The Conservative leadership election

This website does not talk a lot about the Conservative party any more following the big defeat. It rightly concentrates on the government, as it did when Conservatives were in office. However, we do need a good Opposition and so I am doing a piece about the Conservative Leadership race. The choice of the best candidate to become Leader of the Opposition does matter, as he or she will have the first right of reply to government in the House, have five questions every week to the PM  and the right to choose the debates for Opposition days. They will also need to decide how the Conservative party deals with the 7 million voters who left it for Reform or to abstain.The 5 Reform MPs will also develop their own role as an Opposition party.

How have the four Conservative candidates performed in Opposition?

Perhaps the best test of them is to see how they have spent their first three months in opposition and to see how successful they have been.

Robert Jenrick has made a number of successful attacks on Labour policy despite not being a Shadow Cabinet member. He has provided a good critique of the Prime Minister’s conduct, of the migration failings, of the bad international negotiations and of the freebies and donations.

Tom Tugendhat shadows the Security Minister. He sent him a good will message on appointment and has failed to attack him for anything that comes up on a Google search. Indeed many people do not know the name of the current Security Minister, Dan Jarvis because his faults of commission and omission are not highlighted by his Shadow. He is responsible for  reducing organised crime and for counter terrorism. There are plenty of issues over foreign criminals, illegal migration, the handling of the Middle East and UK self sufficiency in protection and defence items to pursue.

Kemi Badenoch shadows Angela Rayner. She has been spoilt for choice over whether to highlight the freebies and lifestyle, the failure to come forward with planning legislation despite the urgency, the lack of understanding by Rayner of the importance of mortgages and interest rates to the housing market and the likelihood Rayner will not hit her ambitious housing targets. The only Google result is a general condemnation of Rayner for not having “a clue what she is doing”

James Cleverly shadows Yvette Cooper. He did engage when Cooper sought to exaggerate the costs and minimise the advantages of the Rwanda scheme. He has not followed through more recently in detail.

How did they perform in government?

Robert Jenrick tried hard to control legal and illegal migration. Frustrated by a lack of support from the rest of the government he resigned over the need to firm up the policy and did good detailed work on the backbenches putting to government practical ways of delivering Conservative promises on immigration. He showed he had got it before the electorate passed their verdict on broken promises.

Tom Tugendhat did not use his post as Security Minister to make important changes to the control of our borders or to tackle organised crime. Nor did he use his power to speak and influence on defence matters to increase our national self sufficiency in weapons or seek to give us a better Iron Dome type defence. I never heard him express any views in private that wanted change to a government that was clearly letting the country down.

Kemi Badenoch who now speaks eloquently of the need for less regulation and smaller government as Deregulation Minister took out the main measures  of repeal from the EU laws Bill that had passed the Commons . She  blocked many good ideas for less and better regulation put to her by MPs. She did not lead positively on the closure of steel works, the compensation and need for  improved management at the Post Office, or the impact of net zero policies on the car industry, usually leaving these key issues to junior Ministers in her department.

James Cleverly did put in agreed proposals to reduce legal migration which are now having an impact. He did not accept amendments to the law proposed by Robert Jenrick and others to get flights off to Rwanda sooner to increase the deterrent effect.

 

Conclusion

I recommend that MPs vote for Robert Jenrick and James Cleverly to go to the members for decision. I  expect Tom Tugendhat to be dropped in the next MP voting round, and think it likely Kemi Bademoch is dropped at the final MP round.

67 Comments

  1. agricola
    October 6, 2024

    Frankly SJR, I cannot see any of them having a serious opposition impact. Even were they to, it is very doubtful the parliamentary party would give them unquestioning support. Conservatism is on life support in Parliament.

    The big voice in opposition will I hope come from Reform, in quality if not in frequency, due to their numbers. They are busy building their case on social media and in the constituencies, in anticipation of local elections and the next general election. Your sort of conservatism now only resides in Reform and the country at large. I am sure they would be grateful for the level of financial expertise you and the likes of Liam Halligan could bring to the party. The task of resetting the UK is a monumental one so please do your bit, publicly or below the horrizon, as you think fit.

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    1. Ian wragg
      October 6, 2024

      Non of the candidates are tories in the true sense of the word. They are all tainted with being part of the mass failure of the last government.
      The current incumbents are going to continue to slash and burn our country with the only opposition coming from Reform.
      It matters not one iota who is selected to oversee the final death throes of the once mighty conservative party.

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      1. Ian B
        October 6, 2024

        @Ian wragg +1

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      2. Berkshire Alan
        October 6, 2024

        +1
        My thoughts as well, traditional Conservatives will stick with Reform if they can grow a big enough Party in time for the next election whenever that may be.

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      3. Lifelogic
        October 6, 2024

        Whomever they choose they he or she be leading about 100 lefty, net zero pushing, tax to death Libdims, most of whom lied to voters in up to four manifestos – then they chose to betray all these promises and serially to kick their supporters in the face.

        Reply Leading a party which has just won 5 Council by election seats from Labour as have Lib Dem’s, with Reform winning 2. The battle to oppose is intense.

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      4. glen cullen
        October 6, 2024

        +1

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    2. Peter
      October 6, 2024

      “ Frankly SJR, I cannot see any of them having a serious opposition impact. Even were they to, it is very doubtful the parliamentary party would give them unquestioning support.”

      Sums it up concisely.

      Conservatives have said nothing of worth since losing the election. Many will have noticed they have gone missing but how many will be that bothered?

      I do not think they will change. They will hope that buyers’ remorse and Buggins’ turn will get them back in power. They are also hoping support for Reform will somehow disappear.

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      1. Peter
        October 6, 2024

        Ancient scribbler Janet Daley in the Torygraph:-

        “A Conservative comeback is beginning to look inevitable

        There are no serious challenges to the party in the long-term, and Labour is flailing under the rule of Sir Keir Starmer”

        She thinks Reform will somehow go the way of the Social Democrats.

        Dream on Janet.

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    3. Lemming
      October 6, 2024

      I can only agree. Why vote for Jenrick’s Conservatives who are trying to mimic Nigel Farage? Why not vote for the real thing?

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  2. Mark B
    October 6, 2024

    Good morning

    Perhaps the best test of them is to see how they have spent their first three months in opposition . . .

    What, it has taken your party (I assume you are still a member) three plus months to choose a leader ! Mrs.T was gone and replaced in days ! Your party faffs around whilst Starmer and his mob run riot. All planned and agreed I would argue. Ergo – Lack of Opposition. Anyway, we all know its going to be the Diversity Hire 😉

    . . . the lack of understanding by Rayner of the importance of mortgages and interest rates to the housing . . .

    Oh I think the ‘Dear Deputy Leader’ knows more about housing than you give her credit for, Sir John, Know what I mean 😉 It ain’t just dresses, but address as well.

    The only Google result is a general condemnation of Rayner for not having “a clue what she is doing”

    She is in good company, and not just on her own benches, but the ‘Opposition’ (sic) Benches too ! I would say something about pots and kettles, what with them being much alike, but it could be misconstrude given that the Diversity Hire comes under the pot bit. Don’t want the ‘Thought and Hurty Word Police’ tapping on my door.

    What concerns me most, and I have said this here many years ago, is that for our so called democracy to work, it has to have an effective Oppostion Party to hold it to account. But the Conservative Party and those running for its Leader are so tainted with failure, you might as well leave the Little Usurper in charge. It’ll do him some good.

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    1. Wanderer
      October 6, 2024

      +1. The best they could all do is get different jobs and recommend Tory voters select another Party to follow: one that behaves like a Conservative one.

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      1. Ian B
        October 6, 2024

        @Wanderer +1

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    2. Peter Wood
      October 6, 2024

      None of the candidates have completed their apprenticeships; so I agree, there is going to be precious little effective opposition from the PCP. Ms Baddenoch was real disappointment, she talks a very good talk but when she had the power she buckled.
      I’m beginning to wonder about Mr Farage; is he just getting too comfortable to be bothered with the madness and risks of politics?

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      1. Mickey Taking
        October 6, 2024

        Like Starmer, why show your best weapons when little is to be gained? Sitting back and let the Party in power hang itself….time will show.

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  3. javelin
    October 6, 2024

    If you do the maths based on the OBR figure of each low skilled migrant costing tax payers ÂŁ500,000 and 4 million low skilled migrants (there are probably double that) then you end up with a cost to tax payers of ÂŁ2 trillion. This figure doubles the national debt. Possibly triples the national debt.

    So the question becomes what does this debt look like. It’s not in the form of Gilts or financial contracts.

    This debt is what I will call “immigrant debt”.

    Immigrant debt needs to be paid for not in the form of financial repayments but in the form of benefits, council houses, prisons, health, schools etc. In other words immigration debt takes the form of Government spending and flys “under the radar”.

    To hide this debt the Government can stop publishing the figures and can claim you are a racist if you want to know them. It’s latent, permissive, inflation linked debt.

    The biggest signs of this debt is that Government services fall by becoming “diluted”.

    Another sign of this debt is that Government borrowing becomes limited so that instead of borrowing money they have to spend the debt directly on services.

    Hiding spending, falling services and limited borrowing are three key features of Government over the past year.

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    1. Donna
      October 6, 2024

      Nicely put.

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  4. formula57
    October 6, 2024

    In the time since the election none of those candidates have come close to putting in the effort and providing the eloquent critique of the government that you have done Sir John. Nor has Mr. Sunak, despite taking the salary.

    None of the candidates has explained how they will go about leading c. 100 Lib Dems/ social democrats who will not wish to be led anywhere a Conservative would want to take them. Those candidates who are themselves amongst the c.100 perhaps consider there is no need of course.

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    1. R.Grange
      October 6, 2024

      Exactly right, F57.

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    2. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      +1

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  5. Lifelogic
    October 6, 2024

    Kemi is the preferred choice of the members so this would prevent then getting a fair choice. Cleverly is rather tedious and certainly not remotely clever. He was also it seems in favour of the Chagos policy.
    Cleverly says broadly the right things now but how can we possibly trust him? Plus he moronically still believes in the Net Zero lunacy He reminds me of cast iron David Cameron low tax at heart, thin gruel, Euro Sceptic, I will stay on and deliver either outcome of the referendum vote, abandon ship, tax to death dave


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    1. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      A tweet from Clare Coutinio

      So now we know:

      Winter Fuel Payment – won’t raise any money

      Schools Tax – won’t raise any money

      Private Equity & Nom Doms Tax – won’t raise any money

      Turns out Rachel’s politics of envy doesn’t pay and it’ll be the public who are stuck with the bill.

      All true but she is another fool who either believes in Net Zero or lies that she does. She should add Net Zero and carbon capture total lunacy. The market rigging in energy, EV cars, education, housing, transport
 all mad.

      Indeed from that huge tax levels left by the Con-Socialist tax increases in general will raise not more tax and kill growth and the UK tax base. As will open door low skilled immigration.

      Reply Good points. Claire is doing a great job as Shadow Energy.

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      1. Lifelogic
        October 6, 2024

        Claire Coutinho rather.

        On Any Questions yesterday, the four panelist were asked about Carbon Capture three supported this ÂŁbillion down the drain lunacy, the other was a green zealot who was against it as he sees it as a ruse to keep using gas, coal and oil.

        The sensible answer is obviously we should keep using fossil fuels and not waste money and energy capturing the net beneficial CO2. Typical BBC panel. I listened to Any Answers to see if any of the public would put them right. But they devoted the who of the programme to the Assisted Suicide debate which the lefty, touchy feely, dopy presenter insisted on absurdly calling it “assisted dying” at least she did not go for “assisted passing away”.

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      2. Lifelogic
        October 6, 2024

        Well yes good points but she has a half maths degree (albeit only from Oxford) so she should be able to understand that net zero is lunacy, carbon capture is lunacy, CO2 is net beneficial, EV cars safe no CO2, heat pumps are pointless and impractical in general.

        So is she lying and pretending to want net zero for political reasons or has she actually fallen for this mad religion?

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  6. ferd
    October 6, 2024

    I accept your views on the performance of the candidates but am sorry you didn’t mention Tory principles which to me is the key issue. Only Kemi Badenoch recognises that – so far. She therefore will get my vote.

    Reply Kemi failed to implement Conservative principles as Business Secretary, undermining moves to less regulation.

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    1. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      If you members are allowed to vote for Kemi and not stitched up. If Kemi does get in will she be removed by the generally dire Tory MPs as Truss was?

      Very clever of Sunak and the BoE to blame the appalling economic mess Chancellor Sunak & the BoE left on the few days of poor Truss who was broadly right if rather clumsy.

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    2. Narrow Shoulders
      October 6, 2024

      That is true Sir John – are you in a position to comment on how much of that failure was collective responsibility and direction from the PM and how much was missing principles?

      Or should we take your evident preference for others as the answer?

      Reply There was no visible wish to change the government to a Conservative direction.

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    3. Michael Staples
      October 6, 2024

      It is always easy to blame Kemi for not doing something while in government, but what were the constraints on her, financially, from other ministers, and from the PM.
      I still think she has the capacity to be a second Thatcher, the only one with a STEM background, and probably the most sceptical of the Net Zero delusion. This government needs a complete demolition job from the Opposition front bench and I believe she is the most capable of delivering it.

      Reply Listen to someone who knows these people. Kemi was Cabinet Minister in charge of deregulation, She dumped a deregulatory set of measures re EU laws which had passed the Commons which I and others had spent a lot of time on. She fully backed and defended carbon taxes and emissions trading which were upending steel and other important industries under her control. I sent her a long list of deregs from easy and popular to more difficult. She sat on them for months and then got a junior Minister to send me a civil service No letter to the whole lot. I also warned her not to tamper with employment rights, then in this election she seems to want to cut Maternity rights before backpedaling!

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  7. Hat man
    October 6, 2024

    If the Tory leadership hopefuls had spoken out vigorously against what the Labour government has been doing, they would probably have had to reveal their own policy preferences. They might even have been tempted to stand up for this country’s national interests, who knows. Then they would have lost support among some of the Tory MPs who are going to be the voters in the leadership election. My sense is that the bulk of these characters are globalist-progressive in outlook (whether or not their electorates are). To be elected, the new Tory leader will have to tack in their direction, I believe.

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  8. Lifelogic
    October 6, 2024

    It seems in the GBNew Boris interview this AM (after 9.30 I think) he is still proud of his vaccine roll out and even the Astra Zenica Oxford disaster rapidly with drawn by most countries and by the UK eventually. Clearly he either has not looked at the dire abundant stats worldwide or they are beyond him or he cannot face the truth that they did far more harm than good. Anyone youngish or who had had Covid never needed than anyway.

    The things he got wrong:- Botched half Brexit, the lockdowns, the masks, the net harm vaccines, the vast covid loans and “support”, vastly high tax levels, trusting his Theatre Studies wife on the net zero lunacy.

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    1. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      Boris also failed to grasp the problem that the MHRA was funded and hugely compromised by Big Pharma an absurd conflict of interest. He chose duff experts who gave him duff vested interest advice. Boris has come round to the Lab Origins after gain of function but this was obvious very early on.

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    2. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      The fact that the UK kept pushing the AZ vaccines long after the problems of Blood clots in combination with low platelet levels (thrombocytopenia) were observed is another huge scandal. Reported very early indeed from Japan I think.

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    3. Narrow Shoulders
      October 6, 2024

      I had the Astra Zeneca vaccine as did many others. The minute chance of side effects was an acceptable risk to me at the time. Certainly more so than taking gene therapy vaccines which made me feel under the weather for about two months.

      The risk profile at the time of the roll out meant that using the vaccines was the right thing to do. 20 20 hindsight is easy.

      Where they erred was in trying to make vaccination mandatory. Which kind of defined how they governed overall and softened the population up for this authoritarian Labour administration.

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    4. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      Boris seems now to at least half accept that the lockdowns were a mistake. Of course they were a mistake mate how could they not be:-

      Positives, it may delay a few vulnerable people getting Covid allowing them to live for a few weeks or months longer (but in isolation) and it might help smooth out NHS demand for covid care slightly.

      Negatives:- It delays millions of natural vaccinations for the young and healthy, thus extending the pandemic, it cost £ billions, killed many other patients through delayed cancer and other treatments, damaged education, destroyed the economy and work ethic


      So positives about 1% negatives about 99% well done those deluded experts! Almost as wrong headed as the Net Zero “experts”.

      Boris still boasting about the fastest roll out of the “vast net harm” Covid Vaccines coerced even into people with zero need of them (health, young and had had Covid already). This now overwhelmingly clear from the many stats. around the World.

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  9. Nigl
    October 6, 2024

    Interesting assessment based on fact not froth. Frankly the whole of the shadow cabinet has disappointed by their failure to,’go for the throat’ on Labour’s obvious failings, culturally Sunak is not like that, so you have wasted all these months since the eoecyion.

    Looking at the pathetic squabbling that has been going, denial about why you lost and an almost pathological refusal to accept Reform needs to be dealt with, not ignored, I have zero confidence in the future of the right.

    It needs a reset and take out their commitment to PR and seek accommodation. A fractured right will always allow Labour in and the Lib Dems to pick up scraps.

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    1. Narrow Shoulders
      October 6, 2024

      It may be with the fractured right that PR is the only way that the Conservative party will ever get back in.

      Which is why Labour won’t countenance it until they look like losing.

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  10. Old Albion
    October 6, 2024

    There’s a leadership election for the Conservative party ? Who knew……….

    How long does it take for heavens sake. While the Consevative party procrastinate. Two-tier Keir and Co. are getting away with their failure and fiddles.

    For me it’s a two horse race; Jenrick or Badenoch. In the event either of them win. I would like to hope the loser is offered a cabinet position.

    P.S. Tugendhat is my MP. Inspiring he ain’t

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    1. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      But are the Con socialist net zero loving MP about to nobble Kemi and deprive members voters of any real choice?

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      1. Lifelogic
        October 6, 2024

        We will find out on Tuesday.

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    2. Mickey Taking
      October 6, 2024

      After all this time, still navel gazing, trying to present worthwhile candidates for Leadership and failing – the Party is still doomed, the ship heading for the graveyard of the rocks unaware that steering away is required.
      Starmer and the rag tag must be thinking ‘do what we said we would – nothing in the way’.

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  11. Sakara Gold
    October 6, 2024

    James Cleverly is getting considerable positive exposure in the Conservative press for his leadership campaign.

    Cleverly is a popular, middle of the road One Nation Tory who has shunned the divisive policies of the right, which were so decisively rejected by the electorate at the last election. A reserve army officer, he was one of the few cabinet ministers prepared to visit swing constituencies in support of Conservative candidates during the campaign. Many feel that he epitomises the “common sense” brand of Conservatism that the middle class usually espouse.

    Cleverly recently wrote:- “For the Conservative Party to win the next election, we need to resell our conservative values, be the party of prosperity, and remake the argument for capitalism. We need to prioritise driving economic growth, not through high migration but through lower taxes and cutting regulation, and by giving working people a bigger stake in our society.”

    Outstanding. The Party would do well to elect James as the new Leader

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    1. Lifelogic
      October 6, 2024

      He has no chance in a members vote and he is being pushed so as they to give members no real choice. He is too dim for one thing, he makes even John Major lock competent.

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      1. Lifelogic
        October 6, 2024

        “hospitality & management studies” at Ealing College of Higher Education it seems.

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      2. Lifelogic
        October 6, 2024

        1/3 of the vote, 20% of voters is hardly decisive? Only decisive due the huge split on the right and FPTP voting.

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    2. Mickey Taking
      October 6, 2024

      the Conservative Press being?

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    3. Narrow Shoulders
      October 6, 2024

      Would you highlight the “divisive policies of the right that were rejected by the electorate” please?

      This was the most centre left Conservative party ever, even the Cameron Osborne iteration wanted a smaller state.

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    4. Donna
      October 6, 2024

      He’s almost as boring as Keir-Ching!

      And his track record is as a Globalist, Net Zero-loving, LibCON. I can see the attraction for you ….. but not for the 4 million-and-rapidly-growing conservative voters who have switched to Reform.

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  12. Geoffrey Berg
    October 6, 2024

    The Conservative Party is on the verge of extinction as a significant Party that can challenge for power because:
    -No Leader has ever left it weaker or in a worse mess than Sunak
    – Most Conservative M.P.s are worse than useless, lack realistic political judgement and would be incapable of even holding their seats against any serious local challenge
    – About two thirds of the electorate would not vote Conservative at the the next General Election without very compelling reason to do so because of the mess Sunak made of being in government

    The next Leader must provide the vision, inspiration and compelling reason to vote Conservative to save it from extinction and wrest power from Labour at the next election. A mediocre Leader which the Conservatives could previously get away with when the Liberal Democrats and Reform were not posing an existential threat to them is no longer survivable.
    So far as I can see none of the 4 candidates are better than mediocre, if even that. Boris Johnson would probably be good enough but I can’t see him putting up with a long period as leader of the Opposition when he now has a wealthier and easier life elsewhere. The only remaining M.P. who might be good enough is Suella Braverman, some (but not yet all) of whose analysis immediately after the election, that the Conservative Party risks extinction and that it must apologise for past mistakes and past broken promises are belatedly being taken up by some of the candidates.They still haven’t realised the rest of her analysis that they need an accommodation with Reform and they need real leadership rather than platitudes about unity is correct. I think she would be the only hope for saving the Conservative Party.

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    1. Mickey Taking
      October 6, 2024

      excellent points well made.

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  13. Mickey Taking
    October 6, 2024

    Sir John, your first paragraph sets out the rights of Opposition in Parliament. They are available already but us, the electorate, seem starved of information. Is that due to media starving, or lack of using the opportunities available? It is as if a cabal is in place. Some democracy, eh?

    Reply The main reason is Parliament has been on holiday for most of the time since the election so the official Opposition loses its privileged platform. That however should not stop these Shadow Cabinet members trying bombard the media and social media. It needs a majority of MPs to get Parliament recalled.

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    1. Mickey Taking
      October 6, 2024

      So are they bombarding media, or does Media consider there is no story to sell?

      Reply Why do you not read what I write? I was pointing out 3 of the candidates who are in the Shadow Cabinet are not bombarding the media about government failings in their areas!

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      1. Narrow Shoulders
        October 6, 2024

        Sir John, your piece highlights that there is nothing published, that does not mean that the media is not getting the information does it? You, yourself have written in the past that if an MP doesn’t follow the media’s narrative they are not invited to take part.

        Reply I have not seen anything. The art of opposition is getting into the news.The art of surviving in government is staying out of it. Most news is negative about Ministers and government.

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  14. Ian B
    October 6, 2024

    Sir John
    None of them inspire. If as they are, the only choice available there has to be another leadership election before the GE. None of them appear to know what it is to be a Conservative; they might have fared better alongside Ed Davey.
    One of your suggestions wears his religious badge front and center, understandable it’s a family thing. But that also makes him divisive and less appealing to the majority whom are at best neutral. His comments on the UK Armed forces where uncalled for, out of touch and damaging to people who put their life on the line for this Country. Disloyalty writ large – should anyone trust him?
    Then we have the guy who ‘served in the army’ you know. Yet is undecided as to whether he is French or British as he holds joint citizenship; his wife even works in a senior position for Macron’s Government. He is unsure himself as to where his loyalties are, so we should also question those loyalties.
    Kemi appears to talk a good talk, but on the face of it isn’t coordinated with action.
    James Cleverly, more in the shadows as far as general public awareness goes. Then we realize this week he is the one that instigated the handing over of BIOT. Particularly galling when there was no basis for it, let alone a discussion. The people of those Islands were not consulted and it looks like won’t be allowed back.
    All four have a major flaw as collective responsible individuals in Cabinet of the failed administration so they own the failings of the last administration, they are the continuity of failure. Which is why whichever one is chosen for there to be a return to Conservativism and a Conservative Government there will need to be another leadership contest – the sooner the better.

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    1. Ian B
      October 6, 2024

      From today’s Telegraph.
      Polling by Opinium found that 32 per cent of the population believed that Mr Cleverly was the most “preferred or acceptable option”.
      But it was Mr Jenrick who was considered the most unacceptable Conservative leader among all voters.

      As always the political shuffling of the party organisers and the Parliamentary Group will shut down choice, get comfortable with the status quo and then wonder why it has still gone all wrong

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  15. DOM
    October 6, 2024

    Who cares.

    The Tories delivered our freedoms, our culture and our people into the arms of the Marxists and the fascist Left because they loathed being slandered as racists. That’s it, it is that simple. The sniveling rat that is Cameron, this weasel, this snake fell to his knees and paid homage to the left’s cultural and demographic agenda.

    It’s finished. The nation is lost. We can all see it. Starmer will drive the final nails into the coffin over the next 5 five years

    The Tory party will now never declare open war against Labour’s Socialist leviathan (party, institutions, unions, public sector, activists, NGO’s, BBC etc etc etc etc etc etc and bloody etc) but will simply hop on board as an act of self protection

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    1. Mickey Taking
      October 6, 2024

      Well Dom, the people out here care. The problem being who represents us? Gradually C.Central Office starved the Party in power of anybody who resembled a Conservative. Ducking issues, the slippery slope gave in to the pathetic socialist and EU nipple sucking feeding. The ‘reset’ visit of Starmer couldn’t be clearer.
      Assisted dying is topical…..politics too!

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    2. glen cullen
      October 6, 2024

      Dom, have you noticed that none of the candidates have a opinion on the Northern Ireland agreement, nor the UK/EU trade & coop agreement

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  16. Christine
    October 6, 2024

    How can the Conservatives be an effective opposition when they, in many cases, instigated the very policies Labour are delivering. The only opposition we will see over the next 5 years will be from the Reform party.

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  17. Paul Freedman
    October 6, 2024

    I am very grateful for the summary of your thoughts and views of the candidates Sir John.
    Personally, I definitely agree Robert Jenrick should be in the final two for all the reasons you mention and also because I feel he is generally the most gifted individual who has the best policies for the country.
    I would just like to add that I feel sometimes some in the Conservative Party are concerned its traditional principles (which include sound economy, economic growth, law and order, fairness, strong defence, freedom and family etc) might not appeal to future generations.
    The mistake there is they may not appeal to the youth just yet but when they get older and when they are faced with the financial and competitive pressures of life, work and running a business they see why those principles are so essential and needed. We all know this is the case but importantly I see it in the late 20’s and 30’s generation today too. Nothing has fundamentally changed.
    I can also confirm anecdotally they want lower taxes, economic opportunities and safety for their future families here in the UK which they see in particular countries abroad. How very Conservative.

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  18. K
    October 6, 2024

    The next Tory PM is still at school.

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  19. Donna
    October 6, 2024

    Since you can’t believe a word any of them say (and that’s before they become compromised by the inevitable need to pander to the majority LibCON/One Nation caucus) I am ignoring their pitches and looking at their history.

    Tugendhat: Globalist. One Nation Wet. Establishment through and through. Half French; married to a French woman. Pro EU. Won’t stand up for British interests.

    Cleverly: Globalist LibCON. Pro EU. WEF/Net Zero enthusiast. From the WEF website: “There is a growing sense that the institutions of the world today, whether the World Bank, IMF or COP, are not representing developing countries. The UK’s Foreign Secretary, James Cleverly, drew attention to this when he recently called for the reform of the UN Security Council to give the Global South greater representation. He warned of the very real risk that excluding developing nations poses in terms of provoking them to walk away from the global trading system.”

    Badenoch: Presumably WEF-approved since her attendance at Davos last year. Refused to repeal EU laws. Gove’s “creature.” Entirely untrustworthy, just like Gove.

    Jenrick: Has a “dubious” past (Covid hypocrite and planning/development scandal). Has moved Right since his period in the Home Office and resigned over Sunak’s lax attitude to immigration. Talks the talk now; said no merger with Reform but (interestingly has recently changed his tune on a deal). Best of a second-rate bunch. But then virtually all the Party’s MPs are now second rate or worse.

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  20. Narrow Shoulders
    October 6, 2024

    James Cleverley is the more accomplished politician of the four. He would move the Conservatives further to the centre and become Starmer-like in his ability to say nothing for four and half years in the hope that the government implodes and his party wins by default. Starmer has shown this is an effective way to oppose and get into power, an 80 majority or a 160 majority is the same opposing mechanism.

    Jenrick, like Farage has made immigration his calling card and so is too easy to paint as a bigot which means to those whose doctrine is that immigration is good and kind will never listen to him and just write him off as they do with Farage.

    Badenoch is also too easy to write off as a bigot, this is why Braverman and Patel did not run because their views are considered distasteful (incorrectly) but the political and media classes line up against them even though they themselves identify as minorities. Just the wrong type.

    Tugenhat – who? Is the best I can say about him.

    I see Jenrick winning but then being deposed by the Parliamentary party just as Liz Truss was leaving the minority candidate, Cleverley (another minority rejected by the membership) to be crowned

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  21. David Cooper
    October 6, 2024

    When Kemi Badenoch was seeking the leadership on the previous occasion, she denounced Net Zero as unilateral economic suicide, and gave every impression that she would seek to roll it back. This time around, save for the odd token criticism of HMG’s green lunacy, she has pledged nothing of the kind. Who or what got to her? Of course she is no different in this respect to any of the other three; they all give the impression that they would happily see the UK continue down the road to Net Zero’s dystopia, albeit at a slower pace than Labour.
    And here we all were, hoping that at some point in the future there might just be a majority in Parliament mandated to have Ed Miliband’s Climate Change Act repealed…

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  22. Charles Breese
    October 6, 2024

    Appealing to voters aged 40.

    In order to tackle the above I believe that we should recognise that the UK’s current model of representative democracy is not functioning satisfactorily for voters of all ages. I believe that any political party could solve this challenge by introducing direct democracy (along Swiss lines) at a party level – Technology would enable implementation to be relatively straightforward – trying to do this via legislation (rather than at a party level) would take forever. Feedback which I have had (not statistically valid) from <40 year olds is that they would be attracted to a political party which adopted this approach.

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  23. Bryan Harris
    October 6, 2024

    The Tories have not done so well in electing a real leader supported by the majority lately — whoever gets elected now will define the Tory party for years to come.

    Will they make a decision to follow the ways of the old Tory party, or will they attempt to change their ways?
    Somehow I fear that even if a right of centre candidate is elected, the political establishment will disown and un-crown him in a very short time.

    The issue is not which candidate is voted in, rather it is a question of the state of the elite core of the party – What will they allow to happen?

    It would be nice to see a Tory leader rise that didn’t flirt with labour to see who could be more left wing. One that followed conservative values and one that could bring the party and country back from the brink.
    We have been here before – will this election be any different?

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  24. Rod Evans
    October 6, 2024

    Sir John, as ever a rational overview of the runners and riders. I would simply add this. Deciding who should be the deck chair monitor after the ship has already hit the ice berg will not alter the direction of travel…..
    The decision taken by the captain to pursue at full speed the most dangerous and risky course in pursuit of the prized ‘Blue Ribbon’ has virtue signalled the Party to a timely Net Zero demise.
    It should never have been like this.
    The people and the members of the Tory party advised HQ continuously, telling them the right course to take post the Brexit Vote, post the Climate Change Act lunacy of Ed Miliband in 2008 but no one listened. Theresa May was so contemptuous of Party members she even appended the Net Zero commitment requirements to the Climate Change Act? All done without debate or vote in the HoC. That is how disconnected from rational policies demanded by the members the Tory Westminster Party had become.
    The rest as they say is history.

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  25. glen cullen
    October 6, 2024

    Which candidate would 100% leave the ECHRs from day one of being elected into government, and state clearly the same in their manifesto, and ensure that all fellow MPs are supportive or lose the whip
    Not the current, ‘we’ll plan for it. we’ll review the situation, we’ll demand reform’ etc etc

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  26. Donna
    October 6, 2024

    Quite why Camilla Tominey gave Johnson an hour to publicise his latest book is beyond me.

    He has learned virtually nothing from the Covid Tyranny and absolutely nothing from the appalling consequences of the gene therapies. She didn’t ask him a single question about the Net Zero madness.

    He’s obviously on a “rehabilitation” mission, so perhaps the gossip about him hoping to replace whoever is chosen as, in his eyes, interim Party Leader, is true.

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