The Chagos Treaty is still not ratified by passing a UK law to bring it into effect. The Lords is unhappy with it and it is subject to a legal case against. The government failed to consult Chagosians properly who do not it given away to Mauritius.
The government is short of money so offering an annual subsidy to Mauritius to take over the islands is mad. This is valuable territory.
The government needs to reflect on President Trump’s new world strategy. That makes clear it is in the US and the Western alliance’s interest to keep open the shipping lanes in Asia and to preserve the current status of Taiwan. The Chagos joint US UK base is critical to defending open navigation into the South China Sea.
Giving away the freehold means Mauritius, friend of China could grant fishing rights in currently environmentally protected waters. Chinese vessels could come close to the base. People could settle on other islands close to Diego Garcia, creating tensions with the base.
At the moment this remote island base is well away from settlements and from prying eyes. Changing it could be expensive and dangerous. There is no need to. Please government think again.
December 9, 2025
Good morning
It is well known that the Chinese government has built artificial islands on small coral reefs and, could very well do the same there.
I am also concerned that our government seems very keen and willing to appease the Chinese government at every opportunity. Only when the US Government makes serious noises, as in the case of Huawei, does it grow a pair and stand up to them.
I wonder why ? 🤔😉
December 9, 2025
China treats all foreigners, other than USA and possibly Russia, with contempt. Look at the uproar against Japan for daring to mention the ROC, or Taiwan as it’s known.
Starmer is being treated as the fool that he is, Reeves visit was pure insult but she didn’t see it. 2TK believes he is a world leader and negotiator; that is laughable, as with other recent naive, arrogant PM’s, they don’t put themselves into a position of strength before trying to negotiate, consequently they give away far too much. We need experience and vision in No.10, not student activists or comedic buffoons.
December 9, 2025
The only way to reverse the lunacy of Lammy and Sir Kier on Chagos will surely be to get Trump to tell them stop this. Why has he not done done so yet I wonder?
December 9, 2025
If the UK were a rich country with its debt paid off and in control of its borders then Chagos wouldn’t be such a big deal although still a mistake. But we’re in trouble as a nation (and many countries like us) and simply can’t afford to make the mistakes such as Chagos. Labour need to grow up (if they are serious about helping the working classes).
December 10, 2025
Labour doesn’t give a 4X about the working class.
December 9, 2025
@Mark B +1
Like minds stick together 2TK & Xi Jinping
This Parliament is haemorrhaging UK wealth and ability to earn as a result of its malicious war of attrition against the people like no parliament before it. 2TK now needs a backstop of funds no matter the cost – bring on China he will let them own the UK if it fulfils his Marxist dream of him being at the helm of his Politburo
December 9, 2025
It would be interesting to know who benefits from this fiasco. I don’t mean Mauritius or China but nearerto home.
Helmer who is openly anti British has been instrumental in guiding the dolt of a PM to sanction this giveaway
There is absolutely no precedent in international law ( whatever that is ) for handing over sovereign territory together with a lease back arrangement.
Even the thickest MP, and that’s the majority can see this is an absolute omnishambles which makes this country a laughing stock.
Follow the money, then we might begin to understand.
December 9, 2025
I see National Grid are running a series of ads on social media about what to do in case of a power cut.
Are they expecting them.
December 9, 2025
Ian Wragg
According to Kathryn Porter an energy industry person, yes! I believe the industry is expecting blackouts. Apparently, according to her and others in the industry we have been very close to blackouts several times already.
December 9, 2025
As we don’t use social media I am interested in their advice. Is it if in daytime maybe go for a walk, if after dark light candles and when bored go to bed?
December 9, 2025
I think we can apply ‘follow the money’ to a lot of the dire management of our nation and ‘follow the chance of a leg up in personal career ambitions’ too.
I bet you could fit in a Fiat bubble car the number in Parliament that are actually there because of belief in and desire to benefit this nation and its people.
Far too many should really be working in International Charity groups rather than steering our home, or living in another country, as that’s where their principle concern lies.
December 9, 2025
I’m comforted in the thought that all other countries have their own laughingstocks and aren’t concerned with ours.
December 9, 2025
At least some of those in the House of Lords were doing something useful in not just nodding it through.
December 9, 2025
I was thinking the same – has the bung gone in? Deal seems completely senseless.
December 9, 2025
@Ian Wragg – the legal outfits working for Mauritius, seem to be the only ones in serious profit. They are all based in the UK and include what is loosely called Kier Starmer’s former colleagues. All conspiring to export UK taxpayer money
December 9, 2025
‘Should’ drop , but will probably fight not to.
Loss of face is another factor for this government.
Yet another thing they should do but will not unless they are forced to.
December 9, 2025
Government re-thinks are pretty short on the ground. even when everyone knows the idea/project is a bad one. HS2 is one one of the biggest recent examples. One of the most expensive and wasteful costs taxpayers have is the bill for “saving face” that successive governments present them with.
December 9, 2025
I agree. Drop this crazy idea asap.
December 9, 2025
Sir John, appealing to the this government to think again is a fruitless wish. They are on a mission to destabilise the UK by whatever means they can. It is clear Starmer, Rayner, Miliband, Lammy, Reeves and the forces driving the Labour Party in the 21st century are malicious agents of disruption. They have an agenda not openly revealed, but it certainly involves reuniting the UK with the totalitarian EU.
We did not vote for any of this. Not the destabilisation, not the destruction of the UKs manufacturing capacity, certainly not the removal of our democratic birth rights. Our freedom of expression, freedom of speech and our most basic right, legal protection from totalitarian government agents, i.e. trial by jury.
If you want to avoid the foot shooting pain of paying Mauritius to control our most important military asset in the Indian ocean, then I suggest you appeal directly to the only man on Earth who has the power to tell Starmer what he should and should not do.
A letter to Donald Trump in the White House is the only option to block and stop this unbelievable act of national self harm Starmer is determined to inflict on the UK.
Please write that letter we would all thank you for it.
December 9, 2025
I’m astounded President Trump hasn’t blocked it already.
December 9, 2025
Sleepy Don isn’t quite with it, probably forgets the point the last adviser talked to him about it.
December 9, 2025
I was going to write a contribution in near-identical terms to Rod’s but I couldn’t improve on his, so I will simply offer my support.
This spineless, weak Prime Minister and cabinet get almost everything wrong and the Country cannot afford to wait until 2029 to see the back of them all.
December 9, 2025
Common-sense says the give away and lease back is both a stupid and expensive idea.
Common-sense says to lose a strategic base in that part of the World is to surrender our ability to defend the freedom of shipping lanes, or to support our armed forces should they ever need to be deployed close to that area.
Common-sense would suggest you do not pay, and give away, anything that will increase your opponents/competitors ability to have more control/influence over your own Country.
What an absolutely stupid idea, so no wonder it got voted through by our idiots in Parliament who seem to have lost the ability to think through anything properly, and seem to have lost any ability of foresight and the inevitable consequences which may follow.
Chinese embassy site next for a yes.
December 9, 2025
At long last the Conservative party has developed a sensible immigration policy. Shadow Home Secretary Chris Philp wants a “removals force” based on Trump’s “ICE”. To deport people here illegally on the scale proposed will mean we have to leave the ECHR, so our do-gooder judiciary cannot prevent deportations
The only problem will be that the police will have to be used to round them up. Of course, that will mean even less burglars are caught. Or rapists, drug barons and car thieves.
Currently 40% of police are working from home, doing their paperwork, policing tweets on X or trawling through the nation’s bank accounts looking for people with too much money. This will have to stop.
The public wants police in helmets back on the beat – deterring crime, catching burglars, street drug dealers and shoplifters. And grooming gangs prostituting our children
December 9, 2025
Sakara, do not worry about the lack of police available to catch criminals if the force is detailed to ICE activities.
From what reports we have seen and are allowed to see, the deportation of known criminals illegally resident here, would resolve a large proportion of the crimes you mentioned plus many more involving human trafficking and modern slavery activities.
December 9, 2025
Oh, marvellous. Are they “promising” to deport the tens of thousands of unvetted, potentially violent and terroristist Afghans they secretly imported and kept secret from the British people via a Super Injunction?
December 9, 2025
You don’t need to leave the ECHR to deport people here illegally. You have grounds to detain them until they can be returned to their home country.
The problem is they aren’t here illegally, because they have claimed asylum.
What you need to do then is to set up an office in Calais and require asylum claimants to make their claim there, and refuse the claim of anyone who tries to by-pass the system by coming to the UK without invitation.
I for one like the idea there is human rights law.
December 9, 2025
I feel dizzy ………. I actually agree with a post from Sakara Gold !!!
December 9, 2025
I have had to go and lie in a darkened room!
December 9, 2025
This treacherous and very expensive giveaway was decided between KCs Phillipe Sands, acting for Mauritius and his friends Sir Kier Starmer KC and Lord Hermer KC, close associates of the Prime Minister and Attorney General. All follow international law, which in this case was decided by a Chinese judge. They support the UK paying compensation the former colonies for improving their government and infrastructure.
Starmer lied that the Chinese were against the deal. They are already planning to take over an island close to the US base. The US government needs to identify its enemies in the UK and act to expose and stop them damaging our countries.
December 9, 2025
Sort of off topic, but in a similar vain, yet another government failure to plan or cost anything.
Being reported that no calculations were completed by anyone as to the actual potential cost of removing the Child Benefit cap, and its effect on other Benefits presently being paid.
Does anyone in Government think anything through in advance any more with regards to actions and possible consequences, or has it all become so complicated that everyone is totally and utterly confused that no one knows the real answer.
Universal credit whilst perhaps a good idea at the time, has now become such a draw that people deliberately limit their hours of work in order to claim as bigger entitlement as possible.
We are fast becoming a part-time Britain, with ever growing debt and failing services.
Soon those who are still working full time will give up, because there is no incentive to continue.
December 9, 2025
The Government’s determination to continue with the treachery rather makes you wonder what compromat the Chinese Government has over certain people, or what “incentives” they are offering.
Free suits and glasses all round?
December 9, 2025
One strange thing about the Chagos deal is that UK pays for it but the USA use the base. How come USA aren’t paying ? UK should have no interest whatsoever in a naval base thousands of miles away.
December 9, 2025
The best plan would be for America to take control of the Chagos islands. Giving away the freehold and then leasing back the military base effectively means Mauritius controls the island. The world is a dangerous place; China has territorial disputes with ALL of it’s neighbours and Russia has launched a military campaign to seize Eastern Europe, starting with Ukraine
Trump’s new world order apparently requires America to abandon Europe to Putin. For his MAGA acolytes, this means withdrawal of American troops and the USAF and the transfer of forces to the Pacific side of the USA. America will adopt a “Western Hemisphere” strategy. The Europeans must stand alone.
America has roughly $4 trillion of investments in Europe. Europe takes about 18% of US exports. I have asked this question before – what exactly is the hold that the war criminal Putin has over Trump? We need to answer this question as a matter of urgency.
December 9, 2025
Trump has accepted that Ukraine has lost its war against Russia and that it cannot continue to discriminate against the Russian Ukrainian population, which now wishes to have an independent Donbas as a region with Russia. And that if they don’t accept the loss of the Donbas, they may lose their coastal ports too. I see that our PM is hugging the Ukrainian president again and promising more borrowed support. Putin must be worried in case Starmer throws the Ajaxes and aircraft carriers into the fray. He might have to waste some drones and missiles. Meanwhile, thousands more are dying in a war that could have ended 3 years ago.
December 9, 2025
As it always was America stands alone but will provide goods, armaments etc when others are in need. Of course all that comes at a cost and favours to be called on. Whats not to like – take MAGA to keep the voters and improve industry, tech and sales worldwide? The world is changing and didn’t need massed troops on borders, however Putin has just brought all that supposed comfort into close examination.
December 9, 2025
I am not sure that the Chagos has any relevance to the South China Sea.
It is, however, a key strategic location for the Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman, the Arabian Sea and the Western Indian Ocean. It also provides a fixed location for air defence across the Middle East, North and Eastern Africa and the Indian Sub Continent.
Only an idiot would relinquish sovereignty over a small atoll in this location to a country 1000’s of miles away with questionable allegiances.
December 9, 2025
J C
“Only an Idiot”
You already have answer, he lives at the moment in No 10.
Let us hope he gets evicted soon, because we cannot wait until 2029 because by then there will be nothing to give away, he has already given our fishing grounds to France for the next 12 years !
December 9, 2025
An idiot or a traitor?
December 9, 2025
only an idiot…or traitor?
December 9, 2025
The British people should drop the Labour government in a deep and distant ocean far enough to keep harm away from us. We need a sensible govt looking after our own people’s interests,
December 9, 2025
Just a thought but perhaps that is where we should keep illegals whilst we properly examine their documents and history, it’s a long way by boat to anywhere near, so they would be safe from any persecution for a while.
December 9, 2025
Far too small. It would house a weeks worth of boat people.
December 9, 2025
They should – It’s very hard to see exactly what is behind the decisions made on this subject.
Is it a bribe for the Chinese to leave us alone – If we make ourselves very small and destroy or give away our assets, will they not hurt us?
Since Starmer has never fully explained why we are giving away Chagos, we have to assume the worst, and that seems to be a cowardly reaction linked to internationalism.
December 9, 2025
Cambridge Dictionary definition of a traitor:
“A person who is not loyal or stops being loyal to their own country, social class, beliefs, etc”
“Someone who does something that harms their country, especially by helping its enemies.”
December 9, 2025
You have proved something here.
December 9, 2025
Stopping the Chagos give away treaty is certainly the sensible way forward, but presumably if the Government had any common sense it would not have agreed to enter into it in the first place.
December 9, 2025
“The government needs to reflect on President Trump’s new world strategy”
Indeed, but if only! – the full screed of the new US National Security Strategy, just released, is an inspiring read.
It seems that the US seeks to do right just about everything that the UK government is doing so dreadfully wrongly.
December 9, 2025
Trump has woken up to the fact that the US sphere of influence is going down the tubes.
Europe, Australia, NZ, Canada, Minnesota… can anything be saved from Islam?
December 9, 2025
I simply cannot see the point of this ‘deal’ Why would any government give away territory, then pay the receiving nation billions for the gift.
How about letting the Chagossians return home if it’s their wish.
Where did this foolish idea spring from. It wasn’t in the Labour manifesto. (like much of two-tiers policies)
Why aren’t the opposition MP’s shouting about it?
December 9, 2025
Off Topic.
A key UN report on the state of the global environment has been “hijacked” by the United States and other countries (Russia, Saudi etc)who were unwilling to go along with the scientific findings, the co-chair has told the BBC. The Global Environment Outlook, the result of six years’ work, connects climate change, nature loss and pollution to unsustainable consumption by people living in wealthy and emerging economies.
It warns of a “dire future” for millions unless there’s a rapid move away from coal, oil and gas and fossil fuel subsidies.
But at a meeting with government representatives to agree the findings, the US and allies said they could not go along with a summary of the report’s conclusions. As the scientists were unwilling to water down or change their findings, the report has now been published without the summary and without the support of governments, weakening its impact.
Researchers say the objections to this new report reflect similar concerns expressed by countries at the recent COP30 talks. Compiled by nearly 300 scientists worldwide, the report argues that the food we eat, the clothes we wear, and the energy we consume all involve the extraction of resources in a highly unsustainable manner.
To solve the connected issues of climate change, pollution, nature and biodiversity loss, the report has many recommendations including a rapid move away from coal, oil and gas and a massive reduction in subsidies for farming and fossil fuels.
December 9, 2025
Thank god we can get all our needs, energy, goods, food, water & labour from china
December 9, 2025
Deliberately “Organised Chaos” is the only way I would summarise what has happened to this country since the last General Election when few voted for this shower.
The Unions have so much power the proverbial tail is wagging the dog now and an expensive puppet show is in full swing borrowing and spending taxpayers money like drunken sailors.
Before the GE we never heard anything about Chagos, what it entailed and most crucially whether it was fully costed in advance. Just like many other liabilities and contingent liabilities aka future millstones we will have to borrow to pay for plus the extra avoidable borrowing to pay for the interest thereon. Total insanity.
If this nonsense was put to the voters there would have been such an outrage that the result would have been totally different.
The big question is why have we no checks and balances in place to prevent this happening? In the meantime we are slowly being disenfranchised.
December 9, 2025
It is the Chagos Islands deal that has exposed this Labour Government for what it is. A Government that hates the UK, hates hard-working people, hates any success for them, is again, after Gordon Brown’s destroying private pensions in 1998, trying to destroy them again
While MPs and public sector workers have index-linked pensions based on their final or average salary. That is a major scandal that should be addressed, but won’t be.
This Labour Government will bankrupt the UK, as others before it have nearly done. They will happily fund welfare and allow excessive immigration, but won’t fund the armed forces, who are desperately weak!
December 9, 2025
I don’t usually post twice, but I have just read an article about Energy prices going up because of Ed Miliband’s idiotic Net Zero policies. Here again, we see the real Labour Government in action. Sod the voters and the costs loaded onto them, pursuing a mad Net Zero policy.
Ed Miliband is a perfect example of this Government’s absolute contempt for the people of the UK. A Minister who won’t be confused by the facts!! Which are that Global Warming and Cooling have been going on for thousands of years and have nothing to do with Humanity. But this pig-ignorant man will only listen to people telling him what he wants to hear. Where are the MPs who have done some simple research, standing up in Parliament and telling the truth that GW/CC/NZ are complete and utter nonsense!
December 9, 2025
Labour supporters would chose Mad Ed as a replacement for Starmer in the event of him being given the boot. What does that tell us about the state of education in the UK?
December 9, 2025
IIRC when a country becomes independant their borders are set in acordance with the area that they administered, and since the British administered the Chagos from Mauritius then they have a right to them. The UK could have fought this in the international law courts and probably would have won. However, if the government had done that they would have had to accept that Russia had the same claim on Crimea which was administered from Kiev when in Russian control. But the government couldn’t agree with big bad evil Putin about anything could they? So give Chagos away and plenty of money with it and save a little government embarasment.
December 9, 2025
This is a disgraceful proposal by our present Government. Mauritius is an island off the African continent, Chagos are islands off the Indian continent. There is a very deep ocean trough between them and many thousands of miles. The only time there was any connection between them was under the administration of the British Empire; they are different peoples speaking different languages.
Who proposed this arrangement and why ? Suspicion must fall on the Attorney General , Hermes. etc ed
December 9, 2025
Governments shouldn’t be able to give away sovereign territory without a referendum …the country belongs to the people and not the government of the day
December 9, 2025
This was one of the first acts by this Labour government and remains now, as it was then, completely inexplicable in terms of law, finance and security, simply self-harm in its purest form. I simply cannot understand how their minds work. It does make you wonder whether some of those involved had other financial irons in the fire
December 9, 2025
Today facing question from MPs. More of ‘Not Me’ its the others.
No link between NI rise and unemployment, insists Reeves
Ms Reeves said: “The number of jobs has increased by 329,000 this year.
House of Commons Library figures:-
LFS survey – The PAYE data shows a fall of 109,000 payrolled employees in the year to July to September 2025
The UK unemployment rate was 5.0%, and 1.79 million people aged 16+ were unemployed. Unemployment levels increased by around 282,000 over the last year, and the unemployment rate also increased.
Torsten Bell(the man most think is in charge) said: “The welfare state the party opposite created is failing, and we are changing it.
The Office for Budget Responsibility shows that welfare spending will be £32bn a year more at the end of this Parliament, just as a result of decisions in the last budget.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/09/rachel-reeves-faces-mps-over-budget/
No one is asking how the money needed for our future will be earn’t.
December 9, 2025
Don’t ask what the state can do for you but what you can do for the state …..be quiet and pay more tax
December 9, 2025
Asking this Government to think is a big ask.
They’ve not demonstrated any such ability so far
December 9, 2025
Found on Guido, comments on 2TK’s use of TikTok, supposedly banned in some quarters (TikTok that is) its the ‘comments’ that should be read. https://order-order.com/2025/12/09/starmers-tiktok-posts-flooded-with-troll-comments/
On the same feed there is link to the latest government petition to sign over elections not taking place. The irony, the government web site suggests that to vote you have to be registered and they provided a link for that. But the elections are still cancelled
December 9, 2025
Mauritius Slammed by UN as International Legal Community Turns on Starmer and Mauritian Attorney General
It’s hugely embarrassing for lifelong human rights activist lawyer Sir Keir Starmer KC that the international legal community is now turning on him over his Chagos giveaway. Not to mention the pressure on Mauritius Attorney General Gavin Glover…
https://order-order.com/2025/12/09/mauritius-slammed-by-un-as-international-legal-community-turns-on-starmer-and-mauritian-attorney-general/
December 9, 2025
Meanwhile, questions are being raised in Mauritius over the conduct of the government ministers involved in the deal. If a corruption scandal emerged in Mauritius over the deal, it would pull Starmer in and sink the UK government…
December 9, 2025
nice to see Trump and Elon slagging of Mayor Khan, something our own opposition politicians should have been doing in similar terms.
December 10, 2025
The US National Security Strategy (https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf) makes clear certain concerns about the capabilities and willingness of European countries, including Britain, to defend the West, not only its territory, the primary role of the military, but also its culture. The weakening of Western culture lies behind the recruitment shortfall of the British Armed Forces. The unwillingness to defend Western culture accelerates its decline. It is a positive feedback loop through mass immigration( words left out ed). Starmer’s Gang is an accelerant in this process of the decline and fall of the West.
Putin would have to be superhumanly restrained not to take advantage of European decay. Nevertheless he recognises that ultimately should he attack there is a risk of escalation to nuclear exchange with Britain, France or the US. But up to a point he can play with countries like Britain as a cat plays with a fatally injured mouse, until he tires of the game, without risking a single Russian life. Because attacking Britain is not worth a single Russian life. On the other hand, Ukraine, or at least the Russian speaking part, is as far as Putin is concerned.