Save our Sovereignty

Facts4EU have launched a campaign to save our sovereignty, with several other groups in support. The give away of Chagos, the invitation to the EU/Spain to police the Gibraltar border , and the offer to the EU that we will lay them money to enforce more of their trade and farming laws on us all point  to a government that does not value our sovereignty.

A party with a big majority in Parliament has every right to impose more  laws, put up our taxes and waste our money if that’s what they want to do.They will  pay the price at the next election if they ignore the criticism and opposition voices. Any if these things can be cancelled or amended by a new government after the next election.

What they are not allowed to do is to give powers of self government away without consent. It needs  a referendum to give powers away to the EU after the clear result in 2016. The Labour party did not signal its surrenders to international pressures and bad advice over these matters in its Mainfesto.

Well done to Facts4EU and the other groups who are promoting thus  campaign, Stand up for Our Sovereignty. I say Save Our Sovereignty. We all say SOS.

 

94 Comments

  1. Mark B
    June 16, 2025

    Good morning.

    A party with a big majority in Parliament has every right to . . .

    &

    . . . waste our money . . .

    I disagree. I have long argued on this site that an MP is there to represent their constituents, implement manifesto promises and to protect the public purse. So for a government to consider it has the right to waste money is no government worth standing.

    What they are not allowed to do is to give powers of self government away without consent.

    Again, I disagree. Parliament is sovereign and can do as it pleases. We are not a Constitutional Republic like the USA or a Federal Republic like Switzerland. ie There is no codification on what a government can and cannot do. If parliament wants to do it, it can and there is nothing we can do to stop them. That is why I have long argued that the UK should become a Direct Democracy like Switzerland. Parliament has shown, time after time, it cannot be trusted with such unrestricted power.

    The problems with the UK are many, but no one in politics has the policies to address them. No one !!

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      The Government is not allowed to commit treason by actively working against the interests of the nation and the country.
      The Government is bound by the Constitution – it does NOT have unfettered power.

      1. Mark B
        June 17, 2025

        . . . it does NOT have unfettered power.

        Then explain recent events ?

    2. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      But Mark all that would be fine and democratic…..ha ha! However, Governments rarely offer free MP voting, and Opposition Parties expect a 3-line whip in challenging a Bill.
      So how do you expect your MP to not only declare opinion to constituency, but to insist on voting that way? A long history of whip withdrawn for those with sincere views.

  2. Pominoz
    June 16, 2025

    Sir John,

    I would have thought that the give away of Chagos was beyond the powers of the government without a referendum. Treasonous, from my view, and surely ought to be subject to legal challenge.

    Is it now final and irreversible?

    1. Peter Wood
      June 16, 2025

      According to reports, the UN has urged the UK to suspend the Chagos deal and renegotiate to include the views of the Chagosians. – – You’d have thought a ‘uman rights lawyer’ would have done that from the outset. Another 2TK event.
      BTW, has Netanyahu just played Trump for a fool? According to reports Trump refused consent for Israel to ‘take-out’ the Iranian Supreme Leader, doesn’t that make Trump a de-facto participant in the conflict? That decision will come back to bite him.

    2. Christine
      June 16, 2025

      There was a legal challenge against it. It was lost. Like most politicians, the judiciary hates our history and the British people and wants to destroy both. I’m at a loss to understand why they are so ignorant and stupid. None of this will end well, and I see little hope for the future of our country. We will fall just like countless others before us have.

    3. Lifelogic
      June 16, 2025

      I agree fully surely it is treasonous if not it should be.

      I often go on about rigged markets:- healthcare, energy, schools, universities, transport, housing, banking, heating systems…

      A good article and podcast (Spectator out Loud) from the Spectator on the housing market rigging.

      John Power
      How to game the social housing system.

      Westminster council has announced that every single social housing tenant in the borough will receive lifetime tenancies. No test of need. No review of income. No incentive to move on. Once you’ve been awarded a property, you can stay as long as you like. When you die, your adult children may be eligible to inherit the lifetime tenancy too.
      Social housing tenants in Westminster pay around a fifth of what renters on the open market spend. They also have access to more than one in four properties in the borough, from flats in postwar estates to £1 million terraced houses. The council says it’s bringing stability to people’s lives but for many young professionals dreaming of their own home, it looks like something else: a bribe.

      1. Mickey Taking
        June 16, 2025

        I am alarmed that it is unfair, divisive decisions that may become a future nationwide riot that in WW2 became known as Kristallnacht or the “Night of Broken Glass.” The name “Kristallnacht” is a reference to the shattered glass from store windows that littered the streets during and after the riot. It may not be stores but homes!

    4. Dave Andrews
      June 16, 2025

      Referenda are only advisory. The real power lies with the Crown. The Crown can reclaim the Chagos by the signature of His Majesty on an Act of Parliament. There might be diplomatic repercussions but I don’t believe anything is irreversible all the time the Crown is sovereign.

  3. Peter
    June 16, 2025

    ‘ They will pay the price at the next election’

    The trouble is the next election is a long time from now.

    1. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      and damage possibly deep and long lasting!

  4. Bloke
    June 16, 2025

    Keir Starmer acts so carelessly and badly that the notion of his being tolerated for four more years appears increasingly unlikely. Labour MPs soon realise they have no future as their support is sucked out of their control by sensible Reform UK candidates.

  5. Peter
    June 16, 2025

    Meanwhile Trump is proving to be the ultimate puppet in a long line of Israeli puppets.

    American sovereignty is gone. Israel is calling the shots.

    The neocon ‘Project for a New American Century’ continues. Iran was the last of the seven countries General Wesley Clark revealed the US planned to attack. It just took more than five years.

    1. IanT
      June 16, 2025

      Israel is protecting itself from a clear and present danger. Iran has been the root cause of many of the problems in the Middle East for years. The prospect of the Ayatollahs with nuclear weapons should be something no sane person would be wiling to contemplate. The Israelis have done the region (and world) a great favour and I’m sure most people in the region are quietly relieved, not least the other (Sunni) Arab states.

    2. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      You prefer to wait until Iran nukes nuclear Israel? They could do that within months.
      Don’t let the neocons fool you again. Fighting for your own survival is a freedom we should never forego.you will see why when the Rape Gang Report is released.

      1. Mickey Taking
        June 16, 2025

        ‘Fighting for your own survival’ is precisely what Ukrainians are doing. Surrender has a very doubtful ending.

    3. Sam
      June 16, 2025

      It might ocurr to you Peter, that America and the President supports Israel in its fight to survive.
      That is a strong decision not a weak one.

      If Iran gained nuclear capability it would destroy Israel.
      That cannot be allowed to happen.

      Sadly our Government and our PM are fence sitting at the moment.

      1. hefner
        June 16, 2025

        Has North Korea destroyed South Korea? Has Russia destroyed the USA (or reciprocally). Has India destroyed Pakistan (or the other way around)?
        People with little History only can see the news and not the context. Have you ever thought that Iran might want nuclear armament as a guarantee of not being attacked by Israel, as the ‘equilibrium’ has played internationally for more than 80 years? Do you think that the ‘balance of terror’ that has been with us for all that time does not work these days. Just some questions.

        And Sam, save your dumb comments if you’re not to comment on my questions.
        Thanks in advance for your understanding.

        1. Sam
          June 17, 2025

          In a strop again hefner, it seems
          Might have guessed your views on this topic.
          Your most remarkable post ever on here.
          Supporting Iran’s right to have nuclear capability whilst at the same time not realising Iran openly calls for the annihilation of Israel and financially supports terrorist groups around the world.

          1. hefner
            June 17, 2025

            As I said ‘People with little History …’, in May 2018 Trump 1 pulled out from and ditched the 2015 agreement (JCPOA: Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action) between Iran, Germany and the five members of the UN Security Council (USA, UK, Russia, China, France). As most pundits at the time concluded, the 2018 PotUS45 did that mainly because the JCPOA had involved PotUS44 (Obama). This sent strong signals of different nature obviously to both Israel and Iran.

            Does anybody think Trump 2 has improved on Trump 1?

            According to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Iran had last year 400 kg of uranium enriched at 60%, clearly higher than what is needed for civil energy production but still far from the 90% enrichment level required from weapon-grade potential use. At 90% enrichment level, these 400 kg would be enough for about 10 nuclear bombs (dw.com 15/06/2025).
            For comparison Israel is thought to have between 90 and 400 nuclear heads, while having always maintained the ambiguity and not having signed to the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

          2. Sam
            June 17, 2025

            hefner.
            For all your waffle Iran cannot be allowed to even get near to enrichment of producing nuclear weapons.
            I also find it astonishing that a seemingly intelligent and educated person such yourself would compare Iran having nuclear capability with Israel.

          3. Sam
            June 17, 2025

            To be fair hefner I would congratulate you for continuing your policy of no post on here without resorting to personal insults and passive agressive language.
            You must be proud of yourself.

          4. hefner
            June 17, 2025

            Continuing my waffle …
            Netanyahu has been warning about a nuclear Iran since 1992. In 1992 he said Iran was three to five years from assembling a nuclear weapon. In 1995 he reiterated the comment in his book ‘Fighting terrorism’ but had moved to five-to-seven years. Then again in 2009 to a Congressional Delegation (‘one-to-two years’) and in 2012 to the UN General Assembly (‘less than a year’). At the time (2012) Israel’s Intelligence Service strongly and publicly disagreed with his assessment.
            Then came JCPOA (endorsed by the UN Security Council on 20/07/2015 (Resolution 2231). Uranium to be enriched to 3.67% U235 only on the Natanz site using IR-1 centrifuges with a total of 300 kg. But other uranium oxides and scrap material could be enriched to 20%.
            armscontrol.org 02/2025 ‘JCPOA at a glance’.

            Trump 1 ditched the agreement and now we are to wait to see who of the neocons or the MAGA crowd will flip Trump 2 to their views …

          5. Sam
            June 18, 2025

            Carry on with your historical waffling hefner if it pleases you.
            At least everyone on here now knows your views on Iran and on which side you stand.

          6. hefner
            June 18, 2025

            – Bibi: Jump.
            – Sam: How high?

          7. Sam
            June 18, 2025

            Yet again you are sadly displaying the classic liberal left wing view about Israel hefner.
            You are supporting the Iranian regime and you are content to see them with nuclear capability whilst ignoring their stated objective of obliterating Israel.
            A good an example of cognitive dissonance.

            They are also saying death to USA and UK.
            And you are plainly happy with this.
            Quite amazing.

          8. hefner
            June 18, 2025

            Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, Ukraine: will you now have enough space at your place to welcome some Iranians?

          9. Sam
            June 18, 2025

            Is that best you can do hefner?
            PS
            Iranians are already here claiming asylum away from the evil regime you prefer to Israel

      2. hefner
        June 18, 2025

        So, seriously Sam, please tell us: who will convince the PotUS? Steve Bannon, the Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbart, Tucker Carlson and the intelligence community who would like DJT not to side with Israel, or J.D.Vance, Gen. Kurilla, Sen. Graham who want him to intervene with Israel?
        You appear so sure of where the good guys are, you must have a very good reason that will really clinch the argument, based on some profound thoughts on historical facts (and obviously not taken from the Sun or the DT).

        1. Sam
          June 18, 2025

          Yet another strange waffle.
          Stop digging yourself into hole hefner.
          You display some odd opinions on here, none more so than telling us you are supporting Iran against the opinion of almost every leader of every major democracy that realises the evil regime of Iran cannot ever have nuclear weapons.

          1. Sam
            June 18, 2025

            And hefner look up Trump Derangement Syndrome.
            It is warping your judgement.

    4. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      US Presidents are not normally so ‘played’ by obvious leaders – Russia, Israel etc.
      Once the manipulation goes too far it becomes a war footing and death and destruction follows.
      US Presidents never manage to run effective International policies well!

      1. Peter
        June 16, 2025

        MT,
        Withdrawal of donor funds, media hit pieces and possible kompromat can influence US presidents.

        AIPAC should be required to register as an agent of a foreign power – but so far they have managed to avoid this.

        There are signs that the US people, particularly the young, are gradually realising the truth about Israel.

        Attempts to suppress dissent in universities will only fail. ‘We stand with Israel’ is falling on deaf ears.

        1. Sam
          June 16, 2025

          The result of the recent election that gave the Republican party and President Trump a huge majority and saw increased votes from younger people and saw increased donar funding seems to ruin your idea that America is ready to turn away from supporting Israel Peter.

  6. Ian
    June 16, 2025

    2TK will be laughing all the way to the bank
    He’s not interested in anything facts4u have to say or any one else . The man’s a complete megalomaniac who is determined to destroy this country. He knows he can get away with it because the previous government laid the foundations with the Windsor sell out and Cameron starting off the Chagos fiasco. It’s no good saying they kicked it into the long grass, the subject should never have been aired in the first place.
    The Falklands will be next because large quantities of oil and gas have been found. Milibrain won’t want the extraction counting against his Net Stupid figures.
    Nothing is toi much for this government when it comes to shafting the British taxpayers.
    Even Carney, who was against Fracking is spouting drill baby drill now he’s incharge in Canada.
    We’re ruled by idiots and things have to change.
    We now have thousands of Iranians demonstrating in London against Israel, mostly imported illegally. Who’s side does Starmergeddon think they will be on when the rioting starts. Of course the police will arrest Brits accusing us of racism and being far right.

  7. Wanderer
    June 16, 2025

    On Facts4EU.org I don’t see any mention of the campaign. It’s a good idea, though.

  8. Fishfinger
    June 16, 2025

    The whole point of Brexit was to ensure our laws are made in Westminster. If Westminster chooses to get rid of the Chagos, do a deal with the EU, or anything else, then that is the end of the matter. Your new “SOS” campaign wants to hobble Westminster, and so it is an attack on Brexit

    Reply Nonsense

    1. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      Don’t you think issues that significant should have been addressed in Manifesto?
      If Starmer gives away every fast jet and the stock of missiles, would you still think thats his prerogative?

      1. glen cullen
        June 16, 2025

        He’s rejoining the EU …. thats his prerogative

        Reply Certainly not. The referendum should bind him to Brexit

        1. Ian B
          June 16, 2025

          @Reply- he is part of the legal cabal that is playing the system for profit, he has demonstrated his gift of saying what you want to hear and doing the opposite. What he also knows is Brexit never released us from the EU

  9. Richard1
    June 16, 2025

    Much will be given up over the 4 years before the next election. There will be no chance to save our sovereignty or indeed do anything else to reverse the many follies of Labour if the centre right again forms a circular firing squad by standing Conservative and Reform candidates in the same constituency where the result would then most likely be a Labour or LibDem MP.

  10. Donna
    June 16, 2025

    Labour will be punished at the next election in the same way the Tories were.

    1. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      If the fate is the same no bad thing – death sentence to Conservative Party AND Labour.

    2. William Long
      June 16, 2025

      Not unless the Tories and Reform can find a way of pooling their resources.

  11. Scallion
    June 16, 2025

    “What they are not allowed to do is to give powers of self government away without consent. It needs a referendum to give powers away to the EU after the clear result in 2016” ….. so says someone who has no clue what the constitution of our United Kingdom is. Parliament can do whatever it wants

    1. IanT
      June 16, 2025

      I suppose you mean like being able to deport illegal entrants?

    2. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      Says someone who has no clue about the Constitution of the U.K. 😂🤣

    3. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      Action since 2016 chipping away reminds me of the practise of nipping a small piece off the edge of silver coins of the realm going back in history. The face value of the coin didn’t reduce but if continued over and over surely the value will be challenged? Pretence that no harm done?

  12. Peter Gardner
    June 16, 2025

    I disagree. Sovereignty given away is not easily recovered and neither is the economic and societal damage easily repaired Aluen cultures imported do not just go away and their birth rate is much higher er than that of native British population. The damage is irreparable. What is more voters have no means of forcing a general election and the laws, while it dissolves parliament after five years leaves tge government in office. We depend on Starmer’s Gang to respect convention and call an election. It has shown a predilection to postpone them if it might lose.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      The solution is now beyond politics.
      The political class removed the peaceful resolution of our grievances.
      They will pay an almighty price.
      That’s why they are petrified.

  13. Old Albion
    June 16, 2025

    Starmer and his acolytes are rabid EUphiles and they hate the White, British, Heritage population. He was against the UK leaving despite the referendum. Now with four more years of power he will wheedle us back into the clutches of Brussels as deeply as he can.
    His Chagos sell-out is a disgrace. He’s looking to weaken British power/influence in Gibralter. What next? The Falklands?
    Parliament must hold him to account.

    1. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      Perhaps hoping the US base will pull out eventually leaving China dominant.

  14. MPC
    June 16, 2025

    When it comes to the EU the Labour government wants a deep and special partnership. Now where have I heard that phrase before? This time it’s a certainty.

    1. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      It is perfectly possible to have a deep and special relationship with one’s servants. You just have to recognise who’s boss!

  15. Mick
    June 16, 2025

    Facts4EU have launched a campaign to save our sovereignty
    I’m all for that but the much bigger issue here is the thousands of the sleeper army that our spineless governments have let into our land, I’ve been saying this for years along with many others and now the chickens are coming home to roost, time to stop the dinghies and ship home all these undocumented illegals or to some far distance island away from our shores

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      Advise all immigrants, even the peaceful law abiding legal immigrants, to take their assets and return home. Being in a minority during conflict is extremely dangerous. I have told my family that in South Africa for decades. You need to live amongst your own people.
      I am particularly sorry for people of mixed race parentage. They are the innocent victims in all of this. I don’t know what to advise.

  16. Original Richard
    June 16, 2025

    It is extraordinary that a PM can give away UK territory without a vote in Parliament let alone a referendum. Especially a PM whose government was elected with a 30% share of the vote and just 20% support from the total electorate and bearing in mind that a Parliament only has temporary sovreignty until the mext GE. Do the Chagossians have no say in the matter? What’s next to be given away? The Falklands? Gibralter? N.I.? Scotland or Wales? Or the whole of the UK (to the EU?)? You would think that the King would want to step in to prevent any loss of his UK territory and dissolve Parliament so that another GE could be called as a referendum on the issue.

    1. Pominoz
      June 16, 2025

      Agree entirely

    2. Original Richard
      June 16, 2025

      PS: Of course the King does not see himself as the king of the U.K. but the whole Commonwealth if not beyond. For instance, together with Parliament and the Civil Service he sees himself as the saviour of the planet.

    3. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      International law does not recognize any treaty where one party loses territory. It is assumed that they were under duress.
      We need to repeal the evil treaties surrendering any territory, including the Johnson EU deal.

      1. formula57
        June 16, 2025

        Indeed, recognition is withheld in cases where there was coercion or force, but otherwise of course international law will recognize such treaties.

  17. NigL
    June 16, 2025

    The Chagos Islands are of zero interest, the Gibraltar settlement looks sensible if it eases worker flows etc and opens up more flights, again of zero importance to me what uniform checks my passport. In terms of farming etc we have always had to confirm to quality, H and S standards etc of the countries we export and vice versa.

    Brexiteers have always been happy to see businesses suffer with extra red tape in the name of sovereignty.

    No doubt this topic will excite a few contributors who seemed obsessed with it.

    Conversations in my family/friends are about getting doctors appointments, traffic delays, schools for the kids, cost of enjoyment out, immigration, two ties policing, useless diversity courses, tax etc etc.

    Yes international events get mentioned but on the basis that politicians of all party’s have conclusively let us down/dissembled etc over the last 25 years without being able to do anything about it, throwing one party out just gets similar from the other, I see nil reason to get exercised about it.

    Reply You should be interested in safeguarding a crucial US/UK naval and air base and in not giving away billions.

    1. Michael Staples
      June 16, 2025

      The whole point of Brexit was to get rid of stifling red tape from Brussels. The fact that very little regulation has been removed is the fault of our last Conservative government.
      You should be interested in the defence of this country and the West, and Diego Garcia is a major base in the Indian Ocean near zones of conflict. Even if you dismiss this as unimportant, do you also dismiss paying billions out of our defence budget in years to come for something we currently own?

    2. Original Richard
      June 16, 2025

      NigL : A very short sighted view. BTW the reason policies do not change when the majority party changes in Parliament is because the Civil Service does not change after GEs and they are allowed by our two main parties to be in charge of policy.

    3. glen cullen
      June 16, 2025

      ”’The Chagos Islands are of zero interest”’ ….apart from giving them £billions

    4. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      The red tape imposed on all businesses because 1 exports to the EU is only of the Brexiteer complaints.

      Your local problems are caused by the opening of our borders in treaties that are of zero interest to you. Expect your problems to increase exponentially. You deserve all of them.

    5. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      Do your conversations conclude that Starmer has rather more important issues than giving away real estate?
      No? well head in sand is fine for some of us.

  18. Original Richard
    June 16, 2025

    The PM will be seeing his actions as noblesse obliges not trachery.

  19. Roy Grainger
    June 16, 2025

    It is interesting that the Chagos deal, the Gibraltar deal, the USA trade deal, the EU deal and the Indian trade deal have all been concluded by Starmer without being debated and voted on the the House. I am aware that given the Labour majority they would all pass but it seems strange there in apparently no constitutional requirement for the government to get approval. Maybe we’ll find out that there suddenly is such a requirement following lawfare challenges when it’s Reform who are tearing up these deals.

  20. Lynn Atkinson
    June 16, 2025

    We must ditch the Royal Prerogative which is employed by the PM to rule unilaterally.

    These actions are in violation of our direct orders to the political class in the Brexit Referendum. They must pay a very heavy personal price. Maybe the ultimate price.

    1. Pominoz
      June 16, 2025

      Lynn,

      Para 1. You are right.

      Para 2. I hope you are right.

    2. glen cullen
      June 16, 2025

      100% agree

    3. Mickey Taking
      June 16, 2025

      ouch….not THAT ultimate price, surely?

  21. Ian B
    June 16, 2025

    As often quoted including by himself Two Tier Kier Starmer is a believer that it is the unelected unaccountable Socialist/Marxist lead Word Economic Forum that is the UK’s go to ruler and rule maker.

    Horde’s of Ministers, MPs, their BLOB compatriots all descend on these religious get together at the Taxpayers expense each year to get their orders. Could it be they(WEF attendees/disciples) don’t like those that empower and pay them because for the moment they can still hold them to account – that is not the way of WEF or the direction of the ‘Great Reset’

    1. Ian B
      June 16, 2025

      The above used to be just a conspiracy theory by those said to be extremists then 2TK came along and confirmed its truth in his mind. Then our Legislators and Bureaucrats took to confirming this outside religion by their actions and deeds.

      Slaves became, Surfs and now we have the Minions to do the bidding and funding of the corrupt.

  22. Michael Staples
    June 16, 2025

    Nothing about this Government makes me angrier than the Chagos deal. Unlike dealings with the EU the loss of sovereignty seems unrecoverable, and the deal seems so irrational that there must be some nefarious reason, with not only the loss of sovereignty, but the payment of billions from our defence budget for something we already own, the threat to Diego Garcia from Chinese, Russian and Iranian bad actors occupying other islands in the Chagos group and the surrender of a major protected marine area to depredations from third world fishermen. How could anyone sensible to UK national interests agree such a thing.

  23. David Cooper
    June 16, 2025

    “Any of these things can be cancelled or amended by a new government after the next election.”
    Provided that the new government is not minded to allow the ratchet effect of socialism (hat tip Enoch Powell) to remain in place, and will determinedly set about dismantling it and reversing it, as Margaret Thatcher did.
    There is all the more need for this dismantling and reversing, when the ratchet has developed into one of woke, green, globalist socialism.

  24. Keith from Leeds
    June 16, 2025

    This Labour Government’s motto should be, ” Everything we do is paid for by you. Everything we own, we will give away to!”
    The PM is a disgrace, as are his senior Ministers. The pressure of the office reveals a person’s true character, and the PM is weak and easily pushed around. If he can’t stand up to his backbenchers, what chance of him standing up to Putin or Xi, or the trade union leaders?
    I agree we need a Save Our Sovereignty campaign, but in four years’ time, there will be nothing left to save!

  25. formula57
    June 16, 2025

    Traction with the public is needed for the sovereignty point to be influential and gaining that may be a struggle as public understanding of sovereignty is imperfect.

    As a concept it is too easily dismissed by those who say we share sovereignty with our EU adversaries and cooperation is inherently and always a good thing and those who point to the limitations on sovereignty that mean no country can just do as it chooses. Accordingly, the public is misled and do not become engaged.

  26. Rod Evans
    June 16, 2025

    There is far too much adherence to the international agencies and influencers. That has been the case ever since the 1972 decision to join the EEC/EU and has been ramped up to an even higher submission since the 1992 Maastricht Treaty.
    We thought we had given government a clear and unequivocal instruction at the 2016 EU referendum. Unfortunately it looks as though every government and every PM since didn’t listen to the electorate?

  27. Bryan Harris
    June 16, 2025

    Sovereignty, like all our resources is no longer ours to command when we have an internationalist lawyer at our head – he believes in wealth transfer and all the other ideologies associated with WEF policies.

    The only way he can make everything fair and even across the world – for that seems to be his nightmarish dream, is to bring our potential down to that of a 3rd world country, to make us unable to innovate, and also by taking away our freedoms – he will have us locked up in our homes with little hope of a real future.

    By giving away what was not his to give, like a thief in the night, he can only boast his empty triumphs to a broken country.

    Parliament is once again proving it is a spent force, unable to control the excesses of the executive – Democracy has been abused and is no longer our tool, for it is being used to condemn us for our thoughts and punish us all for opposing the insanity wreaked in our name.

    We cannot wait for the ballot boxes to end this nightmare!

  28. agricola
    June 16, 2025

    This Labour government are not to be trusted with UK sovereignty, nor are the Lib/Dems, the Greens, or around two thirds of the parliamentary Conservative party. We are still at the same point in political time as we were in 2016. The only party to bring resolution will be Reform. The only questions are how long we must wait and how much damage will Labour do in the interim.

  29. a-tracy
    June 16, 2025

    JR “A party with a big majority in Parliament has every right to impose more laws, put up our taxes and waste our money if that’s what they want to do.” This isn’t quite true, though.

    Boris Johnson was stopped many times despite having a significant majority. How is what Starmer has done not breaking democracy? The public hasn’t had a say in Chagos, Gibraltar, and it wasn’t in his manifesto. Where are the Labour rebels, the court cases, the new Acts opposing this, the Lords, the Supreme Court?

    He could prorogue parliament for five weeks to stop scutiny on Brexit legislation. What Starmer did wasn’t even scrutinised it was simply forced through! We were told that our parliament provides vital checks and balances on the government’s activities. Where is unlockdemocracy.org.uk now?

    The Benn Act
    Gina Millar.

    Boris was panned for letting an ‘accused’ bully keep their job. Labour have proven liars, a man who said he was a lawyer when he wasn’t, allowed to keep his ministerial position, he lied about that in and outside the house. Rules don’t apply to powerful people. We were told with Boris when one politician lies it undermines trust in all politicians.

    The Tories turned on each other, thats why they’re in the mess they’re in today.

  30. glen cullen
    June 16, 2025

    It appears that we’d become a federal state within the EU, governed by the laws and leadership policies of the UN
    What of sovereignty….we lost our right to call ourselves sovereign when we cut off NI from the UK

  31. Angela Howard
    June 16, 2025

    We must Save Our Sovereignty- the Government should think twice about not consulting the electorate (eg over payments to France – perhaps the Chagos Island could be a place to deport illegal immigrants? ) Or Labour will lose votes to Reform in the next election. SOS

  32. Original Richard
    June 16, 2025

    Our Civil Service is on a mission to save the planet. Sovereignty for western countries is unimportant as is western culture and border controls.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      No, their mission is to sue themselves.

      1. Lynn Atkinson
        June 16, 2025

        Save – not sue –

  33. Ian B
    June 16, 2025

    Sovereignty what Sovereignty,

    The Ministry of Defence has published its intent to award a 15-year, £2.9 billion contract to French Government owned industry to support the Royal Navy’s surface ships and submarines. This is on top of the French Government being the primary supplier of quality steel to the Royal Navy.

    In context it means those we can’t vote for and cannot be held accountable for the UK taxpayer money they will be given, get to run the UK’s defences. So, the defence of the UK comes at the whims of Foreign Governments. The main cause, the UK Government, the UK’s legislators have cancelled the UK’s ability to survive. It seems a dumb proposal that industry is offshored, (wealth and prosperity is offshored, jobs lost) becomes a play thing of others, with the irony the Governments in these other domains get to earn from our own Legislator desire to cripple the UK.

    These are the same industries that supplied the UK its wealth, – UK wealth is maliciously being exported. These are same industries we that we have had embedded world class expertise, this expertise is maliciously being removed.

  34. Original Richard
    June 16, 2025

    Our Civil Srervice want us to have shared sovereignty – initially with the EU and the UN and eventually with the WEF, Russia and China. Hence the giving away of the Chagos Islands and to impoverish us with very large dowry. Plus to become a borderless land through an invasion of “strangers” with competing cultures that are not benign.

    1. Lynn Atkinson
      June 16, 2025

      You can’t share sovereignty. You either have it or not.
      Uncompromising Islam. I was lucky enough to discuss this at length with Sir Alfred Sherman, who was Jewish.
      There is no good news. Those Moslems who are compromising and amenable to living alongside us in peace are not allowed to do so. Ergo it can’t be done.

      1. glen cullen
        June 17, 2025

        correct

  35. Linda Brown
    June 17, 2025

    I have tried to give this new group PR through sites I am on. I shall be joining them as I think it really worthwhile to take people on who have devious motives for this country and its indigenous population. Groups joining together seems to be a good way of getting mass support through membership for petitions, marches, etc., which is needed to make views known.

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