Competition is by far and away the best regulator, and I pay tribute to all those in the House, including my hon. Friend the Member for Weston-super-Mare (John Penrose), who have pointed that out; I am delighted there is cross-party agreement. The point he made needs stressing: we are dealing with a limited number of regulators here today, but there are many other regulators and much of their task could be better done by following competition as the prime means of enforcing choice.
The regulators would be well advised to heed that advice and, instead of intervening in detail and trying to make very difficult distinctions and definitions that affect a complex marketplace, with the interplay of so many different consumers and suppliers, just stress that if there is effective choice and challenge in the market, normally there can be no harm.
Labour has said that it could be that an online supplier of goods and services was not offering a good deal, but I am less worried about that if there are shops in my local high street, because I do not have to use the offer by the online provider. The online provider themselves will anyway be subject to the challenge of other online providers. One advantage that the online retailer has is that the cost of entry is so much less than that required by those who wish to set up a formal shop with a property. If an online retailer, however large they might become, starts to offer very poor deals or offers, there will be plenty of challenge to that emerging in the marketplace.
In a fast-changing world where the market is extremely good at challenging, developing and changing offers overnight, we need to be careful about becoming too prescriptive. We may come up with a perfect solution to perceived problems of some suppliers at the moment only to find that, tomorrow, there are very different problems from different suppliers and that much of it can be taken care of by that pursuit of competition.
My main concern about all of this for our country is that competition only works, in the benign way that we know it can, if we have sufficient capacity. There is a danger, encouraged by the Opposition and pursued by the Government, that today we are so keen to regulate, to intervene and to tax anybody who makes a good profit; to provide a subsidy to anybody who has a failing business; and to decide that the Government know best about what consumers ought to buy and ought to want, that we end up with too little capacity in a number of crucial areas. That means that, instead of helping the consumer, we hinder them. Instead of having moderate prices with few rises, we have even higher price rises because there is insufficient capacity to meet the market demand. Instead of providing that perfect background for entrepreneurial businesses, which Labour and Conservatives are united in wanting, we send a hostile message to businesses. Those businesses then find other places with greater freedoms and lower taxes as the ideal place in which to experiment, to set up and to seek to export from, rather than from the United Kingdom.
Indeed. I do not wish to go into the details of a recent case, because I have not studied all the documents, which would be necessary to do justice to both sides of the argument. Thinking back to when I was competition Minister—a good while ago now—when I was acting for the then Secretary of State, there was a difficult issue that arose over media challenge to the then existing limited number of media players where two of the new services wanted to merge together. I recommended, and we decided, that the two should be allowed to merge because they made a more effective competitor to what was already there, rather than taking the narrow pro-competition view that we needed to have two new challengers. The danger was that they would both fight each other to the death and leave the main media institutions—ITV and the BBC—unchallenged by alternative services.
The regulator has to understand that competition is not always furthered by blocking something; sometimes it can actually be furthered by encouraging the new. The main issue in competition law is often the definition of what is the market. I have already mentioned retail. If the market is online retail, we might want to stop a successful online retailer growing by acquisition, but if the market is retail, we might want a strong online competitor in order to challenge the previously dominant shop retailers. However, it is now coming to the point where it may be the other way around—where we need to be worried about the adequacy of the conventional retailer response.
Let me illustrate the importance of the central issue of capacity to the debate. One thing that has been extremely scarce—this has been blamed by many for the worst part of the inflation we have been experiencing—is energy. If the United Kingdom persists in saying that we do not want to get our own gas out of the North sea, we will not automatically transfer to green electricity; we will import gas from somewhere else. By doing so, not only will we damage our economy, as we forgo the jobs in the North sea and the cheaper gas, because the imported gas will be dearer; it will also be much worse for the environment, because by delaying or blocking the gas that we could get out, we will automatically import more liquefied natural gas. LNG generates at least twice as much CO2 as burning our own gas down a pipe because of all the energy entailed in compressing a gas, liquefying it, transporting it and then converting it back to the gas that we need to use. It is therefore a doubly foolish policy.
We need to expand our capacity in energy where it is available and we need to understand that there are huge economic gains to producing our own. We also need to be worried about national resilience. If we wish to say that we can defend our country and its allies, it is terribly important that we produce enough for ourselves. Having energy self-sufficiency is always critical to having a country with resilience and strong defences.
The electrical revolution seems to be popular in most parts of the House of Commons, with people urging the Government to achieve a faster electrical revolution, switching more and more people from being predominantly users of fossil fuel—most of us predominantly use fossil fuel with a petrol or diesel car and a gas boiler—to using electrical means for our main energy uses. If we are to pursue that electrical revolution, there needs to be a massive expansion in grid capacity and in cable capacity into everybody’s homes, offices and shops. It is simply not possible at the moment to generate the competition that we want for electricity against fossil fuels, and within electricity for renewables against more traditional ways of producing electricity, because the new renewable ways are so grid intensive and need so much more grid and cable capacity—we have to time shift them because they are often not available—that we are not going to get very far.
Already, I have helped with a major investment in my constituency, which was very welcome. One possible stumbling block was that the electricity companies could not offer enough power for the particular business development. There had to be an agreement over how much power the development could have available, because there was not limitless power for it to buy. The issue I was worried about had to do with grid capacity. We will find that that becomes more and more common if we do not get on with dealing with this particular issue.
A very topical issue today is capacity in motor vehicles. If we are to have a full range of choice and enough domestic production, it is not a good idea to ban the sale and therefore the manufacture of petrol and diesel cars as early as 2030, when no other major country in the world is doing so and when there will still be quite a lot of buyers who want petrol and diesel cars. I urge the Government to understand what competition and choice means. It means that people will buy electric cars when they want to buy them. They will buy electric cars when they are cheaper and better, and when they believe that the range is right and that the necessary back-up facilities are in place. I have no doubt that electric vehicle sales will grow, but it would be quite wrong to have an artificial injection of policy to ban other cars and prevent capacity and choice.
If the UK does not have battery production capacity, all we will do by banning petrol and diesel cars is destroy the successful industry that we have, which makes extremely good petrol and diesel cars, without having the replacement industry in place. It is not a simple matter of switching the production line from a diesel car one day to an electric car the next; it is a totally different product, built in a totally different way. An electric car needs a battery, which may be 40% of its value, and currently we cannot produce those batteries in any numbers to replace the capacity that we wish to cancel. I urge the Government to think again about consumer choice, competition and investment flows, because there is no way that people will want to invest serious money in the UK motor industry if its regulatory environment is more hostile than those elsewhere.
I was pleased to see my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister take a great personal interest in food production. I believe he held a very successful seminar yesterday and asked the Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs to go away and work up a series of measures. I do not doubt the enthusiasm of my right hon. Friend the Secretary of State, which I fully share and have often promoted, for us to grow much more of our own food in this country and to offer that much more choice to people in our supermarkets. However, when I look at the package of measures the Department has brought forward, there is hardly anything in it that would carry that ambition through.
The Department still intends to spend most of its subsidy money, most of its exhortation and a great deal of its regulation on encouraging farmers not to produce food, to wild their land and to achieve great things on managing the landscape for us all. That is all very nice, but it is possible to have perfectly attractive fields growing food, and that is clearly what we need rather more of.
We need to back the new robotics, artificial intelligence and electromechanical technologies that could transform the production of fruit and vegetables and other market garden products, as they used to be called, where we have allowed our market share to fall dramatically in the last 30 or 40 years. We are now reliant on imports, which limits choice, drives up prices and puts our national food resilience more in doubt because, were there to be problems with the supply from our normal suppliers abroad, I am sure we would be towards the back of the queue when it came to getting to what we needed.
I am conscious that others wish to speak in the debate, so I will not go into every sector, but the Government need to review sector by sector what they are doing that could help to increase capacity. Can they not reposition their subsidies, grants and direct investments, which they are making around the place on a pretty colossal scale, in a way that promotes that capacity and thus eases the position for competition? There is a particularly worrying trend at the moment—one that is bad for public spending and bad for business—that we make so many confused interventions that we need another intervention to deal with the previous intervention.
I will finish on the issue of high energy usage industries—steel, ceramics and other similar industries—which are gravely at risk. We have lost colossal capacity and market share under Governments of all parties since I have been around watching such things. The danger is that that loss will accelerate from here because we decide to impose the highest carbon taxes of any advanced-world country, as far as I can see—another major problem for the cost base of industries that are struggling to compete—and we then draw back in horror when we see that there could be closures and job losses, so the Government put some subsidies back in and we have a subsidy trying to countervail the tax. However, the subsidy is usually not as much as all the taxes combined, because when we add the 31% higher corporation tax—should there be any profits, and unfortunately there often are not—on top of the windfall taxes on the energy companies and on top of the carbon taxes on the steel and ceramics businesses, the tax burden is colossal and would be punitive were businesses to succeed and start making money. The demand for subsidy then becomes greater.
To have a competitive market would be extremely welcome. We have a market that is not nearly competitive enough. I ask the Government to look at what they are doing, because I think they are in danger of doing counterproductive and contradictory things: taxing too much, subsidising not quite enough and then inventing rules that stop people doing business.
May 19, 2023
Good morning.
The problem with regulation is, that larger companies can always find nice little loopholes to exploit whilst the little guy cannot.
All regulation has to do, is make sure that contracts and consumer protection are respected. Much of this we already have.
May 19, 2023
More to the point the big guy can move production elsewhere, offshore profits and use the UK as merely a market place. Minis from China, anyone?
May 19, 2023
Isn’t that the same as now though Joe? Buying cars from Germany made elsewhere, transit vans from Turkey when we used to make them in the UK, Japanese cars who at least drive on the same side as the UK.
We seem to be very generous people Brits not at all nationalist, as we are always accused of being. Quite generous with who we sell the UK property to and businesses to – with no real caveats to maintain our standards and pay to repair old and decaying parts of the business they initially bought and are making a good profit on, well that’s how it seems to me from what is reported, but who knows what is true in the press.
It’s always someone else’s fault things don’t work right; we had a shopping centre sold by the Council and eventually owned by an Irish company that let it go to rack and ruin even though they were charging high rents (very high) and maintenance fees, the council bought it back off them in a totally damaged state for as much as it was in good condition, unbelievable that protections hadn’t been written in by the land leaseholder and original council to keep to a certain checked standard.
May 19, 2023
Next question is: do you just allow capacity to build itself, or do you prod, poke and persuade it?
Before we really are down to national attributes being pageantry and soccer, perhaps the moment has come to provide more help for smaller companies to pull IP out of universities and engineering institutions, which themselves need to grow enormously to replace the Noddy courses and institutions…
May 19, 2023
Of course the Blob’s policy of tax, regulate and occasionally subsidise businesses and industries, which has been so enthusiastically grasped by this Not-a-Conservative-Government, keeps the legions of lazy, incompetent and politicised Civil Servants/public sector employees in their well-paid, comfy jobs.
Meanwhile, the productive wealth-producing private sector is being driven over a cliff.
May 19, 2023
“ I ask the Government to look at what they are doing, because I think they are in danger of doing counterproductive and contradictory things”
They are not in danger of doing it, they are already doing it. In spades. Which is one of the main reasons they will be voted out at the next election
May 19, 2023
All points made well, just a shame that you need to make them, because so few politicians seem to understand basic economics, common-sense, and logic.
May 19, 2023
+1 BA. It is like our host is the only adult in the place, patiently explaining things to the children. Children who are in charge of our government.
May 19, 2023
Excellent speech, Sir John. However, I doubt very much whether the Government will take any notice because you are up against the high spend, high tax Chancellor (Hunt) and a former high spend, high tax chancellor (Sunak). The latter has also recently reaffirmed in his Framework for the NIP UK’s commitment to remain aligned with EU rules, including on competition and public subsidy, and the EU’s right to take retaliatory action should UK attempt to diverge enough to give the UK an advantage. The EU, of course, can break its own rules with impunity but its member states and the UK may not. Even if the UK did attempt to diverge it could do so only in GB, not in NI because Sunak has agreed EU rule in NI is now permanent.
May 19, 2023
The chasm between the “aspiration” of replacing all fossil fuel with reneables and the actual ABILITY to do it, is glaring, yet the elite is driving the country into the granite wall of reality with single mindedness and insane glee.
Why?
There is a huge and concentrated pressure from the renewable industry and their friends in the media to run into this blind alley which will enrich these interest while impoverishing the country, all for a Quixotic efforts to limit warming to some arbitrary and meaningless 1.5 C rise (since 1800).
Pointless? Are we not going extinct by 2030?
For all these nonsensical arguments they turn a blind eye to the FACT that 90% of the world will increase the use of coal and other fossil fuel, completely negating all our pointless effort of reducing atmospheric CO2.
May 19, 2023
Demand pulls markets into existence.
Buyers and sellers know what they each want and seek it.
They agree on their best choice in competition with others.
Govt should not interfere to tell them what they want them to want.
Simple existing laws should prevent going wrong.
Healthy competition prevents law causing illness.
May 19, 2023
You offer cogent views. My astonishment comes from the apparent need to school the government and parliament in these matters.
May 19, 2023
Agree – I’m fed up with governments continuously poking their nose into areas of our social life that’s got nothing to do with them
May 19, 2023
Competition is the main stay of competitive pricing. Recently Microsoft and the Chancellor had an issue with the UK regulator over their proposed $69billion take over of Activision. With $69Billion in their pockets MS could have created a competitor for the market place, instead they chose to corner the market thus making it harder for anyone else to enter – that to me is a distortion of a free market and the reason and purpose of a free market.
Then at the other end we have UK Water Companies that just don’t have competition, its programmed out. They exists having obtained UK taxpayer funded infrastructure and on-going Taxpayer funding. In situations similar to that the Government should have retained ownership of the infrastructure and then by competitive tender, bought in entities to run it, in that context Government should never employ any one directly.
May 19, 2023
I can’t wait for AI to fix the not fit for purpose & service so called Civil Service.
May 19, 2023
In all these situations, as in each and every situation were Taxpayer Money is spent ideally shared ownership should be paramount. As in a UK Battery facility getting built requiring UK taxpayer money if there is Foreign owner is just a shared ownership.
Parliament must at all times be the arbiter and overseer the results of TaxPayer spend. Meaning if the Taxpayer is required, investment, subsidy however you want to call it it has to have Political Control. The object being is accountability and responsibility to the taxpayer. Government must ensure a reinvestable return is forth coming as a result of taxpayers money involvement. If there were a tangible(shareholder) return the kitty would grow for further investment instead of the tax take.
May 19, 2023
I wouldn’t dare disagree with you. Jeez
May 19, 2023
“competition is the best regulator.” what a woolly statement or rather the statement in itself isn’t woolly but rather misses all the nasty tactics employed in competition. The request by many to focus excludes reasons , why’s and wherefore’ s . An slightly bizarre example of this. The man tripped on a dangerous wire on your property; it is your responsibility to keep your property in good order. ( reason;- he was a burglar )
May 19, 2023
Make no mistake. Net Zero is designed to end free markets, competition and democracy through economy destroying rules, regulations and restrictions.
This is what our PM, when Chancellor, meant at COP26, when he said the entire global financial system would be re-wired for Net Zero.
May 19, 2023
+1 BA. It is like our host is the only adult in the place, patiently explaining things to the children. Children who are in charge of our government.
May 19, 2023
We also need smart, high-tech-savvy government who knows how to help the high tech industry, like in Israel, the government setting up a hedge fund for the high tech entrepreneurs of the future which has helped to establish Tel Aviv as a leading high tech hub. And other governments around the world helping kids become more high-tech savvy including being able to code. And more.