Sue Gray, then permanent secretary at the Department of Finance in Northern Ireland, discuss with a special adviser to the UK Cabinet Office how to exclude solutions other than high alignment with EU law and regulation from consideration by the Government in respect of Northern Ireland and the withdrawal agreement. A month later, the Government proposed the Northern Ireland protocol, which subjected Northern Ireland to EU law and regulation. Since then, Sue Gray has been the civil servant specifically responsible for advising on Union considerations in Government. It was reported this week that Sue Gray was present at the briefing of Cabinet Ministers on the Prime Ministerās Windsor framework, which, among other things, appears to confirm and embed the application of EU law and regulation in Northern Irelandā
Mr Speaker
Order.
Mr Fysh
Does theā
Mr Speaker
No, sit down.
Mr Fysh roseā
Mr Speaker
Do you want to go out? No, right. I pulled up a Member on the other side about this, because once you go on and on there must be a question. I hope there is a question now.
Mr Fysh
Absolutely right.
Mr Speaker
Sorry, sit down. You donāt judge me. You just lost it completely.
March 6, 2023
I wish Mr Speaker were as stringent about asking & answering questions at PMQs
March 7, 2023
How did he lose it completely? Did he pull a face at the speaker or something?
Why was he not allowed to end his statement with his question?
March 9, 2023
He only agreed humbly and politely with what the Speaker had just said. From the way the Speaker contrived on the back of that innocent courtesy to shut down the question, one can only conclude he didn’t want us to hear it or for it to be answered by the Minister.
March 6, 2023
Has the government any plans to start a new hotel building program?
March 6, 2023
With respect Sir John I don’t believe the ruling Liberal elite will permit the law to be changed.
However changing the law is not likely to have any impact on an already criminal activity.
One excuse given for illegal entry is that the legal system is not processing claims for asylum quick enough ,but if you turn up at an airport of seaport you are not turn away and put back on the plane or boat and sent back from where you came. Maybe to enter this way you need a passport of some kind. But we know that those arriving via the small boats throw their id and phones into the channel so they can’t be identified. Why do this if you are seeking asylum?
The law of the sea obliges shipping to go to the aid of the small boats as they are not much more than lifeboats and in obvious danger. Likewise if spotted from the coast of France the the French rescue services should go out and rescue them and bring them back to the French coast. I am sure the English Channel is not British waters up the the beach’s of France š The truth is the French are happy to see them go away. Can they be blamed for this attitude? It is a problem for the French too. Then there is the question of why are the people in the small boats coming? They are under no threat to life in France. They are safe there. To the ordinary UK citizen it is hard to see how they can be classed as asylum seekers. Perhaps refuges is more fitting. But when you see who is actually arriving in the small boats they do not look like the classic picture of refuges – a mixture of all ages male and female ( If I my still use that simple distinction). They are all young men. Even the BBC can’t show us pictures of woman, young children and Old people arriving in the small boats. There are a few tragic exceptions but the vast majority are fit young men. The French can’t have starved them. So why do they risk the small boat crossing ?
Perhaps the French do not put them up in hotels, give them pocket money and feed them so well. And treat them better than their own citizens. I had better not mention free medical treatment, maybe free education, and no waiting time to see a Doctor.
So even if the French don’t “rescue” them in their own waters, And we “rescue” them in our waters and bring them ashore should they not still face the same conditions as in France ? Also they should be finger printed and provided with an id card. After all we can agree they have committed a crime by illegally entering the country. Unless they commit a further crime the question of deportation is a bit morally problematic. We should build more reception centres for Young Men and they should be asked to work and get paid. After all they are looking for a better life by coming here and working will achieve their aim, if it is an honest one.
This approach is more likely to deter the crossing in small boats, rather than changing laws or the cost of deportation of vast numbers of people. If they get here they should be housed in camps not quite to the standard of Butlins and they should have to do 8 hours paid work a day. If they commit further crimes they go to prison or deported as appropriate. But If you can’t deport a criminal who is not British then there is no justification for not amending the law. By criminal I mean serious crime.
March 7, 2023
Is shoplifting a serious crime to you, John M?
It is to the struggling shopkeeper.
March 7, 2023
It is all part of the Globalist WEF UK Establishment government plan and nothing will change until the the WHOLE of the existing governmental system is scrapped, the swamp drained and a new system of government is implemented.
Remember Nothing can stop what is coming, NOTHING.
March 7, 2023
Sir Redwood, if we do nothing we can expect another 80,000 illegal migrants to cross from France this year, and even larger number in the following years.
This influx costing many billions and adding large number of criminals to our streets, must be reversed.
March 7, 2023
The illegal immigrants are only doing what we did to other countries all over the world in the 19th century – we also arrived to their countries in small boats and swarmed ashore – am I right
March 7, 2023
Recent legal net immigration figures are also far too high, as the salary bar is set too low, Ā£25,600 per year.
All down to tory mismanagement, becoming symptomatic of the many areas touched on since Brexit and demonstrably fessed up.
March 7, 2023
Woke Government