Do not accept a Commission deal to re set the U.K. relationship with the EU

The PM says he wants to re set the U.K. relationship with the EU. He has a very woolly shopping list of what he wants. He wants more defence collaboration which will mean us making a bigger contribution to continental defence whilst undermining NATO. He wants improvements in trade terms, without specifying which and without acknowledging how much the U.K. was forced to give for the free trade deal we already have. He wants better co operation on stopping illegal migration though we are already paying France a fortune to secure that under an existing Agreement.

The EU will want to grasp more control over us and grab more of our money and assistance. They want freedom of movement, now disguised as a young people’s scheme for the under 30 s. As most migrants coming illegally are under 30 that is another way of saying we should take more of the migrants entering the EU. They want to bag more of our fish after the poor Transition terms fall away. Why on earth would we want them to carry on plundering our seas and impeding the rebuilding of a U.K. fishing fleet? They want us to buy more of our weapons and energy from them, epseekin* to make us more dependent.

Never accept a deal with plenty of upside for the other party and only vague warm words for yourself. What exactly does the PM want to get? Why is it worth further sacrifice to the EU? Does he get how unpopular another fish grab and freedom of movement would be?

71 Comments

  1. Mark B
    October 3, 2024

    Good morning.

    This continues the ‘drip-drip’ effect that previous administrations have been doing. Slowly but surely undermining BREXIT, or what passes for BREXIT.

    If they do not wish to govern this country, why stand for election ? Surely it can’t be just for all those freebies ?

    1. Lifelogic
      October 3, 2024

      Not just Brexit it undermines what little democracy we have. Labour have a Brino agenda “Brexit in Name Only” rather like the dire May. Now God only know why Barroness May of Net Zero insanity.

      So will these dire Tory MPs give members just Cleverly and Jenrick so as to stitch up Kemi?

      1. Lifelogic
        October 3, 2024

        Giant ‘flywheels’ to be rolled out across grid to prevent blackouts it seems, well they might store a few minutes of energy supply at best. Expensive largely pointless very short term batteries.

        So what might be better than a flywheel but a gas turbine generator or a coal fired generator. These are flywheels that can be kept going for as long as needed not just for a minute or two. So far, far better.

        Does deluded zealot Ed. Miliband ever talk to any sensible engineers? His agenda is economic, environmental, scientific and engineering lunacy. Dire for defence too.

        1. Lifelogic
          October 3, 2024

          Alas the agenda is to destroy these far, far better flywheels.

        2. Lifelogic
          October 3, 2024

          Which is better a flywheel (that can provide energy just for a few seconds) or a flywheel that is connected to a gas or coal powered generator that can supply on demand energy for as long as is needed and is thus better than 10,000 plus flywheels. Ed wants to destroy the latter and build loads of the former. The man is clearly totally insane and a huge danger to the country.

    2. Wanderer
      October 3, 2024

      @Mark B. Starmer said he prefers the WEF to Westminster. Standing for election here and being PM is his way of serving the WEF. Rather like a provincial governor in Roman times.

    3. Lemming
      October 3, 2024

      You voted for Brexit, you got Brexit. If it’s rubbish – and it is – at least have the honesty to accept responsibility for it. Everything that has happened – reduced trade, barriers at the border, no co-operation on migrants etc – is EXACTLY what Remain told you would happen if we left

    4. Ian wragg
      October 3, 2024

      Farage must make ir abundantly clear that any agreement free beer kier makes will be immediately repealed when Reform take control of parliament.
      If I was in starmers shoes I would be very careful what I agreed to.
      I can see him signing a defence Co operation agreement so Germany can live rent free and France supply our armed forces. Another step to deindustrialising us.

    5. Donna
      October 3, 2024

      Long-term career opportunities in the Globalist Quangocracy.

    6. Peter
      October 3, 2024

      Starmer does not care how unpopular his plans are.

      ‘Carry on regardless’ is his motto.

      A mute opposition is very helpful to him.

      1. glen cullen
        October 3, 2024

        You say ‘unpopular’, and yet most of the parliamentary tories are supportive of his EU/UN, net-zero and immigration plans

    7. Everhopeful
      October 3, 2024

      Obviously I can’t know but I suspect that if one obtains a high position in govt. the rewards AFTERWARDS are enormous.
      See the fees for “after dinner speaking” and lecture tours.
      When they say “career politician” I doubt they mean that their career is politics
politics is their stepping stone. Especially if they make it to PM.
      Failure doesn’t matter in the least.

    8. glen cullen
      October 3, 2024

      Agree – On this single point of ‘re-set’ & ‘closer-relationship’ with the EU, it will be unopposed across both houses of parliament ….lets face facts, they’re all pro the EU, they’ve never changed their position

    9. a-tracy
      October 3, 2024

      Starmer will be made for life. He doesn’t seem to actually want to be PM and deal with PM Questions, etc. He prefers the global table. He wants to push through all the stuff the Tories wouldn’t have gotten away with, from taking away the winter fuel to robbing private sector pensions (the danger there is that private sector workers will rebel against public sector pensions if they are continued without change).

      Meanwhile, where is Sunak? He is still the leader of the opposition; can’t we see him give a final mph? Actually, get himself in the history books for something and not just for suggesting compulsory maths to 18 and future no smoking (don’t worry, it seems they prefer cannabis and drugs anyway). Has he said anything about Starmer giving the Chagos Islands away, wanting to conjoin us to the failing EU project when we’ve only just escaped.

      Is it true there is a ÂŁ1bn fleet of new trains idle at SW Railway for years YEARS! because the Aslef Trade Union objected to the size of the windscreen wipers and nothing has been done to change them and get them operational?

      The whole country will be run by these trade unions and their MP lackys now! The union are said to have dropped their dispute against these new trains now as part of their paydeal! WHAT!!! either they were a health and safety issue or not. This happened under the Tory tenure, the subsidies to this train company obviously mean they can be relaxed about new stock in sidings for years on end. The British public are being taken for a ride.

      1. Lifelogic
        October 4, 2024

        Indeed.

  2. Andrew Jones
    October 3, 2024

    Inexperienced idiots this Government are and the EU sees them as exactly that – Free movement for young people so that they can access our top Universities at a price of the EU’s choosing – fortunately rejected by our Universities otherwise he would have accepted that. The other one being the Defence pact which again is obviously disadvantageous to us.
    Utterly clueless buffoons governing us and just asking to be taken for a ride.

    1. Peter Wood
      October 3, 2024

      100% Agree, would you let Starmer negotiate a car purchase for you? Starmer is a lawyer, lawyers rarely initiate a deal, so his approach to the EU is to set out a principle, ‘lets do more together’ and then wait to see what they propose. He, like May, Bunter and Sunak GAVE the EU the negotiating initiative. Here’s a bit a of advice, don’t even start negotiating until you know your objectives and are, MOST IMPORTANTLY, in a position of strength vs your counterparty.

    2. a-tracy
      October 3, 2024

      All the time we were in the EU the UK government was providing the student loans and maintenance loans to EU students that’s why the debt is billions of pounds and not being repaid, once they return to the EU with the quality UK degree its the last we hear from them.

  3. agricola
    October 3, 2024

    You ask ” what does the PM wish to get.” Knowing his remainer history, nothing short of a return to the rule of the EU.

    Thanks to the previous conservative government we still suffer residual EU rule in NI, and a plethora of EU law on our statute book. They did not wish us to leave either. It was ironic to hear one conservative leadership candidate yesterday claim all responsibility for Brexit, as if he could skip past the pigs ear of a Brexit they left us with. Be in no doubt, they did what they did deliberately. The result of the conservative leadership contest is irrelevant to the future of the UK, and our duplicitous shiffty PM, who had nothing to say after his tryst with Van de Lyden, is equally untrustworthy. Collectively they can only be judged by the damage they have done in the past, and plan to do in the next four years. Support for Reform can only grow, resulting in wipeout for these traitorous chancers.

    1. Lifelogic
      October 3, 2024

      He wants Brino just like net zero brain & failed PM Theresa May did. Now in the Lords as a reward for her blatant treachery against the Brexit voters.

      1. Lifelogic
        October 3, 2024

        Plus her put evil New Zero law, nodded through without even a vote by our generally moronic, scientifically illiterate or on the make MPs.

        1. Lifelogic
          October 4, 2024

          After just 90 minutes of debate they nodded through a bill that will destroy the economy, cost many billions and do vast net harms. This without any sensible or realistic cost benefit analysis.

    2. Denis Cooper
      October 3, 2024

      From various press reports I have read it seems that Starmer has no negotiating objective relating to the position of Northern Ireland, while the EU wants the UK government to commit to full enforcement of the Windsor Framework. Here is a letter I have sent to several newspapers:

      “Recently when US Vice-President Harris welcomed President Zelensky of Ukraine she held up “sovereignty and territorial integrity” as “fundamental principles”.

      If more of our own politicians thought like that they might not have allowed Boris Johnson to turn part of our country, Northern Ireland, into a condominium, with sovereignty shared between London and Brussels, left subject to an ever expanding body of EU law from which the rest of the UK has escaped, and set upon a path likely to lead to its incorporation into the Irish Republic.

      And there would not now be the prospect of a retrospective “democratic consent” vote in the Northern Ireland Assembly which will cynically set aside a central requirement of the Good Friday Agreement, that any controversial measure such as this can only pass with cross-community support.

      Moreover it is being questioned whether the current Windsor Framework arrangements are even compatible with wider international law, precisely because they threaten the territorial integrity of the UK, and the indifference of the UK government is being contrasted with their concern for Ukraine.

      Why has all this come about? Because the Great Charlatan was desperate to get his “Canada style” trade deal with the EU, which in reality is worth very little to the UK economy.”

  4. DOM
    October 3, 2024

    No doubt many in the Tory party will be secretly cheering on Starmer in his messianic quest to place the UK back under EU control. Starmer sees this moment as an opportunity to impose irreversible changes to this nation from which it will never recover. Do the Tories care? No though of course they’ll put up some token opposition for PR purposes.

    We deserve better than these lying bastards who drag our nation through the EU-UN woke Socialist crap and expose us to Maoist ideological brainwashing each day through our television screens, our newspapers and our education system.

    1. Wanderer
      October 3, 2024

      +1 DOM. Though sometimes I wonder if all of us deserve better. So many people still believe all that the MSM tell them.

      I remember seeing some explanation about propoganda being most effective against the averagely intelligent person: those in the lowest and highest quartile of IQ were least susceptible.

    2. Everhopeful
      October 3, 2024

      +++
      Agree. Agree. Agree.
      Isn’t it all so b
. depressing verging now on terrifying.
      Those who voted in Labour will suffer too but they won’t fully realise what they have done.
      Especially since Labour keeps on blaming the tories, which with the tories’ blessing they have done for years.
      I bet the real powers that be have been angling for all this since the monochrome days of Interpol and Whitehall.
      Manipulated, cheated on, lied to and trussed up like soon-to-be-banned Christmas TĂŒrkeys.
      That’s us that is!

    3. glen cullen
      October 3, 2024

      Same old same old ….yeah, just look at the candidates in the leadership race, nothing has changed, same old policies, pro EU, pro net-zero, pro social-engineering etc

  5. Clough
    October 3, 2024

    Since losing popularity over domestic issues such as overpopulation and means testing of pensioners’ winter fuel payments, Starmer has done the usual thing – escape abroad. He’s been posturing on the world stage claiming he speaks for ‘global leadership’. As far as I can tell, if that means anything, it means support for war and military escalation, and assuming the right to lecture other countries on not doing enough to wreck their own economies in the cause of ‘fighting climate change’. He claims that what he wants will benefit the British people and drive growth, when of course those policies are having the precise opposite effect. If there are any countries out there that fancy being led by the likes of Keir Starmer, heaven help them.

    1. Lifelogic
      October 3, 2024

      Starmer speaks for Global Leadership (Westminster or Davos – Davos he says with no delay) which translates as even less democracy for all UK voters. One vote every circa 5 years under first past the post, based on a manifesto of lies (see the last 10) that they will not even try to deliver is almost zero democracy already.

      So two tier, free gear Kier will repay ÂŁ6000 but not the ÂŁ100k plus it seems. Will he be paying benefit in kind income tax of circa ÂŁ50k on the rest? Or is benefit in kind tax only for plebs?

    2. Lifelogic
      October 3, 2024

      In the “Cause of ‘fighting climate change’. He claims that what he wants will benefit the British people and drive growth, when of course those policies are having the precise opposite effect.”

      The climate has always changed. But they will claim to have solved the “climate emergency” as there is no “climate emergency” this is rather easy for them. But they will destroy the economy in the process.

    3. Mitchel
      October 3, 2024

      Given the unstoppable and irreversible geopolitical changes that are underway and gathering pace globally,both the EU and the UK are heading for the dustbin of history.Does it therefore much matter if they get there singly or hand-in-hand?

      More evidence that the City is going to be dismantled:Reuters,2/10/24:”LME to approve Hong Kong for warehousing by end 2024.”

      The LME is Chinese-owned.Now factor in this:Carnegie Endowment.org,12/7/24:”Western Sanctions are pushing Russian Metals Producers into China’s Arms.”:-

      “Russian companies are not only selling more metals to China but also integrating their value chains with Chinese firms….Rusal’s aluminium exports to China almost doubled in 2023.Russia’s share of Chinese copper imports rose from 1.8% in 2022 to 10.4% last year…..the UK sanctions ban on Russian metals will enhance the role of the Shanghai Futures Exchange(SHFE);this will be a particularly significant loss for London as of April 2024 Russian origin copper,nickel and primary aluminium accounted for 50%,33% and 89% of its stocks.”

      Reuters,23/8/24:”Societe Generale leaves LME’s open-outcry trading floor,raising questions about the ring’s future.”

      Futures&options news,2/9/24:”SHFE launches more metal options….has gone live with four new options on metals-lead,nickel,tin and alumina….”

      Gulf News,3/9/24:”LME adds Saudi Arabia’s Jeddah Islamic Port to its approved list of locations for copper and zinc storage.”

      Belt & Road Portal;” the SHFE has always focused on the REAL economy.”(my highlighting!)

  6. Bloke
    October 3, 2024

    Anti-democratic Starmer opposed the will of the people and attempted to reverse the EU Referendum result. He is just trying to inveigle a return to our subjugation by whatever means he can.
    He would do better if for state occasions he wore the red dresses gifted to his wife and loaned them to her to wear as second hand. That would be more transparent and above board.

  7. Old Albion
    October 3, 2024

    Two-tier Starmer was a ‘remainiac’ and is now a ‘rejoiner’ He’ll have us back in the EU if there’s half a chance. And there won’t be any referendum involved …………

    1. Lifelogic
      October 3, 2024

      Indeed but it will be Brino, Brexit in name only.

  8. dixie
    October 3, 2024

    Reform should state it will rescind any agreement with the EU when it comes to power.
    Poison Starmer’s well.
    Perhaps the CUP might want to consider a similar statement if it can ever get it’s head out of the sand and recognise it must govern our country properly and for our benefit first, not the politicians and especially foreign interests.

  9. Berkshire Alan
    October 3, 2024

    No surprise, given the present terms negotiated at the time, and then modified by the Windsor agreement later.
    Not enough true Brexitiers in Parliament 10 years ago, and even fewer now.
    The black hole will get bigger as we follow European policies at great expense once again.

  10. Wanderer
    October 3, 2024

    Sneaking illegal migrants into the country under the guise of an under-30s freedom of movement package is particularly noxious. I hope the opposition (Reform) kick up an almighty stink.

  11. Donna
    October 3, 2024

    The Establishment’s objective is for us to be the Leader of the Outer Tier of the EU when a two-tier structure is created – probably after the Ukraine war ends.

    A two-tier structure was proposed by Cameron to Merkel, which she rejected thinking we wouldn’t dare vote to Leave. Macron revived it. There will be the core Eurozone and Associated Nations outside the Euro, to include the remaining EFTA nations, Turkey, rump-Ukraine and, in due course, the other MENA nations bordering the Med.

    Keir-Ching! will get us as close to the EU as he possibly can, whilst denying that he is betraying the Brexit Referendum. But that was also the Not-a-Conservative-Party-Grandees’ objective …. which is why Johnson and Sunak did very little to take advantage of the limited freedom from EU control they permitted.

  12. Mike Wilson
    October 3, 2024

    I’d be quite happy to see freedom of movement back. It was the only downside from our notional Brexit. We have freedom of movement anyway. Clearly anyone in the world who wants to come here, can – and get free hotel accommodation and pocket money. Odd, really, I have to pay whenever I stay in a hotel.

  13. Sakara Gold
    October 3, 2024

    Denying the economic reality of the rapid global energy transition is starting to look like the Luddites opposing the transition from inefficient cottage industries to mass production in factories.

    The huge global investment in renewables is creating lower cost energy for industry and householders. New hydropower capacity is set to rise ~18% or 230GW by 2030 . New solar capacity of 447GW (+90% year on year) was installed in 2023 making 1.6TW of total capacity, projected to rise to more than 2TW by the end of 2024. (Source; IEA) Globally, 117GW of new wind capacity was installed in 2023 with a further 1.2TW scheduled by 2030.

    Evs reduce the need for hydrocarbons and are more efficient and cheaper to run from overnight domestic electricity supply than ICEs. Regardless of tariffs, EV exports are fast improving the balance of payments for China, India and several other oil importing countries. The UK must use our car industry to exploit this fantastic opportunity for exports

    The reduction in polluting emissions in American cities is improving general health and is reducing healthcare costs. In India, Indonesia and Malaya electric 3-wheeler rickshaws and mopeds are making a huge difference by improving margins for their owners.

    The UK should be part of this global trend, the reduction in imported energy costs will benefit the Exchequer and reduce household bills.

    Reply More nonsense. The U.K. had to make a large increase in the power price to get offers of more renewables. U.K. electricity bills have just gone up 10%. Car makers cannot sell enough battery cars despite tax breaks and fuel duty on them. What taxes do you us to put up to replace fuel duty?

    1. Sakara Gold
      October 4, 2024

      @ Sir John
      UK energy bills have risen 10% because OFGEN wanted an increase in the “standing charge” which had not risen for several years; plus the price of domestic electricity is tied to the global price of gas, which has risen this year. The last government failed to invest in more charging points and did its level best to discourage the public from buying an EV; Hunt imposed a 20% VAT rate on using public chargers and removed price regulation from the private charging companies, resulting in huge increases in cost per mile. Several tax breaks for buying an EV were removed.

      I have always supported a transition from fuel duty to charging per mile. The tech needed to do this is ready and could also be applied to ICE vehicles using the APNR system. It would be fairer if heavy road users paid more to use the roads than a rural, elderly couple who need their car once a week to go shopping.

  14. Dave Andrews
    October 3, 2024

    If he wants good relationships with our neighbours, the way to do it is to have good fences.
    He on the other hand is one of that brigade that look upon the EU as some kind of Shangri-La. He wants to join up with them and be accepted in their company.

  15. Ian B
    October 3, 2024

    Does any one thing that 2TK and his team would be honest about anything until after the event?

  16. Richard1
    October 3, 2024

    What he, every govt minister (with one ex-Tory exception) and c. 90% of MPs want is to reverse Brexit. It will happen most likely thus: 1) a ‘re-set’ deal in which as pointed out the U.K. gets nothing but warm words and a few smiley photo-ops but the EU takes back some control; 2) a resolute refusal to take any advantage of Brexit freedoms eg with new trade deals which might impede any future rejoin initiative; 3) next parliament or if the conservatives continue to implode maybe in this one, rejoin the single market and / or customs union; 4) depending on opinion polls, rejoin. Probably the work of 2 parliaments.

    Conservative Brexiteers had an opportunity to cement Brexit by backing a smooth transition after the Johnson chaos and incompetence to Sunak. But instead they went for the incompetent and inarticulate truss and we went to -30% in the polls. The blob seized control. And so unexpected victory for de facto Rejoin was sealed.

  17. Donna
    October 3, 2024

    The original name for what has become the EU was The European Coal and Steel Community. It was intended to control the products essential for war (along with the food supply).

    We are already dependent on food imports and, by restricting our farming sector via the Net Zero scam, they are making us even more dependent on imports.

    Switch “coal” for “energy” and they are making us dependent on imported energy from the continent ….. that’s what the inter-connectors are for.

    And now they have killed national steel production. Google reports “the European Union (EU) has over 500 steel production sites …. the EU steel industry is a key part of Europe’s construction and manufacturing industries. The main producers (2002) are Germany, Italy France, Spain, Poland …..”

    So ALL the products essential to fight a war have been deliberately compromised or eliminated in the UK.

    Now why would the Establishment do that?

    Because they want us in the EU’s proposed Defence Pact. And Keir-Ching! will sign us up to it.

    It’s never about what they say it’s about. It has SFA to do with the climate.

  18. agricola
    October 3, 2024

    Your title infers that we the electorate have some control, we do not. All decision making on the relationship between the UK/EU has been handed to Starmer, until such time that an election is forced or due. Todays totally unsatisfactory situation began with the duplicity of Brexit means Brexit Mrs May, and has continued to this day via successive remainer governments. Whatever Starmer may say, he and his government are remainers. This will pertain until Reform sweep them aside. Do not expect anything from a revamped consocialist party. Even with a real Brexit leader they would have to contend with a parliamentary party that is anything but. Nigel is absolutely correct in having nothing to do with them. In present guise the conservative party is the opposition to a renaissance UK.

  19. Bryan Harris
    October 3, 2024

    The PM is a treacherous europhile – he will do anything to get us back into the full control of the EU. He has made that clear. Yet another example of him going against the wishes of the majority, but stealing #10 on such a limited voter mandate made him think he can always go against the majority and do as he wishes.

    He wants us back in the EU, he wants us paying more of our limited resources into the EU for nothing in return, but he sees this as a price worth paying. He wouldn’t be doing this if he had confidence in his own ability to run the country properly.He wants to have some central entity command his actions because he recognizes his own failings, his own incompetence and his lack of ability. He is a believer in big government, supports the idea of an undemocratic one world government.

    Who in parliament or the media is going to challenge the actions of this traitor apart from our host.?

  20. Alan Paul Joyce
    October 3, 2024

    Dear Mr. Redwood,

    There will be no cherry-picking says the EU as it presents its list of cherries to the UK, unable to believe its luck that the new and very well-dressed man in No.10 wants nothing for something.

  21. Bryan Harris
    October 3, 2024

    More nonsense from HMG — Gridscale Batteries and Fire Risk – Energy storage

    Large numbers of battery energy storage systems (BESSs) are being installed around the world, and particularly in the UK, often along side solar farms or at the landfalls of offshore windfarm export cables, but sometimes as standalone facilities. These are rapidly increasing in scale. This paper examines some of impacts of batteries on communities. BESSs are being installed in high numbers. The largest BESS facilities usually on agricultural land, and, particularly in England, close to concentrations of housing. However, batteries are large and unstable concentrations of energy and thus their presence near human habitation brings major risks, particularly from fire.
    This is yet more incompetence from HMG to keep alive their dogmatic attempts to ensure de-industrialisation.

    Net Zero Watch:
    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/656f411497ae14084ad8d03a/t/66fd2383b56dbc6906390297/1727865736681/Fannon-Batteries.pdf

  22. Original Richard
    October 3, 2024

    “What exactly does the PM want to get?”

    Well, he could give the EU unfettered access to our fishing grounds in return for taking all their undocumented migrants. He could offer to reduce the planet’s CO2 emissions by swapping the closing down of all our electricity gas generation plants in return for the EU allowing us to build more renewables and UK/EU interconnectors. He could offer the EU greater export potential to the UK in return for increasing our carbon taxes and closing our CO2 emitting industries. Perhaps even tougher City regulations, free university places and free NHS treatment to help “reset the relationship”.

    No doubt the EU will insist upon and get the return of Sir Oliver Robbins KCMG CB to lead the UK side of the negotiations and possibly even Mrs. May.

    Unfortunately there will be no opposition from the official ‘Chocolate Teapot’ Opposition as the vast majority themselves are all in favour of re-joining the EU. Just as they cannot act as an opposition to the government’s policies of mass immigration and the CO2- is-a toxin mass delusion aka CAGW/Net Zero as they’re all Opposition policies anyway.

  23. Peter Lloyd
    October 3, 2024

    Thank you for raising this. Those connected with the Government or Conservative Party appear no to be doing so.

  24. Peter Gardner
    October 3, 2024

    The EU is working on substituting QMV for unanimity in EU decisions on defence, security and foreign affairs. This puts it in fundamental misalignment with NATO in which member states are fully sovereign. In NATO political control of forces always and in all circumstances remains with the individual member states. QMV would mean the EU having direct control of the armed forces of all EU member states. The EU would represent all EU member states in NATO, in the same way that it represents them all in the WTO, and deciding whether or not EU states’ armed forces would be committed to NATO operations. NATO would, in effect become a bilateral treaty between the US and the EU with a few hangers on – Norway, Iceland, UK and a couple of minor states. The UK should not have a bar of it.
    Sovereignty MUST remain with the nation state. This is a fundamental assumption of international law by which nation states may use armed force against other states and by which they are held accountable in law for their actions. Not being a state how would the EU be held accountable in international law?

  25. Peter Gardner
    October 3, 2024

    I dare say David Lord Cameron of Remain and Palestine would be very supportive of a Labour agreement for UK to take a quota of unlawful immigrants from the EU. I suspect he was already discussing the possibility in secret from his perch in the Lords while Sunak was PM. There is no doubt such an agreement would stop the boats. Hey Presto! Commitment met – but problem far worse. There would be more of them, flown in at tax payer expense instead of funding themselves and still getting all the freebies and finding a lower asylum rejection rate than France, which are the main reasons they come to UK – in breach of article 5 of the ECHR.

  26. formula57
    October 3, 2024

    ” What exactly does the PM want to get? “ – something to suit himself perhaps?

    This Starmer government seems to be resetting may relationships, those with the USA and Ireland amongst them. No good seems to be happening as a consequence whilst the relationships that do need a re-set – with Russia, Iran, China and some others apparently do not merit attention. Just as well maybe.

    As for the EU, is not Mr. Starmer simply acting as the instrument of the British establishment, so just acts vice Mr. Sunak given the election result.

  27. Atlas
    October 3, 2024

    “Lions led by Donkeys” applies to our dealings with the EU as well.

  28. Peter from Leeds
    October 3, 2024

    Old Albion – we originally joined under Ted Heath without a referendum. So no referendum needed. Of course our politicians have always known what’s best for us …. nothing new there.

  29. Denis Cooper
    October 3, 2024

    Starmer wants a “more pragmatic and mature relationship with the EU” but that will depend on what the EU wants.

    If they insist that none of their existing rules can be varied – “bent”, as they say – then of course he will just give in.

  30. The Prangwizard
    October 3, 2024

    ‘Do not accept a Commision deal to re set..’

    Do not talk to them at all.

    But that would be too tough for politicians who live for it.

  31. James4
    October 3, 2024

    We are not a million miles away from the EU it is right there on our doorstep and cannot be ignored – Starmer is a realist he’s looking for his party and want’s to be elected again in five years so he has in mind to the next generation as well – by then if things are going right there’s a good chance people will vote Labour again otherwise they’ll vote for some kind of alternative – It doesn’t always have to be ‘brexit or reset’ – there is middle ground

    1. Mickey Taking
      October 3, 2024

      you’ve totally lost me there.

  32. Denis Cooper
    October 3, 2024

    I don’t pretend to fully understand this, but it does not strike me as being “pragmatic” and “mature”.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-reset-risk-cap-card-transaction-fee-eu-warn-uk-tulip-siddiq-visa-mastercard/

    “Brexit reset at risk if you cap card fees, EU lawmakers warn UK”

    “Thawing post-Brexit relations are under threat if the U.K. does not rethink a proposed cap on card transaction fees, European lawmakers are warning London.”

    “But a letter from Members of the European Parliament to Britain’s new Labour City Minister Tulip Siddiq demands a rethink of a proposed cap on how much Visa and Mastercard can charge for card payments.”

    “They say the plan would place EU companies at “distinct disadvantage” and risk “undermining” the overhaul of ties.”

  33. JohnK
    October 3, 2024

    Sir John:

    Perhaps the EU offered to buy Sir Keir some new suits? He seems to like suits, although all of his look the same to me.

    How many suits did Mauritius buy him to abandon Diego Garcia? Perhaps Mr Lammy will get some suits too. He needs a suit that fits him, he seems to have expanded quite a lot lately.

    So long as our leaders have nice new clothes, who cares about national security?

  34. MikeP
    October 3, 2024

    Everyone bangs on about the Erasmus deal, which clearly benefited EU students who wanted to study at UK’s global top 10 universities (like Oxbridge, London, Edinburgh) while UK students had poor equivalents in the EU. But whatever happened to the replacement Turing Scheme that opened up the world’s unis not just EU’s?

    1. Will in Hampshire
      October 3, 2024

      If I recall correctly, the Turing scheme was announced as an aspiration before it had been negotiated.

  35. agricola
    October 3, 2024

    Today we learn of the return of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius. No problem providing the sole use of the military base remains under the control of the UK and USA, and the chinese are not allowed anywhere near these islands.

    Problem however is with Starmer. No hint of it in the Labour manifesto, no discussion of it in Parliament, no imput from the opposition. SKS presents it as a fait a compli, no doubt to please the pro chinese lobby in Labour. Lets see the detail in which the devil resides.

  36. Roy Grainger
    October 3, 2024

    No Starmer doesn’t know how unpopular it would be for the general public (or the far right as he classes them) he only knows how popular it would be in his Islington/Media bubble.

  37. Mickey Taking
    October 3, 2024

    The EU want, and Starmer and his band of fools which appears to include most of the old Conservative Party, seems to agree to give up what we have struggled to be free of since 2016.
    They want us to take a large slice of their crippling Budget, provide a military force they won’t spend on and might replace their inadequate barrier to Putin, offer the young benefit of our education centres yet they have denied our young work opportunities in the EU. No doubt they cast an eye of our fishing waters, and agriculture and animal husbandry will be targets.
    Before any of this could take place it needs public consultation and at least one referendum to ensure UK goes into this with eyes open watching the sleight of hand that went before.

    1. glen cullen
      October 3, 2024

      Best not mention UK fishiers

  38. Ukretired123
    October 3, 2024

    What does Starmer want?
    Seems like he wants to be head of the world court, as the ICJ is known, is the principle judicial organ of the UN which adjudicates disputes between nations, based on giving away the Chagos Islands today and other recent highbrow pronouncements coming from his mouth. Keir first, Labour second and country last.

  39. Ed M
    October 4, 2024

    Looking at Tories today and comparing to 35 years ago – and it’s abysmal Tories today.

    Tories in Tory Cabinet 1990: Thatcher, Howe, Mellor, Lawson, Lamont, Lilley, Clarke, Redwood, Patten, Hurd, Gummer, Baker, Fowler, Howard, Parkinson, Portillo, Ridley, Waldergrave, Shephard, King – I’m sure I’ve left some good ones out. And compare to now.

    Tories got to do something to try and attract higher quality MPs.

    1. Berkshire Alan
      October 4, 2024

      Ed M
      Not just the Tories, look at Labour, LibDems, SNP.
      We lack quality politicians in Parliament full stop.
      We seem to be attracting more and more incompetent wannabes.

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