If we were still in the EU budget pressures would be much worse

Today facts4eu.org publishes good research showing how much more we would be paying if we were still in the EU. We would also be responsible as members for their big build up of debt. The last thing the U.K. needs is a further debt burden.

See https://facts4 eu.org/news/2024 oct Brexit saves rachel reeves

25 Comments

  1. David Paterson
    October 15, 2024

    But the UK still needs to rid itself of ECHR

    1. Lifelogic
      October 16, 2024

      And Sunak’s Windsor Accord, net zero and everything this even more appalling government than Sunak’s is proposing.

    2. Lifelogic
      October 21, 2024

      Indeed it does and to ditch net zero.

      When Wes Streeting first came to my attention he seemed relatively sensible and bright for a Labour MP anyway. True he has tweeted things in the past rather worse than the woman sent to jail for 31 months. But he said the odd sensible thing about the dire NHS and was against Blair’s counter productive wars.

      But then he started telling people to shut up about the clearly unsafe conviction of Lucy Letby so as to protect alleged “victims” feelings – rather an evil suggestion in my view. But yesterday he really showed us how daft he is:- He said people need to go to GPs who cost ÂŁ40 per visit and not A&E which costs ÂŁ400.

      Why, if someone, who only needs a GP visit goes to A&E why should it cast anymore for them to get 5 mins with a doctor and perhaps a prescription at A&E. Let alone 10 times as much as it does at the GP? Junior doctors are paid less than GPs too.

      This the man who is in charge of NHS reforms. He has other rather silly gimmicks, gadgete and talking shop plans too.

  2. George Sheard
    October 15, 2024

    Hi sir John
    Please tell starmer that he wants us back in the EU

  3. Peter D Gardner
    October 15, 2024

    Excllent report from Facts4EU.

  4. Ian wragg
    October 15, 2024

    Two tier, free beer, no idea Kier doesn’t want to know this. The EU represents nirvana for socialist being part of the big reset project.
    Roll on Trump to inject some sense into this legtard world.

  5. Ian B
    October 15, 2024

    If we were to leave the EU the looming budget would have naturally be much better. Less EU Laws and Regulations would have released industry and businesses and taken pressure off finances. We would be growing so would the inflow of tax without having to contrive new ways to steal from those hardest hit.

  6. Ian wragg
    October 15, 2024

    So the EU are implementing a Rwanda style deal to manage immigration
    I bet there won’t be any eleventh hour challenges from the ECHR.
    Also Google are ordering SMRs to power their AI centres. Milibrain prevaricates with our home grown technology letting others advance. Priceless.

  7. Lifelogic
    October 15, 2024

    Indeed if we ditched net zero, the ECHR and stopped wasting tax payers money hand over fist, reduce low skilled immigration, ditched all the loans for worthless degrees about 75% of them, stopped the net harm Covid Vaccines still being pushed… we would be rather.

    Alas the 14 year of incompetence by Cameron, May, Boris, Sunak… have given us the even worse Starmer.

    Note to Rachel Reeves:- an increase in employers NI is a tax on hard working people. An increase in CGT for landlords is also a tax on hard working people as is Net Zero. You say you want “growth” but all your actions are hugely against growth and hugely damaging too as is abolition of Non Doms, VAT on school frees, worker rights bill, the tenant rights bill… are you a complete idiot, a blatant liar or just an economic vandal?

    1. Ian B
      October 15, 2024

      @Lifelogic – all tax is the removal of the the ability to have an economy. Controlling expenditure and reducing the State is releasing wealth onto a Country and ’causes’ real growth. But then you like the rest of us know that

  8. Lifelogic
    October 15, 2024

    The last thing the UK. needs is a further debt burden.
    Or even more taxes, even more government, even more red tape, even more employments laws or worthless degrees and student debts, or even more of the mad net zero religion… or a Labour Government full of blatant lies and anti-growth policies in all directions.

    1. Lifelogic
      October 15, 2024

      But that is what the Tories bequeathed us with their 14 years of Con-socialist light lies, net zero fraud, Covid incompetence, vast immigration levels, rip off energy, red tape everywhere, restrictive planning and absurdly high taxes.

      Well done Cameron, May, Boris and Sunak thanks for nothing!

  9. agricola
    October 15, 2024

    I am sure you are right, however we still enjoy the detritous of past membership and the malevolent intensions of those entrusted with our exit from the EU. With hindsight, and from memory advocated by you at the time, we should have left to trade under WTO rules. The balance of duties paid would have been in our favour.

    Then there is the mass of EU regulation still on our statute book and smothering our economic recovery. I do not see labour correcting this while cosying up to the EU despite all their smooching talk for investment the exessive tax regime will remain, causing real industrial rennaisence to come to little. Final verdict on 30th October.

  10. Stephen Phillips
    October 15, 2024

    Link doesn’t work and there seem to be lots of facts4 websites

  11. Stephen Phillips
    October 15, 2024
  12. glen cullen
    October 15, 2024

    It still doesn’t feel like we’ve left, especially if you live in NI

    1. Lifelogic
      October 16, 2024

      Indeed.

  13. Berkshire Alan
    October 15, 2024

    “If we were still in the EU…….”
    No surprise to anyone sensible John, as the Germans are now finding out.
    You only have to look at the huge cost of their Parliament in two locations, the huge wage/salary bill for Member politicians, the thousands of employees, the overheads and expenses, and the ever growing waste and debt, and the one size fits nobody type of policies.

  14. glen cullen
    October 15, 2024

    If all the net-zero budget/spend sacrifices we’ve endured over the past decade have proved useless in decreasing atmospheric co2 …..what’s the point in continuing with a flawed spend strategy https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2

  15. mancunius
    October 15, 2024

    The government’s attempt to pretend that employer NI does not affect ‘working people’ is beyond contempt. Apart the crass attempt to stir up class resentment, pretending to ignore the fact that employers are not only risk-taking entrepreneurs but also working people, someone will hopefully eventually point out that it will cause unemployment for the ‘working people’ the government claims to be protecting, as employers discover that the cost of labour is now uncompetitive, and are motivated to seek AI solutions or simply downsize.
    Many, many folk will lose their jobs as a result of this ill thought-through increased measure – a Labour tax on labour..

    1. a-tracy
      October 17, 2024

      They’re using the excuse that employment taxes are much higher in France and Germany.

  16. formula57
    October 15, 2024

    Surely so but if we could not have enjoyed some French-style indulgence to facilitate our non-compliance with any budget rules meanwhile, come the day of reckoning we could look to the German taxpayers to bail us out. Now instead we have to confront reality and pay our own way eventually. The inhumanity!

  17. Fran
    October 15, 2024

    Apples and oranges – swings and roundabouts –

  18. Will in Hampshire
    October 15, 2024

    Yes, it’s undeniable that contributions to the EU budget as the ‘wealthier-than-average’ Member State which it used to be are not what the country needs to be making right now. Foreign development aid is conceptually the same: in both cases Britain pays for economic development in other countries, either because they may become significant export destinations for British companies in the medium term or because it makes voters feel good about themselves. Personally, I’ve always favoured the first justification over the second and in my view making payments to the EU for this purpose has paid off, in the sense that the Central and Eastern European countries have become reasonably large markets that are prosperous enough to pay for high-value British products.

  19. Donna
    October 16, 2024

    Yes.

    But it would have been a great deal better if we’d really LEFT and hadn’t been stitched up with a “deal” which effectively makes us an associate member.

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