Some of you have asked about this Bill. It is a private members Bill which is unlikely to pass unless the government backed it. There is no indication they are about to.
It is a Bill with huge financial, economic and social consequences. It instructs government to speed up the UK ās already rapid rundown of CO 2. It aims to make that much more difficult to do by requiring the UK to reduce not Ā just the CO 2 generated in the UK but also all the CO 2 produced abroad making and transporting imports into the UK.
I have been very critical of UK net zero policies which are based on shutting down UK oil, gas and industrial production to stop UK CO 2 generation, only to import products and energy from abroad ignoring the CO 2 produced there. It is absurd self harm resulting Ā in more world CO 2.
This Bill is even more harm, as the UK would have to make major cuts in consumption of energy and goods to comply. It would be a major hit to living standards. It is difficult to see how the UK could comply. Buying more Chinese battery cars would not help as plenty of CO 2 is spilled in their making, whilst we would need more Ā gas power stations when the wind is not blowing to recharge the cars.
The Bill also says it will end the nature crisis, the alleged run down of wild animals and plants. Wilding large extra areas of our country would force us to import more food with more CO 2 in its production and transport. There is no mention of the need to end migration of people to curb the erosion of nature by overdevelopment.
This so called CAN bill should be canned.
January 21, 2025
Good morning.
Irrespective of the aforementioned chances of this Bill being law one has to ask, “How is it that someone has reached a position in this country whereby such a thing could happen ?”
I seem to remember that our current Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero was the one that pretty much kicked all this off with his Climate Change Act. So indeed, such things can happen.
Today we have a US President that will not be swayed by such nonsense as we have seen, and a Europe hell bent on self destruction. The gulf between old and new worlds has never looked wider and the gap seems only to be growing.
January 21, 2025
It is astonishing there are MPs who think the measures contained in this Bill are a good idea. No wonder this country is in a mess.
January 21, 2025
@David Andrews +1. I read that 192 MPs support the Bill. Could any of them stand before a public meeting of their constituents, explain what this Bill would do to our living standards and not get completely mauled and derided? That’s why they don’t do it.
It’s appalling that these MPs are referred to as “Honourable”. Apart from the Greens, who are dangerous and deluded but at least had the guts to stand for election with this proposal, the rest are an utter disgrace.
January 21, 2025
It is more astonishing that the number of MPs supporting the bill runs into the hundreds. Shows how the Westminster sheeple ‘think’. A mess indeed.
January 21, 2025
I listened to Donald’s speech yesterday. He effectively shot down all the climate nonesense much to the chagrin of the BBC reporters. It is rumoured that many staff are on suicide watch after he had the temerity to put Americans first
And we have Caroline Lucus. It’s time to buy some popcorn whilst watching the entire climate scam crumble.
January 21, 2025
I see Thieves is going to give the go ahead for new runways at Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton.
She’s well aware that the next CCA 5 year plan is to close all regional airports so her ideas will be quashed with judicial review. There may be a chink of light coming from the darkness of Nut Zero as the full implications begin to emerge.
Full ahead Donald.
January 21, 2025
@David Andrews
But how many MP’s could you name that served their electorate and the Country, before personal ego and a higher power in foreign lands.
January 21, 2025
Which member has proposed it? Which party do they belong to? Can parties other than the governing party introduce bills?
The idea of accounting for CO2 produced by imported goods and services seems sensible – if you allow CO2 levels to be a driver of policy.
January 21, 2025
@Mike Wilson. The Conservative Woman website ran a piece on this yesterday. The embedded video gives some background about the sponsoring MP. It’s shocking that people with such shallow thinking can get elected, and really shows our democracy is in deep trouble.
January 21, 2025
Not really sensible as we know CO2 plant, tree and crop food is not even a significant problem indeed a net good on balance. Even a doubling of atmospheric CO2 would not cause any significant warming as the sensible Prof. William Happer and many others illustrate. So many other variables, the existing CO2 captures much of the relevant frequencies so more make little difference. It is not even the most significant so called āgreenhouseā gas water vapour is. There is no climate emergency and yet Theresa Mayās vastly expensive net zero bill was just nodded through and Edās climate change bill is only voted against by a tiny handful of MPs. So deluded are our mainly scientifically ignorant, group think MPs.
Trump has it right on Energy, Climate realism, EDI and all the woke lunacy. the economy, the net harm Covid Vaccines and their sick joke regulationā¦Alas Starmer has almost everything wrong, even more wrong than the Con-Socialist did for 14 years. Kemi is better than Sunak but is still largely wrong
January 21, 2025
It was previously proposed by the Greens under the name of the Climate and Ecology bill. Now reintroduced by LibDem MP Roz Savage in this parliament, and of course supported by all Berkahire and South Oxon LibDems including Clive Jones.
January 21, 2025
Have a guess which party. Correct – the LibDems. The bill also would set up a citizen’s assembly to set policy. You can guess which citizens would be involved. I suppose as they basically agree with all of Labour’s policies they can only provide “opposition” by complaining they don’t go far enough. I see Trump has withdrawn from the Paris climate accord so whatever UK does is entirely irrelevant other than to provide the rest of the world with a good laugh.
January 21, 2025
Ros Savage a LibDim (Law Oxford) she sounds like an interesting but perhaps confused lass but not one I would really want to see in parliament making decisions for me.
In 2003, she became a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society and took part in an Anglo-American expedition that discovered Inca ruins in the Andean cloudforests near Machu Picchu, Peru. She then spent an additional three months in Peru, travelling solo and researching her first book, Three Peaks in Peru.
January 21, 2025
It is a logical solution to the creative accounting of our current Net Zero policy of shipping CO2 emmissions elsewhere and importing finished goods.
Of course, the resulting pre-industrial, pre-agarian society would be incapable of supporting a welfare state or current population levels. Not a Garden of Eden unless Adam & Eve were cave dwellers. It’s back to being hunter-gathers I’m afriad. I’ll tell the wife to buy some old fur coats on eBay and start sharpening a few pointy sticks just in case!
January 21, 2025
I emailed “my” MP, Edward Morello, LibDem, about this dangerous nonsense of a Bill. He hasn’t replied. But then since the LibDems are virtue-signalling Eco Extremists and the Bill is proposed by one of his colleagues, I expect he will support it.
There’s nothing either responsible or sensible about the LibDems.
January 21, 2025
It seems our MP Clive Jones supports it.
January 21, 2025
It is alarming that so many MPs have such global ignorance of the science of CO2
January 21, 2025
I had not known about this damaging nonsense but see it reported (as at July 2024) that 158 MPs back the Bill, including the muppet who sits for my constituency.
Cannot AI etc. be developed to provide that only those favouring this CAN nonsense have its provisions applied to them? So, for example, such persons would be barred from buying all products the Bill seeks to ban, leaving the rest of us to live a post Stone Age life.
January 21, 2025
The writers and supporters of this bill have obviously not thought through the consequences of its implementation. No medical drugs, fertilisers, let alone hydrocarbon fuel. Food production halved – when we only produce half the food we need anyway – and an expensive plant based diet for everyone. The flight of industry, collapse in jobs: all consequences within five years. The resulting civil unrest will be kept in check by a very heavy handed police force.
I used to worry that the country is becoming like Venezuela. If this bill becomes law we will envy the luxurious lifestyle of the North Koreans.
Needless to say, the cuddly but increasingly irrational Lib Dems are supporters, including Wokinghamās new MP, Clive Jones.
January 21, 2025
I believe I have the most sensible and practicable solution to the climate debate. First, we acknowledge that the NZ2050 claim is a complete invention. No-one in the climate body has produced any reliable evidence that net zero needs to happen by 2050 at all. Second, we invest solely in nuclear energy and transition as and when new nuclear power stations are built. If that takes 50 years to complete so be it. Third, we export surplus nuclear produced energy to the rest of the world to part-offset some of the costs. I suggest this as non-renewables will run out eventually so we do need a long-term renewable British energy source. We just dont need to do this by 2050 nor to satisfy the net zero fabrications either.
January 21, 2025
Garbage in equals garbage out. How can our MPs be so ignorant as to introduce this bill, and if the media is to be believed, over 150 of them support it?
With this kind of thinking, the UK is condemned to four years of decline and damage. It seems we have a government that actively dislikes the UK and its people! Sadly, until the conservatives wake up to the absolute nonsense of Net Zero and grasp the fact that CO2 is a beneficial gas, they have no hope.
When vast sums of money are involved and serious damage to the UK economy, how can our MPs not do some simple research into the subject? Do they never think to read a book on the subject? Does it not occur to them that Chinese, Indian and several other significant CO2 emitters just ignore the West’s obsession with it?
January 21, 2025
The ābillā will be a good barometer of how the commons and the parties are thinking, especially as the USA are about to kick the, net-zero & the paris agreement, can down the road
January 21, 2025
Itās not impossible this Bill will pass. Almost a third of members support it. The second reading is on Friday, when many MPs will have left for their constituencies.
https://dailysceptic.org/2025/01/21/mps-to-consider-bill-likely-to-cause-mass-starvation-death-disease-and-societal-collapse-in-near-future/
January 21, 2025
Two extract from the bill:
ā2 Duty of the Secretary of State: climate and nature strategy:
3 (d) ensuring the end of the exploration, extraction, export and import of
fossil fuels by the United Kingdom as rapidly as possible;ā
[Interesting did not use just the phrase āend the use of fossil fuelsā]
3(e) ensuring that steps taken under the strategy to mitigate emissions in
the United Kingdom and overseas minimise damage to ecosystems,
food and water availability, and human health, as far as possibleā
Iām not convinced that this bill is any worse than PM Mayās Net Zero by 2050 legislation. The addition of undefined and indeterminate terms such āas rapidly as possibleā and āas far as possibleā appear less onerous than the existing legislation where carbon budgets are set by climate activists, the tax-payer funded CCC, and the country is taken to court by another set of climate activists, also part funded by the taxpayer, if they consider these budgets are not being met. This is then decided by high court judges with no consideration if the measures required are practical or possible or how it will affect the health, prosperity or security of the nation.
January 21, 2025
Sir John
Life and future is being stolen from us and future generation by those that want a world in their own personal image. While all the time neglecting the fact a future has to be funded and enforcing society back to the āstone ageā denies the ability to move forwarded. All these schemes give the appearance of either someone is working for UK.plcās competitors or they just hate everyone that donāt share their views.
I am reminded of a book āThe Abuse of Powerā written by someone that is the architect of the UKās pain on nearly every level. They didnāt even comprehend the word āserveā just dictate. Policies our Politicos follow to this day
January 21, 2025
I agree that this Bill is very dangerous, building on the crazy Net Zero policies from which we already suffer. The worrying sign is that it is supported by so many MPs across all parties, including two Conservatives. Don’t they realise this nation is already being damaged by such policies?
January 21, 2025
Co2 is 0.04% of Earths atmosphere, a trace gas. It’s impossible for it to have the magical properties attributed to it by the Green zealots.
January 21, 2025
Agreed – it is farcical that anyone should try to speed up netzero as it is already doing excessive damage all round.
More fantasy and outright lies.
I see they are still airing adverts to save polar bears when all the evidence points to the fact that they are thriving, more so than for a very very long time.
So why do they persist with the lies and innuendos – nobody challenges them, but destroying our way of life will not make any difference to the planet or wildlife.
This bill has to be stopped, but I fear it does have government support. MPs opposing were reduced on the latest reading. HMG would love this to go through for a variety of reasons.
January 21, 2025
… not sure how this Bill would enhance US-UK relations …