Confidence is always vulnerable to bad government

Why didnā€™t the PM and Chancellor see that telling us Things will get worse was bound to put people off spending and investing? Why didnā€™t they think forward to their October 14 th Investment summit when they want to tell the world investing in the U.K. is a great idea?

Why did they think making up a large number for a deficit which they could not back up with credible numbers was going to help? In their rush to trash everything about the finances and government to blame the Conservatives why didnā€™t they see that would alarm everyone with prospects of more taxes and spending cuts to come? Ā When will they take responsibility for what is happening, as they can change anything they want to as quickly as they wish?

The Chancellorā€™s speech failed because it was still looking both ways. It both said there are plenty of opportunities ahead whilst continuing to argue the government will need benefit cuts and tax rises to battle the alleged budget black hole.

If she really wants faster growth she needs to cut taxes and boost benefits to those in need. She needs to get more people into work and off benefits. She needs to tackle the disgraceful waste and bad spending in the public sector. She could start by slashing losses at the Bank of England, the nationalised Post Office and the nationalised railway and HS 2.

 

It is her choice to lose billions on bonds. Her choice to continue with public sector management of rail that needed. Ā£ 33 bn of taxpayer cash last year. Her choice to allow the public sector to charge taxpayers Ā£20 bn more for inefficiencies on top of the inflation if wages and costs.

68 Comments

  1. Mark B
    September 24, 2024

    Good morning.

    When will they take responsibility for what is happening . . .

    Why should they ? Will take resposibility for all the bad things done in the last 14 years ? Probably not, and why should you ?

    As I keep saying, Sir John, they don’t care !!! It is their turn now and, they can just blame the other lot whilst doing and not doing what the other lot have and have not done – Simple !

    As the money drains away they will have the excuse to bring in measures that they feel would combat it. Measures of more State control. More Tsars, more QUANGO’s etc. Less accountablity.

    We’ve got 4-5 years of this, so better get use to it.

    1. Ian wragg
      September 24, 2024

      So the prison officers association is giving Ā£10,000 to Cuba in solidarity with their counterparts. Makes you weep doesn’t it.

      1. MFD
        September 24, 2024

        Yes sir! the whole shebang makes me sick. we are governed by a bag of total incompetents.
        We need a method of governance where two sides have to get the ok from the public in general. Iā€™m not sure how the Swiss governance works but it must be better that our bunch of corrupt and incompetent beings

    2. Peter Wood
      September 24, 2024

      Yes, this incumbent crowd are even more arrogant than the last lot; refusing their own supporters request for a vote on the winter fuel allowance until the end of conference. Nothing must be allowed to disturb the presentation of the ‘Plan for Renewal’ from Top Comrade. We will see low level apparatchiks exceeding their authority with impunity, as the police recently did for a nasty media post.
      I’m beginning to think my own country will soon become unrecognisable, and unliveable as the power gets turned off.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        September 24, 2024

        Or even before thatā€¦

  2. Peter
    September 24, 2024

    ā€˜ When will they take responsibility for what is happening, as they can change anything they want to as quickly as they wish?ā€™

    I think the plan is to blame the previous government for as long as possible. They probably think it is early days for taking responsibility. They will get the unpleasant stuff done as quickly as time permits, while downplaying big pay rises for favoured groups within the public sector.

    1. Cynic
      September 24, 2024

      Labour believe in the same policies and direction of travel as the previous government. Their problem is that the election has shown them how unpopular these policies are. They now have nowhere to go, and are floundering.

      1. Lifelogic
        September 24, 2024

        They have even worse policies the same but faster and even more of it. Total insanity in immigration (no deterrents at all), net zero lunacy even higher taxes, even more government, even more red tape…

    2. Berkshire alan
      September 24, 2024

      +1

  3. agricola
    September 24, 2024

    As I said yesterday, the speach was full of rhetoric, but contained little of substance appart from the usual veneer of nastiness and envy to keep the audience happy.

    With a mere minority share of the electorate she has nothing to say to the electorate at large or specifically those she would wish to invest in GB Ltd. I reserve my final judgement to her budget at the end of October, but it does not look good.

    1. Lifelogic
      September 24, 2024

      It certain does not. She even mis-declared her substantial clothing gifts as help for her office so as to deceive.

      Then we have Angel Eagle (PPE) calling about 80% of the country’s inhabitants racists! Just because they object rather to open door low skilled, often non English speaking immigration levels that push up housing costs, increase crime levels, decrease living standards, over crowd schools, roads, the NHS, … and they are all expected to pay for. Why might they object slightly do you think Angela?

      “Top Tories and Trump helped create ā€˜overt racismā€™ in UK, says Labour minister
      ā€˜Toxic discourseā€™ against asylum seekers gave ā€˜yellow flashing lightā€™ to racists, Angela Eagle tells the Labour conference” What a truly appalling women Ms Eagle is. I have though this for a long time from many of her other comments.

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/sep/23/top-tories-and-trump-helped-create-overt-racism-in-uk-says-labour-minister

  4. DOM
    September 24, 2024

    Reeves and her party have a political and ideological plan whose purpose is to change the fundamental nature of our nation and its wider culture forever, the cost to the taxpayer and the economy is of zero consequence. You would think that most seasoned political commentators would have noted and highlighted this simple fact.

    Why our kind host continues to focus on cost and spending is beyond me. You would think a more nuanced analysis focusing on the ideas behind such a revolutionary change would be far more enlightening.

    Labour is an existential threat, why any prominent Tory cannot say so on a public platform is beyond me. The evidence to support such a claim exists, in the past and the here and now. The Tories don’t want to take this step, far easier to endorse the extremist status quo in which repugnant woke ideologies are unleashed to target certain identities. Who will now defend us? It isn’t the Tory party who endorse the existence of Labour irrespective of their crimes

    Reply This is not a Conservative site. I provide analysis of the U.K. economy to highlight why it underperforms and how the UK state is a nasty monopolist overcharging, delivering poor service, running up huge losses and dragging U.K. productivity and real incomes down. Go elsewhere if this is not what you want, otherwise temper your rants.

    1. Philip P.
      September 24, 2024

      Reply to reply: SJR, by asking about the party in government ‘Why don’t they see, why don’t they understand… etc.’ you are raising questions about the Labour mindset. I think these are valid questions, which go beyond economic issues, and invite answers which inevitably have to do with progressive socialist ideology. I would like to see you suggest some answers.

    2. hefner
      September 24, 2024

      DOM, Dear prophet of Doom, are you going to serve us the same piece of c**p everyday these next five years. If you look at other European countries, there have been times when a more or less left-wing government had or has been in power there, whether in Spain, Italy, France, Sweden, Portugal, ā€¦ and even if in the heated mind of yours you think that all of the ā€˜Ten Plaguesā€™ had fallen upon their populations all these countries survived/recovered /are surviving/recovering.

      And could it even be that a number of those countries might be better places to live in than in the UK?

      1. Hat man
        September 25, 2024

        What’s ‘left-wing’ got to do with it? Maybe you haven’t noticed, Hefner, but the political fault lines in Europe have changed a lot since we were growing up. Mitterrand and Brandt are long gone. The ideological divide is surely now between national-sovereignist and globalist. Politicians like Starmer who say they are happier with the WEF at Davos than in their national parliaments, versus those ranging from Farage to Sahra Wagenknecht who want to return more power to the nation state. In France, Macron and Melenchon respectively represent the new political scene, and the traditional ‘left-‘ and ‘right-wing’ parties are moribund. In Germany things are rapidly going in the same direction. You might find it worth your while to have a look at what’s happening abroad.

    3. Mickey Taking
      September 24, 2024

      reply to reply….’Reeves and her party have a political and ideological plan whose purpose is to change the fundamental nature of our nation and its wider culture forever,’
      Dom makes perhaps the most disturbing and possibly the hardest aspect of this new regime to reverse (I struggle to call it a Government).

      Will you address it in future articles?

      1. Ian B
        September 24, 2024

        @Mickey Taking – that is the ‘Great Reset’ master-plan put forward by 2TK’s(he has stated he prefers them to Parliament) unelected masters at the WEF

  5. Bloke
    September 24, 2024

    ā€œThings will get worseā€ is a self-fulfilling Labour prophesy.

    1. Ian wragg
      September 24, 2024

      Bloke, liebour will make sure things will get worse, particularly for the non client state. The number of dinghy dwellers will rise now mainland Europe is cracking down. All those arriving will be funnelled to Calais where our so called taxpayer funded charities will aid the crossing.
      Public sector threats will continue as they all strive for parity in wage rises, energy taxes will rise to freeze us out.
      The current 5 year road to net zero plan enshrined in law will see us hounded off the road and unable to afford heating.
      Be prepared for an almighty kick back from Joe Public when it dawns on them how they’re being shafted. Southport will be little more than a warm up act.

      1. Donna
        September 24, 2024

        I dread to think what will happen if one (or more) of the criminal migrants commits a real terrorist act …… with multiple casualties.

      2. MFD
        September 24, 2024

        I often look at the gun emplacements from WW11 and think ā€œyes! my fathers generation had the right answer.
        That is the action we should be doing now if we had leaders with guts to take all action needed

    2. Wil
      September 24, 2024

      ” ā€œThings will get worseā€ is a self-fulfilling Labour prophesy.”

      Then they can promise to Build back Better.
      Where have I heard that before?

    3. Mickey Taking
      September 24, 2024

      someone else claimed ‘Things can only get better’ – – but they didn’t.
      And we still bear the scars.

  6. Berkshire alan
    September 24, 2024

    They are laying down a marker for failure, the Prime Minister has already said he needs 10 years, so at the next election he can double down on that, by saying things were so bad it has taken them this long to start to correct matters, which are now working through the system to better times for all ahead.
    Thus vote to let us continue.
    Frankly I do not see a credible Conservative leader waiting in the wings, the true opposition will be Reform (if they do not internally combust)
    Voting conservative will get you Labour again sadly as indeed it did this time around.

    1. Ian B
      September 24, 2024

      @Berkshire alan +1
      As things are today I cant see you being wrong on anything you just noted.

  7. herebefore
    September 24, 2024

    Think we’ll have to allow for a post budget time to see how things go – it’s early days yet but the government needs to knuckle down now and get on with the job instead of allowing themselves to fall into these waste of time distractions – accepting perks etc

  8. Sharon
    September 24, 2024

    I was watching Rachel Reeves’ face during her speech and listening to her tone of voice. She’s a hard nosed person, delivering a message that if you don’t like it, tough! And when anyone crosses her she’s furious! That was my take anyway!

    She really doesn’t care about the impact her deliverance will have on people’s lives!

    1. MFD
      September 24, 2024

      Agreed Sharon!

  9. Sakara Gold
    September 24, 2024

    “If she really wants faster growth she needs to cut taxes and boost benefits to those in need”

    Exactly. Maybe if the last Conservative government had done so, the Tories would still be in power.

    I note that sterling vs the $US has risen from 1.26 in July to 1.33 last night; so far the markets appear to like Labour’s fiscal proposals. This increase has made imported hydrocarbons much cheaper for UK consumers. So why has the price cap just increased by 10%?

    Reply The pound has gone up because markets expect interest rates in The Euro area and US to fall further and faster than the U.K. where wage and service sector inflation is getting new impetus from public sector wage settlements. The pound has been rising all year.

    1. formula57
      September 24, 2024

      @ Reply “The pound has been rising all year” – indeed so, and a constant source of anxiety for me lest it showed Brexit was more of a success than the remoaner class could handle.

    2. Original Richard
      September 24, 2024

      SG : ā€œThis increase has made imported hydrocarbons much cheaper for UK consumers. So why has the price cap just increased by 10%?ā€

      This is to pay for the subsidies/increased prices of renewables. The recent AR6 renewables auction gave CfD 2024 prices of Ā£82/MWhr for offshore wind, Ā£71/MWhr for onshore wind, Ā£70/MWhr for solar and for floating offshore wind (the PMā€™s preferred option) Ā£195/MWhr. These prices are all above the average wholesale price for 2024 to date of Ā£64/MWhr, which is set by the price of gas generated electricity.

      In addition our electricity prices need to rise because the National Grid has requested Ā£220bn for the decarbonisation upgrade. This also does not include costs for any electricity storage (there is no plan anyway for any grid-scale storage) nor for the costs to upgrade all the local grids which currently do not have the capacity for heat pumps and evs.

      Electricity prices will need to rise much, much further unless the Government adds the extra costs to gas prices or to general taxation.

      1. MFD
        September 24, 2024

        large scale energy stopage is really not an option for the grid! every change from one energy source to an other has a lossā€” that is not what anybody wants ā€” especially when it is all a scam just to put our money into the pocket of corrupt men in the WEF! Their aim is to steal our money as they have done up to now

      2. Original Richard
        September 24, 2024

        PS :

        The PM said in his speech today at the labour Conference :

        ā€œClean British energy is cheaper than foreign fossil fuels. That means cheaper bills for every family in the country. But also a chance to make us more competitive across the board.ā€

        This is a lie.

  10. Roy Grainger
    September 24, 2024

    The only strategy they have is “Blame the Tories”. The Education Secretary was tweeting only yesterday that absolute academic achievement in schools had fallen over the past few years all due to the Tories apparently – rather than the global pandemic and lockdowns (which she was very keen on) which caused a fall in all other Western countries too. The relative ranking of the UK against those other countries actually increased under the Tories. Blaming the Tories doesn’t constitute a plan for education – it is just pointless electioneering when there is no election and will be thrown back at her when things get worse rather than better.

    I think one very major misstep they made was caving in immediately to the train drivers with a 15% increase and the doctors with a 22% increase. Who now can blame the nurses for rejecting the independent pay review board 5% increase – why shouldn’t they strike to get 15% or 22% ? Why shouldn’t they get the same as someone whose job is to sit in a chair all day and press a few buttons (and who earns double what National Express coach drivers earn) ?

  11. George Sheard
    September 24, 2024

    Hi sir John
    I’m 78 years old all my life I have seen my parents struggle to bring us up they both worked
    in my life every government have made life hard I have worked lucky not to have been out of a job my wife worked hard so we could buy our own house and give our children a good up bringing
    Although I’m know a pensioner the government is going to make my life harder just because I am a pensioner and still paying my taxes
    I lie, awake at night worried for my grandchildren and their children
    I have seen vast areas change to different cultures where the rules don’t apply
    we the working class have not stood up for ourselves because of being call racist
    I’m happy to see that there some people are know standing up BUT the damage to the uk is done and un repairable
    Well I feel I have had enough and only see one way out I’m finding it harder to carry on
    Thank you

    1. Donna
      September 24, 2024

      Yours is the true voice of the working class George. It sounds as though you and your wife brought up a lovely family and they will be your strength now. Hard times come and go …. but family is forever. Keep on, keeping on.
      X

      1. Diane
        September 25, 2024

        +1 Donna – & to George: Never give up George, there are plenty of us unseen, unheard all around you who care as you do and often feel the same. Let’s all keep doing our bit in caring, maintaining our awareness & engagement and challenging whatever needs to be tackled when presented with idiocy. Stay strong.

    2. Berkshire alan
      September 24, 2024

      GS
      Indeed, you would think Governments of all colours would support people who strived to better themselves, often going without and living within their means, for the sake of a long term better future for themselves and their children.
      Sadly the government sees them now as cash cows, available to finance their own wealth redistribution plans with an ever rising tax take, and then inheritance tax set at a level which would not purchase a one bedroom flat in London.
      Legalised theft on our tax paid earnings and savings, and the ever changing goalposts on allowances and tax systems, make planning a secure future for your kids now almost impossible.
      One is forced to ask do the Government actually want people to be self sufficient ?

  12. Dave Andrews
    September 24, 2024

    In answer to your first question – because the man is totally unfit for the office of PM.
    I will be pleasantly surprised to learn about anything he does is sensible, but I won’t hold my breath. What he needs to do is appreciate his limits and resign.

  13. David Andrews
    September 24, 2024

    The Daily Mail claims that Mike Lynch, boss of the RMT, wants the trades unions to take control of the UK economy. With the pay rises already won, they must be pleased with their start. The direction of travel is clear. The TUs demand, the government caves in.

    1. Mickey Taking
      September 24, 2024

      Well I assume he and the various union leaders will increase all wages to the train driver level, and provide free travel for all.
      What’s not to like.?

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        September 24, 2024

        They also need to create a ā€˜jobā€™ for all of us! Then we can say there is nothing not to like.

      2. Mickey Taking
        September 24, 2024

        oh! and I suppose they will figure which rich people will pay for it all, before the rich abandon us to their stupidity.

  14. formula57
    September 24, 2024

    There are of course good grounds for pessimism about the economy for the fundamental measure of success, real household disposable income per capita, has hardly increased over the last c. fifteen years.

    That performance is, as you will know, an unwelcome contrast to what had been the norm, when that same measure doubled between 1948 and 1978 and nearly doubled again before the 2008 Great Financial Crash. So we have seen no real growth since 2008, are as a result now around forty per cent. poorer than had prior trends continued while suffering from failing public services and an onerous tax burden.

    Optimism is important and I offer some pleasing information recently found that cheered me up a bit: the Bahamas government will fast-track residence applications for those buying local property priced at more than USD 1.5 million.

  15. Bryan Harris
    September 24, 2024

    It’s all political theatre to confuse us and distract attention from the moves they make behind the scenes.

    Moves like:
    – Signing us up for the UNā€™s Pact for the Future.

    Yesterday, attendees at the opening of the two-day of the United Nations (ā€œUNā€) Summit of the Future adopted the Pact for the Future (ā€œPactā€) by consensus.

    This is another mechanism that will allow UN influence to creep into everything we do – consider it the slower path to a UN dominated world government. The pact is full of woke ideology and will require that governments listen to UN advisors to “protect the future”.

    So yes, HMG is up to no good – they have just signed away another part of our future, with more parts to come.
    Certainly incompetence has a hand in the way HMG makes announcements, but confusion is now a government tool.

  16. Ian B
    September 24, 2024

    Sir John,
    while I understand your drift and it probably identifies well with Labour. But most of us didnā€™t miss Hunt/Sunak fabricated a similar situation by enforcing cost rises on the Country through a similar sleight of hand to suggest that then later they had stabilised the situation so as to ease taxes later. All this of course in mind with an election coming up. If they hadn’t played politics with our money used it for electioneering we would all be better off.

    Now that labour has copied them, although with more zeal, the clear intention is to suggest everything has got miraculously better after a short period and they need rewarding with another term. But as with their predecessors nothing has/will change and they finish up with more money to throw around. This time they have a BoE fully in their camp, now not giving UK Taxpayer money way to make a political point.

    Its Parliament that is rotten, they allow government to neglect management, to neglect expenditure.

    Having a Parliament dominated by the UniParty, means the lack off effort any off them needs to put in becomes zilch. Rather than think for themselves they still believe their bosses at the WEF should pull the strings and not the electorate. They all fight rather than work with and for the UK. My old hobby horse if not everyone’s outside of Parliament, NetZero brought to us and owned by the UK Parliament, imposing costs and retribution on the people of this land that none of our major competitors have to endure. They all of them are forcing the export of UK Jobs and UK wealth for no gain.

    Reply I criticised the last government and urged it to change when they were in office. Now I comment on the new government as the Conservative Party has no power and little influence so far.

    1. Ian B
      September 24, 2024

      @Reply – Sir John I always recognised and appreciated your position on this. My remark weighs into the logic that Starmer/Reves are mimicking Hunt/Sunak. Manipulate a bad situation then say you cured it, when it is the market and people that achieve it either way. Both sets of numpties end looking better ‘to some’ when the reality is their results are less than if they left well alone.

      1. glen cullen
        September 24, 2024

        We have continuity social government, thanks to the Tory Parliamentary Party ā€¦.I blame them for what weā€™re about to receive & endure for the next five years

  17. Donna
    September 24, 2024

    Unfortunately, they will be able – with some justification – to blame the Not-a-Conservative-Party for quite some time to come, since 14 years of aping Blair/Brown and running a Blu-Green-CON (plus the completely unnecessary Covid Tyranny) DID wreck the economy, and a great deal else besides.

    However, their complete inability to foresee the consequences of their moralising, negativity and above all their actions is going to do for them very, very quickly.

    I very much doubt that Two-Tier-Free-Gear-No-Idea-Keir is going to be Leader for very much longer.

    1. Ian B
      September 24, 2024

      @Donna – while you have hope for 2TK’s outcome. The other half of the UNiParty is lining up for the continuity that failure that history has shown their candidates with their obscure loyalties has proven in practice they are the wrong candidate, therefore it makes them impossible to become mainstream Conservatives

  18. Original Richard
    September 24, 2024

    Why? Because it is the Communist/UN plan to impoverish the West and thereby control under a single, authoritarian, unelected government.

    The perfect vehicle is Net Zero as any amount of money can be justified to be spent and wasted ā€œto save the planetā€. Even crazy ideas such as extracting CO2, the gas of life that greens the planet thereby increasing crop yields, directly out of the atmosphere and burying it underground. A process that could hardly be less ā€œsustainableā€ and is definitely a far greater danger to the planet than some mild warming returning the planet to its historically higher average temperature.

    There is no CAGW. They know this which is why they refuse to allow any discussion on the subject and unfortunately not only the current government but also the two main Opposition parties follow this delusion like turkeys voting for Christmas.

    If we still retain a democracy then eventually the voters will reject the Net Zero Strategy to ration energy, heating, food and transport and elect a party to cancel it. The country will then go into a boom as taxes and restrictions disappear.

    Net Zero doesnā€™t apply to China as they already are an authoritarian Communist state.

  19. RichardP
    September 24, 2024

    Letā€™s face it, if you want inspiration and motivation from a speech you need Nigel Farage.
    Labour robots reading out Big Brotherā€™s words in monotone voices wonā€™t give the country confidence.

    1. Mike Wilson
      September 24, 2024

      I have no idea if I am typical – but I have no idea what is going on ā€˜at conferenceā€™ – because, despite being interested in politics all my life, I am now so disillusioned I have absolutely no interest. I have heard it all before. I only come to this site to read the comments – to reassure myself that there a few sane people left.
      Which makes me wonder – I think few people under 40 would ever tune in to party conferences – and (I think) many people over 70 are tuned out. The only people who really take an interest are party members. Weirdly, they seem to think the whole country hangs on their every word.

      1. Mickey Taking
        September 24, 2024

        By accident my viewing has been limited to catching the nasty woman being interrupted by a heckler.
        I don’t intend to witness any more.

      2. Know-Dice
        September 24, 2024

        I couldn’t watch Mr Starmer [I have no respect for a salaried civil servant to call him Sir]… Watched a brilliant program on NHK World about watching customers in a resturant in Japan. Much more educational than the rubbish coming from labour.

  20. a-tracy
    September 24, 2024

    “This Britain belongs to you” slogan. Does it? Does it really? It certainly doesn’t feel that way. Are we all ready for next month’s budget to be ‘painful’? Consumer and investor confidence are both falling sharply; what did they expect?

    It feels like Britain belongs to the Unions now. They can strike and disrupt our services, as the nurses demanded this week. Mike Lynch is reported to have said, “The complete organisation of the UK economy by trade unionsā€”thatā€™s our aim.ā€ “The private sector is in retreat.” The doom and gloom by Reeves and Starmer has been over-egged. “Tax revenue stable at 33% from 2010 to 2019 is now 36% and rising” IFS.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      September 24, 2024

      I donā€™t want ā€˜this Britainā€™.

  21. glen cullen
    September 24, 2024

    113 irregular immigrants arrived in the UK yesterday from the safe country of France ā€¦..

  22. dixie
    September 24, 2024

    In answer to your first paragraph – “Why didnā€™t the PM and Chancellor see that telling us Things will get worse was bound to put people off spending and investing? Why didnā€™t they think forward to their October 14 th Investment summit when they want to tell the world investing in the U.K. is a great idea?”

    .. Because they are stupid or malevolent or both

  23. forthurst
    September 24, 2024

    Is the Labour party any more focused on domestic issues than the Tories instead of getting on board with the US warmongers and wasting more of our money on assisting them in their illegitimate ambition for world hegemony? We have spent Ā£12.5 billion on propping up the Zelensky regime, a US client in the US struggle to weaken Russia and ultimately to destroy the state so its wealth can once again be pillaged and then broken up into twenty powerless statelets; now David Lammy wants to attack Russia with our Storm Shadow missiles whilst suggesting that Mr Putin is bluffing once again in threatening dire consequences in response. So far Biden has been resisting but now we have hotheads in the Tory party as well suggesting that we should ignore Biden and attack Russia anyhow.
    When will these so-called mainstream parties start to address the issues that chronically bedevil our country and have been getting worse for decades instead of trying to start WWIII?

    1. Chris S
      September 24, 2024

      I would move to Russia, if I were you, forthurst.
      You would feel right at home, but just don’t post any comments like you have here : you will end up in a Siberian labour camp.

      1. Mitchel
        September 25, 2024

        There are no “Siberian labour camps”.

      2. forthurst
        September 25, 2024

        I recommend you move to Ukraine and fight for what you apparently believe in. Me, I want to live in a country with politicians who put the interests of the English people way above those of foreigners.
        As for my posts, they are moderated by JR who allows a range of comments on any topic, not just those of the average Sun reader.

  24. Margaret
    September 24, 2024

    They don’t understand politics.To them the job is separate from humanity.They are blinkered fools who see politics as buildings and roads and cars and railways . They think power derives from violence and negative competition.We need more who actually understand ethics and philosophy.

  25. IanB
    September 24, 2024

    The chancellor, just as her previous incumbents just don’t/doesn’t get it, the removal of money from the economy simply takes money from the economy. Adds to costs depresses growth. As with all Governments this century they refuse to manage, they refuse their prime tool of management – expenditure.

    The chancellor has appeared to give the likes of Ed Miliband the access to the nations earners income to throw it around without any consideration to cost and benefit. A policy of forcing by Law and penalties the removal of perfectly good functioning and cost effective goods and services out of the country on an ideological personal and frankly lunatic thinking, beggars belief. We all know all the banned production, will just carry on abroad. Therefore the UK wealth and tax base will be relocated.

    It is simply to control expenditure, it is simply to create wealth – the throw away from that is an active economy and real tax growth, the ones that move us all forward and frees up resources

  26. IanB
    September 24, 2024

    The Prime Minister also said criticism of the way he runs his Government was ā€œwater off a duckā€™s backā€.

    ā€œPolitics can be on the side of good, politics can be on the side of truth and justice, politics can secure a better life for your family through the steady and uncompromising work of service,ā€ he said.”

    Deluded, incompetent fool. Only the deluded Political Class, would even manipulate that as the meaning of Government

  27. IanB
    September 24, 2024

    “British industrial energy costs are 74pc higher than in the United States, and 32pc higher than in France. “. The UK has the highest price for energy in Europe.
    The UK taxpayer is also forced to pay foreign Nationalise industry to undercut our own – there is no commercial reason just spite by UK Governments.
    UK governments do not control expenditure, they throw ‘our’ mine and your money away and call it being in control

  28. mancunius
    September 24, 2024

    In their rush to trash everything about the finances and government to blame the Conservatives why didnā€™t they see that would alarm everyone with prospects of more taxes and spending cuts to come?
    It seems to me it’s the other way round: their firm intention was and is to drive taxes up so as to visibly, performatively hurt the sectors they can’t stand (pensioners, private schooling, savers, investors) and splurge on their public sector voters (see union pay increases conceded in a trice!). They have to find an excuse for this and when it’s not the vague ‘mandate for change’ the PM repeats like a parrot, it’s the ‘unpredicted hole in the finances left by the previous government’.
    …Which incidentally should hang its collective head in shame for having let down the country by failing in office and letting wet, globalist and remainer Tory MPs dictate its policies.

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