My Interventions in the Automotive Industry Debate (3)

11 Comments

  1. Peter D Gardner
    September 21, 2023

    Mark Pawsey underestimates the Chinese. They are very good at technology themselves and as for style all they need is brand names and to hire a few European designers and stylists. Their entry into and domination of the piano industry is a text book example of this strategy. They are doing the same with the car industry with the addition of their serious imperial ambition of creating dependency.
    Mark Pawsey also overlooks the weakness created and deepened by converting the entire economy to electricity and thus to enhanced almost total dependency on China. From where does he suppose the essential critical minerals will come from and where is the processing capacity to produce battery ready intermediate compounds and material.? Where is the nationally independent supply chain?
    The EU, by contrast is taking advantage of Ukraine richness in minerals, of which lithium and rare earth’s alone are valued at up to US$12 trillion. That is Germany’s main reason for reversing its previous policy of not supplying weapons to Ukraine. Zelensky was blackmailed into signing over sovereignty of Ukraine to the EU in exchange on 27 Feb 2022 in order for Germany and the EU to gain autonomous control of those resources.
    VDL has already announced that post war reconstruction of Ukraine will be directed towards EU green energy.
    What is the Uk’s strategy?

    1. Hope
      September 21, 2023

      Finger in the air and upset no one even if that costs our country taxpayers a fortune!

      China is a threat and the UK needs to be weened off its goods. It is a murderous totalitarian regime which has acted against our national interest, we saw that over Hong Kong. When will govt and MPs wake up?

  2. Bloke
    September 21, 2023

    Mark Pawsey states:
    “The conventional thinking is that because a battery represents 40% of the value and weight of an electric vehicle, assembly will migrate close to where the batteries are manufactured.”

    Options include:
    Make battery components for DIY home assembly. (Risky & impractical)
    Extend the charger cables to the full journey distance! (Definitely not)
    Turn batteries into trailers for towing, exchanging with recharged ones. (Somewhat clumsy)
    Create lighter cheaper batteries. (Well worth trying as a comprehensive solution!

  3. formula57
    September 21, 2023

    So per Mr. Pawsey ” Chinese manufacturers are intending to bring to the UK a load of brands that are anonymous and bland and they will not have the same attractiveness to the consumer” – hazardously treading the same path as Elon Musk’s Tesla then! Should we not alert them to take care?

  4. a-tracy
    September 21, 2023

    Isn’t the 20% vat on recharging electricity to pay for more public fuel points? Ring fence it for that purpose, then how can anyone argue about it?

  5. a-tracy
    September 21, 2023

    People take on bland cars all the time. That’s how Kia got such a jump on the flashier German models. Tesla has, for an expensive car, a very bland look, the inside is sparse and cheap-looking, doesn’t stop people from buying them! We should be encouraging Kia to open factories here in the UK.

  6. iain gill
    September 21, 2023

    Re “to bring to the UK a load of brands that are anonymous and bland and they will not have the same attractiveness to the consumer” that’s what they said about the first Japanese car imports, and look how the only way we controlled that was import quotas.
    Indeed it I was Japan I would be very upset that China is being allowed to do car importing in ways which Japan was forced to stop.

  7. Ralph Corderoy
    September 21, 2023

    ‘The conventional thinking is that because a battery represents 40% of the value and weight of an electric vehicle, assembly will migrate close to where the batteries are manufactured.’

    Manufacturers want to cut the cost of shipping these heavy car batteries during production. But the cars are then sold to the public that have to ship them for ever more. The inter-factory journey is seen to be a problem because the batteries are moved en masse but the in-car journey is the same physical effort for far longer: the lifetime of the battery. It’s Bastiat’s unseen.

  8. XY
    September 21, 2023

    Not long ago, Tesla had no brand awareness – the same could be said of brands such as Kia not many years ago.

    People read reviews, hear others discussing their purchases, see adverts etc, then they make a cost-benefit decision as to what to purchase.

    The Chinese did the same with phones – when it was all Apple, Nokia etc, suddenly you have brands such as Oppo, Lenovo, Motorola etc becoming household names.

  9. Mark
    September 21, 2023

    Pawsey seems to believe that we can afford the necessary subsidies. He should take some basic arithmetic classes. The BIK subsidy is worth around ÂŁ4,000 a year on a typical family car. Times 30 million cars is ÂŁ120bn in annual subsidy. Where is that coming from?

  10. Mark
    September 21, 2023

    The government has embarked on change for all the wrong reasons. They wanted the zeal lane for climate policy. As Kemi Badenoch has pointed out, Zac Goldsmith can afford his smug attitudes. We are undermining security of supply, our own manufacturing, the viability of transport underpinning the economy, the mobility of people including for work. We should be pressing for things that improve lives and strengthen the economy.

    Killing research that improves the fuel economy of ICE vehicles probably fails to save more fuel than is achieved by our underwhelming adoption of EVs, especially since such improvements would have a global impact. EVs are not going to be adopted in much of the world – especially those parts that have limited electricity already.

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