The collapse of the EU battery car market

The latest August figures for the sales of battery cars in Europe show a big drop of 44%. The market share of battery cars has shrunk to just 14% with a fifth of those who bought one saying they may well switch back to petrol or diesel. The EU, like the U.K. was assuming battery cars would now be approaching a quarter of the market , with complete phase out of new petrol and diesel 2030 to 2035.

As some of us have been warning for years too many of us think battery cars are too dear, their range too limited, their recharging too difficult and their future likely to include new taxes to replace lost fuel duty. The second hand values are often poor causing depreciation problems for those financing peoples purchases. Hire companies report lack of demand with Hertz cutting back on its use of EVs.

The EU and the U.K. need to think again about their manic policy of ending their successful petrol and diesel car industries before there is a dominant market for battery cars and before the U.K./ European industry  can make affordable ones to compete with the much cheaper Chinese products.The EU and US have ironically decided to impose heavy tariffs to try to stop people buying affordable Chinese vehicles, whilst the U.K. with its import everything government  mentality welcomes cheap Chinese cars in to knock out our home manufacturers.

These latest figures show an urgent need to change policy and stop the attempted demolition of the existing vehicle industry.

74 Comments

  1. Peter D Gardner
    September 20, 2024

    Just listened to a podcast interview of Liam Halligan by Brendan O’Neil. It is not only Green Energy that demonstrates the economic illiteracy of the Labour Government. It is across the board. The motivation behind some policies can be explained by sheer nasty hate, like levying VAT on private schools, but most of it is just vacuous incompetence.

    1. PeteB
      September 20, 2024

      Agreed Peter – Labour policy at present appears to be based on ideology or idiocy. Both equally dangerous.

      The current electric car sales debacle shows what happens when Government imposes stupid rules on the population. I for one will be buying a used ICE car in the late 2020s and running it for as many years as I can.

      1. BW
        September 20, 2024

        They will price you off the road. With crippling VED, fuel tax and will invent further taxes, ICE engine tax supplement, they will ban all ICE cars from towns and cities making it impossible for you to park anywhere. They will ensure you comply one way or another. I sincerely hope that things change and common sense prevails as I don’t want to give up my ICE car.

      2. miami.mode
        September 20, 2024

        PB. Not sure that plan will work as manufacturers/dealers are apparently restricting sales of new ICE cars to avoid fines for not achieving required quota of electric cars. Used ICE cars will command a premium price.

      3. Mark
        September 20, 2024

        As far as I can detect, the ZEV mandate was hatched when Grant Shapps was Minister for Transport, and implemented under Rishi after Mark Harper took over. It is a Uniparty policy (to include the green blob in the Civil Service), not a Labour exclusive.

        The DfT is of course in true Orwellian fashion actually against transport. By causing manufacturers to withhold new vehicles from the market the policy moves us towards Cuban style transport at an accelerated pace. The Green zealots will be delighted by the outcome. Scarcity will drive second hand ICE prices upwards until EVs no longer seem expensive in comparison.

      4. MFD
        September 20, 2024

        That PeteB might fail if we do not fight now! Dont forget the talk of 15 min cities, and all things the dream of if we dont reject them and fight. That fight must be by all the White population as people on their own will be defeated.
        Do not forget the fighting young men are not coming here for nothing!
        However, I have started with a new car of MY choice and that will be for life as I am a few months of eighty.
        Being ex RN I still know how to fight, once taught never forgotten

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          September 20, 2024

          I have ordered my new ICE car. I made it plain that it’s was ICE or nothing.
          It’s a strangely confident small group of people who think they can take on 66 million.
          Off their rockers.

          Reply Well done. I’m sticking with an ICE car.

          1. Old Albion
            September 20, 2024

            I’m looking to replace my 6 year old ICE car with newer ICE car as we speak.

          2. PeteB
            September 20, 2024

            Agree on your approach Lynn. The others talk of the sticks government will use to force us out of ICE cars. See what happens to the economy and tax revenue if everyone simply keeps the car they have for 5 – 15 years rather than trading “up” to an electric one.

          3. Lifelogic
            September 21, 2024

            Why not just keep you old ICE car until forced of the road by Government legislation that is usually cheapest and best for CO2 too if that concerns you.

          4. Donna
            September 21, 2024

            I’ll be ordering my new ICE car next year.

      5. Original Richard
        September 20, 2024

        Pete B ;

        They will simply end your access to petrol and diesel. Just as they will simply cut off our gas supply for home heating once they have raised the price of gas to be uncompetitive with electrical heating.

        Never forget that everything must be done to save the planet. Your well-being is of no consequence in comparison. That’s why they’re working on “customer engagement” and “behavioural change”.

    2. Ian Wraggg
      September 20, 2024

      Shutting down the British car industry will be seen as a win by Milipede as it will reduce CO2 allegedly.
      As we slip back to the stone age we can just hope these tyrants are jailed after the next election. It’s sheer economic vandalism perpetrated by an ignorant Marxist cabal.

    3. IanT
      September 20, 2024

      Yes, it’s well worth a listen Peter!

      I think it’s quite clear that Labour came to power with a well formulated political strategy but that this does not (and will not) translate into practical economic, energy or foreign policies. In fact quite the opposite, as we are rapidly finding out. We now have equivelent of the left wing of the local student union sat on the front benches and trying out their pet political theories on us. God help us all!

    4. Lifelogic
      September 20, 2024

      Indeed the attack of private schools and non doms will not even raise net funds and will do huge net economic amd other harms. Private school users pay three times over with VAT four times over.

      Reasons not to buy an EV. Far more expensive, more depreciation, less practical on range, refill times, towing, higher road and tyre wear, heavier, slower braking and more tyre wear, need a new battery at circa ÂŁ15k after 8 years or so. Oh and they cause far more CO2 than keeping you old car.

      Reasons to buy to virtue signal and show you have more money than sense. Or the artificial company car breaks and government market rigging. Another insane policy.

    5. Lifelogic
      September 20, 2024

      Economic and scientific illiteracy and indeed illiteracy in general, listen to Lammy, Starma, Cooper and Miliband speeches.

  2. agricola
    September 20, 2024

    Asking government, EU or UK to switch its policy on EVs and Nett Zero in general to a more science, engineering, and market led approach, is akin to demanding the Pope deny the tenets of his Christianity.

    The answer, for our government in particular, is to allow their insane choices to lead to implosion. Put simply, there is a time limit to how long they continue to piss off the electorate, and I would be surprised if it is the five year norm. The EU might decide faster. Yes they have their share of zealots but the UK seems to have cornered the market in its current government.

    I hope the switch to sanity does not involve civil unrest. Civil disobedience, or the electorate largely going on strike Is something I do not rule out. Constraining the lifeblood of an out of control government, its tax income, is an acceptable way of returning it to a common sense set of policies. I hope sanity prevails before such action is seen as a choice.

    1. Peter Wood
      September 20, 2024

      Succintly put. To which I might add the ‘push’ to smart meters, which appears to be the planned ‘method of control’ needed to manage household electricity consumption owing to intermittency of supply from renewables. The tariff can be varied throughout the day to discourage or encourage use. So get used to having breakfast before 5.00am (it seems quite a few here already do!) and doing your washing after 11.00pm.
      Population Control – this is the subtext to this governments actions. But not for the Party Apparatchiks of course….

      1. Know-Dice
        September 20, 2024

        And you can be turned off remotely for “rolling power cuts”…

      2. Lifelogic
        September 20, 2024

        Why change the grid and metering to cope with an intermittent “renewable” supply when a pile of coal or a tank of natural gas or diesel can produce cheaper electricity that is generated when actually needed and is so worth far more and is more efficient and useable.

      3. Iain Moore
        September 20, 2024

        And they were all up in arms about Oasis selling tickets by dynamic pricing, which is just a different name to the demand management they are seeking to impose in us via smart meters.

    2. Dave Andrews
      September 20, 2024

      Very difficult to see how this government will pan out. We are in for a full five year term, as the Labour MPs will never vote for no confidence in the government when public sentiment is likely not to return them to office.
      Their hoped for growth won’t materialise, all the time they are wedded to higher tax and onerous employment law, meanwhile failing to get a grip on spending.
      This means ultimately the money markets will lose confidence and selling bonds will become unaffordable, as they continue to run up huge deficits.
      So we’re looking at begging at the IMF and maybe even defaulting on debt repayments (Rachel Reeves will be made a scapegoat and lose her job). Utter humility for the Labour government and the country by association.
      That’s what you get when you vote socialism.
      I expect they will blame it all on Brexit. Rather that than where they blame really lies – their incompetence and stupid ideology.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        September 20, 2024

        The was no alternative to voting socialism. There are the right-of-far-left-socialists, the Conservatives. There is the far-left-socialists, the Labour Party and then there is the left-of-far-left-socialists, the Liberal Democrats.
        Reform members need to vote Ben Habib into a position of serious power. Then they sat and a chance of producing a serious party, although not with this Constitution as is safeguards Farage as Leader. Unsackable – he learned that in the EU.

        1. Lifelogic
          September 20, 2024

          I disagree with Ben Habib on almost nothing, he read Nat Sci at Camb. then property I think so e have similar backgrounds. Only one in that I think Shemima Begin is our problem and we should deal with her. It was profoundly wrong to revoke her citizenship.

          1. Norman
            September 20, 2024

            LL – Interested to see your remarks about Shemima Begin. I agree entirely and hope it happens soon. To show mercy in this instance would be right, and a unifying moral victory for this once Christian country of ours.

    3. Peter
      September 20, 2024

      The governments are not acting on behalf of the electorate. They say things to get elected but once in power they continue to act on behalf of global elites and billionaire corporations that own so much of the wealth of western countries. Fewer MPs are conviction politicians. They are in it for what they can get for themselves and the status.

      Voters are ignored. A recent example was the protest against illegal immigration in Ireland. Politicians refused to engage with protesters, dismissing them as far right etc. Police were then sent in to clear the streets. Same policy as that invoked after Southport.

      I think more violence is inevitable, though I don’t think it will necessarily bring governments back to policies the electorate support.

  3. Mark B
    September 20, 2024

    Good morning

    State Central Planning has repeatedly been shown to not work. But the arrogance of those in power, especially the Left, never seem to learn.

    We do not have a British owned car manufacturer, Sir John, just a lot of foreign owned ones.

    But don’t worry, I am sure the government will find more ways to waste our money.

  4. IanB
    September 20, 2024

    Sir John – it mustn’t be forgotten that the market wasn’t created by need, it was created by 5he taxpayer funding those with money to have a new toy. The rich sponging of the poorer taxpayer. Once a volume was reached and the giveaway reduced so did the market.
    As I said it wasn’t out of a need for a battery car, it was because someone else funded a life style

    1. Mitchel
      September 20, 2024

      “The rich sponging off the poorer tax payer” – Feudalism!

      Our host says “the UK with its import everything government mindset”-that is-can only be -the product of an imperial/colonial mindset whereby colonies are forced to send their resources/output to the imperial power which sits back and consumes them without doing the toiling -neither rich nor poor,the latter kept quiet with the bread and circuses.This was the state of affairs in the late Roman empire where indolence replaced industry.In modern times -post WWII,and certainly following the demise of the Soviet Union-the colonial structure is the globalist financial system with the USA at the centre,rather than pure military oppression -although that is always there to discourage resistance.That is now rapidly breaking down as the US suffers imperial collapse,the resistance led by Russia grows in strength and BRICS provides an alternative system which most of the world(apart obviously from the US’s high dependency vassals-collectively ‘the West’)finds more attractive.

      This most certainly is not a Marxist system as a number of people on here seem to endlessly obsess about.It is inherently fascistic.

  5. DOM
    September 20, 2024

    An insightful article from our esteemed host but I would like to have seen some analysis about the political and ideological infection of major private sector industries by the political centre (Socialist planning parasitism), why and WHO exactly is responsible.

    When private companies are filtering their investment decisions though the prism of a perverted, decadent, warped and destructive political ideology rather than through the prism of investment analysis then it truly is game over for the free-market and our economy. Investments that are politically driven are not investments but Socialism in all but name and always leads to bankruptcy as we can now see at VW who are about to release 30k employees.

    Bureaucrats and their political partners are morons. They should stick to organising bin delivery times and the recruitment of nurses to wipe patients backsides rather than telling VW how to build vehicles and what type of vehicles they should build.

    The three maim parties and yes John, your party, are directly responsible for these forces being unleashed pandering all the while to international influence and persuaded by domestic voices of warped minds.

    Reply This is an independent not a Conservative site

    1. Mark
      September 20, 2024

      I think you pose an interesting question. I am greatly puzzled why The Cilmate Group of companies, spearheaded by BT and including Coca Cola, Unilever and Goigle are calling for Rreform of the greenwash REGO market to make it more effective in promoting renewables, partly by tying it more closely to time of generation. They complain of extreme price volatility, with prices having gone from a cheap virtue signal at ÂŁ0.20/MWh to a peak of ÂŁ25/MWh last winter, and now are around ÂŁ12.50/MWh. During Dunkelflaute periods there would be a great shortage of REGOs, driving prices sky high, or encouraging operations to shut down if left to a market. Inviting Miliband to enhance the back door subsidies for renewables is hardly going to help their bottom lines, unless they expect that the bill will be transferred to consumers instead.

    2. glen cullen
      September 20, 2024

      Agree – the big car manufacturers having been following the money, the subsidy, tax & grants from government and not looking to their customers for profit ….the decade of subsidy is declining, so they’ll shift back to making profit by making what the customer wants …and not what governments want

  6. Bloke
    September 20, 2024

    Shortly after the battery collapses, electric cars grind to a halt: unless they are towed by power leads.

    1. Lifelogic
      September 20, 2024

      Best to tow a diesel generator and some diesel behind you just incase. On I forgot EV are hopeless at towing too.

    2. glen cullen
      September 21, 2024

      Would they be the same replacement batteries that cost more than the vehicle

      1. Bloke
        September 21, 2024

        Yes. Pulling all that expensive weight around serves no sensible purpose. If EVs powered with a triple-A battery from Poundland delivered the same performance as petrol or diesel motors, they would be worth considering. Their long road before then is like pushing water uphill: worthless trying. A 1965 Austin Mini is far superior.

  7. Michelle
    September 20, 2024

    Demolition is the desired effect I fear and not just of the car industry.
    I have tried to find reasons to assuage my deep concern that this ancient nation and its people have not been marked for demolition, but everywhere I turn I see little to comfort me.

  8. David Andrews
    September 20, 2024

    The “manic policy”, as you accurately describe it, of the government ending the production of ICE vehicles has probably already sealed the fate of the industry as we know it. The utter stupidity of the UK political class is beyond belief.

    1. Berkshire alan
      September 20, 2024

      +1

    2. MFD
      September 20, 2024

      +1

  9. Donna
    September 20, 2024

    The Establishment, here and across the EU, are learning the painful lesson that they can make manufacturers develop EVs, but they cannot make people buy them.

    They are too expensive and too impractical for the vast majority, who do not have a garage/driveway/home-charging facilities. In every way, they are inferior to petrol-driven vehicles.

    The Establishment’s supposedly “Unstoppable force” is coming up against the Consumer’s “Immovable Rock.” The difference is that the Establishment could change policy; whereas consumers who cannot afford/charge/ operate with an EV simply won’t buy one.

    “NO” is a powerful word. If consumers continue to say “NO” the European car manufacturers will go to the wall. And, whilst the likes of Miliband may delight in closing down Nissan in Sunderland (although with Reform coming second there in the GE, they may think twice), I’m not sure the Germans will want to sacrifice VW, Audi, BMW and Mercedes on the altar of Net Zero.

    1. Christine
      September 20, 2024

      I agree. Consumers need to take a stand. I could easily afford a new EV and install a charger, but I refuse to be lectured by a bunch of ignorant politicians whose mantra is “Do as I say, not as I do.” I believe it’s far better for the environment to keep running my 14-year-old diesel-powered car while it’s working perfectly.

  10. MPC
    September 20, 2024

    All of the Tory leadership candidates support Net Zero, the overarching enabling framework for the destruction of the car industry. So they won’t advocate a change in policy and Labour will continue on the present path. To paraphrase Peter Mandelson, ministers and shadow ministers are intensely relaxed about the devastation being wrought.

    1. Christine
      September 20, 2024

      Voters need to switch to The Reform Party as they are the only politicians with a sensible plan who oppose the net-zero nonsense. Their conference starts today at 12:15 and is being streamed on social media. They have some excellent speakers lined up. It is well worth a listen to find out an alternative future for our country.

    2. Atlas
      September 20, 2024

      It certainly seems so. It is what happens when religious fervour takes hold.

  11. Roy Grainger
    September 20, 2024

    You omitted to mention the very high insurance costs for them given their batteries are expensive to replace if damaged and indeed are prone to catching fire and writing off the entire car. I believe the majority of EV purchases are by fleet buyers rather than by individuals, so the failure to convince buyers is even greater than the figures of numbers of EVs sold might suggest.

  12. Old Albion
    September 20, 2024

    Another predictable symptom of the ‘net zero’ policy and ‘Co2 is going to kill us’ nonsense.

  13. David+L
    September 20, 2024

    I had to laugh at the comment made on one on-line discussion about EVs. When it was pointed out that rapid technological progress will make current EVs less attractive to buyers in a few years and owners are told that their vehicles “aren’t supported by the latest software” (as smart phone owners are often told to induce them to buy new ones) one chap said that the only sensible way to run an EV was to lease one and replace every three years! So much for being “green”. Thankfully, although my winter heating allowance has gone the taxpayer funded breaks for corporate purchase of EVs is still in place.

  14. Everhopeful
    September 20, 2024

    Electric, petrol
 whatever
I suspect that this latest EU law will severely impact manufacture worldwide.
    EU Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive (CSDDD)
    It requires companies over a certain size to comply with climate change action and the rest of the dogma all the way down the supply chain ( ie every smaller business that deals with them).
    In the case of countries that say they can’t comply
you know, the ones that still use coal and worse
well any foreign company wanting to do business with them has to pay for necessary changes (electric transport, windmills etc) to be installed.
    Assuming I am reading this correctly how can the law NOT finish off western industry?
    There appears to be literally no escape from it.

  15. G
    September 20, 2024

    Yes, batteries are not ideal. Far better to explore alternatives.

    Problem is the business environment is so ruthless here it’s not worth bothering. It would all end up being sold out to the highest foreign bidder anyway…

  16. Bryan Harris
    September 20, 2024

    This is a classic case of political decisions overriding technical capability – hence the chaotic state of the new car market.
    Just like EV’s are not up to replacing petrol and diesel vehicles, so the confounded blight on our landscape we call windmills will never replace the current power generating plants to provide adequate energy. Everybody can see this, even the political morons who insist we keep our coal and oil in the ground!
    Are they eventually going to say the same thing about potatoes and carrots.

    With our political class digging us ever deeper into a hole we cannot get out of, it seems that we are doomed to return to the times when coal was a novelty and to keep warm we stayed in bed covered by hides.

    We all know why this insanity is being piled on us, the only question is how do we stop the establishment from completing their destructive goals?

    1. Lifelogic
      September 21, 2024

      +1

  17. glen cullen
    September 20, 2024

    The European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA) said sales of new battery-powered electric vehicles (EV) in Germany plunged by nearly 70pc to 27,024 in August.
    In France, the EU’s second largest market for battery electric vehicles behind Germany, deliveries fell by 33pc to 13,143.
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/ and published in the telegraph newspaper

  18. glen cullen
    September 20, 2024

    This is what happens when governments intervenes and doesn’t allow the consumer to decide what products to buy 
.freedom of choice above all else, our politicians have forgotten that preferring ‘social engineering & subsidy’

  19. Sharon
    September 20, 2024

    I think, apart from the practical issues with EV cars, people are waking up to the climate scam, and won’t buy an EV on principle.

    Chatting to people randomly in odd places, shops, hairdressers etc. it’s surprising how sceptical and suspicious people are with all things ‘climate’!

  20. DOM
    September 20, 2024

    ‘EV Demand In Germany Crashes 69%’..20 Sept 2024

    without subsidies (aka bribes and political lies) products such as EV and heat pumps die a death simply because THE CONSUMER DOESN’T WANT TO BUY THEM. This is why Marxist politicians and their lackey bureaucrats in government will EVENTUALLY IMPOSE USING THE CRIMINAL LAW and at that point you will see an almighty kickback from people who have had enough of being dictating to by UN aligned Globalist rats

  21. Original Richard
    September 20, 2024

    “These latest figures show an urgent need to change policy and stop the attempted demolition of the existing vehicle industry.”

    Make no mistake, this policy, as with all Net Zero policies, is not an unfortunate consequence but the sole reason for Net Zero which is to de-industrialise, impoverish and control through the rationing of food, energy and transport.

    It’s not simply the transition to evs that is the goal but the ending of private transport.

    The transport minister in 2021, Trudy Harrison, MP said :
    “Owning a car is outdated ’20th-century thinking’ and we must move to ‘shared mobility’ to cut carbon emissions”.

  22. formula57
    September 20, 2024

    As we know from their announcements, GM, Ford, Volkswagen, Volvo and other manufacturers are pulling back on EV production amid stalling global sales.

    It seems hybrid powered vehicles are popular, including plug-ins, but the popularity may well be driven in part by lack of choice from manufacturers whose pure ICE offerings are often limited.

    The June 2024 McKinsey Mobility Consumer survey (not including the UK) found the percentage of EV owners “very likely” to return to ICE vehicles was: –

    49 % in Australia
    46% in the USA
    38% in Brazil
    28% in PRC
    24% in Germany
    18% in Norway
    18% in France
    15% in Italy
    13% in Japan.

    It seem the overriding concerns were the poor state of charging infrastructure (35%) and the high cost of ownership (34%).

  23. Original Richard
    September 20, 2024

    It’s not simply the transition to evs that is the goal but the ending of private transport.

    In the UK 80% of local grids are only capable of supplying 1 – 2KW continuously to each household according to a consultant research engineer (Eng.D) from Southampton University in written evidence to a Parliamentary Committee studying evs. Although meter boxes are fitted with 80 amp fuses (18.4 KW at 230v) this power consumption is only possible if it is for random amounts at random times which will not be the case when heating and transport is electrified. His conclusion was that evs could only be owned by 1 in 7 households even when staggering the supply to 7KW chargers and this was not taking into account the 4-5 KW needed for heat pumps running 24/7 in winter. The engineer said that heat pumps were not feasible at all without upgrading the local grid as they impose even more load than evs.

    https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/82722/html/

    The lack of capacity in the local grids also makes impossible that we can benefit from “cheap” renewable electricity from ToUTs (Time of Use Tariffs) when the wind is blowing and the sun is shining.

    As I write {10:14 am) the 31GW of installed wind capacity is providing 6 GW and the 17 GW installed capacity of solar is providing 2GW.

    1. Original Richard
      September 20, 2024

      PS : “Cheap” electricity from renewables (when the wind blows and the sun shines) will not benefit UK consumers as the CfD contracts mean that the renewable suppliers will be getting anyway their contracted CfD price/constraint payments. In fact, as has been happening, excess supply will be to the benefit to those countries to whom we will be exporting our electricity as it will be at negative prices as this will cost less than the constraint payments.

    2. Lifelogic
      September 21, 2024

      Indeed plus we have the heat pump huge winter demand problems if people all switch to them. We might need 10 times as much energy for the few very cold winter days. This grid and generating capacity then wasted for the rest of the years. Vast capital expenditure needed but then largely wasted. Our excellent existing gas grid also then largely wasted.

  24. ChrisS
    September 20, 2024

    The inevitable response from governments such as ours will be to raise fuel duty and road tax on IC-engined cars to unaffordable levels in a vain attempt to force voters to buy an EV. It will not work.

    We will have to break the habit of a lifetime and come out on the streets in our Vestes Jaunes to peacefully protest. It is about time that a British Government was taught a lesson that you can only push people so far.
    ( Immigration being the other obvious area of dissatisfaction with all parties at Westminster. )

    I suspect that the Reform Party will start the process of fuel protests if Reeves raises road tax and fuel duty in the budget. The Conservative party will probably sit on its hands because, in reality, they agree that we should be forced into EVs, Heat Pumps and every other example of the lunacy of Net Zero. I have my Veste Jaune ready.

  25. RichardP
    September 20, 2024

    The electric car was never meant to provide transport for the masses. Even if windmills provide enough electricity (unlikely), the infrastructure cannot be created.
    They are trying to take our transport, our homes, our savings and our bodily autonomy. We will have nothing and will be very (un)happy!
    It’s up to us to thwart their plans before it’s too late.

    1. Mitchel
      September 20, 2024

      I thought they were designed to deliver milk to the masses.

  26. Francesca Skinner
    September 20, 2024

    I fear unless something is done to stop Politicians and this Net Zero madness, this country will be left relying heavily on imports leaving us vulnerable to World events and destroying our economy, with very little prospect for future Growth and future Generations.

  27. David Andrews
    September 20, 2024

    Current EVs use an immature battery technology, dependent on hazardous lithium ion gel batteries. A dozen or more varieties of safer and potentially more efficient solid state batteries are currently in development. If these work as their developers hope it will take three years or more for car manufacturers to test them to their satisfaction as well as to re-engineer current EVs to take advantage of the benefits they may offer. A safer solid state battery will eliminate the need for the protection (against fire) of current gel-based batteries, saving significant weight. Longer range solid state batteries will also save weight. The idea that such improvements can simply be implemented by politicians passing laws and regulations requiring them to be available by a specific is fatuous. Whether next generation EVs will prevail against ICE vehicles is an open question that should be decided by the market not by ignorant politicians.

    1. Lifelogic
      September 21, 2024

      When lighter, quicker charging, longer lasting, larger capacity batteries arrive all well and good. But to roll out duff tech now with market rigging is insane. The physics, chemistry and pace of technology changes is what it is.

  28. David Frank Paine
    September 20, 2024

    We will keep our old petrol cars for longer, which in turn creates a local business or career opportunity for skilled mechanics with old fashioned diagnostic abilities together with engineering companies with the capability to refurbish worn out components or manufacture new ones.

    1. Original Richard
      September 20, 2024

      DFP :

      They will end the availability of petrol and diesel and even if they don’t resort to this extreme tactic they can further restrict where ices can be driven and raise VED and fuel taxes to such a high level that evs become cheaper to run than ices even if less practical. Only the wealthy will be able to enjoy ices.

  29. ChrisS
    September 20, 2024

    Never mind the high initial price, inconvenience and short range of EVs.
    No matter what extra costs Reeves puts on the use of our existing petrol and diesel cars, it will pale into insignificance compared with the very high depreciation on an EV, bought new or secondhand.

    There is only so far Labour can go before we go down the route used by the French and take to the streets to protest en-masse. A rise in both road tax and fuel duty in the budget will be all it will take.

  30. Ukretired123
    September 20, 2024

    “The EU, like the U.K. was assuming battery cars would now be approaching a quarter of the market , with complete phase out of new petrol and diesel 2030 to 2035.”
    In the brutal commercial competitive world there are several elementary red lines never to cross for your survival before you you dip your toes in the shark infested waters that the Public Sector always ignore e.g.
    1. Never Assume and if in doubt check it out, otherwise it makes an Ass of U and Me (especially in Financial, Engineering and many other fields).
    2. Before (betting the Farm on anything) big-time like diving in headfirst and finding you are in trouble up to your neck, throw a proverbial pebble seed-corn and see what happens.
    3. The strength of any system is its weakest link. Test to destruction ideally and confirm “Proven” status before proceeding esp bridge building etc.
    4. Only change one thing at a time to ensure you can isolate any problem.
    5. Never just throw money at a problem (as you become the problem).It
    6. Plan ahead for failing to plan ensures you will plan to fail.

    There are many more tripwires and traps for the unwary as many successful people have risked their careers and overcome. Many of today’s politicians and public sector organisations never learn from this but sadly and we inherit a legacy of incompetence and debt. They keep making the same mistakes gaining promotion until they run out of taxpayers money. Witness Gordon Brown’s Labour, Birmingham and Bristol city and other local authorities, the NHS etc……
    With EVs the ultimate new source of electricity’s Holy Grail was assumed to have be invented already by Politicians who convinced themselves worldwide by groupthinking ahead of each other the utopia of perpetual motion and energy to the point of fictional nonsense.

  31. Derek
    September 20, 2024

    Despite the relevant data pointing to a collapse in electric vehicles, the “genius” Miliband, still intends to force us to cut back on our own petrol-driven cars. Numerous studies have suggested that there are not enough materials on the Earth to manufacture sufficient renewable sources of energy to cover our existing needs. And, as usual, with these AGW activists, he does not produce figures to support his contention.
    Why doesn’t an MP in the HoC ask him why we are doing so much to reduce our emissions to zero when we only throw out 0.8% of the Global total? UK net zero will do nothing to affect the global totals yet we are being taxed and taxed on his crusade and this household can’t afford to change to EVs. EVER. And we will not buy Chinese, they’ve given us too much already. Like Covid.

  32. IanB
    September 20, 2024

    Just read the write ups of speeches from Reforms Conference. They seem ‘to get it’s, they appear to want to represent and serve.
    Obviously they are the opposite of Labour in every way, but in their own words and aims they highlight that the Parliamentary group of so-called conservatives are just Labour clones – the Uniparty. We have seen from the faux leadership contest the Parliamentary group is holding is looking for only presenting a continuity of everything they failed on, just to be Labour without the Union support.
    What is so hard about supporting the UK, it’s people and wealth creation. Working with not attacking and fighting with ideological and personal embittered punishment?
    The observation is that those that are out there talking, listening, even hearing those they wish to represent are the ones that will ‘earn’ votes

  33. Linda Brown
    September 22, 2024

    Need to get rid of Miliband to sort out car industry. Then get rid of Labour to sort out net zero. We might be going somewhere sensible then.

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