The rule of the OBR has given us misery

It is time to change the OBR driven control system. It is said to control the build up of debt and to keep the U.K.  state solvent. Strange then that over their years of influence state debt has grown massively, huge sums of money have been printed, we have lived through a nasty inflation, and debt interest costs as they report them have leapt up. To make it worse U.K. growth has been almost as bad as the EU’s, falling way behind the USA.

The central OBR control is absurd. Government has to set out tax and spending proposals to give a falling state debt relative to GDP five years out. So budgets revolve around an OBR forecast of a deficit in five years time. The figure is bound to be wrong as no one can forecast that figure reliably. OBR forecasts of nearer term deficits are regularly out by large margins. The five year target is a moving target, shifting out another year as each year passes, so the accuracy of the original target forecast is irrelevant. It does however lead to a permanent bias in official advice against any so called unfunded tax cut. There is no similar pressure against many unfunded spending increases. There is no pressure of any kind to get the Bank of England to lose less, and no effective power to cut the losses of nationalised rail or the Post Office.

We need a new system that controls current year and next year spending and borrowing better. The new government saying current spending and current revenue should balance is a start. Their wish to be allowed to borrow more to invest only makes sense if what they invest in goes on to make returns. Borrowing to do more HS2 or Horizon computer type projects is a very bad idea. Leaving utilities investment to the private sector is a better idea than effectively nationalising them and discovering the state  cannot afford the investment and are no good at running them.

21 Comments

  1. Lifelogic
    September 29, 2024

    Anything the government considers a good investment almost certainly is not. Net zero, road blocking, renewables, loans for pointless degrees is all about tipping £billions down the drain. The way to invest well is to leave the money with those who mad it.

    Still some good new the appalling Cameron Appointment as Chairman of the Conservative Baroness Warsi has quit the party alas not the Lords.

    Also congratulation to Rosie Duffield.

    “Labour MP quits over ‘freebies’ scandal and Keir Starmer’s ‘cruel policies’
    Canterbury MP Rosie Duffield tells leader she is ‘ashamed’ of how ‘inner circle had tarnished and humiliated our once proud party’” but when were they proud? Prouder perhaps but alway wrong headed and doing more harm than good, an evil politics of envy party, legalised theft and wars on lies. Nothing much to be proud of.

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  2. agricola
    September 29, 2024

    The OBR is parallel unaccoutable government. I can understand it as a CS function to ensure that the UK towed the line on EU financial dictat, but we have been out a while now. It would seem that government and the CS are happy to continue with such subversive action. Be in no doubt, it undermines democracy, and covers for the responsibility of government to run the finances of the UK. Its existence begs the question of what is the purpoose of having a Chancellor and Treasury.

    It was undoubtedly elements in the OBR, Treasury, and BOE who did for the Liz Truss government which was trying to create an enterprise and entrepreneurial economy to trade our way out of defecit constant increases. Reform will need to cull these quangos to be able to implement its own solutions to our economy. They must end unelected government should they gain political power.

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    1. Lifelogic
      September 29, 2024

      It undermines “democracy” well yes it does, but is a vote every five years or so for MPs under a distorting FPTP voting system. One that means you often have to vote not for what you want (in order not to waste your vote) and this based on a manifesto of lies that they will not even try to deliver. This is not Power to the Demos is it. Look back at the last 5 Tory Manifestos of blatant lies. The leadership candidates say thinks the Tories lost the trust of voters. No they actually smashed them in the face repeatedly treating them with complete contempt.

      Whomever you vote for The Blob Wins as Lord Matt Ridley correctly put it in the Spectator. Now to be edited by Socialist nutter, Greta disciple, fan of VAT on school fees, net zero… the daft English Graduate one Michael Gove.

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    2. Ian wragg
      September 29, 2024

      I think now liebour are in the OBR will show its true colours
      Like most Quangos it’s left wing and will be more receptive to a liebour chancellor. No doubt unfunded spending will become acceptable unlike during the Truss period.

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  3. Lifelogic
    September 29, 2024

    So King Charles hops up to Edinburgh (by bike or walking I assume) to celebrate the disaster of 25 years of the Scottish half parliament. The building project had an initial budget of £50 million which ballooned to around £260 million within two years. Eventually, the building cost £414 million. That just the building the people in it cost hundreds of time more.

    Has anything other than negative disasters come from this “investment”? Thanks Tony Blair.

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    1. Lifelogic
      September 29, 2024

      A Labour Government Should FRIGHTEN Us All. To Save Britain We Must REVERSE Blair’s Revolution

      David Starkey video on the New Culture Forum.

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      1. agricola
        September 29, 2024

        Yes LL, Winston’s quote on socialism is truer today than when he made it. Look it up.

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        1. Lifelogic
          September 29, 2024

          “Some regard private enterprise as if it were a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look upon it as a cow that they can milk. Only a handful see it for what it really is–the strong horse that pulls the whole cart.”

          Or “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

          ― Winston S. Churchill

          ― Winston Churchill

          or

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        2. Lifelogic
          September 29, 2024

          If You Are Not a Liberal When You Are Young, You Have No Heart, and If You Are Not a Conservative When Old, You Have No Brain’

          The trouble with socialists is they rapidly run out of other people’s money. Or of people with any money to steal off them.

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    2. Lifelogic
      September 29, 2024

      Labour killed the Constitution; time for a Restoration: is another excellent David Starkey video.

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  4. Lifelogic
    September 29, 2024

    It is time to change the OBR driven control system.

    It certainly is and the Committee for Climate Change driven net zero lunacy.

    They did get rid of Osborne’s Office for Tax Simplification after they had at least doubles tax complexity.
    Philip Hammond )alas now in the Lords a reward for abject failure) says on Any Questions he supports growth policies. Nothing remotely pro-growth from May and tax to death Hammond when in office. Far more into reversing in all but name Brexit, pushing the net zero lunacy and increasing taxes everywhere.

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  5. agricola
    September 29, 2024

    Then it must be ended with their dissolution and a return to democratic financial control by elected government. The OBR, an infected Treasury, and BOE are a hangover from EU control, so effective remedial surgery upon their existence and ongoing purpose is required. Do not anticipate this from our current Chancellor, she is a product of the infection. Reform are the only tool for such action.

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    1. Lifelogic
      September 29, 2024

      Well yes but Reform ever gain power and if they do will they deliver what they promise and more than the Tories did. They Tories for 14 years did not even try to. The unequivocal covid vaccine and lockdown enthusiast, the dope Sunak even threw in the towel six month early.

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  6. agricola
    September 29, 2024

    This is the third posting this morning. I precis it as a need to return to democratic financial control by an elected Chancellor.

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  7. agricola
    September 29, 2024

    This is the third posting this morning. I precis it as a need to return to democratic financial control by ain elected Chancellor.

    Reply I have posted all your postings. No need to repeat them.

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    1. agricola
      September 29, 2024

      R ti R
      It is their capacity for apparent disappearance that caused all the repetition. Additionally my name and email address also repeatedly disappeared. It proved that once frustration had set in, it was possible to use far fewer words than at first thought necessary.

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  8. agricola
    September 29, 2024

    This is the third posting this morning. I precis it as a need to return to democratic financial control by an elected Chancellor.

    Why does the posting only appeare after posting and moderation. Something is very odd this morning.

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    1. Everhopeful
      September 29, 2024

      That happens to me all the time. Every time I try to post something.
      And quite often it never reappears. Ever.
      Oh and my name always disappears so I have to put it in each time.

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  9. Mark B
    September 29, 2024

    Good morning.

    It is time to change the OBR driven control system.

    No ! It is time to shut it down ! We managed well enough before, Gideon Osborne crated this, ‘Jobs for the boys’ QUANGO and is has been shown to consistantly fail. If such a creatre was in the Private Sector it would have been axes long ago. But since it is in the public Sector and it is not properly held into account, it is aloud to continue.

    Why ?

    We need a new system that controls current year and next year spending and borrowing better.

    We already have such a system, but it does not work. It is called, ‘Parliament’. I wonder if you have ever heard of it, Sir John ? /sarc 😉

    Our system, such that it is, relies on people of good character to operate, with suitable checks and balances in place, it can be made to work. But since the Blair ‘reforms’ and the fact that we no longer allow people of good concience anywhere near power, it will always be sub-par.

    To that end we need to seperate the Executive from the Legislature. With the latter holding the purse strings. Then we the people can better control government via the ballot box.

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  10. R.Grange
    September 29, 2024

    The OBR has surely done one good thing. Earlier this month, it revealed that low-wage migrants – who form the majority of migrants according to the Centre for Policy Studies – are a net drain on the public purse, each costing taxpayers more than £150,000 up to age 65. And that’s without the cost to the public purse of their numerous dependants. The OBR made long-term tax and spending projections showing that a low-wage migrant worker arriving at 25 and earning half the UK average wage ‘becomes less fiscally beneficial than the average UK resident in their early 40s’.
    What’s the Labour government’s view on this? As usual, doing the opposite of what they said. Before the election Starmer said Britain should be less reliant on low wage migration. But in July, his government relaxed visa rules making it easier for foreign bricklayers, roofers and joiners to migrate here. The government wants more houses built, so…. it brings in more migrants to build them. And why do we need more houses? Because of high migration, as even the OBR admits. Lewis Carroll would love this.

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  11. Donna
    September 29, 2024

    The OBR (one of Osborne’s “bright” ideas) is part of the Quangocracy which is intended to prevent anything vaguely approaching democracy from being implemented in the UK. They are not working in the interests of the UK.

    How do you solve a problem like the OBR? You abolish it.

    When it comes to spending on infrastructure, the lunatics in Government should reinstate the plans to tunnel at Stonehenge. On Friday I travelled home from holiday and hit the usual tailback on the approach to Stonehenge but this time the traffic didn’t start moving when drivers passed the stones. Shortly before an accident had occurred at Winterborne Stoke and closed the single lane heading west. After half an hour of barely moving, the police set up a Stop-Go and after another half an hour I crawled through it.

    In the 21st century, on the major trunk road to the West Country, we rely on the police setting up a manual Stop-Go system in order to keep the traffic (barely) moving. Why on earth didn’t the last Government get on with it and get the work started instead of wasting £tens of billions on the Vanity Rail Line to nowhere!

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