The tyranny of international lawyers

A series of cases in the Uk have seen judges twist human rights law to allow more people to remain who entered as illegal. migrants. The latest case allowing Gazans to qualify under a Ukraine scheme was sufficient to even  draw the PM ‘s criticism.

The UK has often in the past been careful not to put itself at risk of foreign judgements making it do things we disagree with. The International Court of Justice cannot judge matters between us and the Commonwealth, making a Chagos judgement out of order. The UN Law of the Sea does not apply to  us in any defence matter.

In more recent years we casually gave away too many powers to the European Court of Justice. These have now been reclaimed by Brexit. Time was when if the ECHR found against us Parliament would overturn the judgement, as with votes for prisoners.

Keir Starmer advised by Attorney General   Hermer seems keen to side with foreign complainants and courts wherever possible. He needs to grasp that the public want to stop the flow of migrants and expect Parliament to legislate a fix. He should see we must keep the Chagos  as there is no legal power to find against us.

Many in government say they are prevented from acting owing to Hermer telling them of dangers of judicial review. As they are the government they must legislate to deal with over activist judges.

 

128 Comments

  1. agricola
    February 14, 2025

    Lawyers feeding on the honey pot of legal aid are a bane to our very existence. However there are too many in Parliament to end the gravy train. Parliament should be the ultimate court. We do not need a supeme court or ECHR to hamstring our democracy .

    1. Lifelogic
      February 14, 2025

      Blair’s various constitutional reforms (and wars) were all a total disaster. Indeed Blair and Brown did almost nothing but huge harm. Alas further continued by Cameron, Clegg, May, Boris, Sunak and Starmer.

      David Starkey: Tony Blair Destroyed the Old Britain
      17 Oct 2024 — Host Laurie Wastell speaks to Professor Starkey about New Labour’s constitutional revolution; why Margaret was mistaken to view Tony Blair as her heir.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        Mrs T didn’t, it was Blair’s claim.
        Unfortunately Mrs T left no heir – or at least she disinherited those who would have been her rightful heirs.
        We have paid a monumental price, still do.

        1. Lifelogic
          February 14, 2025

          Much talk about Rachael from accounts and was she an economist. She did get 4 A (before A stars) in Maths, F Maths, Economics and Philosophy and has two degrees with economic as part of them all be they only Oxford PPE and an MA at the LSE. So surely rather brighter than nearly all labour MPs. But anyone who joins the labour party clearly has not really grasped economics.

          Thatcher left as her “heir” John ERM fiasco Major who failed nearly all his O levels including maths.

          Then again Denis Healey got a double first in Greats but still thought 98% income tax was a great plan.
          “there are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them” George Orwell was it?

    2. Prasad
      February 14, 2025

      Parliament is our supreme court, what it decides is the law. So stop worrying. The courts only intervene when the government breaks the rules set by Parliament (eg Johnson illegally proroguing Parliament). Keep your eye on this agricola, tyrants will often try to persuade you the government should be above the law, but it isn’t, Parliament is

      1. Denis Cooper
        February 14, 2025

        Not as simple as that when the UK Parliament passes an Act to approve an international treaty which establishes an international court whose judgements are final and binding on the government, which some then try to extend to the judgement also being binding on Parliament so that proposed legislation can be condemned as “illegal”.

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          February 14, 2025

          They retain the power to repeal that Act. Therefore they remain Sovereign.

        2. Prasad
          February 14, 2025

          Legislation passed by Parliament can never be illegal. You need to brush up on how the UK constitution works. Parliament is sovereign

          1. Denis Cooper
            February 14, 2025

            Not me, people like these:

            https://www.libdemvoice.org/why-has-nick-clegg-backed-plan-to-deprive-terror-suspects-of-citizenship-38025.html

            “Well, the cynic in me suggests that it neatly deflects attention from the abject failure of David Cameron to keep his right-wing backbenchers under control. So far he hasn’t been able to stop Dominic Raab and Nigel Mills from tabling amendments which, if passed, would render the Bill illegal as far as the European Convention on Human Rights is concerned. He is unlikely to be able to prevent a significant backbench rebellion.”

            “However, I feel even more concerned that we might end up with a Bill that is illegal, that doesn’t comply with European Union law. This, of course, would pump up the Eurosceptic right and put the Liberal Democrats in a very difficult position, quite probably, and correctly, arguing against public opinion. Could we seriously allow a Bill with which we fundamentally disagree, which illegally removes people’s human rights, to get on the Statute Book?”

          2. Peter D Gardner
            February 17, 2025

            It is sovereign only among institutions of the state. It is not sovereign over the people. It is their servant.

      2. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        +1

      3. Roy Grainger
        February 14, 2025

        Not true. Some of these judgements have been under ECHR and so Parliament can do absolutely nothing about them, except leave ECHR entirely which apparently is not the policy of either the government or the opposition.

        1. Denis Cooper
          February 14, 2025

          We could start by staying in the Convention but declaring that we no longer consent to be bound by judgments emerging from the Strasbourg court, and see what happens.

      4. Lifelogic
        February 14, 2025

        “The courts only intervene when the government breaks the rules set by Parliament” You do not really believe this do you?

      5. Peter D Gardner
        February 17, 2025

        The only authority parliament has is that of the voters. It cannot always be trusted not abuse it. The Rogue Parliament hid behind the protection of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 (Cameron and Clegg) to oppose and undermine and to connive with the EU in opposition to the decision of voters to leave the EU and to undermine the Brexit negotiations, culminating in the traitorous Benn Act.

    3. Ian Wraggg
      February 14, 2025

      Hermetic has no legitimacy. Parachuted into the job by his thick buddy.
      These judgements on Ghazans, Chagos and various illegals fly in the face of the British sense of fair play and tolerance.
      There is only so much stretch in the elastic and it’s pretty hear breaking point now.

    4. Ian B
      February 14, 2025

      @agricola As a society, a so-called democratic society, we elect, empower and pay our legislators to look after our and the Countries interest above all else. In practice, our MPs (the UK’s Legislators) our Government all neglect this first principle of their office – they are failing at their job.
      If the cant do the work they are paid to do they should resign. As it stands now, today we could get rid of the lot and be in a better place, that might take us in the wrong direction I would prefer the understood their job and where their loyalty lays and get on with it.

    5. MFD
      February 14, 2025

      agreed Agricola, we must throw a net over the foreign bullies, lift it and dump them in a pit, then do our own thing, they must be ignored.

    6. Peter
      February 14, 2025

      Great twenty minute speech from JD Vance in Munich today.

      Basically the tyranny of so-called democracies who don’t listen to voters whose views they dislike, or cancel elections for spurious reasons (Romania).

      He rightly had a go at Britain for prosecuting folk who pray silently near abortion clinics (or apparently indoors in certain areas of Scotland).

      He said Europe will need to pay.more for its own defence.

      Again he correctly scolded European leaders who allowed Europe to be flooded with non Europeans.

      The good thing is his voice carries the sort of clout that these people cannot ignore.

      1. Lifelogic
        February 14, 2025

        +1

  2. Wanderer
    February 14, 2025

    Whoever runs government after Labour needs to sort this out. It’s not just international law and lawyers, but domestic too. That means opting out of various treaties and jurisdictions, and going back to a more simple legal famework of rights, domestically.

    There is also the central question of the balance between the executive and judicial branches. Having a parliament stuffed with lawyers doesn’t help. There has been judicial overreach by politically-motivated judges here, egged on by their supporters in government. Would a new Bill of Rights help, since people don’t get just treatment in the Courts? I don’t know. But something must be done, and soon.

    On that note, I heard a very interesting Maiden Mother Matriarch podcast interview with government internal security adviser David Betz, the Professor of War in the modern world at King’s College. This mild-mannered, thoughtful academic thinks there is a serious chance of widespread civil conflict in the UK before the end of this parliament, due to a breakdown in the social compact, economic decline and changing demographics. The talk is clickbait-entitled “The coming British Civil war” but is well worth a listen.

    1. Mickey Taking
      February 14, 2025

      Many on here have alluded to the growing risk of civil disturbance, indeed unprecedented violence.
      Perhaps not civil war in that the term indicates two sides taking up arms.
      Protest and violence against the ruling organisations is anticipated.

    2. majorfrustration
      February 14, 2025

      I rather think that Betz is right

    3. Ian B
      February 14, 2025

      @Wanderer – you only need to confer rights on people if you in the first place choose to take them away.
      In English Law rights are only taken away by a democratically elected Parliament through the will of the people. The same structure allows for laws to be amended, again through the will of the people. England, the UK no longer adheres to English Law, yet the free democratic world does.

  3. Lifelogic
    February 14, 2025

    Indeed, but not just the tyranny of “international” lawyers and judges. It is not the rule of law but the rule of activist, self interested judges. Often getting rather rich while doing nothing but net harm with their two tier, no deterrent justice system, and violent criminals and people with violent mental health issue left in the community to continue their murdering, stabbing, car ramming and injuring of “the community”.

    1. Lifelogic
      February 14, 2025

      Often lefty lawyers in league with lefty politicians (as they nearly all are) and on the make duff regulators too all doing huge net harm. Essentially not just parasitic work (doing no good) but actually doing no good but doing huge net harm.

      Rather like the huge net harm Lockdowns and Covid Vaccines. Of which there is surely now no real doubt at all the stats are overwhelming as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. United States Secretary of Health and Human Services will surely expose.

    2. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      Often the worst cases don’t even reach the Courts, decided out of Court by lawyers – like Starmer.
      Pre-trial hearings re also a major problem, judges rule what is admissible without hearing the whole case. Often the critical proof is not thereafter allowed to be presented.
      Even police investigations are ringfenced. The MET McCann investigation could not look at the possible involvement of the parents.
      It’s absolutely gerrymandered. We need to set out in pursuit of justice, else the legal system is simply an impediment to obtaining redress for our grievances and the contract is broken.

    3. Stred
      February 14, 2025

      The judge in the case of a family from Gaza joining their uncle under an agreement for Ukranians is the son of a Guardian journalist known for his anti-israel stance. His political views should be vetted and judges making decisions on political reasoning need to be removed if democracy is going to work. Immigration cases should only be tried by a specialist court of vetted judges. Parliament has allowed judges to appoint themselves and this needs to change or we will have an alternative government.

  4. formula57
    February 14, 2025

    There is not, of course, any international parliament to pass laws and one of the distinguishing features of international law as distinct from domestic law is how it comes into being. That can include through political actions by States. Starmer should start acting in British interests and invite the international community to acknowledge the precedents and law he is creating.

  5. Lifelogic
    February 14, 2025

    The latest Dr John Campbell “Vaccine Juggernaught” video with the excellent Dr Ross Jones is well worth watching. When are the criminal investigation & charges starting into the vast net harm Covid Vaccines pushing – even at children?

    Excellent new that Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
    United States Secretary of Health and Human Services that Big Pharma has not been able to block his appointment!

    1. Donna
      February 14, 2025

      Yes, watching RFK Junior being sworn in while I type. I hope he raises the lid on the sinking cesspit of Big Pharma, Medical “Regulators” and Governmental representatives who created and pushed the experimental gene therapies, leading to the deaths and injuries of so many.

      1. Lfelogic
        February 14, 2025

        +1

    2. Richard1
      February 14, 2025

      I’d have thought some evidence of statistically significant ‘harms’ is needed for such a criminal trial. At the moment I believe the rate of claimed – NB claimed – harms is c. 0.05% of the vaccinated population. Of course anyone harmed should be compensated . And like any vaccine there are side effects for some people, tragic in some cases. Nor indeed should it have been given to children. But overall the stats are very clear – the covid vaccines saved lives and made people less ill than they otherwise would have been. If mr Campbell has other evidence & our host allows it please post it here.

      1. Frank
        February 14, 2025

        What evidence have you that the Vaccines saved lives???

        1. Richard1
          February 14, 2025

          See multiple studies by health authorities medical departments of universities etc.

      2. Christine
        February 14, 2025

        The level of harm bar is set so high that hardly anyone qualifies so people aren’t claiming compensation. Use the Yellow Card figures instead and extrapolate more accurate numbers. Also, look at the actuaries’ forecasts from life insurance companies.

        My daughter is vaccine-damaged and now has a life-altering condition. She has had no further response from completing the Yellow Card report even though they said a neurologist would look into her case. As an NHS worker, this experimental vaccine was forced on her in order to keep her job.

        1. Lifelogic
          February 14, 2025

          Very sorry to hear that. I now know 5 people with significant new post vaccines heart arrhythmias.

        2. Richard1
          February 14, 2025

          I am very sorry to hear that, I hope she recovers and that she is offered appropriate support and compensation. I agree it was quite wrong to mandate vaccines for anyone, including NHS workers.

      3. Lifelogic
        February 14, 2025

        So why did deaths in 25-45 year olds rise so significantly post vaccine and are still high it was not Covid!

      4. Lifelogic
        February 14, 2025

        “But overall the stats are very clear – the covid vaccines saved lives and made people less ill than they otherwise would have been.” Nonsense – the statistical evidence that this is totally wrong is truly overwhelming! They did net harm especially in younger people who were never even at risk and people who had already had covid.

    3. Rod Evans
      February 14, 2025

      Never has the phrase the truth will been more appropriate or necessary.
      Most rational people accept Covid 19 was a virus that had the potential to do harm as is the case of any virus what ever its origin. What no sensible person accepts is the manic some would say panic mindset adopted by our political class that led to absolute national damage beyond anything the Covid virus was capable of.
      We wish RFK well and trust his team to get to the bottom of this international man made disaster.

    4. Wanderer
      February 14, 2025

      Yes, it’s wonderful RFJ Jr and Tulsi Gabbard got confirmed. If only we had people of their calibre in our government!

    5. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      Nothing says ‘trust the science’ quite like a blanket preemptive pardon and exemption for being held liable (for big Pharma).

  6. Michael Staples
    February 14, 2025

    The suicidal empathy recently shown by certain immigration judges may be an issue. However, the broader problem is that Parliament has allowed too many general principles and rights to be available for judges to interpret. Not only have we exposed ourselves to Sir Keir Starmer’s favourite international law through UN treaties and the European Court of Human Rights, but Parliament has enacted broad rights into the Human Rights Act, Equality Act, Climate Change Act and others, delegating their interpretation to the courts and the decisions of democratically elected ministers to judicial review. MPs have only themselves to blame for judicial overreach.

  7. Sayagain
    February 14, 2025

    We can’t get away from the fact that we are at least partly responsible for this mess in the Middle East with the unfortunate Balfour Declaration made in 1917 and then the follow up disastrous Mandate. Afterwards In later times Tony Blair joined with Dubya Bush in stirring up Iraq and Afghanistan and consequently the whole Middle East looking for pretend WMD and if that was not enough Cameron then played his part by joining NATO in bombing Libya – so in a word plenty of tyranny here for international lawyers

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      So wrong! We named the whole area ‘Palestine’ when we assumed the UN mandate to govern the area, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO NATION OR TRIBE OF THAT NAME.
      The whole of Jordan, Syria, Israel was Palestine.
      The few Arabs who lived in the Gaza Strip have multiplied exponentially because they have lived off the resources created by the Jews in Israel. But they are NOT an indigenous group different from what we now call Jordanians etc.
      The arabs of Gaza must go to live in a different part of ‘palestine’ because they state that they are a permanent threat to the existence of the Jews in Israel whose they intend to exterminate.
      They have rejected ‘a state in Gaza’ for 30 years. They demand that there is no two state solution, they want a one state solution with the eradication of Israel.
      Trump has called their bluff.

      1. Mitchel
        February 14, 2025

        Absolute garbage.Those territories,also including Lebanon,were carved out of Ottoman Syria.

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          February 14, 2025

          The Ottoman Empire was a while ago. They were defeated. Did you miss that?

        2. Mitchel
          February 14, 2025

          Palestine (Syria Palaestina) was the name given by the Romans to greater Judea after Jerusalem was sacked and the Jews expelled. It fell out of use after the Arab conquest of the Levant.

          1. Lynn Atkinson
            February 14, 2025

            And we resurrected that name BECAUSE NO TRIBE WAS CALLED BY THAT NAME.
            Even when the Jews were expelled there were always Jews in Jerusalem and the rest of the Holy Land, just as there were always a few Arabs in the same area.
            Israel and more is the ancient and ONLY home of the Jews. It is recorded in the Bible. They were in Israel at least 1,500 years (recoded) before Islam was invented.
            Thank you for making my point.
            Whittinghame, Balfour’s home where the Declaration was signed, should be a place of pilgrimage.

      2. hefner
        February 14, 2025

        The name Palestine appeared in the 5th c BCE in some writing by Herodotus describing the area between what was the area of the Phoenicians and that of the Egyptians, both having been around for centuries if not millennia.
        After the Roman presence in that area (from the end of the 4th c. CE) during the Byzantine period, there were Palaestina Prima, Palaestina Secunda and Palaestina Salutaris.

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          February 14, 2025

          But no Palestinian tribe. That’s the point. That’s why we chose to use that name.
          Thank you Hefner.

          1. hefner
            February 14, 2025

            Strictly speaking there was no real Jewish tribe either apart from the 12 tribes of Israelites of the biblical narrative. In 920BCE the ten Israelite tribes of the North abandon the religion and finish as captives of the Assyrians (720BCE). Only the tribes of Judah and Binyamin regroup in the Jerusalem area. Follows a defeat by the Babylonians (586BCE), an exile of the Jewish population who won’t be coming back before the end of the 6 th c BCE but a large majority prefers to stay in exile (diaspora). So by the time of the Roman occupation (1st-3rd c CE) only 6k Jews are left, with 8k Christians and 500k ‘pagans’ there.
            By 1914 the population is 94k J, 70k C and 525k Muslims.

  8. Sea_Warrior
    February 14, 2025

    I seem to recall a principle of ‘crown immunity’ from the distant past. I’m beginning to think that it should be brought back. Is there a lawyer here?

    1. Wanderer
      February 14, 2025

      @Sea Warrior. Why? What’s King Charles done now?

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        Worse – crown immunity exempts the Government machine from its own laws!

  9. Sakara Gold
    February 14, 2025

    An excellent analysis of the way international lawyers and a supposed “independent” judiciary operate against the British national interest. To which I would add the many miscarriages of justice which have come to light over the past twenty years – every one of which was presided over by a judge.

    1. Mickey Taking
      February 14, 2025

      I judge the people with title ‘Judge’ are often not worthy and make incorrect judgements.

    2. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      Judges have to make a ruling based on the case presented and on the laws governing.
      Often the state ‘throws’ a case by not presenting evidence …
      Often the Last Will of Parliament is ‘Obey alien laws’.
      That’s why we could not win a ‘brexit’ case in our Courts as they were charged, by the EU as ordered by Parliament, with ‘furthering EU integration’

  10. Narrow Shoulders
    February 14, 2025

    Legal aid needs to be capped to reflect what an average earner would be able to afford. There is no reason why an illegal immigrant should have access to greater resources than a parent of two in a steady job with a mortgage and much to lose.

    Everyone deserves a defence but not an unlimited one at taxpayers’ expense.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      Why should an illegal immigrant have any call on our resources whatsoever? They have th4 money to come, they should factor in legal costs as part of the journey.

      1. Narrow Shoulders
        February 14, 2025

        They shouldn’t but it shows our humanity.

        1. Lynn Atkinson
          February 14, 2025

          Shows our stupidity. To sacrifice our own civilization and earned right to appease invaders – the numbers cause them to be invaders, these are not the odd individual, is stupid.

          1. Narrow Shoulders
            February 15, 2025

            We should offer limited help but it should be capped at a low level. No one in receipt of legal aid should get more than 15 hours of representation.

      2. anon
        February 15, 2025

        – Legal aid and direct or indirect taxpayer funds for such for non-citizens, should not exist.

        – Legal aid for appeals to the ECHR should not exist.

        It should be illegal to use taxpayer funds to undermine public mandated manifesto’s and government policy.

        USAID should be opening many peoples eyes.

  11. Narrow Shoulders
    February 14, 2025

    We need to withdraw from the UN Convention on refugees until it is rewritten for modern ability to travel long distances and the pull of the West.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      South Africa has.

  12. Michelle
    February 14, 2025

    Political and cultural ideology has brought us to this state.
    Successive governments have handed out citizenship like sweets.
    Any conflict anywhere around the world will now see ‘British citizens’ with family members there.
    The citizenship handed to them is a leverage used under the right to family life.
    This is another area that needs drastic measurements taken.

  13. Donna
    February 14, 2025

    We aren’t just suffering from a tyranny of International Lawyers, we have plenty operating here as well ….. some of them in Parliament (both Houses). As far as I’m concerned, British Lawyers who are acting internationally against the interests of the UK are traitors and should be treated as such … not seated in the House of Frauds and being paid by the taxpayers they are betraying.

    We will only put them back in their box by resiling from International Treaties and the Refugee Convention and scrapping domestic legislation such as the Human Rights Act and Equality Act. The damage done by Blair’s Constitutional wrecking ball must be reversed.

    In short, we need REFORM.

    1. Original Richard
      February 14, 2025

      Donna:

      Yes, there are members of the House of Frauds who should be rowed down the Thames and into the back entrance of a large building built in the 1070s by William the Conqueror.

      1. Mike Wilson
        February 14, 2025

        Why aren’t we asking the French for reparations and taking the land back he gave to his mates – whose descendants still ‘own’ loads of it.

  14. Bloke
    February 14, 2025

    What international lawyers think and want is merely a matter for them.
    HM Govt was elected with authority to rule the UK and should do what its own citizens support.
    Taking notice as if being controlled by what foreigners attempt to dictate is a feeble, reckless way for a government to behave. The UK Govt should do only what is in the UK interest. It is not a charity with a primary purpose to solve the problems of all errant members of the planet.

  15. Rod Evans
    February 14, 2025

    Parliament is either sovereign or it is nothing. This point was almost conceded during the Theresa May term in office when she seemed to work hard towards making the Parliament of the day conform to domestic judges it had authority over but failed to control. That preconceived notion that judges are infallible and their rulings must be accepted, is false. Parliament always had and has the authority to change the law by due process. That false premise of absolute authority by judges is multiplied many fold, if international law and international judges are given authority over UK affairs simply because they are judges/lawyers. Placing the word ‘international’ before some group of individuals operating in the judicial system called ‘international’ something or other, does not render that court supremacy over domestic law or rights.
    It is long past the time when the principle of democracy was honoured in its most basic form,
    government of the people, by the people, for the people.
    We thank President Lincoln for distilling the principle and providing those immortal words at the Gettysburg address. Note the last three words. For the people.
    It does not mention anything about, for the international courts.

    1. Dave Andrews
      February 14, 2025

      Well put.

    2. Wanderer
      February 14, 2025

      @Rod Evans. +1. Absolutely right.

    3. majorfrustration
      February 14, 2025

      Are the Judges getting carried away with their own importance or is the problem really down to poor drafting?

    4. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      If you don’t have the guts to enact what the people want, you pass laws which cause Judges to find as you require, then say you have to obey the law.

    5. anon
      February 15, 2025

      We do need to bring in a first amendment as it operates in the US.
      We also need US style primaries & confirmation hearings.
      We also need to be able to bring impeachment / trials by a 2nd chamber to look at malfeasance etc

  16. Richard1
    February 14, 2025

    Elon Musk has made exactly this point with great clarity in recent days in the US. If every decision of government is capable of being overturned by some appointed lawyer or bureaucrat we do not live in a democracy. The problem is the huge growth in the number and scope of these ‘international law’ bureaucracies and, at least for us in the U.K., the preponderance of left wing activists in the judiciary and the bureaucracy. a lasting ‘achievement’ of the baleful Blair-brown government which was not reversed during the 14 years when the Tories had a chance to do so.

    1. Mike Wilson
      February 14, 2025

      we do not live in a democracy

      Indeed. I person in 5 voted Labour yet they now have absolute rule. That’s not what I consider a democracy.

  17. Bryan Harris
    February 14, 2025

    As they are the government they must legislate to deal with over activist judges.

    That has to be the answer — If parliament does a poor job in wording legislation, as seems the pattern, with many ways to interpret a simple phrase, then they have to correct it with specific words and instructions to make sure it is not open to interpretation by rogue judges.

    The PM should understand that he is part of the problem when it comes down to international decisions against the UK — He should remember who he is working for. It is not his job to put international interests over those of the UK. Shouldn’t the King be reminding him of this and his other duties to the Crown.

  18. hefner
    February 14, 2025

    A family of six Gazans, father, mother, and four children aged 18, 17, 8 and 7 arrived this January in the UK and applied via the Ukraine Family Scheme to join a parent’s brother who’s been British and leaving here since 2007. The Home Office rejected their plea noting the absence of any scheme for Palestinians. The family appealed under ECHR art.8, the appeal was again rejected.
    Another appeal was made to a higher court which another judge heard. He accepted the appeal based on ‘a loophole’: ‘because a scheme to resettle people does not exist does not mean they (the family) are banned from coming to the UK via humanitarian routes’ and that ‘the absence of a resettlement scheme was irrelevant’ to their decision.

    1. Sam
      February 14, 2025

      You are as usual absolutely right hefner in your excellent legal analysis.
      We are awful in only welcoming a million new arrivals here in the UK annually.
      We should be ashamed of ourselves.
      We should try harder.
      Let’s invite all Palestinians here too.
      Any room in your home?

  19. William Long
    February 14, 2025

    I have never been able to understand the great urge our politicians seem to have, to be part of something bigger. They appear to feel it makes them bigger too, whereas all it really does is demonstrate their paucity of mind, and inability to put the interests of their country and electors first. The only party we have, that truly seems to grasp this, is Reform UK. The only thing in its manifesto that stops me joining it, is its commitment to Proportional Representation, but I may well still vote for it.

    1. Mike Wilson
      February 14, 2025

      We have Disproportionate Representation at the moment. 1 person in 5 voted Labour yet they now have absolute power. The governments in living memory have been useless. Time to change things.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        The other 4 had nobody to vote for. Don’t change the system – add an entity which the British people can support.

    2. Peter D Gardner
      February 17, 2025

      In general governments seek the authority of foreign bodies in order to avoid accountability to voters because they lack the capacity to make and win an argument in open debate. In doing so they will cherry pick international agreements and rulings to suit their aims.

  20. Ian B
    February 14, 2025

    Sir John
    Its another distortion of wannabee’s there is no such thing as International Law, particularly in the sense that it is, or should be, it is the People that make Laws. So-called International law is just norms and customs derived from mutual understanding. Just a unenforceable framework that when it is in ones interest you go along with – it is not a law( in the sense of real laws)

    What is said to be ‘human rights’ law is a warped personal desire of the unelected unaccountable bureaucrat. In English Law what is called ‘human rights’ law can’t exist. For it to exist all rights of human have to have been removed in the first place at birth. In English law rights are only withdrawn by its democratically elected ‘legislators’ who by the same route can amend and repeal such laws. Meaning in English law everything is legal unless withdrawn. In the UK we no longer use ‘English’ law it upsets the political class, we use the EU model of Napoleonic Law, where all rights are removed from a human at birth and the only things that are legal are those granted by the unelected unaccountable bureaucrats.

    The ‘Free Democratic’ World still use English Law for all their structures – the English are no allowed it.

  21. Bryan Harris
    February 14, 2025

    With so much news coming out of the USA about how USAID has been perverted to support many unglorious schemes, including the BBC and other media to provide propaganda on a number of subjects, a film last night demonstrated it quite clearly. Unfortunately I was a captive audience.

    The subject of global warming was pushed down our throats from the beginning, with little in the way of real science to back up any of the ideas shown.
    It seems that global warming has the ability to turn the Earth into an iceball within a very few hours, trigger tsunamis and flood much of the world. This is no longer science fiction – it is utter fantasy, and designed to indoctrinate, while filling heads with propaganda. But it is typical of the mush we see on TV, because a good number of people will believe this rubbish.

    You can see why Hollywood actors are so keen to lecture us on subjects like GW – they believe the nonsense they portray in their films!

    We badly need an investigation into how UK-Aid is being spent, but I will guarantee it is no better spent than USAID

    1. Mitchel
      February 14, 2025

      Wikileaks:”USAID was funding 6,200 journalists across 707 media outlets and 279 ‘media’ NGOs, including nine out of ten media outlets in Ukraine.”

      Which is why you can’t trust a word of what you read in the western media.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        Or the BBC which got funding from USAID too.

      2. Original Richard
        February 14, 2025

        Mitchel:

        According to The Telegraph:

        “Among the agencies who would be impacted by the closure is BBC’s international charity BBC Media Action, which counts USAid as its second largest donor.”

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/02/05/bbc-media-action-charity-received-usaid-funding/

  22. Ian B
    February 14, 2025

    ECHR is flawed in that it is not democratically created, it appears to be evolving through personal interest of the Legal Profession. Back to the English vs Napoleonic difference, who took the right away? who conferred it on someone?
    The real massive flaw is that the Legal Profession think they have the right to overside everyone else prescribed rights by their personal interpretations just to benefit their own client. These are unjust warped laws…

    Laws should be created by democratic principles not by the unelected unaccountable dictators, who lets face it are protecting personal interest and income.

    1. dixie
      February 14, 2025

      We need to leave the ECHR, WHO and UN refugee agreements and repeal the Human Rights and Equalities Acts. UKs signing up to such things must neither be a blank cheque nor eternal, but under review constantly.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        Let’s just leave all international Courts, the UN – and The Commonwealth?

      2. Ian B
        February 14, 2025

        @dixie +1
        It is easy to protect UK Citizens. You just need a democratically elected ‘legislator’ that creates, amends and repeals correct laws for as required. We pay and empower a bunch of ‘Guys'(MPs) to do just that – they refuse. they prefer to hide from their purpose and function. So it looks as if the ‘taxpayer’ is saddled with another crew of ‘free-loaders’ that are not fit for purpose

  23. glen cullen
    February 14, 2025

    99 criminals arrived in the UK the day before yesterday; from the safe country of France ….what of ‘rule of law’

    1. Original Richard
      February 14, 2025

      GC :

      They simply don’t care.

  24. Ukret123
    February 14, 2025

    “Argentine minister hails ‘inspirational’ Margaret Thatcher
    Federico Sturzenegger describes prime minister during the Falklands War as a ‘fighter’ and a model for the reforms his country is enacting”.
    That’s what we need now to as we are becoming increasingly dependent on what foreign courts dictate.
    It seems we are incapable of thinking about our very own uniquely British interests and have become weaklings who are frit and afraid instead.
    Thatcher warned of “The enemy within” years ago and it has snowballed and arrived by default.

  25. glen cullen
    February 14, 2025

    Coal production in China has risen steadily in recent years, from 3.9 billion tons in 2020 to 4.8 billion tons in 2024 ….I don’t see many international lawyers taking them to court
    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2025/02/14/china-still-building-coal-power-plants/#more-85742

    1. dixie
      February 14, 2025

      The Chinese have been burning coal for at least 5,000 years.

      1. glen cullen
        February 14, 2025

        Yeah but what counts is today :-
        2024 China 4.8 tonnes of coal
        2024 UK 0.0 tonnes of coal

      2. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        Hell – we would be freezing had they not done so – according to Millibrain. So the Chinese HAVE done something for us!

  26. Ian B
    February 14, 2025

    From the Media
    Giant gas field discovery could power Britain for a decade
    A giant gas field has been discovered under Lincolnshire that could fuel the UK’s entire needs for a decade, reducing dependence on imports and generating tens of thousands of jobs, an energy company has claimed.

    Exploiting the find could add up to £112bn to GDP and create tens of thousands of jobs .

    If we had free thinking MPs and Government this find would also fund the transition to alternatives with out the need of costly punitive punishment being applied to the Country and its people – however, that is too rational

    1. glen cullen
      February 14, 2025

      Miliband will tap that wellhead with concrete before the years out (like the fracking gas wellheads with Cuadrilla)

  27. Ian B
    February 14, 2025

    More from the Media

    In Mauritious

    Suzette is well-known amongst the 400 Chagossians who had gathered on a hot morning to meet with The Telegraph.

    “This woman was born on Diego Garcia,” several people said at once, referring to the largest island on the Chagos Archipelago that was turned into a joint US-UK military base in 1971.

    “I oppose this deal,” the 70 year-old said, adding that Chagossians had “no voice” in the negotiations. “I am British and the Chagos Islands must remain British.”

    In 2021, Mauritius enacted a law that criminalises “misrepresenting the sovereignty of Mauritius over any part of its territory”. It prevents anyone expressing support for British sovereignty over the Chagos Islands.

    And the Starmer Lammy duo they consulted these people – pull the other one. This is ego over their much acclaimed ‘human rights’. The Two Tier doctrine in practice

    1. glen cullen
      February 14, 2025

      An absolute disgrace

  28. Atlas
    February 14, 2025

    Agreed Sir John.

  29. Original Richard
    February 14, 2025

    14/02/2025

    The Human Rights Law and the ECHR are undemocratic. They give the power to minorities, and even a single person to rule over the wishes of the majority. This is not democracy in action and in fact it was designed to as a tool to undermine democracy. We no longer have the rule of law but the rule of activist lawyers and judges from both home and abroad.

    It has also been very lucrative for lawyers who have been feeding on the UK taxpayer like Piranha in a James Bond Film.

  30. dixie
    February 14, 2025

    We have at least two problems in the UK that must be addressed comprehensively before we can start to reform elected government – the unelected civil service which it seems has been the actual government since Blair and the unelected lawyers who interfere at all levels. Neither group operate for the best interest of our citizens.
    The people offered for election have the statutory powers to address these issues – control the civil service with performance reviews, hiring and firing while changing the laws that enable corrupt lawfare – but have steadfastly refused to do so and so also do not operate in our best interests.

    An example – Nottingham University Hospitals NHS Trust has just been fined £1.6m, plus costs mark you, for failings relating to the deaths of three babies who died in its care shortly after their birth. (see BMJ 13-Feb-2025)
    No action to punish those who failed, at the very least senior executive and management heads should roll. Instead they fine a public sector body which means taxpayer money intended for health services goes to lawyers, thereby punishing the people who include those who suffered the original failing!

    1. dixie
      February 14, 2025

      So a question;
      – what law on the books would prevent a department/ministry being dissolved and all civil servants therein being laid off, not redistributed pr moved up, on or sideways but made redundant?
      And since the treasury has declared there is a “black hole” then the same rules that apply in the case of bankruptcy should apply here – no gratuities, or pension boosts or anything, simply the statutory redundancy payments and the legal requirement they sign on the dole.

      1. Original Richard
        February 14, 2025

        dixie :

        A good idea.

        What connects together all our national Scandals? That no-one in a position of authority ever goes to prison for malfeasance.

        One trick is to have a “judge led enquiry” lasting years and years and years costing a fortune….as if judges weren’t also part of the problem….

      2. anon
        February 15, 2025

        Indeed.

  31. Lynn Atkinson
    February 14, 2025

    Van der Leyen speech to the WEF ‘the Co-operative world we envisaged 25 years ago is broken … now it’s a competitive race to the bottom’ 😂

    At least she and the EU can win something!

    You would not believe that the EU is the biggest trade sanctions organisation on earth, and also the biggest and most aggressive tariffs union on earth.

    But it is! I wonder whether she has the wherewithall to comprehend that?

    1. Donna
      February 14, 2025

      The “co-operative world” the self-appointed European elite envisaged did not have the agreement of the DEMOS and therefore has no democratic legitimacy. And there was precious little co-operation anyway; since Germany and France basically ran the EU to suit their respective nations with the rest of the members dragged along in the slipstream.

      Trump, meanwhile, has both. And is doing what a democratically-elected National Leader should do: look out for the interests of the people who elected him. Let’s hope we get one of those before much longer.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        February 14, 2025

        I think she was speaking of One World Government. The EU was merely a stepping stone as Johnson-the-Destroyer demonstrated. He was prepared to skip that step so that he could champion Brexit, and go straight to One World Government and being King of the World himself.
        His family was distraught until they got the picture.

  32. Keith from Leeds
    February 14, 2025

    It is a direct reflection of the low calibre of our Governments and MPs that they are prepared to see the UK damaged to comply with some mythical international law. The Conservatives/Reform should both make clear that they will govern for the benefit of the UK and withdraw from any treaty or court that prevents them doing so.
    Likewise, some of our judges making these stupid decisions, preventing us from deporting immigrants who have committed crimes because of the right to a family life, or because our chicken nuggets are nicer than elsewhere, need to be sacked. If that can’t be done, change the law so it can be.
    It seems the Government, MPs, Civil Service, and Judges all hate the UK and its people. The next government must change that without fail!

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      Internationally you sign treaties. That is the ‘rule’ that binds – and Treaty Law is subservient to Constitutional Law. Indeed no Treaty can include the surrender of land, as it’s assumed that one party was under duress. We know this is so when we look at our ‘peace agreement’ with German Europe where Northern Ireland is surrendered.

      1. Sayagain
        February 15, 2025

        Lynn this is not correct we got the territory of Gibraltar from article ten the Treaty of Utrecht 1713 and this was done by way of Spain ceding it after a long war – likewise we held Northern Ireland from the early 1920’s under the anglo-irish treaty and this despite the great Sinn Fein majority win in the 1918 General election which covered the whole of the island – but the treaty had to be agreed because otherwise Lloyd George threatened total war on the population – plenty of duress in all of this. Today Northern Ireland is not surrendered to anyone – there are new agreements in place and that is how it will remain until the people decide differently and nothing to do with German Europe

  33. Mark
    February 14, 2025

    Doubtless Miliband and Starmer will seek to rely on their self-immolating declaration under the Paris Agreement to prevent any exploitation of the Gainsborough gas field which ought to be a complete game changer for UK energy prospects. It has the potential to virtually eliminate dependence on imported LNG, and hence exposure to international gas trade, because there would be no export route for the gas. It could take us back to the era of self-suffiency we enjoyed at the peak of North Sea production which gave us some of the lowest gas prices anywhere in the world.

    1. Original Richard
      February 14, 2025

      Mark :

      For Miliband and Starmer it’s not about the price of gas. Or even saving the planet. They want to ensure we do not have energy security. Hence the reason for unilateral Net Zero.

  34. iain gill
    February 14, 2025

    JD Vance speech today, all correct. About time some UK politicians were saying the same.

    1. glen cullen
      February 14, 2025

      Putin invaded and kepted South Ossetian (Georgia)
      Putin invaded and kepted Crimea (Ukraine)
      Putin invaded and kepted Donbas (Ukraine)
      We can’t let tyranny suceed

      1. anon
        February 15, 2025

        Lets defeat tyranny in the UK first and worry about Blighty first.

        We do not have the resources or the will or the ability to do it. Do you?

        Perhaps agreements should have been kept.

    2. Lynn Atkinson
      February 14, 2025

      Rutte has said ‘The Ukraine was never going to join NATO’ 🤪 he has left Starmer high and dry!
      Can things get any worse for the present British Government?
      I’m struggling to see how.

  35. Peter D Gardner
    February 17, 2025

    Not all international law acts against UK’s interests. Some is downright helpful if only UK would choose to use it. UNCLOS, for example gives the UK all the legal authority it needs to stop the boats by sending them back to France. Neither Conservative nor Labour governments choose to use it.
    UK doesn’t even bother to apply its domestic law, the Offences against the Person Act 1861, to charge the drivers of the boats with endangering human life at sea. In conjunction with UNCLOS this could be enforced right across the Channel. Even Article 5 of the ECHR enables UK to arrest and deport illegal immigrants. UK consistently chooses not to do so.
    The protection afforded asylum seekers travelling directly to a country by Art 31 of the UN Convention is wilfully misinterpreted by judges to allow a sojourn of months or years in France to count as direct travel. This could easily be fixed by legislation. UK chooses not to do it.

    1. Peter Gardner
      February 17, 2025

      PS UNCLOS also gives UK all the powers it need to make better use of its fish stocks and to resist the incursions by the EU. It chooses not to.

  36. Peter D Gardner
    February 17, 2025

    In general governments seek the authority of foreign bodies in order to avoid accountability to voters because they lack the capacity to make and win an argument in open debate. In doing so they will cherry pick international agreements and rulings to suit their aims.

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