Today and tomorrow the Commons will take the Committee stage of the illegal migration bill. There are various amendments tabled to seek to make the decisions about the future of illegal migrants proof against excessive delays and legal appeals. Whilst it is important that anyone claiming asylum should have a fair hearing and a right to an appeal if necessary, it is wrong to allow so many legal interventions that people arriving illegally get to stay here for years whilst endless legal processes are explored against the original decision, at the taxpayers expense. It is also important not to effectively give illegal migrants some priority or ability to get round the rules and to stay here regardless of where they came from when there are safe routes for legal entry from countries where they are at risk.
The government is promising to look at the suggested amendments with a view to strengthening its Bill. It is important it does so, as people will expect these legal changes to be sufficient so the government can deliver its promise to stop the boats.
March 27, 2023
Good morning.
The Bill is nothing but a sham. Illegals can get around the rules by claiming they are either homosexual or minors. There is also to be a procedure in which illegals can effectively be given an amenity simply by filling in a form and getting an Indefinite Leave to Remain.
We have signed an agreement with Albania to take yet more immigrants. This is due to the fact that most of those trying to enter the country illegally are Albanians who, coincidentally, make up the largest single ethnic group in our prisons. The government seem to think that, by giving more visas to Albania this will stop the illegals (I refuse to use the term migrants or boat people). The reason for this is simple. Those who do not want their identity known will not use traditional routes.
So more people sucking at the teat of the NHS and other services.
But don’t worry everyone, Jeremy Hunt MP and Rushi Sunak MP (neither deserve the title of their positions as they are usurpers) have a plan. They intend to spend ÂŁ20bn on Carbon Capture because that is what is REALLY important right now.
What a farce !
March 27, 2023
I see according to the Home Office projections you expect 85,000 gimmigrants over in boats this year. That’s really getting a grip on the situation
Hasn’t the government seen what is happening in France, Holland Sweden and Finland. The population are taking control.
March 27, 2023
@Ian Wragg; “the Home Office projections you expect 85,000 gimmigrants over in boats this year”
Unless the UK invades France and occupies the beach heads how else do you suggest the UK stops people setting out from France if the French are unwilling to tackle the problem? Yes we could ignore UN laws of the sea but UNexit, really?!
“Hasnât the government seen what is happening in France, Holland Sweden and Finland. The population are taking control.”
Indeed, reminds me a little of 1968. Not sure what you point is though, like then it’s the left who are protesting.
March 27, 2023
Agreed. They will do nothing. Simply because they want the current state of affairs.
March 27, 2023
Javelin,
Exactly. A âcan doâ approach is never taken.
We get a litany of excuses. Or government throws money at schemes they know are going to fail so as to appear to be doing something.
My previous post on legal shenanigans versus voter expectations got deleted.
Smaller European countries have effectively addressed the issue, but years later our situation just gets worse.
March 27, 2023
You didn’t think Sunak is actually going to stop the invasion did you?
All he’s going to do is change their status from criminal migrant to legal migrant.
March 27, 2023
Correct Sunak and Hunt are dire global socialists.
No one who pushes net zero, increases taxes to the current absurd levels, does not investigate vaccine harms properly, pushes Andrew Bridgen out of the party, fails to deal with illegal open door immigration or passes the Windsor Framework⊠is worthy of any respect at all.
March 27, 2023
There is also a plan to transfer the levies on electricity to gas, thus making gas even more expensive. This is the big brother incentive to replace gas boilers with heat pumps.
Unlucky if you live in a flat or terraced house!
March 27, 2023
@Mark B +1
Always was. It was always illegal to enter the UK via these small boats. It was always illegal to enter the UK without papers. As in, it is a criminal act, therefore made you a criminal at the outset
So the Bill â is just another delaying tactic of a failing Government, that desires the hype, the headline and can kick their own personal and payed obligation to âmanageâ the UK into the long grass.
Next we will get a review of the Bill, and so on.
March 27, 2023
Mark, are they really from Albania? Or are they in fact criminals from the failed state of Kosovo? (Blair again.)
March 27, 2023
Indeed. How many Albanian illegals have your Government deported this week? Silence. In talks with Albanian officials to take more. Open border Torys need to go. Take the unelected Snake and Hunt and the Windsor agreement with them . We can’t afford the Consocialists!
March 27, 2023
You call them illegals.
I call them aliens, from alien countries, cultures and ways of life quite distinct from what was once our proud British culture. Some might assimilate themselves but far too many will not and we continue to pay through the nose to encourage and keep them in comfort when they do arrive.
Those whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad…..
March 27, 2023
Agree â the starting point is identifying the current barriers that stop us returning illegal immigrants to either France or their home country âŠ.then remove those barriers, WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN
March 27, 2023
+1
March 27, 2023
Agree Mark. This stupid plan won’t work and so as well as the illegals coming in we will have to fund and make room for an extra 20000 that Rishi is giving safe entry to. The criminals will still come and the criminal gangs will still operate turning the UK into a cess pit of crime.
March 27, 2023
They may stop the boats with great fanfare, but I don’t trust our MPs or government to stop the influx.
This is an email sent by Care4Calais to its mailing list over the weekend, urging people to write to MPs:
“We don’t normally write to you at the weekend. But this is too important to wait. On Monday MPs will vote on the draconian Illegal Migration Bill that will devastate the lives of thousands of people. And this is our only chance to make a stand.
Weâve launched an amendment which will allow refugees with viable asylum claims to access visas for safe travel to the UK. Safe passage is a more effective way of achieving the Governmentâs objectives than brutal deterrence…”
Note they say with “viable” claims (a lawyers’ paradise!) and “achieving the government’s objectives). I bet this appeals to many of our rulers…keep the inflow of migrants via anonymous taxpayer-funded air travel, but look tough because small boats aren’t crossing the channel. The “optics” are so much better. They take us for fools, so I wouldn’t bet against this sort of stitch-up.
March 27, 2023
Is Care for Calais funded by legal aid lawyers and the businesses that arrange hotel accommodation for the government and others on this gravy train? How may tens or hundred of millions do they think should come to the UK living of other tax payers, using the NHS, schools, police, roads, demanding homes…
Follow the money is is surely just the same for the mad net zero lunacy of expensive subsidised, intermittent energy agenda.
March 27, 2023
You couldn’t make it up ….we’re the world leader in benefits for illegal immigrants
March 28, 2023
Care4Calais, registered charity 1169048
Financial statements every year from 30/09/2017 to 30/09/2021
register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk
No money whatsoever from Government contracts or Government grants.
In 2021 ÂŁ1.58 m from donations & legacies, ÂŁ32,750 from trading (ie T-shirts & similar), ÂŁ321 from investment.
So business or legal aid lawyers are not contributing.
In your activity (or previous activity if you are retired), do(did) you ever check information before reacting? Or are you really as dumb as I think you are?
March 27, 2023
@Wanderer
Care4Calais is a UK registered charity it recieves taxpayer money (wether the taxpayer likes it or not), so has to keep shouting out to make people believe they are doing something so as to fund their staff.
Personaly I believe any charity that persues a political voice sould not have the taxpayer forced into funding them – they get their direct sponsors and thats it. Taxpayers should never be forced into payments without having a full democratic voice into the activity.
March 27, 2023
IanB, I absolutely agree. Why the heck should we pay them? If they canât survive on donations…
March 27, 2023
+100
March 27, 2023
Are you serious? A charity has to register to be able to handle donation money from individuals
http://www.gov.uk 05/01/2011 âCharities: holding, moving and receiving funds safelyâ.
The only thing that applies to all charities that could be taken as a âsubsidyâ from the state is via the âtax relief when you donate to charityâ (www.gov.uk) and gift aid.
Gift Aid allows charities can claim 25% on most donations.
http://www.gov.uk âClaiming Gift Aid as a charity or CASCâ (community amateur sports club).
If you donât know these very basic things, how can you comment on such a topic when the only thing you do is displaying your crass ignorance?
March 28, 2023
@hefer – ‘Gift Aid allows charities can claim 25% on most donations’, along with their mostly tax free status – from whom do they get the money? Oh, you mean your usual magic money tree once again, you know the one you always come up with that isnât the âTaxpayerâ. When any entity is not paying tax on an equal basis to the rest of the community, it does mean someone else has to pick up the slack. Sarcasm maybe, but not your alternative.
March 27, 2023
Ian B
Brilliant entry. Charity or not they are aiding people to break the law to the detriment of the taxpayers who fund them. No tax breaks, no subsidies.
March 27, 2023
I second that Ian.
March 27, 2023
I agree. I resent having to pay for so called âcharitiesâ. They often have very highly paid Managers,
If the public want them, let them fund them.
March 27, 2023
Indeed. We’ve reached the point where elected and Unelected (Snake/Hunt) politicians no longer represent the people. All important issues like mass migration, illegal immigration, the Windsor Agreement, the EU sell out deal, foreign aid when they’ve allowed the world and his wife and family, including students with dependents ffs, Hs2, etc should all go to referendums. We can no longer trust the Worminster crowd to look after the interests of the British people. For far to long they just lie and look after everything minority or those who have just chipped up to go to the front of the queue at the expense of the 46%. Woke everything and of course the bogey gas CO2 and net stupid. Enough already, just go and let us elect a patriotic Party. Reform. How many illegals has your party deported today Sir John? ………………none, zilch, nada. A clue is that a flight is cheaper than 4* Hotels/pocket money, food, energy bills, clothes, health and dental care, mobile phones. Sacking many of the incompetence’s at the Home Office MAY act as an incentive for the rest to keep their jobs and not work from home granting permits to anyone.
March 27, 2023
It is incumbent on those in office to do their duty to the people of this country, who should in all events be first in line when it comes to talking about ‘rights’.
It is also long overdue that those in office take their responsibilities towards the people of this country and look at all the ‘pull factors’ that have been the main reason behind so many wanting to come here.
Not everything is about money either.
March 27, 2023
Michelle
What a great opener for today’s proceedings. Responsibility must be enforced by accountability.
March 27, 2023
So now Sunak is on about new laws for Nitrous Oxide users, the homeless and beggars to try to distract from his economic, energy, lockdowns, net harm vaccines and the Tory other gross mismanagement. Yet more crimes for our police to add to the list of âignore and not enforceâ crimes like burglary, muggings, shop lifting, other drug offencesâŠ
March 27, 2023
Apart from the medical profession, its currently illegal to buy or sell Nitrous Oxide âŠthe currents laws canât be enforced because all our police are working from home or office on gender related criminal activity
March 27, 2023
It’s purely a distraction like a magician, look at my left hand whilst I do naff all about the important stuff. A few teenagers puffing laughing gas or deporting foreign criminals. What’s their priority? Count your fingers after you shake hands with Hunt or the Snake.
March 27, 2023
@Michelle +1
You get to slide past your legal and moral obligations that you are paid for just as this Conservative Government does by refusing to ‘manage’, pontification, sound-bites, reviews and just talk. It would appear in their mind be it the economy, resilience and infrastructure and so on of the UK they need to trash it before these main protagonist that have created this situation, move on to there next already sorted high paid positions. Job done UK trashed!
March 27, 2023
The next Labour government will simply start the importation again. Such cultural enrichment strengthens Labour’s core vote.
Maybe the Tory party should explain to the country Labour’s REAL MOTIVES behind their love for all things ‘multi’. We all know it comes back to ideology and politics and not any real concern for human beings
Labour are pure filth, the Tories merely careless grifters bar a few hardy souls who understand this nation is not what it was once
March 27, 2023
DOM
As with all the real problems facing this country it is down to the lack of ability of the vast majority of our politicians.
The Telegraph reports that our Rishi is accepting another 20k immigrants and is going to get tough over rough sleeping. Our energy bills will remain high and heat pumps will be enforced all because of Net Zero.
March 27, 2023
When Angela Rayner said that last sentence about the Tooories, she was given a sharp rebuke. Shame: the rest of the comment was useful.
March 27, 2023
ULEZ Is a ‘Poisoned Pill’ created by Mayor Khan’s predecessor. It is going to affect ONLY those that cannot :
1. afford a ULEZ compliant vehicle.
2. afford to pay the tax.
3. have suitable alternative transport services.
These include those on low incomes who, generally, tend to be of ethnic persuasion, live in the ULEZ Zone and Labour voters.
Mayor Khan expects to be re-elected in May 2024. You do not win votes by taxing your own supporters.
March 27, 2023
Mark B
It will have some effect on everyone eventually all they have to do is recalculate/reset the emissions level and hey presto you capture everyone who owns an ICE car.
Money, money money, nothing to do with clean air, just pollute and pay.
I see Germany are pushing against the banning of ICE car sales, looks like the EU are bending, now Ok until 2035 then maybe ok with e fuel ÂĄ
Meanwhile we ban sales from 2030 and wreck an industry.
March 27, 2023
Why am I being charged (taxed) to travel throughout the UK, why am I having the pay extra tax just to travel from A to B âŠ.The imposition of robin-hood ULEZ and CAZ taxes on the poor is against the spirit of the Magna Carta and its being used by local politicians as a weapon to pursue their climate change aims
Donât anyone in your party fight for our freedoms anymore
March 27, 2023
Itâs taken so long for Parliament to wake up. I fear some are still asleep as they continue to regard these people as refugees instead of what the are, illegal economic migrants. It has long been known that the immoral self serving money grabbing lawyers have and will continue to make their fortunes on the back of illegality. They always have. This bill will never work so long as there is a single loop hole for them to exploit at the taxpayers expense. If the outdated and much abused ECHR has an input then bill will not be worth the paper it is written on. Our own judges are sufficient.
I was wondering if the 6 million a day for the hotel bills is much smaller that the legal aid paid to such unscrupulous lawyers, who should be regarded in the same way as the traffickers making as much money out of this as they can. That amount never seems to be mentioned.
March 27, 2023
BW
A thought,
All of this immigration lawyers should be taxed at 90%.
It is not stopping them working and returns the monies they make on all these lucrative cases back to the treasury.
March 27, 2023
uk.indeed.com 09/04/2024
âAverage salary for an Immigration lawyer is ÂŁ40,653/yearâ
So taxed at 90% they would live the full year on ÂŁ4,065.
March 27, 2023
09/03/2023!
March 27, 2023
Yes BW, we should be told the amount of legal aid spent on illegal arrivals.
March 27, 2023
+100
It is all about money ( possibly votes too) and the huge sums that go to those who have co-opted OUR tax payments to bring thousands of newcomers into our country. ( Are they persuaded and lied to as has happened before?).
Look into it. See the company ( maybe more than one?)that organises it all. See the names of those in charge, ÂŁbillions of turnover, ÂŁmillions of profit.
Risk free âcos they use our moneyâŠso as long as the boats keep a coming. No wonder they fight against halting them with such ferocity and the usual howls of âwaycistâ
These are the fruits of cowardice and of allowing oneself to be bulliedâŠby WORDS đ«Ł
It was all the same with covid. Money and bullying.
And in the light of what has recently been revealed by â Led by Donkeysâ it all falls into place.
March 27, 2023
It is odd isn’t it that, we never had such levels of illegal immigration before 1997 and 2010. The laws that we had, and still have, were more than enough yet, we have had to have more and more laws to try and tackle this. So what has changed for us to be where we are today ?
Well, for a start, you get people like Alexander Johnson’s predecessor rushing through agreements, codifying them into law, which protect so called ‘migrants’ (illegals to you and me). We also have the ECHR and the UN Convention on Refugees. None of these should be ensconced into English Law.
Parliament created this mess and, I for one do not trust them to sort it out.
March 27, 2023
Gaddafi was killed in October 2011.
March 27, 2023
Why are they getting legal aid? As a tax payer I can’t get it for civil law suits, why should these scroungers be entitled to anything?
March 27, 2023
If you do not stop the invaders coming then the government will be dead in the water.
The world has massively changed and countries like ours have got to recognise the fact and stop this belief as noble as it may sound of being everything and anything to everybody who is supposedly at risk. Giving them easy access to all our benefits and handouts. This is the reason why they travel through so many countries just to get here.
Parliament and the country in general has to man up and start looking after all those that are already here and are really struggling living in real poverty.
We have made a big rod for our own back by thinking cheap labour is the panacea to all our underlying problems.
March 27, 2023
No attempt to prevent these illegals from receiving benefits, legal aid, free healthcare or free hotel stay. Just another fail by the Downing Street usurpers and the Consocialist party, ably supported by the majority in parliament.
The degradation of living standards and services is all but guaranteed. There will still be the massive number of legal migrants. Was it half a million net, last year?
March 27, 2023
Allegedly a young left-wing lawyer took the Labour Party to court in 2003 to force the govt. to give illegals benefit.
Whoever could that have been?
March 27, 2023
Over a million with unlimited people from Ukraine, Hong Kong and Afghanistan. They just forgot to tell us that the 46% increase in our taxes to pay for their largesse. NHS back log 7 million rising to 8 million soon thanks to the Consocialists. Back of the queue for the English, front and centre for Boat people, after all they have Human Rights, we don’t.
March 27, 2023
Honestly the Conservatives must think weâre all stupid. Their latest trick is to try to use distraction.
Look at dingies – whilst 250,000 immigrants come in legally
Look at the anti social behaviour – whilst Albanian class A drug gangs take over.
Look at the benefits you can get on TV adverts whilst taxation reaches record levels.
March 27, 2023
Spot On Javelin ….its all smoke and mirrors
March 27, 2023
So sick of all this nonsense!
Of course people should not be turning up on our shores in little boats!!
And I donât believe it would be possible without help.
Let 5 MPs set sail for foreign shores from Tower Hill.
No documents. See how they get on.
March 27, 2023
Home Office officer: So what’s your justification for claiming asylum in the UK?
Criminal migrant: I’m age 17.
Home Office office officer: Anything else?
Criminal migrant: I’m gay.
Home Office officer: Is that it?
Criminal migrant: I’ve converted to Christianity
Home Office officer: BINGO….You’re in. How many family members do you need to ship over? And would you like us to pay for a ticket so you can go back home to collect them?
Criminal migrant:
March 27, 2023
Sad but true
Iâve also heard that children are being rotated around, as they canât be documented under ECHRs, the same child crosses the channel many times and the so called parents have an automotive right to stay âŠno one ever checks âŠhow many lost children in hotels
March 27, 2023
How quickly are Albanians being returned to that Saga holiday destination? The answer should be: within one day. I don’t want any time wasted on allowing them a legal hearing and an appeal. They are not British so should not be able to claim the rights of Britons.
How quickly are those arriving illegally on our shore-line and without documentation being DNA-tested to determine where they are likely to be from? The answer should be: within one day.
Why are ‘refugees’ who have given their wealth to criminals being pocket-monied, fed and housed, at my expense? The answer should be: they won’t be anymore.
March 27, 2023
Yes, the problem is that the government has a deliberate policy of allowing migrants both the time and the opportunity (eg. mobile phones) to contact lawyers and set in train an appeal. I want the very OPPOSITE policy: a deliberate REFUSAL to allow migrants ANY outside access. They need to be held in detention and isolation and then deported the very next day. The origin of the word “outlaw” was someone who was “outside the protection of the law”. That is what we need to say: illegal migrants have NO LEGAL RIGHTS. They came here illegally – why should they then have the right to access OUR legal system? It is for those here legally, not illegal invaders. They should be held and deported and have NO right to appeal against this.
March 28, 2023
Totally agree with this post. It saved me writing the same.
March 27, 2023
There is an urgency about the immigration crisis, forty eight thousand, a small town added to the controlled immigration, a large town. France talk cooperation but are pleased to see the back of them. As previously commented Labour will open the floodgates. With the best will in the world I cannot see the Rwanda plan succeeding.
March 27, 2023
Smoke and mirrors. Your lib/dim centrists are already insisting we take more legally. And even if some sort of tightening up is achieved, left leaning not fit for purpose Home Office will thwart them, let alone Supreme Court.
March 27, 2023
claiming asylum should have a fair hearing and a right to an appeal if necessary, it is wrong to allow so many legal interventions that people arriving illegally get to stay here for years
Well bloody well do something about it, your party got voted in with the biggest majority in 2019 to make our country ours to pass laws to make us safe , and you have blown it, the voter will get there chance again in just over a years time to put people into Parliament who speak for us and Iâm afraid a lot of your colleagues are going to pick up there P45âs, but there is a glimmer of hope in the illegal immigration bill, we all know weâre the opposition sit on this issue itâs up to your benches to get it passed and not watered down it would also help if we stopped pampering these illegal foreigners and stop letting them get to the tax payers funded legal aid system, Iâve been saying this for years stop this nonsense of giving the illegals 4 star accommodation, and put them up in shut down old prison blocks or put them back on the seas in disused cruise/ferry boats , how hard can it be just stop being soft on criminals itâs not rocket science
March 27, 2023
+1
March 27, 2023
I shall not be holding my breath!
March 27, 2023
50,000 a year mostly young men who will never be fully self supporting as most will be functionally illiterate and may have criminal records .
Dump asylum laws completely then it stops tomorrow. There are far too many failed states and not many non failed states for the 1945 laws to stay in place. Just declare a moratorium for 30 years and then review. Do the big think. World population is still rising. Charity and liberal interventions have failed in part thanks to media being swayed by malign foreign governments. Soppy lefties should be challenged and they never are. Dont “respect” the failed state cultures and religious fundamentalists of all kinds.
March 27, 2023
So why is it important that individuals who enter the country illegally have these ‘rights’ of hearings and appeals? In Russia you are simply taken to an airport and put in a plane back out.
March 27, 2023
Exactly, We have bleeding hearts in charge who believe every sob story and I have a bridge to sell them.
March 27, 2023
It’s time the government stated unequivocally that anyone claiming asylum in this country does so by invitation. It’s up to the UK to grant asylum as a gift, and not as an obligation.
There are charities in place to assist asylum applicants, well that’s good. Let them help the applicants to write a letter to the Home Office requesting asylum so it can be considered and granted before they embark on the journey to the UK.
The charities might also offer to act as guarantors to the asylum seeker as well, so their costs aren’t a burden on the State.
March 27, 2023
The name for it is HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
( and now to claim that = get an immediate free pass into the country).
It has been going on for centuries ( forever.. but mugs like me believed we lived in civilised times!)
Ask the Cornish and the Irish.
Ask the kids sold from English workhouses into factories and into foreign bondage.
And the money always finds its way into the big pockets.
March 27, 2023
Basically any person who has broken our borders is a criminal. Especially having destroyed their papers & come via a safe country. Therefore they should not be allowed representation by any human rights lawyer at tax payers expense. That alone would be a major deterrent plus reduce the number of lawyers on this lucrative gravy train!
March 27, 2023
Not just Russia but other Western countries too
March 27, 2023
The Government are sending emails out to landlords asking to sign 10 year contracts to house migrants.
This will push up the cost of renting for young British people. There is a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that British people are being replaced. It now appears to be official Government policy paid for by the tax payer.
March 27, 2023
Legal appeals are muddled in needlessly wasteful complications.
A single A4 sheet of key facts would be more efficient.
If a sensible decision on fairness is firm at the outset no appeal is necessary.
Creative paper chases generated to boost legal fees are appealing to bent solicitors.
March 27, 2023
See Donna comment above. I’m under 17, I’m gay and I want to be a Christian here, I’m persecuted at home. I have been arrested and interrogated about my Western values and beliefs in free speech. Ok, of course you can come in at the 46% expense. Have a free 4* Hotel, pocket money, food, clothing, free health care and dentistry, education. You’ll never be deported. We have plenty more plans to tax the English to pay for you whilst we pretend we’re going to stop it. Mind you, after 13 years we are starting to struggle with the public believing us on immigration and illegals anymore. We’re just glad that Labour are worse………or are they?
March 28, 2023
Donnaâs points are seen and noted Jerry.
Labour ARE worse.
Reform Party would be more efficient but lack enough reach to gain power.
Meanwhile, so-called Conservatives bumble along expecting unlimited tolerance of insecurity, incompetence and waste.
March 29, 2023
@Bloke (and @Donna); Sorry, when did it become illegal (again) to be Gay; or indeed a Christian; in France?
As for the cost of hotels, well perhaps had not so much of the UK public housing stock (both LA and MOD) been sold off the govt would not need to block book hotels, even for those born in the UK who through no fault of their own need to be re-housed. A few 40 year old chickens are coming home to roost.
As for Reform UK, indeed they will never gain power, but nor will the Conservatives retain power! Vote Reform get Starmer, or Starmer propped up by the LD and Greens, whatever Starmer assures us now, that will be one or more steps towards (effective) rejoining the EU. You lot need to stop being played for fools!
March 27, 2023
Sir John, you make a highly valid point via Twitter about the emptying of the hotels as the only certain proof that something effective is being done. Might we look forward one day to finding out which minister or civil servant signed off on the hotels and benefits package (as opposed to a policy of barracks style accommodation after DNA swabs, fingerprinting and tagging), why this individual believed that there was any obligation to put anything of the kind in place, and whether this individual is still in public office or a public role?
March 27, 2023
Nevertheless we should take some consolation from the bills our govt. DOES manage to get though!
Their praiseworthy continued interference in the C of E with their latest marriage legislationâŠ
Not to mention their brave amendment/addition to their flagship âwolf whistlingâ bill.
They obviously want to put a total end to OUR procreation!
But then, they donât make all that much dosh out of us do they? Or at least we have been bled dryâŠâŠ
March 27, 2023
I too would like to see an end to illegal boat entry. If Suela succeeds all credit to her. It will be a setback to a very rewarding business so be on guard to await the people smugglers next move, they will not give up on such a successful business plan.
It would be helpful if we closed down legal aid after the first appeal. While smugglers are coining it so are an army of lawyers. Are there too many lawyers in the Commons to end this nice little earner. You need to look into the charity status of the various charities aiding and abetting illegal migrants on both sides of the Channel.
Yesterday there were reports of 100 place rubber boats about to be used. If grub street know the details why not our security services and anyone tasked with stopping their arrival with engines on the french coast. I find it ironic and to a degree sinister that the EU can be so obstructive over legal internal UK trade, but totally fails to stop the importation of rubber boats and engines destined for use in crime. If Rishi was thinking logically he would have woken up long ago, or does it suit his agenda.
March 27, 2023
What an appalling outcome. Only 22 members of parliament stood up for the sovereignty of the UK. To our misfortune our other so-called parliamentary representatives do not appear to consider themselves as our representatives but rather as our rulers. Many of them will be disabused of that notion at the next election. Such a pity that the conservative party no longer has a conservative majority within it. Having hiked upon us taxation to the highest levels in 70 years they choose by stealth and subterfuge to hike it further.
March 27, 2023
It’s anticipated that a General Election will be held in the UK sometime next year. Political parties claim to want more representation from a greater diversity of candidates to reflect the population at large. Given that objective, plus the public’s disillusionment with Labour and Conservative, it leaves open the prospect of a third political party to make significant progress. With all that in mind I wonder how many candidates from the Legality Movement Party of Albania will contest parliamentary seats next year.
March 27, 2023
I just cannot understand why someone/anyone coming from France without any paperwork at all, is even allowed in our Country for a few seconds.
Just turn them around, or send them off to a “genuine refugee camp” that we help fund, perhaps in Lebanon, let them queue up and complete paperwork there, and wait for a decision there.
Politicians actually create the problem by accepting and holding them in the UK.
Just stop them entering, because by allowing such you start to automatically complicate matters.
March 27, 2023
//Whilst it is important that anyone claiming asylum should have a fair hearing and a right to an appeal if necessary,//
Still living in happy clappy land , the system cannot be made to work , the human rights utopia you seek to apply will trump any efforts made to stem the flow. We can all pretty much tell where this is going , we will end up with safe routes and illegals , which will just add to the heaving mass of people the British establishment want to pack into our country, hastening the destruction of my country England.
March 27, 2023
Weird premise from Government and Parliament. Entering the UK illegally is a criminal offence. Therefore, just being on a boat to sneak in to the UK makes you a criminal. Yet this Conservative Government treats these criminals better than the people that are expected to vote them into office. Criminals entering the UK get great accommodation, free heat and light, great food at no cost, health and welfare heaped on them, even money in their pockets.
While at the same time the UK Conservative Government is banging out adverts on TV depicting the old, the pensioner, that have contributed to the UK all their life having to sit on buses all day long just to keep warm.
Then the real unbalance comes from the effect from what we know of these criminals and the criminals gangs that encourage them, they are stealing places from those that are seeking refuge, real refuge from persecution and are in desperate need of a safe haven.
Why would anyone want to escape from the EU? We are told by everyone in the âBlobâ that it is a wonderful place to be and live.
March 27, 2023
With so called legal immigration at an all time high this fixation with boats is a sham. It’s all about increasing GDP and keeping the charities and universities sweet. If GDP was calculated per head of population we would see we are getting poorer. This government and the next has no intention of cutting immigration. Stop voting for the same failed policies. This country deserves better.
March 27, 2023
“Whilst it is important that anyone claiming asylum should have a fair hearing and a right to an appeal if necessary, ”
This is where it goes wrong, right at the beginning. No-one landing from France or Belgium is fleeing for their lives. Therefore they cannot claim asylum. They are abusing the 1951 Geneva Convention and our generosity. Therefore they should not be allowed to land. This is where the Australian principle arises: if you come this way, you will not be allowed to claim asylum and you will not be allowed to enter the country in the future either. Only if the dishonest and sentimental pretence stops will we ever get on top of this mass breach of our borders.
March 27, 2023
Here we go again. All the right intention and we are going to stop the boats!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now we are in for 2 days of watering down the bill until it is virtually meaningless just like the Windsor Framework. We have a PM under the spell of the globalists who is all talk and very little ‘do’. He does not want to stray too far from the EU or upset them as I am sure his ultimate aim is to slip this country back under EU rule in the fullness of time.
March 27, 2023
âYou break it, you own itâ Colin Powell warned Bush before the Iraq invasion.
The people directly responsible for all the war-caused disruption should be DIRECTLY responsible for the catastrophic fallout. (ie displaced people)
Personally responsible, as in from their own pockets.
Maybe theyâd think twice in future.
Anyway âŠno worriesâŠthe EU is already considered âracistâ for apparently favouring Ukrainian refugees over Middle Eastern ones. So they just canât win really!
March 27, 2023
The sudden awareness of laughing gas and criminal damage as problems that the government is going to do something about in 48 hours is laughable gesture politics, running up to local elections. We have these problems, but we do not have the means to sort them. When the police cannot be bothered to turn up to burglaries, car theft, shoplifting and many other crimes, do not kid yourself that they will develope a sudden interest in a few empty nitrous oxide cylinders or graffitti. If you wish to sort such problems, sort the means of doing so.
Here are a few thoughts. Prevention is better than conviction. To make this possible reorganise policing. Create a local police force that is largely on our streets day and night, in contact with the community on a personal level, around schools at entering and leaving times, doing all the Dixon of Dock Green stuff that gets society behaving responsibly. Possibly 80% of society does but they need backup.
Then have a National Police Force, properly funded, to deal with serious crime, civil disorder and terrorism in conjunction with our security services.
Spain has three police forces and it works very well in my experience. It used in Franco’s day be worse than bad, but now they have a society, despite its modern challenges, that you can feel comfortable and safe in. Think about it and forget about elections from which the horse has bolted.
March 27, 2023
OFF TOPIC.
BBC website:
Germany’s transport network is at a near standstill as two of the country’s largest unions strike.
Staff at airports, ports, railways, buses and subways walked out shortly after midnight for a 24-hour stoppage.
Unions are demanding higher wages to help their members cope with the rising cost of living across the country.
There have been multiple smaller walkouts by other public service sectors, but Monday’s is expected to be the largest in decades in the country. Commuter and regional trains operated by Deutsche Bahn, Germany’s national rail operator, have been affected. Local transport services, including trams and buses, are also not in operation in seven states.
“Petrol and food prices have risen,” one protester in Berlin told the AFP news agency. “I’m feeling it in my wallet.”
Thousands of flights have been cancelled, including at two of the country’s biggest airports – Munich and Frankfurt. Multiple departures from Munich Airport were also disrupted on Sunday by strike action.
March 27, 2023
Oh the joy of net-zero âŠ.at least we can hold our heads higher than the Chinese, Indians and Russians
March 27, 2023
For the ones who manage to get here they should be located to remote places where they can remain until their case is decided – they should not be allowed live where they want or in areas near to their relatives. They should not be allowed get too comfortable.
Work corps should be formed up for young single males so they can pay their way for their keep in fishing, agriculture, forestry, in roads maintenance etc etc thereby help the economy.. these corps to be overseen by army personnel. Is any of this so very hard to understand??
March 27, 2023
Not sure if you are inviting proposals for amendments. Anyway it seems to me that there need to be several things made crystal clear in UK law:
1. Article 31 of the UN Convention on Refugees provides legal protection for unlawful entry ONLY for people arriving directly from the country they are fleeing. Therefore none of those arriving from the continent of Europe is protected in UK by the UN Convention and they ar subject to UK law in the same way as any other arrival, legal or illegal. Similarly Art 5 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms provides specifically for âthe lawful arrest or detention of a person to prevent his effecting an unauthorised entry into the country or of a person against whom action is being taken with a view to deportation or extradition.â
2. Article 31 also makes its protection conditional on the refugee presenting themselves without delay to the authorities and showing good cause for their illegal entry or presence. Crossing the Channel from France, Belgium or other European state is NOT good cause.
3. Identity. Article 2 requires a refugee to conform to the laws of the country of entry. Article 27 requires the state entered to issue identity papers to any refugee in their territory who does not possess a valid travel document. The UK should issue an ID card linked to a database containing all relevant information on their personal status, entry, asylum application, rights to employment, healthcare, housing, benefits, criminal record, next of kin and their status, etc. The ID card may also serve as a travel document as required by Article 28.
Action in The Channel.
4. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea Art 33 provides for a state to take action in a zone contiguous to its territorial sea a) to prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; (b) to punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea. The contiguous zone may extend up to 24 nautical miles. This may conflict with Art 111, the Right of Hot Pursuit, which ceases when the vessel being pursued enters the territorial waters of another state.
5. The appeal of âbeing slavedâ or âtraffickedâ arises from Article 99, which states: âAny slave taking refuge on board any ship, whatever its flag, shall ipso facto be free.â It must be made clear in UK law this provision does not apply to those crossing the channel in small boats without substantive evidence of slavery.
6. The boat drivers, as a particular case, are breaching maritime law and committing an offence against the person (Offences against the Person Act 1861), by endangering human life if their vessel is overloaded, does not carry the required safety equipment or conditions were not safe for the intended passage at the time of departure or any time before the vessel reaches the halfway point of its passage. The law needs to specify how this is to be applied to the person driving the boat and to deem him/her responsible for the safety of the passengers and crew while in UK waters, including its EEZ. If conditions are safe the boat can be turned around, given fuel, a chart, a compass and instructions to reach the nearest French port and sent on its way quite legally. If not safe, arrest the driver to face charges, liable to imprisonoment and heavy fines, and impound the boat. No drivers = no boat crossings.
Reply It us too late to move new amendments. We have tabled the ones we think are helpful.
March 27, 2023
You expose the complicit complacency of our Government classes who don’t really want to stop the invasion, for if they did they would be using the laws that are already there to make life difficult for the people smugglers.
How many people have been charged under the law you cite of the 1861 Offences against the Persons Act?
March 27, 2023
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None of this is new, it is current law and just needs to be enforced.
March 27, 2023
Reply to reply. Helpful? Helpful to who? Certainly not the UK taxpayer or our own homeless or those on the NHS waiting list or those who can’t get NHS dental treatment or those who can’t get their kids into decent schools. Your government should be helping their own citizens and not half the illegal scroungers from the rest of the world.
March 27, 2023
Peter these people are not arriving from any country in particular they are arriving in small boats from the sea. ‘Crossing the channel’ is not a legal thing so it does not exist in international law
March 27, 2023
Illegal migration has to be stopped ; the Government has allowed the situation to get completely out of hand . The overcrowding conditions that exist here and the resultant cost make it impossible for any loopholes to exist . Anyone who arrives without going through the established immigration procedure must be exported immediately . Donating funds to France to stop the boats is wrong ; we must be in complete control of our affairs and not rely or put any trust on the help of outside bodies .
March 27, 2023
Firstly it makes no sense to allow unlimited immigration from a world of 8 billon people into a small country which has already one of the highest population densities in the world.
Secondly economic migrants are not necessarily cultural migrants and many indigenous residents in the UK have no wish to see their culture and laws changed by large scale immigration.
Thirdly there are very good reasons why the countries from which these illegal immigrants come have not been able over the last two centuries to take advantage of the economic benefits of the Industrial Revolution and remain poor.
We have a controlling elite who wish to turn our laws and culture into a third world country through large scale immigration and the economy through Net Zero.
March 27, 2023
+ many
March 27, 2023
To repeat my now traditional stance in all these things. The UK as a Democracy should have all the laws, rules and regulations that pertain to life of those in that domain, created, amend or repealed by itâs own elected representatives.
Meaning, laws, rules and regulations that pertain to life in the UK cannot if the UK is a Democracy let alone a Sovereign Independent Democracy, be imposed and or judged by those that are not is some way answerable to the UK Electorate. The basic difference between a Nation Ruled by a Dictator and one that as a Democracy Rules its self.
March 27, 2023
One case in point would obviously be the imposition of ECHR. There is nothing in it that our own Parliament couldnât have introduced, amended or repealed if there was a need for it. In a free Democracy there has to be a legitimate need, a reason to ban things first. Then there is nothing in the ECHR that would be beyond our own Courts to pass judgement of if it had they had first been introduced in a responsible and democratic way.
A further observation on the ECHR, it first works on the premise of first removing what they call a âhuman rightâ from everyone, so as it can then permit them and award them â almost laughable. No Democratic Country would have restricted many of the things the ECHR wants to award in the first place. Then of course there is the undemocratic notion that nothing in the ECHR can be changed by legitimate democratic means, as needs, times and situations change. Its the âegoâ of the bureaucrat gone mad, just so as to resist democracy.
March 27, 2023
Why is it that the foreign invaders, on their way to the UK, have passed through France, a country which is signed up to the same UN Asylum Convention and membership of the ECHR as the UK and from which France cannot resile as a member of the EU? Why is that that French hotels are not filled with foreign invaders in receipt of free money, phone and healthcare? Is it because the French are not prepared to accept the unsupported assurances of invaders as to their origin, background and age?
Who is responsible for the ‘jungles’ on the coast of France? Would they be there if the the Tory party which has been in power for thirteen years has allowed tens of thousands to come here such that my home town is reeling from foreign invader.
March 27, 2023
Council of Europe commissioner for human rights today urges UK lawmakers to stop new migration law stating it would strip away an essential part of the protection system by preventing people arriving “irregularly” in ‘Britain’ from having their asylum claims assessed. It’s essential, we are told, that parliamentarians prevent legislation that is incompatible with the UK’s international obligations …. etc., etc., Just bland generalised c..p being spouted. Well she/they have to say something don’t they but I’d expect people in such positions to get to grips with the actual detail before instructing our parliament & lawmakers what to do. Mr Sunak will hopefully indicate that we will do as we see fit, to put it very politely, and what our democracy permits & remind her / them that we are to open up yet another safe and legal route in all likelihood for possibly another 20.000 a year, we are already destined to give amnesty to 12.000, we have many thousands in the queue & the Albanian leader is more or less suggesting we let his illegal people stay too and we have assorted ‘others’ arriving every day already.
March 27, 2023
The Falkland islands, and in particular South Georgia, should be considered as a transition camp for the illegals.
March 27, 2023
South Georgia, population 32 in summer, 16 in winter.
March 27, 2023
Could be 50,000
March 28, 2023
Thanks hefner.
Seems like there is room for more people.
March 28, 2023
Yes, creating igloo-type housing from the glaciers that cover most of the island might easily accommodate some tens of thousands. It would only cost a ÂŁ753 pp one-way flight from London to Stanley (Falklands) then a 5-day (750 nautical miles) cruise to South Georgia. Welcome to Grytviken. What is not to like?
March 27, 2023
The 3 main parties in the UK are a sham and a disgrace and do not represent the people paying their wages. There is no way I’m voting for any of them.
March 28, 2023
I guess you are working very hard to enable other parties to get some influence in elections and therefore supporting another system of elections. Do you not?
Maybe not for you, but your children and grandchildren?
March 27, 2023
Whey are they still coming we have paid France millions each year on top of the 300million promised by our prime minister
We can keep giving France millions when
This money is desperately need in this country.
Do everything and get nothing
Do nothing and get everything
Thank you
March 27, 2023
‘Stop the Boats’ A typical deceit. A typical corruption of the words.
Your leader, and anyone who accepts the phrase is part of the deceit. He has no intention of stopping boats on their way here. He does the opposite, he encourages and helps them and their occupants over.
Anyone who takes part in administrative debate without saying and campaigning for the boats being physically stopped and returned to where they set off from is just typical of the cowardly and weak wristed people who require and allow the true people here to be trampled into submission, which we will soon be as we are prevented from defending our ways, and almost no MPs speaks out clearly, unambiguously and directly.
March 27, 2023
Is it a cunning plan of the welsh government to use millions of UK taxpayer funds to ensure that everyone in Wales can speak welsh âŠ.illegal immigrants canât claim that they want to go to Wales as its not their first, second or third language
March 27, 2023
The Diary is full of practical ideas and reasoning to prevent unwanted and unauthorised entry to our land, both here and from previous occasions of topic discussion.
There is no absence of methods. The Govt is at fault in not acting effectively.
The matter has been neglected for years. Even if not a single such boat arrived again, so much of the damage has already compounded from illegal entrants being hard-baked into our existence that many lingering problems will still prevail beyond remedy.
March 27, 2023
Dump the refugee conventions for 30 years then it stops tomorrow.
March 27, 2023
Home Office â26th March 2023
Illegal Immigrants – 87
Boats â 2
That will fill a large hotel
March 28, 2023
To add to that: March has been a slow month really. 01 Mar to 27 Mar inclusive = Total 817 arrivals / 20 boats over just 6 days. There have so far been 21 days in March recorded with zero arrivals. The month of February recorded a total of 1770 arrivals 01-28th inclusive. So total 2587 – 01 Feb to 27 Mar inclusive. With January’s 1180 arrivals, total 01 Jan to 27 Mar incl. = 3767. ( HO figures at time of initial recording ) That’s a whole lot of hotel rooms.
With regard to social housing allocations, over time, it would be interesting to have some figures on that. It is known that these stats are indeed held but I believe there has been some reluctance in the past to issue such figures even under FOI request, a sensitive issue maybe, but certainly in the public interest. Maybe the figures are out there now?
March 28, 2023
Everyday the Home Office should also publish the number of illegal immigrants that enter the UK by any other means then small boats and they should also publish the daily number of visa over-stayers