Fewer migrants?

Yesterday in the Common we were promised 300,000 fewer migrants in the year to spring 2024. I would prefer it if the government speeded up its changes  to bring them in by the end of this year.

In proof that the UK can now control its own birder, the government is setting about reducing migration. by raising the amount an employer needs to offer to £38,000. Dependents of students will not be allowed in.

The government appeared to have shaken off is wrong Treasury view that more cheap labour is good for the economy. Now the government is stressing all the costs and pressures generated by large scale migration with big demands for housing and public services.

It left Labour , the Lib Dems and SNP saying they wanted to bring in more cheap labour from abroad to undercut UK employees, arguing public services cannot survive without more cheap foreign labour. It was good to remind the Commons that  more training and higher pay has solved the problem of a shortage of truck drivers. We should do the same for other shortage occupations.



  1. Peter D Gardner
    December 5, 2023

    It is all pretty obvious and it is not as if there not examples overseas to show the benefits. Aiustralia’s GDP per capita is nearly 50% higher than the UK’s. Perhaps you have to be so really really clever to be in the Treasury that there is no room for common sense, only sophistry. A Treasury man is now PM and the Chancellor is a Remainer. Meanwhile David Lord Cameron of Remain is tucked away in the Lords avoiding scrutiny and basking in the warm glow of Von Der Leyen’s approval. I am guessing his mission is to sneak the UK back into the EU in all but name, deal by deal, salami slicing away the UK’s sovereignty. I would not be surprised if the solution to the illegal migration crisis is found to be the UK agreeing to take a quota of unlawful entrants from the EU, to be flown in at taxpayers’ expense instead of paying out of their own pockets for a passage by boat. While this is negotiated, of course, the Rwanda farce will be maintained as a distraction.
    It does not augur well.

    1. Peter D Gardner
      December 5, 2023

      I have been looking at the UN Convention on Refugees in another context. It actually provides significant incentives for countries directly accessible to migrants to refuse them asylum and assist the applicants to travel on to another country. The UK, being such a soft touch compared with countries like France and Germany, is the obvious destination of choice. It is no coincidence that the rejection rate of asylum applications is higher in France and Germany than in the UK. It is clearly a result of the incentives in the UN Convention to pass them on to the UK.
      I also wonder why more is not made of Article 5 of the ECHR convention which specifically provides for, “the lawful arrest or detention of a person to prevent his effecting an unauthorised entry into the country or of a person against whom action is being taken with a view to deportation or extradition.”

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        December 5, 2023

        South Africa has pulled out of that treaty in order to ‘control immigration’ – from Africa. How it thinks it can do this as a member of the African Union (think European Union) with no borders, I’m not sure. But at least they have shown us we can withdraw from damaging Treaties.

      2. Ian B
        December 5, 2023

        @Peter D Gardner – the proposal hitting the headlines has nothing to do with asylum. It is about stoping those that honesly apply to come and work. It is the deflection, the virtue signal that has no real meaning

      3. Hope
        December 5, 2023

        Good try JR to make the number sound smaller than what is going on. Your party/Govt. has completely broken the trust with the public. There is no benefit of doubt, trust is completely broken.

        Sunak now says time to get control of immigration- did he not sign up to the last manifesto four years ago!!

        You shamelessly try to minimise the number of immigrants by using a hypothetical amount your party/Govt. Might reduce immigration by.

        There were 3.5 million gross immigrants during the last two years, of that 1 in 5 were of any use, the rest a tax burden to UK taxpayer!!! 2,700 out of 3.5 million were golden visas the ones we actually want. Your party and govt only have estimates of those leaving. Against repeated promises to cut the number. The shocking fact is that your party/govt. want to cut 300,000 to a 450,000 yearly total where 1 in 5 are of any benefit to our economy!!

        Your party/govt. has then shamefully delayed until spring knowing it will never be implemented because of the election!!

        Your party/Govt. Repeatedly claimed a housing crisis when we all cried mass immigration crisis! Your govt is paying farmers not to grow food while importing Millions of people each year. Yes, each year!

        Your govt already advocating stronger ties to EU when it has Not event tried to deliver Brexit!

        Who is actually going to trust anything your party/Govt. say?

      4. glen cullen
        December 5, 2023

        I still don’t understand why every illegal immigrant isn’t locked up and charged with a criminal act, the laws are there but never used ….why are criminals allowed to stay in hotels free and roam our country free

        1. glen cullen
          December 5, 2023

          Including over-stayers

          1. Hope
            December 6, 2023

            They used to be. Javid announced at Tory conference that he was proud to close such detention centres! Last week Rycroft and his deputy admitted 17,300 were missing and did not have a clue where they were. This is a national security issue which JR’s party created!

        2. glen cullen
          December 5, 2023

          no bail ~(if needs be, change the law – no bail)

    2. Peter D Gardner
      December 5, 2023

      PS. I have been looking at the UN Convention on Refugees in another context. It actually provides significant incentives for countries directly accessible to migrants to refuse them asylum and assist the applicants to travel on to another country. The UK, being such a soft touch compared with countries like France and Germany, is the obvious destination of choice. It is no coincidence that the rejection rate of asylum applications is higher in France and Germany than in the UK. It is clearly a result of the incentives in the UN Convention to pass them on to the UK.
      I also wonder why more is not made of Article 5 of the ECHR convention which specifically provides for, “the lawful arrest or detention of a person to prevent his effecting an unauthorised entry into the country or of a person against whom action is being taken with a view to deportation or extradition.”

      1. Hope
        December 5, 2023

        The actual policy announcement by Cleverly was that Tory govt want to have 500,000 immigrants a year entering our country! 450,000 legal and 50,000 illegal! Housing, public services anyone? Of that number only 1 in 5 work!

        1. Donna
          December 6, 2023

          Correct. It’s the same kind of “tax cut” raising taxes to the highest level since WW2 deception they tried to pull off in the Financial Statement. They really think we were born yesterday!

        2. Lifelogic
          December 7, 2023

          Hence higher and higher rates and less and less incentives to work. So a doom loop as the rich and hard working leave.

      2. glen cullen
        December 5, 2023

        I still don’t understand why every illegal immigrant isn’t locked up and charged with a criminal act, the laws are there but never used ….why are criminals allowed to stay in hotels free and roam our country free

      3. paul cuthbertson
        December 5, 2023

        Peter DG – The UN and the EU are both corrupt organisations along with many others.
        Donald J .Trump frequently recites the song The Snake (by Al Wilson) at his rallies which relates to the Enemy from Within. DJT is fully aware of what is going on world wide regardless of what many still think.

    3. Peter
      December 5, 2023

      Fewer migrants?

      No. They will simply find a way around the government proposals. A new industry in bogus job offers will arise. Dependents will arrive anyway for ‘a holiday’. They will not leave though.

      This is all yet more window dressing. I doubt many will be fooled.

    4. Lifelogic
      December 5, 2023

      This looks about right. After 13 years of doing the compete reverse why would anyone trust anything the Con-socialists say? They have been undercutting people’s wages with low paid migrants for years, depressing GDP per cap and putting extra pressures on housing, schools, police, the NHS, roads…

      Even some one earning £38k (which is much more than a new Doctor is paid in London) will struggle to buy a home in many areas.

      1. Lifelogic
        December 5, 2023

        So the Sunak Government wanted to cheat the contaminated blood blood victims on their compensation, but lost the vote. In say 2050 or so will we be having this type of vote on the many Covid vaccine injured or killed – an issue at least 200+ times larger?

        Reply No. The government has been paying compensation and rightly accepts the need for it.

        1. Lifelogic
          December 6, 2023

          To reply yes but limited to £120k and only paid if very severely damaged indeed (60% or worse)!%

    5. Original Richard
      December 5, 2023

      PDG : “A Treasury man is now PM and the Chancellor is a Remainer.”

      The Chief Secretary to The Treasury (who received an MBE in our unelected Foreign Secretary, Lord Cameron’s PM Resignation Honours) is also a Remainer, as is the PM I suspect.

      Even scarier than the expected return to EU membership is that this team at the top of the Treasury want to reduce our economy to Net Zero which includes relying on Chinese supplied chaotically intermittent renewables with no plans for grid-scale stability or long-term backup.

    6. Mitchel
      December 5, 2023

      Talking of Ursula Von der Leyen,did you see her tweet from COP28:”In climate finance,we have to move from billions to trillions.To get there,we need new sources of revenues….”

      Well,get YOUR purse out then,liebchen!

    7. MFD
      December 5, 2023

      But Peter that is how we are at this point in time- we have been lied too.
      Until we get rid of the Liblabcons we will never get to dump the EU!

  2. Mark B
    December 5, 2023

    Good morning.

    Let us not forget that this cheap labour is still a cost and a cost that employers would wish to be either reduced or gone. So employing cheap does not guarantee quality, all we are doing is bringing in people who have low educational and technical skills. As I am finding out in my industry, more and more of the work is being offshored. Whether it be Blue or White Collar.

    When driverless cars become a thing, what will all the Uber drivers and delivery people do then ? Benefits I suppose ?

    1. Lemming
      December 5, 2023

      I do hope those of you cheering reduction in immigration will also cheer when you are told your hip operation is delayed six months for want of nurses, when you are told your bins are getting emptied monthly because of staff shortages and when you find your parent is in misery in a care home because there aren’t enough staff.

    2. Hope
      December 5, 2023

      When the majority of immigrant relatives do not work I wonder why there are 5.6 million inactive welfare claimants!! JR, this is your govt policy!

      Cleverly should have sacked Rycroft before he made his statement in parliament. Or is Rycroft actually doing what Tory Home Secretaries tell him? Tell us JR.

    3. a-tracy
      December 5, 2023

      You don’t have Uber where I live, nor where my parents live. Only about six companies are using the new Deliveroo service. Plenty on benefits though.

      1. glen cullen
        December 5, 2023

        and every deliveroo scooter on ‘L’ plates ISN’T insured ….but the police never stop them (I wonder why ?)

        1. a-tracy
          December 6, 2023

          How can you fine a ghost, or take a licence away that someone doesn’t hold.

  3. Mick
    December 5, 2023

    Is there a general election looming around the corner

    1. Ian Wraggg
      December 5, 2023

      That still leaves us with half a million legal not counting the illegals
      I reckon the figures for next year will be just as bad as Rishy jets off laughing to the States.

      1. glen cullen
        December 5, 2023


    2. Hope
      December 5, 2023

      Certainly there is no need of the Migrant Advisory Committee. Another useless body adding no value just excuses for useless ministers and govt’s.

    3. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      I predict that ten illegal immigrants will be flown to Rwanda a week prior to the next general election ….soon after to be returned and compensated by the Supreme Court

    4. paul cuthbertson
      December 5, 2023

      just like the blog concerning the Elgin Marbles. A total smoke screen.

  4. Javelin
    December 5, 2023

    I often post predictions on this site. It’s my job. I have often made predictions on this site and every single one has been accurate.

    I closely follow trends in newspaper comments and social media and analyse the emotional tone and intent carefully.

    I predict Reform will get at least 15% of the vote in a national election and if they “go viral” could get over 25% of the vote.

    1. Javelin
      December 5, 2023

      As I predicted before I also think the Asian Aspire party will win seats in high
      asian areas. However the Aspire MPs will simply be lobbyist for the local councils in those areas which will also win control of the councils. It will be the local councils which will create more divisive radical policies.

    2. Javelin
      December 5, 2023

      Interesting a guy called Alistair Williams won Comedian of the Year award. What’s interesting about that you ask?

      Well he was the guy who told the Burger King Brexit joke. If you haven’t seen it look it up.

      He was awarded this honour, not by the woke elitists who control access to the stage but by members of the Comedy Club in London. Indeed Alistair, who is a Christian, has been called “far right” for supporting Brexit and been banned from Youtube for being too influential.

      His prize money was £10,001 pounds. Exactly £1 more than the Edinburgh prize money.

      What is significant to this is that “culture is downstream from politics”. Politicians simply do not realise that culture is changing beneath them.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        December 5, 2023

        Politicians don’t realize that culture has remained the same when they thought they had changed it.

      2. Everhopeful
        December 5, 2023

        Two lovely hopeful posts.
        So glad about Alistair. He was one of those banned from YT I think.
        Is the tide turning?

      3. Mike Wilson
        December 5, 2023

        If he is banned from YouTube, where can one ‘look up’ the Burger King Brexit joke? Could you not tell it here?

      4. Lifelogic
        December 5, 2023

        Well far better than the top 5 Edinburgh Frige jokes

        1. Nick Helm – “I needed a password eight characters long so I picked Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.”

        2. Tim Vine – “Crime in multi-storey car parks. That is wrong on so many different levels.”

        3. Hannibal Buress – “People say ‘I’m taking it one day at a time.’ You know what? So is everybody. That’s how time works.”

        4. Tim Key – “Drive Thru McDonalds was more expensive than I thought … once you’ve hired the car …”

        5. Matt Kirshen – “I was playing chess with my friend and he said, ‘Let’s make this interesting’. So we stopped playing chess…

        The last one mad me smile slightly.

        1. Lifelogic
          December 5, 2023

          So Oliver Dowden (Law Trinity Hall) wants us to buy candles as the Gov. have made the grid so much more unstable with their net zero, religion & renewables lunacy and blowing up coal power stations. Candles? Should we stock up on Eight Track’s, Gramophone Needles, wind up telephones and flint lighters too?

          A windup, solar and battery (all three) powered LED torch can amazingly be bought for under £5, rather more use and does not need replacing every hour or two, portable, far better out doors, does not blow out, need matches or set alight to curtains. Warm you up winding it too.

      5. Timaction
        December 5, 2023

        Excellent and so funny, summing up our useless politicos and their advisers. £40 billion for leaving the EU. Madness.

    3. BOF
      December 5, 2023

      Oh yes please. God willing.

    4. Lifelogic
      December 5, 2023

      Well if it were a PR system they might well come top, just as Farage did in the EU elections. But with first past the post people cannot vote as they wish to without very often wasting their votes. Too many “always have always will” voters.

    5. Sir Joe Soap
      December 5, 2023

      Indeed the rehabilitation of Cameron was the last straw for anybody in doubt about the direction in which an unlikely next Tory administration would be heading. A dishonest weaker version of Labour/Libdem.

    6. Rod Evans
      December 5, 2023

      I am sure you are right though doubt you will see this comment as my inputs seem to reside in moderation permanently for some reason?

    7. Lesley McConochie
      December 5, 2023

      Let us hope your predictions are correct. The conservatives are beyond saving, far too many liberal wets now occupy positions of power and have moved the party away from constituency associations and democracy. I pray that John Redwood, Suella, Jacob and others of the same ilk cross the Chamber and join Reform.

    8. a-tracy
      December 5, 2023

      And will one Reform MP get elected with that 15%, will they concentrate their effort in the right area or go for Tory seats to guarantee a socialist government linked with the SNP?

    9. MFD
      December 5, 2023

      I would prefer to see 30% Javelin.
      We need some one with guts in Westminstet.
      Come on Nigel

      1. a-tracy
        December 6, 2023

        Nigel couldn’t even answer a simple question about Brexit benefits, he goes on about sovereignty, not the nitty gritty; there was plenty he could talk about, from re-onshoring of manufacturing – our going up to 8th position in the World now, he could talk about global marketplaces opening up to us, not paying RoW import tax of 80%, not paying their multitude of fines.

        The real problem is that instead of using our sovereignty we get feet draggers in parliament and people pulling us back in to pay the bills and prop the place up. There are too many organisations from the Lords to the Supreme Courts to stop Nigel whatever he says.

    10. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      Hope you’re right

  5. Michelle
    December 5, 2023

    The overwhelming number of people allowed here from Blair onward, makes the ‘shortage’ excuse laughable.
    It was blown out of the water by a Conservative MP way back when Blair was using it as an excuse for mass immigration.
    There was and remained under Conservatives a shortage of student places for medicine. The population kept rising and funnily enough it was then deemed we needed to recruit more from overseas.
    The whole system seemed to be steered to keep as many of our own people out of work, with poor training opportunities, and poor incentive.
    Migration Watch warned of the rise in immigration when Patel lowered salary threshold, qualification levels, and removed the Resident Labour Market Test.
    The ability for overseas students to stay on here for 2 years after their studies and take any job also added to the problems and was warned of.
    We now need to look at reducing the amount of people given citizenship here, and those who have been given refuge should be encouraged to return home once their country is safe to do so. We have a system in place for that I believe offering financial help for resettlement.

    1. Iain Moore
      December 5, 2023

      I understand a fair number of asylum seekers, when given leave to remain, head back home as soon as they get their benefits package sorted out , this becomes noticeable when they get caught in some trouble , as we saw when trouble hit Sudan and we found an awful lot of ‘British’ people were living there .

      May be time to null and void their leave to remain if we find they are living in the country they said they were feeling from.

    2. XY
      December 5, 2023

      Yes it’s a case of people not being *prepared* to do certain jobs rather than being unavailable (due to doing another job).

    3. a-tracy
      December 5, 2023

      Health & Social care BTECs should not be done at school 6th form or college, they should be done vocationally in care homes, hospitals and social services from age 16 with day release to do the Maths and English if they failed them at GCSE to retake their GCSE. I think we should analyse why people fail their Maths & English because the bar isn’t that high, we need to investigate what they don’t know and what isn’t getting taught well at the lower level of learning capability.

      The Government needs to take training pathways over and stop unions from self-protecting, they should aim for 50/50 boys and girls training in this profession, discuss male pathways such as paramedics, fire services that would use the health & social care qualification, change the name of ‘nurse’ to make it more gender neutral and get men training on the ward from 18 over 5 years to get their nursing degree on the job with day release to confirm knowledge has been gained.

    4. Timaction
      December 5, 2023

      Funny how all the social, health and low paid workers need replacing EVERY year. Do they go home or find other work? Like why do the students never go home! It’s all a scam and a deliberate policy of this pretendy conservative party. I actually don’t know anyone who will vote for them at the next election despite threats of Starmer. Who cares, he can only be marginally worse than high tax, high spend, welfare supporting, anti entrepreneur Tory’s. I think Reform will upset the applecart. Who’s going to believe the Tory’s on any of these late after 13.5 year policy shifts. Rwanda anyone!

    5. Mark J
      December 5, 2023

      As I’ve posted in another comment. To live in the UK (for non UK citizens) should be a privilege, not a guaranteed right. If people come to live here, are unemployed for a long period and/or commit crimes, we should have the right to boot these people out of the country. Not be subjected to various legal challenges when the ‘right to live on the UK’ has been blatantly abused.

      I agree with other comments. The Conservative party has been far too sift on immigration – both legal and illegal.

      Would we be seeing all this running around being seen to finally sort the issue, if there wasn’t an election next year?

      I suspect not.

  6. David Peddy
    December 5, 2023

    Whilst I agree with the proposals, like John, I wonder why we are waiting till next April and I have to ask what about an immigration level of 300000+ even after these changes , if they work ?

    1. Bloke
      December 5, 2023

      The Conservatives have carelessly mismanaged, allowed the situation to become increasingly bad for many years and embedded without remedy. Now they hope to begin strict measures aimed at reducing further increases in the problem they created at some time in the future.
      Prevention at the outset would have been sensible. We should have prevented election to office of such idiots.

    2. majorfrsutration
      December 5, 2023

      What is said in the Commons seldom happens – its all for show.

    3. Hope
      December 5, 2023

      It is not 300,000, this number will allegedly reduce immigration to 450,000 a year!! Add illegal immigration takes it to 500,000 a year! This is the actual policy announcement Tories want 500,000 a year! Public service debate anyone? Housing?

    4. a-tracy
      December 5, 2023

      So the flood gates will be open for the next four months, silly announcement.

    5. Timaction
      December 5, 2023

      Exactly. Still leaves net immigration if unwanted low paid workers of over 400,000, subsidised immediately by English taxpayers with all their in work welfare, health and education needs etc. Fool me once etc.

      1. glen cullen
        December 5, 2023

        this government has fooled us three times

    6. JoolsB
      December 5, 2023

      Government can’t control who leaves the country so we should be looking at gross migration, not net. This not a Conservative Government allowed 1.2 million in in the last year and 1.1 million the year before that. So even if their 300K reduction figure works, we will still see figures of around 900,000 being allowed in legally every year. And of course, if we have to wait until at least April, there could be a dramatic increase in applicants before now and then trying to get in.

  7. agricola
    December 5, 2023

    I will believe when I see it. My verdict is too little too late. I would have prefered all legitimate migrants for work to be granted a five year visa renewable if they proved to be a financially nett benefit to the UK. I would wish dependants confined to wives/husbands and children.
    I want to know precisely what government intend to do about the 6M unemployed who might benefit from retraining to fill the 1M advertised vacancies.
    I want to know what plans governmenf have for the estimated 2M illegals currently in the UK and the tens of thousands who arrive by rubber boat each year.
    Then there is the question of the loyalty of civil servants who will be administering any new rules. It is in question now, so what will be the penalties for scribes not carrying them out.
    This sudden awakening is too late for any positive pre election impact, hence my too little too late verdict.

  8. DOM
    December 5, 2023

    It’s not immigration, it’s importation. This vicious, destructive, hate fueled political ideology that seeks to destroy a nation will eventually destroy a nation, ours. And people vote for it.

    We know what the game is and at some point it will affect those that perpetrate it

  9. Ann Ward
    December 5, 2023

    I agree that migration needs to be curbed. Two points though – having listened to Farming Today and people in hospitality. British people do NOT want to do jobs such as picking crops, so will these vacancies continue to be filled by migrant workers. Unlike France where waiters are esteemed, many British people don’t want jobs like this. At Manoir aux Quat Saisons for example, most of the waiting and other staff are foreign and they are very professional. I did see you in the Commons making notes during the Home Secretary’s statement.

    1. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      ‘’ British people do NOT want to do jobs such as picking crops’’
      They do but a farmer can no longer employ school children in the summer due to risk assessment, insurance and administration, and the unemployed/students are neither local, suitable and it effects their family benefits – farmers prefer cash-in-hand, chaep labour no questions asked or subcontract foreign employment agencies (look the other way agencies), …we’ve made a rod for our own backs by bringing in many laws

    2. a-tracy
      December 6, 2023

      Ann, what is the average wage in France, and what do they pay a waiter? Do they allow them to keep tax-free tips or not?

      1. hefner
        December 7, 2023

        expatica.com 11/10/2023, ‘Average salaries and minimum wage in France’.
        €10.57/hour for any worker older than 18.
        11.6% of workers in France are paid less than 105% of the NMW.
        Average annual NET salary is €29,572 in 2021.
        In cafes and restaurants, customers usually leave tips as cash and waiters usually keep them.

        1. A-tracy
          December 7, 2023

          I went to google it after I asked the question.
          Minimum wages have been revised in France, with effect from 01 May 2023.
          The minimum wages (SMIC) have been increased from €1,709.28 to €1,747.2 per month
          and € 11.27 to €11.52 per hour.
          €11.52 = £9.87 ph.

          Waiter average gross (before tax) £13,027pa. I don’t know how much they get in tips.
          Highest paid waiters can get £20,400. They must get a lot of tips. https://www.salaryexplorer.com/average-salary-wage-comparison-france-waiter-waitress-c74j417

  10. Old Albion
    December 5, 2023

    Why not train our 2 million unemployed to do the work that apparently only immigrants can do.

    1. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      Agree – lets start by doubling the number of nurse training places

      1. a-tracy
        December 6, 2023

        They should try putting more beds back in, train more men as ward-medic apprentices from scratch, and allow them day release to get their full medic qualifications after five years, offer overtime to these medics so they don’t need agency work and go back to basics.

  11. Rod Evans
    December 5, 2023

    The statement from the minister that there will be 300,000 fewer migrants in the coming year, than arrived this year is a masterclass in obfuscation.
    Firstly, the number coming in this year is likely to be higher than the nett 725,000 of ‘legal’ migrants that arrived last year. Based on this position of fact the minimum of nett ‘legal’ migrants accepted and within the governments ‘controlled migration’ plan will be north of nett 450,000.
    Secondly, when we add in the unknown number of undocumented or illegal migrants entering the country, it is very realistic to say, net migration under this Tory ‘control’ will be over half a million/year with no sign of that number lowering going forward. These new dependent residents are all needing services and housing.
    That is not an indication the government has any control over migration. It is the complete opposite,
    What a nonsense, what a sham? There is nothing indicating the ‘smack of firm government’ anywhere to be seen in Sunak’s administration.
    It is an insult to the tax payers of Great Britain.

  12. Sea_Warrior
    December 5, 2023

    I’ll salute some progress. But I’ll echo your disappointment about timing. Why the delay? Primary legislation needed? An SI? Modifications to ‘systems’?
    And if we are still to import a city’s worth of economic migrants each year, then that’s too much. The new policy will close the gap with Labour, but only by about 5% or so. More conservatism is needed.

  13. Stephen Reay
    December 5, 2023

    Can’t see why Sunak couldn’t do this a year ago . He wouldn’t last employed in the real world where results are expected in a timely manner.

    1. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      They’re talking about ‘spring’ …that could be March April May 2024

  14. Lynn Atkinson
    December 5, 2023

    It’s amazing how reasonable the political class can become when they are cornered like rats and facing unemployment and low level warfare on the streets like they have had in France for some time. If the Intifada is called, that could easily escalate, and the political class have no means of defending the public.
    This is actually very damning action, because, of course, they could have done this at any time, but chose not to.
    What might save the Tories is that all the parties concurred with this thwarting of the Will of The People and we know it and they know we know.

  15. Narrow Shoulders
    December 5, 2023

    From the figures it appears that many of last year’s immigrants were students and their families. The students will still come but may now not be allowed to bring family members. That will reduce the numbers by about 10% (if enforced).

    However it still seems the great majority is business crying out for workers. Why won’t our own population work? Could it be the benefits system means that it is not necessary to work?

    Your government’s immigration policy is not going to work because the benefits system has not been reformed and never will be because of cries of “deep poverty” and “the children”.

    No one on benefits should be better off than being in full time work. That is the baseline.

    1. a-tracy
      December 6, 2023

      Part of the problem is that people who had never claimed benefits suddenly found that with UC, they only needed to work 2-3 days instead of 5, reducing their childcare costs and effort. Covid had lots of repercussions.

  16. Narrow Shoulders
    December 5, 2023

    1.2 million people came in last year and we still have labour shortages.

    How many do we need to bring in to eliminate labour shortages?

    It’s the benefit system stupid.

    1. a-tracy
      December 6, 2023

      I have many friends and family who work in caring professions, who trained as nurses on the wards from the age of 16, getting their training through the years; one ended up retiring at 60 on a cracking pension whilst finishing on a top-grade as a mental health senior.
      An aunt worked nights in a care home, better pay per hour, especially at weekends so she only worked three nights per week. Quiet shift but had a lot of deaths around 3am. There are British people to do this work, if more men did it, it would be higher paid for all of them. Importing the staff isn’t working. Caring people should be identified at school and allowed to apprentice in the caring professions from 16 getting qualifications whilst earning money.

  17. RGrange
    December 5, 2023

    James Cleverly: “Approximately 120,000 dependants accompanied 100,000 care workers and senior care workers in the year ending September 2023.” So in one year that’s a large town’s worth of migrants needing homes and public services to be provided, for just one sector of the economy.

    Who is governing this country?

  18. Donna
    December 5, 2023

    Last year alone, the Not-a-Conservative-Government let in 1.2 million legal immigrants (plus 50,000 criminal freeloaders).

    So even IF it is now reduced by 300,000 a year, the plan is still to invite in 900,000 legal immigrants a year (plus goodness knows how many criminal freeloaders since they don’t appear to be prepared to do the necessary to stop them).

    The only reason Cleverly can announce “the largest cut in immigration ever” is because they ramped it up to the largest figure ever …. deliberately breaking the promise made in the 2019 Manifesto.

    900,000 legal immigrants a year is NOT a cut in the numbers or controlling immigration. Just like the recent Financial Statement, when the highest post-WW2 taxes were claimed to be a tax cut, the Ministers in this appalling Government think they can be extremely economical with the actualitie and we’ll not understand the deception.

  19. Sir Joe Soap
    December 5, 2023

    The UK has been able to control its own borders since June 2016. This running round in circles only shows that this government doesn’t know how to deal with that freedom. Ditto Labour and Libdem, but at least they admitted to not wanting the job, save Corbyn, who never had the opportunity. Perhaps sadly, in hindsight.

  20. Sakara Gold
    December 5, 2023

    Sunak suffered a humiliating defeat in the Commons last night. A total of 23 Tory MPs rebelled – despite a three-line whip – to support a Labour amendment requiring ministers to rapidly set up a body to deliver compensation for the victims of the infected blood scandal.

    The proposal, tabled by senior Labour MP Dame Diana Johnson, was approved by 246 votes to 242 – a majority of four – prompting loud cheering in the Commons chamber.

    Following his demeaning non-performance during his embarrasing appearance at COP28, Sunak has now lost any semblance of authority over the parliamentary Conservative party and should resign

  21. Robert Bywater
    December 5, 2023

    Exactly. Automation and AI will take care of the work done today by many low paid jobs and AI will even eliminate the need for many higher paid trades and professions while at the same time creating new areas where human input is needed. We need to take a serious look at all these trends before making hasty decisions about the need to import labour, cheap or otherwise (it is always ‘otherwise’ in the end because of the heavy cost burden of housing, schools, health care, as you so often and correctly point out).

  22. Derek Henry
    December 5, 2023

    Morning John,
    It’s quite simple when you think about it. Why does the UK import Labour ? What with x unemployed, y inactive but want a job, and z part timers wanting full time work, why do we need any more?

    It’s relatively straightforward. The British Labour market suffers from the ‘British disease’ — a vestige of Imperialism. We find it easier to steal resources from other countries than to create our own.

    There is about 10% of the working population unutilised in the workforce one way or another. And that’s before we get onto people over 65, who are automatically excluded despite the state pension age creeping ever higher.

    None of these match the vacancies on offer.They don’t match for several reasons:

    a) The job role demands a skill set that is not available at the price offered.

    b) The job is in the wrong geographical location from the people who could do it

    c) The job has physical requirements that are not available at the price offered

    So the process of filling a job goes something like this:

    1. Business advertises for a person to work very long hours for a pittance, often somewhere ridiculous like London.

    2. Nobody appropriate applies for it.

    3. Business goes running to nanny shouting ‘skill shortage’ and demands visas.

    4. Government gives in to business because businesses are treated like pets, not cattle.

    5. The job is advertised abroad.

    6. Foreign nations, exporting their people like cargo, welcome the visas and encourage people to leave rather than sort the social problems out at home.

    So the elite class in both countries get what they want.The poor country gets rid of their peasants that are competing for what little resources there are and who may send some foreign currency back which the elites can appropriate through taxes, financial discounting or even occasionally producing goods for people.

    The rich country gets cheap labour that will stack high in tenement blocks and work all hours for a lower wage. The elite cream off the surplus and socialise the losses onto the school system, the health system and the social services who then advertise for people to expand and find that there aren’t any skilled staff to work in those areas. The public sector then asks for visas, advertises abroad to compound the problem.

    What you get, in effect, is the same process at a country level that we had initially in the industrial revolution at a city level. 1840’s Manchester followed the same process, but with the surrounding rural areas rather than areas thousands of miles away in a different country. Birmingham, Glasgow and others followed the same process.

    It will end up in the same way it always does — the rich living in gated wonderlands while the poor live in slums squashed in like sardines. Shanty towns are what happen when you allow market forces free rein. The UK had the first shanty towns, and the way it is run at the moment it will be the first shanty country.

    It’s not just at the low level this process happens. Agriculture is notorious for it, but it also happens in IT. The larger firms put pressure on the government to let them import ‘skilled staff’ just as soon as the British workers develop any pricing power.

    In reality they just want to pay less, and the prevailing economic orthodoxy uses a ‘reserve army of the unemployed’ to keep wages under control. In their belief system, inflation control has to be done on the labour side of the equation, never on the capital side. That why we have concepts like NAIRU, but never a NAIRC (non-accelerating inflation rate of competition).

    When you look at a country with a different approach — Japan — you find, that even with a declining population and GDP relatively static overall, the GDP per capita is rising. That’s because they are automating and treating their elderly with respect. Fast food places are closing because they can’t get the staff. People get their cars washed by machines and their coffee from machines. All that drives forward productivity which then maintains and improves the standard of living — because they have to.

    It’s not all perfect. The Japanese elite are gripped with neoliberalism like everywhere else. There is unnecessary unemployment and unhappiness. There are strong pushes for more ‘guest workers’. But the language, writing barrier and general culture stops them throwing open the doors. They have developed a different way for an island nation to bumble along relatively happily but with a net migration rate of about zero.

    When you read any of the immigration literature put out by economists have a look and see if you can find Japan mentioned. You won’t find them in there — because it doesn’t fit the prevailing narrative.

    So there is another way to improve standard of living rather than going around nicking resources from other nations. But it means treating business like cattle rather than pets. It means elites having to address local problems and innovate rather than sweeping them under the carpet.

    But to do that you have to dump the neo-liberal economic attitude and the bizarre focus on people overseas ahead of people here who actually may vote for Conservatives.

    Leaving the EU. We have been freed from the straitjacket. Asking for it to be put back on, because the new movement in your arms and legs is scary, looks a bit bonkers to anybody outside the echo chamber.

    The growth strategy of the UK has been for many years “import cheap labour to keep the middle classes in their delusions of grandeur”. It’s actually called The British Growth Model. But we didn’t reject New Labour to have it replaced by Cheap Labour.

    Our future must lie in improving productivity and increasing investment so that we can do more things with a stable population and a sustainable ecology. And a constraint on the labour supply is one of the ways that gets done. Employees should always be reassuringly expensive to force the capitalists to invest and innovate.

    Our international strategy must be to encourage other nations to follow our lead in pushing productivity and increasing investment, and solve their unemployment problem at home rather than exporting it. That means that activity needs to move to where the people live.

    Bizarrely we appear to be focussed upon national GDP figures and international people, when, in a nation, the focus should be the other way around — international growth figures and the local people who actually vote for you. It shouldn’t matter where the work gets done as long as it is more productive and less resource intensive than before.

    But to do that you have to have an immigration system that works. Here’s a precis of one that will (but remember that the devil is in the detail):

    An immigration system that excludes immigrants that wouldn’t otherwise get a work visa instantly removes all those people who come here and compete with the UK working-class sub-median wage earners. These were the people who voted in the largest numbers for Brexit. These people have paid the heaviest price for EU membership.

    Reintroducing a work visa system that is on same lines as every other civilised advanced nation outside the EU, solves that problem.

    Then only higher waged, higher skilled individuals come into the country from all over the world, but they compete with a different class of people in the UK and compete less because they are in areas with GENUINE skill shortages.

    From the point of view of the UK sub-median wage earner, immigration has ended. So they are happy.

    And importantly you need to send out higher skilled individuals from the UK to the rest of the world to balance those you take in. Otherwise you are stealing skills from other nations which they need to develop internally. That is a ‘beggar-thy-neighbour’ attitude and morally unacceptable. Immigration should be more of an informal exchange process than a capitalist ‘free market’.

    This is a civilised solution that addresses all the concerns. Eminently reasonable and fair to all who believe in nations and borders. A win-win all round.

  23. Ian B
    December 5, 2023

    The immigrants referred to here are the honest ones the ones that formally apply. The real concern and it always has been is the Criminals, forcing their way in. Like for instance the 17,000 that criminally entered the Country recently and the Authorities in charge have no idea what happened to them!
    So, this noise is just another noise, more deflection trying to manipulate the truth before the election.

    I would guess these Criminals are in more than one way costing us at least 10 times more than the honest legitimate working immigrant. So time in Parliament was yet again consumed in more pointless virtue signaling

  24. beresford
    December 5, 2023

    It doesn’t matter if mass immigration ‘benefits the economy’. This country is more than an economy.

  25. Aden
    December 5, 2023

    So the implementation.

    Use national insurance records to find overseas nationals

    Change their tax codes to 38k a year or more

    Taxed at source many won’t take home a penny

    Ah yes I get it. You won’t implement that, because those here you will say we are stuck with.

    That just calls the lefts bluff on their claims migrants make net contributions

    It’s way to implement. It takes the decisions away from civil servants

    Start with deliveroo

  26. Peter Humphreys
    December 5, 2023

    By under cutting home grown labour Brits are forced onto benefits costing us more money, whilst the often non working dependents are a further burden.

  27. Roy Grainger
    December 5, 2023

    The media and politicians always quote the net (arrivals – leavers) immigration number, which in 2022 was around 600,000. However the number of immigrants arriving in 2022 was actually 1.2 million. So reducing that by 300,000 is a drop in the ocean.

    1. Donna
      December 6, 2023

      They thought you wouldn’t be able to work that out 🙂

  28. Ian B
    December 5, 2023

    The Guardian the have picked up on a speech by Jeremy Hunt speaking to the Resolution Foundation in London saying that the UK’s woes are the result his ineptitude or the failure of this Conservative Government – but on Brexit.

  29. Anthony jacks
    December 5, 2023

    I am not sure how many are arriving for the care sector but the training is about a week, followed by a period of supervised work. The rate of pay is about £22,000 p.a . I am sure that many of our citizens could cope with the jobs but I am unsure of the life style that £22,000 would support and what pay increase would be required to attract more people. There must be a significant capital expenditure saving by not using immigrants, because every where you look we are short of houses, hospitals, and etc. similarly there are the indirect savings for services such as professional medical staff etc.

  30. Brian Tomkinson
    December 5, 2023

    As usual with this government all we get is talk; the necessary action is delayed and, based on its previous record, it has to be asked if it will ever be implemented.

  31. Ian B
    December 5, 2023

    From the Media – the UK’s Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) with Brussels holds a hidden clause blocking the Government from taking back control of the country’s borders.
    The report noted that “the application of Part Three of the TCA on law enforcement and judicial cooperation in criminal matters is under the condition that the respect for democracy, the rule of law and the protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including as set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and the commitment to high-level protection of personal data.”
    So, as we all thought Rishi Sunak has signed an agreement with the EU that the UK remained under their control

  32. Nigl
    December 5, 2023

    Why don’t you mention your 2019 election promise to reduce migration. Nothing to do with the fact that the numbers even after this will be substantially higher. I see you haven’t the balls to produce a precise number so we cannot measure your success. Look out voters for the inevitable spin that will follow.

    This is a shameful nakedly political stunt from a party in trouble. If you had been serious you would have done it years ago.

  33. Berkshire Alan
    December 5, 2023

    Well it’s a start, but still not enough, we will now get even more people trying the illegal route in !
    Why the delay, everyone can see this is urgent.
    I see Sunak lost the argument yesterday to postpone compensation to the Victims of blood transfusions, with Parliament voting to start now, well after decades in reality.
    Quite shameful that it has taken all this time to launch an inquiry (still not finished) when all of the evidence has been around for decades.
    Sunak does not seem to have a clue about Human nature and the way it effects peoples views on many topics/policies, etc does he !

  34. Derek Henry
    December 5, 2023

    If it doesn’t change we can all expect the retirement age to keep on rising.

    Pensions are NEVER an affordability story as we are fully sovereign and issue the £. It is ALWAYS a productivity story.

    If you want to rachet up competition and productivity to mach 10. Introduce a job guarentee and slash the retirement age to 55 along with a skill based visa immigration policy.

  35. Geoffrey Berg
    December 5, 2023

    Sunak is maintaining his record of coming up with policy and legislation that practically nobody agrees with. Those sympathetic to immigration and the bleeding heart brigade will absolutely denounce it for taking some occupations off the shortage list and for the alleged cruelty in not allowing some dependants in (which may indeed be challenged and overturned by the courts under European Convention human rights provisions concerning family life). Those of us who want to stop the flood of immigration will not be satisfied with allowing in over 400,000 immigrants a year even if that is instead of over 700,000 and we are also apprehensive of an absolute extra flood of immigration before these restrictions on dependants and other immigration come into force next April.

  36. Nigl
    December 5, 2023

    And in other news Hunt is still blaming Brexit for instability. He has been a weak, in the pocket of the Treasury, still promoting their anti Leave line, Chancellor and now playing into Starmers hands.

    A weak shyster and metaphor for much of the cabinet. Now reduced to hubristic spinning of tax cuts when tax is going up.

    Should have been got rid of ages ago.

  37. Denis Cooper
    December 5, 2023

    Off topic, we are going to see more and more of this kind of thing while the Windsor Framework endures:


    “Tory anti-strike laws threaten Good Friday agreement, post-Brexit watchdogs warn”

    Either the legislation will have to exclude Northern ireland, or there will have to be “notwithstanding” clauses.

  38. Cynic
    December 5, 2023

    Shutting the stable door, but keeping the welcome sign.

  39. Everhopeful
    December 5, 2023

    To my unmathematical)/useless at economics brain it seems that the cost of keeping a man out of work on generous benefits…..
    (Corby… Mrs T….disability and the sky’s the limit…taxis and laptops)
    ADDED to the cost of bringing in new people HAS to be more expensive than simply getting people off benefits and back into work. Surely?**
    Plus, given the apparent malleability of folk, it would take MSM about a week to convince readers and viewers that work is desirable, good, wholesome and the thing we must all have.
    Give a relentless campaign 6 months and the whole country would be working. Guaranteed.

    **And Tice’s recent revelation!

  40. Alan Paul Joyce
    December 5, 2023

    Dear Mr. Redwood,

    “The government appeared to have shaken off its wrong Treasury view that more cheap labour is good for the economy”. I’m glad you say ‘appeared to’ because I doubt that it has.

    The Prime Minister and most of the party has had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, to do something about migration both legal and illegal. For 13 years, conservative governments have done very little to control migration and in that time, have presided over a significant deterioration of the living standards of people who have lived here all their lives.

    Only now, when their own necks are on the line does the parliamentary party feel compelled to do something and even then postpones it until Spring next year. If the Conservative party thinks this will propel it to victory at the general election then I hope it does not. That would be a reward for 13 years of miserable failure.

    The Conservative party has lost its way utterly and needs to rediscover what it stands for.

  41. Des
    December 5, 2023

    Lies, lies and more lies. If anyone has difficulty seeing the agenda being pursued by the ruling class they really need their eyes testing. Populations replacement and social disorder is the objective and they’re doing very well so far. I just hope the ensueing civil war gets up close and personal with our ignoble leaders.

  42. Original Richard
    December 5, 2023

    “Yesterday in the Common we were promised 300,000 fewer migrants in the year to spring 2024”

    This still leaves half a million migrants each and every year.

    Make no mistake our current Parliament wants to change the population of the country in order to obtain permanent control. They want therefore to remove the very pillars of our wealthy, successful, stable and democratic civilisation with economy destroying Net Zero and replace the population with those who have no history of and do not value meritocracy, law and order and freedom of speech.

  43. Richard1
    December 5, 2023

    Fine but this obviously should have been implemented by Boris Johnson with his 80-seat majority in 2020. We would be able to see the results by now. Almost certainly too late unfortunately. But still a good reminder that the left want open borders. And we saw some of the results of that in the shameful marches glorifying terrorism in Israel. Let’s hope the silent majority recognise it and vote accordingly.

  44. Iain Moore
    December 5, 2023

    My view that our border control was non existent and we had a state of anarchy across them gets more confirmed as we learn more of what is happening. What is being exposed is that the British establishment ( who ever claims to be the government is just a front, for voting doesn’t change anything) is incapable of managing our borders, and anyway they don’t want to. Their idea of a country is transit lounge of itinerant populations.

    How is it possible that we get told we have a 100,000 shortage in the care sector and after two years and net immigration of 1.4 MILLION people, we still have a 100,000 shortage in the care sector? There is something very rotten going on.

  45. Iain gill
    December 5, 2023

    By not implementing the changes immediately this will provoke a surge in immigration as people rush to beat the deadline. So entirely the wrong practical results on the ground prior to an election.
    Too little too late.

  46. IanT
    December 5, 2023

    I was watching the Paper Review last night and one of the commentators was very concerned about the impact of the new immigration regulations on the NHS. I immediately thought of your post yesterday Sir John about NHS staffing increasing by 230,000 since 2019. I then tried to think of private UK companies that employed 230,000 people in the UK. It’s more than Sainsburys ( at 153K) or Nissan (at 132K) and over 2/3rds of Tesco’s total (337K) !

    So enough ‘new’ NHS staff for a major UK Company just in four years. What an appalling mess of mis-management (and mis-representation by the Left).

  47. George
    December 5, 2023

    Hi sir John
    How can they say cheap labour for people abroad there are thousands of British people on cheap labour no one says anthing about them.
    It sounds as if they are going to slow down legal migration. But nothing said about the illegal migration invading the country. By small boats . Which is our biggest problem these people are living here for free so the low pay does not apply to them it costs 7 million pounds a week.

  48. Lesley McConochie
    December 5, 2023

    Some good news at last. Now we must invest in our young people, pay them decent wages; get rid of the stigmatising minimum wage which employers use to hold down wages, and bring back pride and kudos to manual jobs and apprenticeships. In the 1960’s a man working as a decorator or a plumber could afford to buy a house and have his partner stay at home to bring up the family if that is what they wanted to do.

    1. IanT
      December 6, 2023

      Having employed one recently, i suspect a young person would be very much better off training as a plumber than racking up debt to get an Arts degree….

  49. Bryan Harris
    December 5, 2023

    cheap labour from abroad to undercut UK employees

    Doesn’t that say everything about the mentality of the people who want to fill our country with foreigners?

    There was never the need to do so – that old chestnut about there not being enough labour in the UK for certain jobs was totally down to how Benefits operated and excessive taxation – there are people, but under a system that allows them to do nothing for an income why would they take a job only to be worse off?

    It becomes clearer by the day that the whole political establishment supported, and still supports, the open door policy that Blair took the locks out of.

  50. Christine
    December 5, 2023

    Too little, too late. We don’t believe any of your party’s promises.

  51. XY
    December 5, 2023

    More training and higher pay is not a magic bullet.

    How much traing can you give to, say, an asparagus picker?

    How much more can you pay him without driving the shelf price of your goods to levels no-one will pay?

    People can easily choose not to eat asparagus. However, in the case of essentials, if you’re not careful then you end up like Zimbabwe, where the price of a loaf of bread is such that nobody can afford to eat and inflation is through the roof.

    The answer in those occupations is more automation. And training a work force to do non-manual tasks in a high-tech economy. The root cause is the schools – if they don’t pay attention, or are ill-disciplined, or they see being a footballer/singer as the only aspirations of interest to them… then you have a useless indigenous workforce. Solve that problem first, the rest follows.

  52. Bryan Harris
    December 5, 2023

    Talking of irrational ideas and the wasting of money….

    Our PM has just agreed to pay the EU €2.43 billion per year to join their Horizon program.

    That is a heck of a lot of money with no guarantee that we will get any value back in return.

    Are we really expecting to see benefits in excess of €2.43 billion every year – Very very doubtful!

    It is more likely we are cosying up to the EU, to get closer, until we finally slip totally back into their clutches.

  53. Yossarion
    December 5, 2023

    So now they will stop ten times the figure that was promised in 2010 and 2015.

  54. Kenneth
    December 5, 2023

    The government – just like the BBC – treats immigration like an uncontrollable natural phenomenon that needs to be tempered.

    Just like any independent country – especially an island like ours – our government with its majority has full control over how to deal with immigration.

    Recent governments have treated us like idiots by pretending they cannot control our borders.

  55. glen cullen
    December 5, 2023

    If the government were serious they’d initiate the policy immediately, but they’re waiting untill spring next year ….fool me once etc

  56. Keith from Leeds
    December 5, 2023

    I am afraid we will believe it when we see it! This Government is great at talking about it, but not very good at actually doing it! Look at what is happening in Europe. There is a big anti-immigration movement in several countries.
    Not because people are immigrants, but because they are anti the sheer numbers involved and the effect on the culture of the country. We have seen that effect in the UK in marches in support of Hamas and Labour MPs voting for a ceasefire because 30% of their voters are Muslims.
    It is time to bring it under control here in the UK, but does this Government have the guts to do so?

  57. TROD
    December 5, 2023

    I don’t understand the opposition parties’ point about labour shortages.
    When so many migrants have already come why are there still labour shortages?

  58. forthurst
    December 5, 2023

    There is no limit to the potential demand for immigrants under a system that allows it, as each immigrant family creates demand for the goods and services that require more people to provide. The only way forward is to ensure that the market adjusts wage levels according to the real demand for the roles for which market demand exists without an increase in the labour force.
    The current system is not market led as for example the civil service is heavily infested with overpaid, over-pensioned drones with degrees in irrelevant subjects, making them skilless. There is no real demand for these people at all; all that exists is a self-perpetuating body of people which creates roles to provide themselves with employment. The same can be said for areas of the financial services industry which actually does not provide services externally but rather rewards insiders for their market manipulation
    to syphon off the wealth of those who create it.

  59. Bert+Young
    December 5, 2023

    Delay doesn’t achieve anything ; the country is no longer the place I was born in . Illegal immigration should be stopped immediately by whatever means – there is no point in being soft about it . The cost of harbouring the uninvited and the effect it has on all of our lives is atrocious ; I despair . I am sure that if Farage had any influence in this matter it would restore our dignity . The ranks of our unemployed should be filling vacancies not foreign workers . We have lost our way to all outside influences and we should once again wave the Union Flag .

  60. Derek
    December 5, 2023

    It beggars belief that a Government would allow cheap foreign labour to freeely enter the UK, thus undercutting the British worker but to the benefit of big Corporations, et al. And allowing the families of foreign students to come too. What for?
    What perverse logic was applied by those who have not a clue on how the rest of us have to survive in our own country?
    Our country is desperately seeking a proper leader with the appropriate skills to turn us around. AGAIN!! Come out wherever you are – we desperately need you – right now.

  61. mancunius
    December 5, 2023

    The one shortage caused by increasing *immigration* (let’s call it by its real name, for migration includes emigration) is never addressed by the Treasury – that is the crippling shortage of housing for those who have lived and worked here all their lives.
    I expect the reason why that shortage never bothers civil servants, or MPs, or Lords, or any other wealthy people, is because they are never confronted with it. In fact, through the price of their own properties (and rents) rising in value, they benefit from it. Imagine, So why would they restrict a commodity that makes them even wealthier?

  62. formula57
    December 5, 2023

    “Yesterday in the Common we were promised 300,000 fewer migrants in the year to spring 2024.” – and did this provoke riotous laughter in the chamber?

    This plan actually means immigration will be cut to the hundreds of thousands – giving us the general election slogan “a reduction to tens of thousands good, to hundreds of thousands better” perhaps?

  63. oldwulf
    December 5, 2023

    It might be of interest that in 2003 Kier Starmer QC acted on behalf of a number of asylum seekers and apparently “The test case under article three of the European convention on human rights covers six asylum seekers fleeing regimes around the world including Iraq, Angola, Rwanda, Ethiopia and Iran.”


  64. The Prangwizard
    December 5, 2023

    I was encouraged to hear the words which have broken the narrative barrier we have had to endure for years. This must continue. If it isn’t it we can claim we are being deceived again.

    As said, why such implimentation delays? This might indicate a deceit, and withdrawal is on the way.

    1. R.Grange
      December 6, 2023

      Why the delay? Because the civil servants know that next spring we may have an election, and anything the present government does will be a dead letter after Starmer takes over.

  65. Caterpillar
    December 5, 2023

    Much too little much too late. If a person’s income is lower than GDP per capita then his/her entry is likely adding less than GDP/capita to the economy i.e. bringing down productivity (marginal < average). So if a couple enter and only one is achieving the new income threshold then this will still bring GDP per capita down to lower than it otherwise would be.

    To have transparent immigration control then a total number of visas needs to be set. Just take the gross emigration of two years earlier and set gross immigration as a multiple of this, then subtract the net illegal immigration of 2 years earlier. For example, if net zero immigration was the target take gross emigration from two years ago subtract the net illegal immigration and that is the maximum number of visas to be issued. Divide these between the different visa types whilst maintaining the other requirements. Any Govt will then be obliged to announce the multiplier for the following year, if it is 1 the electorate knows the target is net zero immigration, greater or less than 1 communicates other policies.

    No hard number of visas each year means no transparency.

    Since 1997 there has been two disastrous policy areas, immigration and monetary policies. Since 2003 energy policy added to the disaster, They have been followed by Lab, Con & Lib even though each is easy to fix.

  66. Lifelogic
    December 5, 2023

    From a Tweet by the excellent Clare Craig.

    “Deaths in 2023 up to 27th October – England.

    0-24 yr olds 12% above expected
    25-49 yr olds 10% above expected
    50-64 yr olds 13% above expected
    65-74 yr olds 5% above expected
    75-84 yr olds 4% above expected
    85+ yr olds 4% above expected”

    Note we would expect lower than normal after the Covid death brought forward this especially in the older ages 65 and above which perhaps explains the 4% 5% figures. So the causes are? NHS delays, suicides, vaccines damage, long Covid issues…. Almost certainly mainly the vaccine damages. Allowing for the fact that death should be lower we are looking at something like 75,000 extra deaths PA.

  67. glen cullen
    December 5, 2023

    Just stop the boats mid-channel and escort them back to France. For those that land, utilise the old military camps in the Hebrides (Scottish Island), the Ascension Island (Mid-Atlantic) or the Falklands (South Atlantic) all British Territory, and centralise a migration assessment centre for ALL illegal immigrants
    Today stop all accompanied immigration
    Today stop allowing ex-students to remain to look for a job or another course
    Today ensure that every student or worker has health insurance and funds
    Return immigrant for committing a crime
    A bit like every other country of the world

    1. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      AND you have to set a cap ….otherwise the exercise is pointless

    2. hefner
      December 5, 2023

      Or Pitcairn Islands as they are likely to develop hugely in the future as the actual only bits of the British Overseas Territories within the official CPTPP area.

      15/11/2023 gov.uk ‘The UK and the CPTPP’.

      1. glen cullen
        December 6, 2023

        Thank you for the info – however I chose my selection by established military camps & infrastructure with schedule military transport links that weren’t on mainland Britain (safe and secure)

  68. mancunius
    December 5, 2023

    What is impressive is the sheer amount of apparent activity by government ministers who by kicking the issue up to and beyond the general election, and by harnessing the inertia of their civil servants, ensure nothing will actually be done to until Labour come in and open the gates to more ‘Labour voters’.
    All we can assume is that when Sunak was jockeyed into No.10, the Westminster Tory cabal must have whispered to him: ‘Remember m’boy, your main goal is to lose us the next election!’

  69. mancunius
    December 5, 2023

    will actually be done to *reduce immigration* until

  70. Freda
    December 5, 2023

    What about husband 4 of those already here

  71. Original Richard
    December 5, 2023

    The answer to the (emergency) shortage of cheap labour is conscription as we had from 1916 to 1920 (WW1) and 1939-1960 (WW2 and 15 years after).

    This time it would be for social not military service, although military service could be a selected option by the conscripts, and for everyone not just males.

    At the same time the conscripts could learn useful trades that we are lacking as well performing useful services to the community.

  72. Margaret
    December 5, 2023

    Since the 90,s highly qualified personnel were pushed out of jobs into agencies.The excuses for getting rid of these staff were ridiculous but were manoeuvred by management and supposed legal contacts.The immigrant workers had position priority whilst much professional abuse kept those who could do the job down and make money for private business.If there is no chance of getting a steady job ,despite better qualifications ,better experience and an ability to communicate in English then the only way to pay the mortgage is to join an agency .Money grabbing has spoilt this country.

  73. Lindsay+McDougall
    December 5, 2023

    Only zero population growth (ZPG) and preventing the white British from being swamped will do. The resulting immigration control measures are logical if draconian:

    – Anybody arriving without a passport to be located on a Hebridean island, provided with a tent, a shovel and the basic necessities of life. There they should rot until they reveal their real country of origin (not France).
    – Nobody to be granted citizenship or permanent residence for the next 20 years
    – No exceptions for NHS or social care
    – Residence permits to be optionally renewed annually or (for students) after 5 years
    – Tag all illegal immigrants
    – No admittance to dependents
    – Even refugees to be expected to return to their country of origin eventually, when it is safe
    – Withdrawal of legal aid from illegal immigrants (redeployment of Leftie lawyers to crop picking)
    – Benefits payable at only 70% of the level of benefits (including the Universal Credit cap) paid to citizens
    – Statute law to outlaw all religious beliefs that contradict the law of the land

    These measures would reduce the pull factor.

    Let us not forget that young immigrants eventually age. Nobody thinks of the Irish and Jamaican immigrant waves of the 0s and 60s as being any longer young.

    And as Sir John has often pointed out, immigration labour may be cheap but the extra roads, houses, schools. energy, water supply and waste disposal needed to accommodate them are not.

  74. glen cullen
    December 5, 2023

    Stop complying with the ECHRs, the EU, the UN Refugee & Human Rights (many bodies), the French, and start complying with the Tory voters that put you in power

  75. John O'Leary
    December 5, 2023

    Without a cap these half hearted measures won’t work. Immigrants will find a way around them and they do nothing at all to fix illegal immigration.

    1. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      Spot On

  76. Mark J
    December 5, 2023

    When there are around five million people of working age thrown onto the unemployment scrapheap, it is about time that all the political parties made more effort to reduce this number.

    The old mantra of just keep importing cheap foreign labour has now come to fruition.

    Millions of Britain unemployed, plus I suspect a good number we have imported over the years.

    I would like to see the Government get tougher in the following aspects:

    1) No job = no right to remain in the UK, for foreign workers. Obviously some time given to finding alternative employment.
    2) Coning to the UK being a priviledge, not a god given right. A privilege that can be withdrawn at any time, if misdemeanours occur, without various legal challenges.
    3) Stopping the entourage of ‘dependants’. The contributions of one migrant paying their way is cancelled out when various non working family members join them. UK taxpayers should not be funding non working dependants. Like we have to do in other countries, if we decide to live there, lay your own way, or leave.
    4) Block access to public services until x number of years. It is not right that people can arrive and claim access to various public services without contribution.
    5) Finally get tough on illegal migration. It is all well and good bolting the front door, however it is hopeless if people are still slipping in around the back! We do not owe the entire world the right to live in the UK, nor can we afford to. It is high time some Politicians (in Labour, Lib and even Con) actually grasped that.

  77. Voter54
    December 5, 2023

    Do you get it JR ? I sometimes wonder and hope that you do.
    You must do , surely.
    Stay cool.

  78. iain gill
    December 5, 2023

    I see the final deal we have signed with Rwanda means that they will send us more people than we will send them, pushing up net immigration. You really couldn’t make this stuff up.

    1. glen cullen
      December 5, 2023

      Like paying the Albanian prison service with EVs to accept their criminals back

  79. turboterrier
    December 5, 2023

    O/T but as Christmas is coming,
    With all the money pledged (thrown around) by the UK politicians at COP28 last weekend just to keep us leading the world against Climate Change even though our emissions are very low, there must have been a better use of the money.
    As we are well on the countdown to a general Election the money could have been better pledged by stating that if the party won the next general election it would honour the claims of the WASPI women. Bring closure to an open sore and bring on side thousands of women who have lost out in some cases very large sums of money due to lack of consideration and detail to a financial decision.

  80. Everhopeful
    December 5, 2023

    Apparently those really in control just aren’t cooperating with this too-little-too-late-but-hopeful strategy.

  81. glen cullen
    December 5, 2023

    ”German Economics Minister Robert Habeck has announced that he will postpone the coal phase-out planned for 2030 due to the uncertain supply situation, and that fossil-fuel powered plants will have to run longer if there are not enough alternatives” net-zero-watch ……we’ve got to keep all those immigration centres warm some how

    1. Mitchel
      December 6, 2023

      Well,he should blame whoever it was that blew up the Nordstream pipelines.

  82. formula57
    December 5, 2023

    This government’s “could not care less” attitude is shown by the minimum income requirement for family visas. This was introduced in 2012 and set at £18,600 and neglected thereafter. Only now in the panic of these present proposals is there to be an increase, to £38,700. That the increase is more than double confirms the extent of the past neglect.

  83. Original Richard
    December 5, 2023

    Our new Foreign Secretary, the unelected Lord Cameron, has just signed a secret (Parliament will not see the details until Spring) “Political Dialogue and Cooperation agreement” with Cuba.

    Could this be a masterful backup plan if the Supreme Court rules against the new Rwanda Treaty just signed today by the new Home Secretary?

    Cuba would be ideal as it would be considered an entirely safe, respectable and acceptable country by our judiciary, MSM, Home Office and Parliament.

  84. iain gill
    December 5, 2023

    twitter (X) allowing community notes against posts by both the PM & the Home Secretary pointing out the errors in what they are saying. its absolutely hilarious that Elon’s free speech outfit is ripping to shreds any credibility the government think they have.

    who exactly do the government think they are convincing?

  85. Mickey Taking
    December 6, 2023

    300,000 based on what? Like all Government stats, ONS, OBR, Bof E – a work of fiction.

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