Mrs May’s first ten points and last point are all ones I want to see happen. The trouble is they do not happen any time soon under the Withdrawal Agreement she wrongly wishes to lock us into and maybe never.
Most of the rest of her points are things that re create many features of the E$U after we have left in ways Leave voters do not wish to do, or vague promises of future co-operation which we can easily enjoy without signing this disastrous Treaty. Some are bizarre – “Gibraltar’s sovereignty protected” – it was not at risk until the last minute concessions – and no hard border in Northern Ireland – I never thought the UK was planning one!
This letter and the further concession on Gibraltar are likely to tip more MPs against this Withdrawal Treaty. I remain strongly opposed.
November 25, 2018
Why does the PM write a letter to us? A true deliverance from the EU would require no persuasion, no weasel words. ( And by the way..why on earth would we need to import labour when there are so many young people without jobs? Train them!!)
November 25, 2018
Everhopeful..all very well but we cannot hope the get the young British out of bed at four o’clock in the morning to fill the boats, work in the fields and start off for the construction sites.. not in anywhere enough numbers
November 26, 2018
Rayk
Big business pays low wages topped up by tax credits and housing benefits.
Presumably you are happy with this ridiculous situation continuing.
November 25, 2018
Everhopeful. Agree. There are many disabled people who could manage basic jobs but at the moment they don’t get a look in much of the time. They would welcome a job even if it were low paid.
November 28, 2018
Shame the Conservative-Libdem coalition closed the viable Remploy factories which did provide basic and purposeful employment.
November 25, 2018
Perhaps everyone 30 million plus should reply (without stamps) to 10 downing Street and to your local Tory office telling her and them what an appalling and dishonest deal it is and for her to go now. Sound real Conservatives should join the party and kick all the Euphile, tax to death socialists out.
November 25, 2018
Everhopeful
That costs money! (Train them)
November 25, 2018
IDS on Sky TV today won’t vote for it, “more than likely” to vote against it. Sounds like a weak abstention to me. If Tory weaklings abstain it is more likely to pass parliament.
JR, suggest you have a word in the ear of Tory cowards abstaining. Make a decision.
May is a liar and dishonest. Most view her plan as the act of a traitor. There is no settled or enforceable future relationship with the EU. Are the Tory lemmings going to follow her into the deep unknown of becoming a permanent EU colony? Claiming it was not me! She should have been got rid of after her disasterous election, then in December last year, then in a July this year, she was prepared to close Parliament early to prevent her demise! Two weeks ago you all could have got rid of her. Gutless party without values conviction or principles.
November 25, 2018
You don’t count. You are expected to pay 60 bn EURs and suffer austerity in the process.
1 bn pays for 20,000 nurses
Short and sweet, you don’t need to know any more. Can’t see May talking her way out of that.
November 25, 2018
Again vague BS that the forensic legal dissections of the Withdrawel Agreement do not support and it will be those that form the battle grounds and ultimately decide our future.
Relying on wish lists however good the intentions shows how naive Theresa May is.
November 25, 2018
We were told the 21 month transition was to implement the trade deal. This is not going to happen because May failed to get one, therefore no transition or punishment extension needed or required. May has failed to achieve a trade deal to sign in a nano second after we leave at 11 pm on 29/03/2019.
Therefore we leave and discuss a trade deal as a self governing sovereign nation without a gun to our head. What does May not understand?
November 25, 2018
Stupid is as stupid does – this is typical of T May diplomacy- presenting ridiculous and unnecessary concessions as victories against the EU and being strong and stable ™ – utter nonsense, please get rid now!!!
zorro
November 25, 2018
Time for talking is over. Your party needs to rid May now! She is a disaster. This is the worst deal in history and you have lost the right to rule. Election now.
November 25, 2018
Wondering how on earth we mainly voted for this embarrassing dud.
Lying dud.
November 25, 2018
Oh, the Grand Old Tory Party,
It had ten thousand, then,
It marched us into the EU trap,
And it marched us out again.
And when we were trapped, we were in,
And when we escaped, we were out,
But now this wretched Mayâs in charge,
We are neither in nor out!
November 25, 2018
You are strongly opposed. I believe the majority of the population of the U.K. are strongly opposed.
November 25, 2018
Stewart Jackson is surely right in the Telegraph today. The former MP who was chief of staff to David Davis when he was Brexit secretary, warned: âIf Downing Street is selling out Gibraltar now before the deal goes through the Commons, then what will she surrender after itâs approved?â
Hopefully she will be gone and In no position to do any more damage.
November 25, 2018
John
The concessions to the EU will continue for as long as talks last, as long as May is in charge.
So be prepared for a lot more give away’s over the next few years.
The simple fact is she is absolutely useless at any sort of negotiation on this scale, and seems to rely totally upon the Sir Humphries (Oily Robbins) of this World who will do anything to avoid confrontation, or which will make more ongoing work for them.
November 25, 2018
Alan
Don’t worry, she won’t be in office much longer. Even if she’s not removed and Brady allegedly doesn’t get 48 letters, Corbyn will demand general election and win it by a landslide.
Millions of die hard conservative voters like myself will switch sides, just to get revenge on miserable cowards.
They get rid of the sneaky underhanded woman, or she takes them down with her. Either way the lot of them are toast, and at the next election there will be no such thing as the conservative party, it won’t exist.
November 25, 2018
As a lifelong tory I will also vote for Corbin. The leeches and parasites feasting on subsidies and green levies, that infest the HoL and Commons have now overplayed their hand and deserve a communist beasting.
So what if we fall with them. We are again just cannon fodder, expendable and yet again betrayed.
A plague on both your houses and your real constituencies.
November 25, 2018
O right minded person would trust her to negotiate the trade deal. We,were promised it would be in place and signed a nano second after we leave. Now we learn discussion will start with an open ended date while a vassal state giving the EU control in the capitulation.
It is humiliating our nation because of a handful of politico EU fanatics
November 26, 2018
If 17.4 million of you believed such a ludicrous promise, then you’ve got yourselves to blame for this mess.
November 25, 2018
The only issue that matters is how many other Tory MP turkeys will join her to vote for the EU’s Christmas dinner (otherwise known as the Withdrawal Agreement)?
November 25, 2018
IDS: “I would find it very difficult at the moment to vote for the PM’s deal …”
So what is he waiting for?
November 25, 2018
@oldtimer
How many more Knighthoods and Peerages will be dished out? Will we be seeing Baroness Leadsome Sir Michael Gove and Lord Grayling?
November 25, 2018
I too hope the threat to Gibraltar will make MPs think. Leaving aside the democratic outrage if Gibraltariansâ interests should be bargained away, and leaving aside too the profound strategic dangers of relaxing our grip there, what message would be sent to the rest of the world were Britain shown too feeble to hold such an icon of prestige and power?
We have made many enemies in the last 300 years. Many more look at us with envy and resentment. The queue to kick us while we are down would be very long indeed.
November 25, 2018
Mrs May has put her learnt by heart mantra into a letter but, as you say, totally lacks any specfic dates when her assertions will actually happen. She is never questioned about this and ploughs on regardless. I don’t understand how Conservative MPs have allowed her to continue for so long and bring us to this point. If past experience is anything to go by I have little confidence that she will be challenged. Your party is doomed if she gets her way as is our democracy. Any more knighthoods likely to be distributed? We really do look like a third rate country under Mrs May.
November 25, 2018
But you support her as PM otherwise you’d submit a letter to Graham Brady immediately.
If only all those Tory MPs who are opposed this appalling surrender deal would put their money where their mouth is. Apparently at least 80 will vote against it and yet Brady can’t even get the numbers to force a vote of no confidence. I have immense respect for the likes of JRM and Steve Baker and the couple of dozen who have sent in those letters but who have been badly let down by the cowards not willing to submit those letters for what reason, God only knows.
If this deluded woman is allowed to get this document through, they are finished anyway as will be the Tory party.
November 25, 2018
I dreamt the PM had given Yorkshire away . When will that happen?
November 25, 2018
I see this awful woman has now taken to handing out peerages to mediocre Brexit MPs, John Hayes being the latest. It will be interesting to see how he votes. This woman is shameless and once again proves what a farce the honours system has become. There are now 28 Sirs in the H of C plus a few Dames, add to that the likes of Sir Nick Clegg or Sir Eric Pickles. Time mediocre has been toadying politicians were barred from the honours list for merely doing their jobs. It demeans the whole system for those who truly deserve their honours.
November 25, 2018
Or to be more precise, for not doing their jobs.
I can’t wait for UKIP to start the clearout of these time servers.
November 25, 2018
I have serious doubts that enough MPs will vote against the withdrawal treaty. Might as well accept the fact we are to be slaves.
November 25, 2018
@ Fedupsoutherner
Plus we will be paying for the privilege of being slaves.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1049859/EU-colony-vassal-Brexit-deal-BBC-Theresa-May
How pathetic are we!
November 25, 2018
I’m pretty sure they will. The only MPs who will vote for it are the ones that want to prop up Theresa May. So that’s about 2/3 of the Conservatives? Everyone else will vote it down.
November 25, 2018
The letter is basically just a pack of lies, it will fool almost no one. The appalling agreement that she is idiotically trying to ram through the house gives none of the things she claims for it. Furthermore it will destroy the Conservative party, give power to Corbyn and put the UK in a very weak negotiating position thereafter. Were it an advert it would surely be banned by the advertising authorities. The claim that it ârespects the Brexitâ voteâ is just laughable.
PMs and politicians seem to be allowed to lie and deceive. Indeed it seems to be the main route to political advancement and later a place in the Lords.
November 25, 2018
May needs to obey and carry out the result of the referendum, not just ‘respect’ it. Fat chance of that with so many influential business people having her ear.
November 25, 2018
We’ve now had Cameron telling us his negotiation was brilliant, and now this dud telling us her deal is the best well get. Maybe third time lucky or do we tip this lot overborrd?
November 25, 2018
I had the misfortune to catch a Remain spokesman on the radio last night, turned out to be FO Minister Duncan who dismissed the 20XX as of no consequence.
If he had loaned me money and I gave him an IOU to be repaid 20XX, would he accept?
November 25, 2018
The PM’s letter is a con and her withdrawal agreement stinks.
Shame on the Conservative Party for getting itself mixed up in this shady gang led by the Prime Minister.
Shame on the BBC and many others in the MSM for pushing false propaganda and encouraging the duplicity and pretence.
I have enough faith in the British People that we will see these chancers off…but they need something to vote for. Whatever happens, we need a new force in politics – whether that is the re-emergence of the real Conservatives (with the socialist entryists kicked out) or a revived UKIP or a new breakaway Conservative Party.
This has been nasty exercise in dirty tricks. They will not make fools of us!
November 25, 2018
Agreed. Everyone knows and this will destroy the Tory Party forever. Who could ever trust them again. I’m up for any lawful protest to rid ourselves of this awful Government.
November 25, 2018
I’m amazed we haven’t heard more from Nigel Farage. He did warn us not to trust the Tories or Labour on Brexit. Where are UKIP when we need them?
November 25, 2018
It is not possible to make the changes that are now in train without there being some unintended consequences, we should have thought about all of this before we started. For instance the constitutional position of NI is now greatly weakened, even in the event of a NO Deal, It is only a matter of time now before demographics take over.
Then the treaty position of Gibraltar, Utrecht 1713, will also be up for examination again at some point and probably sooner than we think. Spain is in the position of strength now, this is just like a reversal of the talks one hundred years ago that led to the Treaty of Versailles- unintended consequences
Scotland? who can stand there with hand on heart, and swear that Scotland will still be a part of the UK in say ten, twenty years? Cannot say it is because of unintended consequences- but Brexit certainly will have a good deal to do with it?
November 25, 2018
“we should have thought about all of this before we started. ”
What on earth makes you think we didn’t? Speak for yourself.
We have highly intelligent and experienced people with good judgement who could be running this exit but unfortunately a wrong’un was put in charge. We may never know who exactly decided and why, but they have certainly sabotaged not just Brexit bu the country’s future.
November 25, 2018
Once again, may I ask that you leading Brexiteers work together on a common narrative. You have produced a pamphlet and many good arguments, Boris Johnson articulated 6 entirely rational and supportable points in his speech to the DUP, David Davis has a plan, and the ERG has produced a number of well crafted documents. There is also the excellent work by Facts4Eu and not least from Martin Howe QC. Please work together and tell the voting public in clear and succinct terms why May’s plan is a national risk, and offer an alternative.
November 25, 2018
Peter Wood. This has all been done. It is all out there.
Unfortunately, the media has ignored or ridiculed the Brexit presentations.
Those sensible moderates who want a clean break from the eu do not have access to the media in the way that the Remain camp do.
Nothing can be “presented” to the public if the presenters are rendered invisible and silent by the media.
November 26, 2018
Yes I agree that the MSM is biased against Brexit, my point is that a political idea needs political leader who can represent the movement. To give a metaphor, we have a talented band of musicians and what we need urgently is a lead singer.
Mrs. May is going to get hours of free publicity over the next week or so, Brexit needs a single, powerful counter to her message.
November 25, 2018
She makes a well publicised, last-minute, concession on Gibraltar, the details of which are unknown, and presents this as protecting Gibraltar’s sovereignty. What parallel universe does this mendacious, deluded woman inhabit? Get rid of her for God’s sake!
November 25, 2018
W.r.t. the new project fear story that chemicals for water purification will not arrive under a ‘no deal’ Brexit, if this is true this is a national security issue and these should be produced in the UK. An urgent question needs to go to the Dept Environment … to clarify this. There has been two years to prepare for this.
November 25, 2018
Also, since the backstop is a key problem and under no deal the UK would have to follow the Most Favoured Nation rules. I suggest that if a technological solution is not in place for the Irish border by end of 2020 then we switch to zero tariffs on all imports until the technological solution is implemented, or if possible, zero tariff on what Ireland wishes to export to UK. Solving the inward solution is up to the UK, solving the outward is Ireland’s problem.
November 25, 2018
I observe there has been no project fear story about how we won’t be able to get BMW, Audi, VW, Citroen, Peugeot, Renault, Fiat and Volvo cars under no deal situation.
Aren’t these commodities also at risk?
November 25, 2018
I particularly like the bit where Mrs May says âwith Brexit settledâ.
The angry pensioners really are so far out of touch arenât they?
They really think this will be settled next March.
They really need to speak to some younger people.
My generation and those below overwhelmingly do not want this economically illiterate monstrosity you are imposing on us.
The reason most of you voted leave – immigration – is non issue for most of us.
Eventually there will be public inquiries and there will be prison for some.
Brexit will not be âsettledâ for the rest of your lives.
November 25, 2018
I suspect the person who is most out of touch is a certain Ms May, the person who is imposing the ‘economically illiterate monstrosity’.
Leave didn’t impose it, they want to Leave. Remain hate it, because it is not Remain. The concern here has to be that 650 MPs will fail to listen to either the 17M Leave voters or 16M Remain voters all saying ‘no’, and this dreadful mess might get passed!
November 25, 2018
Andy, you claim that immigration is the reason most people voted Leave. You also claim that for most people immigration isn’t an issue. Any chance of you posting links to the surveys that informed you of these alleged facts? Or are you just making it up?
November 25, 2018
Remaining in the EU is truly a leap in the dark as how can we know what will happen if we have no control over who governs us and we are without any means to remove them ?
Remaining would mean we would have no control over our laws, money, borders and assets.
And no control over our foreign, trade, immigration, travel, welfare or tax policies.
If the young vote in haste to remain in the EU in a third referendum they will find themselves repenting at leisure.
Just like those of us who were young in 1975 and who voted overwhelmingly to remain in the Common Market and are now voting to leave a completely different organisation 4 decades later at the first opportunity allowed since 1975.
November 25, 2018
I voted leave partly because of people like you.
Why should I have my country’s laws and it’s status decided by those whom I do not elect ?
And you might be surprised to know that immigration was not the reason so many voted leave. UNCONTROLLED immigration was.
“My generation and those below overwhelmingly do not want this economically illiterate monstrosity you are imposing on us.”
Hard luck, you lost the referendum. In democracy, we have democratic vote which means majority rule. There is no obligation to pander to the losing minority.
Majority rule – live with it, live somewhere else, or exercise your right to object through the ballot box.
November 25, 2018
Only because they have been taken in by all of the BS from the mainstream media. Wisdom comes with age but you seem destined to buck the trend.
November 25, 2018
âeconomically illiterate monstrosityâ ? Thatâs no way to refer to Mr Corbyn !
November 25, 2018
Andy you seem to think that, like the perfidious Mrs May, all you need to do is to keep repeating the same baseless garbage for long enough, and people will start to believe it. I’m afraid it’s nothing more than the way Lord Hawhaw worked in WW2. Your traitrous nonense will be about as effective as Lord Hawhaw, too.
November 25, 2018
Are you doing your homework? Are you reading the agreements and reports?
November 25, 2018
“Eventually there will be public inquiries and there will be prison for some.” Andy
Prison? For whom and why? It’s time you put aside your adolescent fantasies, left your parental home and got out into the real world with the adults.
November 25, 2018
By that I meant a grown man posing as a school child.
When we said that the ‘children’ being ushered in were adults and then expressed concern that they would end up in schools we were accused of racism and being hysterical.
Turns out we were absolutely right.
Here’s a thing.
The May government knew we were decent people and would accept vulnerable children. Hence they lied to us about them being children. Why else would they have done it ???
Yet YOU insist we are nasty and our votes should be ignored.
November 25, 2018
Why ask us unless a second referendum is in the offing ? MPs are the ones who make the next move.
November 25, 2018
“the Withdrawal Agreement [Mrs May] wrongly wishes to lock us into and maybe never.”
Indeed, as written the withdrawal agreement give no incentive for the EU27 to ever agree a trade deal, if in their shoes why would any politico voluntarily allow a (now) vessel state its freedom!
“and no hard border in Northern Ireland â I never thought the UK was planning one!”
Nor is Ăire I strongly suspect, should there be a hard border it will be built under protest at the behest of the European Commission.
November 25, 2018
I have emailed my MP, Keith Simpson. I referred to Mrs May’s appeal to the public to pressurise their MPs to support her deal. I told him that if this deal is passed by Parliament, I shall reluctantly not be voting Conservative while she is leader, even if that risks a Corbyn government.
I urge like-minded people to do the same.
November 25, 2018
John S. Already done that and told him I won’t be voting Conservative next time.
November 25, 2018
Yes, all those who support Brexit should now be writing letters to their MP, particularly to those elitist pro EU MPs who have leave voting constituencies.
Remember that leave won 64:36 by constituency.
In the long-term leavers should ensure that they never vote again for any pro EU candidate from whichever party they belong and should try to avoid purchasing EU goods wherever possible to help our country reduce its ÂŁ95bn/year trading deficit with the EU.
November 25, 2018
And if they live in a socialist or liberal constituency to write to their constituency Chairman of the Conservative Association. There will be one, however strong the opposition stronghold.
November 26, 2018
Unfortunately my MP has come out publicly in favour of Ms. May’s proposal. He has tweeted exactly how he intends to vote.
Fortunately this makes my choice of who to vote for in the next election rather clear.
November 25, 2018
I see she is saving the Fish for the final act.
No doubt when she has her agreement, any trade deal will be conditional on her giving away our fishing waters. The EU states have already said that.
Last week she gave away NI, this week Gibraltar, what next, invite the Argies to occupy the Falklands.
She really is lying when her lips are moving.
November 25, 2018
If May’s deal passes, then if the backstop is not to be permanent a trade agreement will have to be negotiated with the EU. Trade agreements with the EU are subject to veto by individual member states. Following her latest inept cave-in May has ensured that Spain can, without any downside to themselves at all (because we remain in the backstop Customs Union in the interim), keep vetoing the trade deal until we make concessions on Gibraltar’s sovereignty. Likewise Ireland now have a strong lever – they will keep vetoing it too to get concessions on Northern Ireland. Likewise Germany, Holland, Denmark and other nations who want access to fishing rights. Whoever is supposed to negotiate that trade deal for us is in an impossible position – one assumes that as less than 48 Conservative MPs think May is doing anything other than a splendid job then it will be her and Robbins.
Another point for Tory MPs to consider – if May’s deal passes then there is very limited downside to voting for Corbyn at the next General Election as the “level playing field” provisions on state aid will neuter his more extreme economic policies. If the deal passes it’s certainly an option I’ll be taking up though I imagine many former Tory voters and activists and local helpers will take the “abstain” option instead.
November 25, 2018
Surely the PM is guilty of not just misrepresenting her deal, but misleading Parliament as well?
Shouldn’t someone in Parliament , or some Parliamentary group, be taking action against her?
Can the Queen be called on to put a stop to this deceit?
November 25, 2018
Bryan
“Can the Queen be called on to put a stop to this deceit?”
Yes, but clearly she won’t oblige. If she was concerned she’d have cleared out her government some time ago.
I often ask myself how come the British monarch does not draw the sword as it were to defend the realm.
I also wonder what the Head of State would do if for example the Russians or Neo Nazis had infiltrated the government en mass. From what we have seen of this country’s betrayal and humiliation at the hands of the conservatives, the answer is obvious – surrender.
Yet another reason why I shall be voting for Corbyn as an interim measure just to help destroy the conservatives. Then later on vote Nationalist.
‘Her Majesty’s Government’ Not mine, not yours, not the people’s – hers. It’s a bit like owning a pack of dogs terrorising the neighbourhood, but when someone gets hurt the owner insists that ‘one doesn’t interfere’ in the way they behave, even though the owner’s name is on their collars. Great cop out eh !
November 25, 2018
Technically I suppose the Queen could refuse Royal Assent, but that could have been the case in many instances of lost sovereignty in the past 40 years. The broader point is we have evolved a constitutional monarchy to run the country over many centuries, now that institution is being /has been seriously compromised.
November 25, 2018
Itâs good that many MPs oppose the deal. When does this translate into resolving the issue of lack of effective leadership in the party? When will Mrs May be replaced?
November 25, 2018
Another betrayal by this government ..
âHypocriticalâ UK Govt to Sign UN Migration Pact Despite Pledge to Control Borders.
November 25, 2018
TQM,
Yes, we need to not sign this and also to leave EU when we want, otherwise there is no control. US and now Australia have led the way in not signing, at least until there is clear distinction between illegal and legal. The UK Govt needs a rapid and serious rethink on what it is doing.
November 25, 2018
The Quiet Man,
Yes..thus really making any Brexit pointless and âmigration legislationâeven more so. Any control of anything will be just a memory.
November 25, 2018
If Mrs May gives away anything with regards to Gibraltar to either Spain or the EU then Spain and the EU will have complete control over the entrance to the Mediterranean, as Ceuta on the opposite side of the straits of Gibraltar is controlled by Spain.
Cetua is indeed the Spanish equivalent to UK held Gibraltar, as they took it from Morocco and have thousands of troops based there.
Visited Ceuta last year, and they have absolutely no plans to give it back to the Morocco or give up part control.
November 25, 2018
We should get Donald to move the US fleet and airforce into Gibraltar, just to please Napoleon.
November 25, 2018
Alan Jutson, don’t be so naive, just because a person is sitting on a rock on the southern part of Spain doesn’t mean to say he can have control over anything happening at sea. Those day’s are well and truly gone- No merchant sea captain these days is going to pay a blind bit of difference to the antics of naval types sending out routine signal messages- “This is British or Spanish warship- identify yourselves”-
The Mediterranean is international waters open to all with the right of innocent passage including with right of passage through territorial waters of coastal states.
November 25, 2018
FranzB
Not naive at all.
Far better not to allow one Country to be in a position where they can/could control such an area.
History is littered with examples of, do not worry it will never happen, then low and behold, it does.
November 26, 2018
Alan
“Far better not to allow one Country to be in a position where they can/could control such an area.”
Except when it’s the UK? Need all those caves to hide from the rest of the world?
November 27, 2018
Margaret
The idea is to be able to trade with the rest of the World not be a puppet state of the EU.
You seem to forget that we have given up trying to colonise the World, and gave all those Countries who wanted it complete independence.
Indeed those Countries who we gave freedom to now have more sovereignty and independence than we do ourselves, how ironic is that.
We just want to be able to govern ourselves and make our choices not someone else.
November 25, 2018
History’s judgement of May is going to be very severe, isn’t it.
I do not understand how anyone can still serve in her Cabinet.
November 25, 2018
Nor me.
November 25, 2018
They are hoping to have a say in the aftermath of the vote. You wouldn’t want Hammond, Lidington, Mrs Rudd, and Greg Clark deciding what to do, propped up by Karen Bradley and James Brokenshire..
November 25, 2018
Mr. Corbyn accurately described the Brexit Deal as âtwenty six pages of waffleâ.
This is an additional page.
MPs must not lose focus. The Withdrawal Bill still needs to be defeated first.
November 25, 2018
About the first sensible thing Corbyn has said.
November 25, 2018
As letters go this is mindless
November 25, 2018
Theresa May is to go on a national tour to promote her BRINO ploy.
I wonder if she will be using the Remain Battle Bus, you know the same bus that was used in the “Stronger In” campaign in 2016 and also for her 2017 “Strong and Stable” campaign?
According to the Mail, Philip Hammond has threatened to quit and take five of his EUrophile cabinet colleugues with him if the Surrender Treaty isn’t ratified. He’s teasing, surely?
November 25, 2018
Bob
“Theresa May is to go on a national tour to promote her BRINO ploy.”
…..and there will be a huge surge in the demand for alabaster eggs.
I’d give that tour lasting no more than five minutes past Northampton, never mind making it to any North Sea fishing town.
November 25, 2018
Mrs May is the principal driving force for this WA which will take our country to oblivion and she now entices us to accept it as our future.
It says much for Mrs May’s lack of awareness and her odd vision, that she should aim for less independence, in contravention of the democratic decision of June 2016, and keep striving for an end that is so unacceptable to both Leavers and sensible Remainers.
Amazingly Mrs May has not been deposed, so one concludes there is some ugly connivance keeping her in place.
There will be a vote on the WA in Parliament and it will be very useful. For each MP we will then know whether they are for or against vassal status. This is a definitive vote that will not be forgotten.
November 25, 2018
This withdrawal agreement is inheretently dishonest when set against all of May’s earlier oratory. She ancd Robbins have cobbled together a remain document. I hope she has the grace to depart after what I hope will be a severe drubbing in the HoC.
The solution therafter is a reversion to WTO rules on trade and let theEU realise what a disadvantaged position they have driven themselves into.
n
November 25, 2018
I voted to join the “common market” in Ted Heath’s non-binding referendum in June 1975. At the time, I thought it was a good idea, I approved of free trade and it seemed sensible, as the Empire drew to a close, to form a closer relationship with our European neighbours.
I didn’t vote for the Maastricht Treaty, never ending political union, the Euro – or a Europe run by the Germans for the benefit of their Wirtschaftswunder. I also voted Remain in the referendum, mainly because I dislike demagogues with an agenda such as Nigel Farage.
However, the nice thing about living in a democracy such as ours is that one’s views can change as fresh data become available, different opinions are heard
and one starts to see an alternative future for our country.
I’ve now been persuaded against staying in the EU because Barnier, Macron, Merkel, Junker, Tusk etc have not negotiated in good faith. To be fair, they have to sell any “Agreement” to their 27 member states and they want our ÂŁ39b – they don’t want their taxpayers to cough up an increased share. But I was appalled at the capitulation to their demands in the PM’s Chequers Statement, their interference in the internal affairs of the United Kingdom (the NI “backstop”) and now a further capitulation over Gibraltar.
I sincerely hope that Parliament has the balls to reject this one-sided “agreement” and we just crash out in March next year. We will muddle through. I want to see our contributions spent here in the UK. I think we are big enough and ugly enough to stand on our own two feet, strike our own trade deals – to our benefit not theirs – defend ourselves, control inward migration to our benefit, eat our own fish caught by our own trawlers and regain our place in world affairs, speaking up for British interests. The PM won’t get this through parliament. When its rejected, she should do the honorable thing and resign.
November 25, 2018
Two years ago Nigel Farage said that this was the start of the breakup of the EU- but don’t see it myself
IDS said that the german car workers wouldn put pressure on Ms Merkel..didn’t happen
Nor did the French wine producers take to the streets as M Gove said would happen.
How could our politicians have got it all so wrong?
November 25, 2018
They didnât. Most politicians wanted to remain – because they knew Farage and IDS were wrong.
November 25, 2018
Remainers are in charge so it is unlikely that any real attempt at leaving will be made. Mrs May probably let the EU know this so German & French suppliers have had no need to worry.
November 25, 2018
James Snell – yes you are right but that’s because May has conceded everything and the Brexit ministers had no idea how to proceed.
November 25, 2018
They didn’t get it wrong. It’s all going nicely to plan and they’re loving every minute of it, or at least May is.
November 25, 2018
All Empires fall. Just give it time.
As to the others, they all talk in terms of trade and not governance. As such, they show how ignorant they are of the EU. The EU does not care about car workers jobs, or anybody elses jobs, just their own and the survival of the ‘Project’.
November 25, 2018
A rhetorical question?
Think about it and I’m sure you can work it out for yourself.
November 25, 2018
’cause May was put in power.
They were, therefore, assured we wouldn’t be leaving.
Believe me. The UK going *pop* would make the PIIGS crises look like a tea party.
November 25, 2018
The French and German people didn’t need need to take any protesting action.
We just gave them all they wanted.
November 25, 2018
The problem is that we Brexiteers are playing catch-up. Having won the referendum we rested on our laurels, believing that our Government were honourable. I don’t think it occurred to most of us that we should be fighting from the word go to have our wishes implemented, and regarded the Remain Camp as just empty vessels making the most noise.
It seems we were wrong to consider our Government ‘honourable’ and we certainly misjudged the venom of the Remain side’s sore losers.
Our MPs should ALL have been ‘leavers’ as soon as the result of the referendum was known, not taking up a stance of a rearguard to keep us shackled. It is disgraceful on the part of many in our Government that they should be so shameless. But we SHOULD keep fighting now – you don’t escape an ‘organisation’ like the EU (was there ever one like it?) without a fight.
November 25, 2018
âOur MPs should all have been âleaversâ as soon as the result of the referendum was known.â
What a silly comment.
Our MPs donât all support Labour if Labour wins an election. Our MPs donât all support the Conservatives if the Conservatives win an election.
I appreciate that Brexiteers loathe anyone who dare question their project. But, fortunately, we live in a democracy.
We are no only entitled to disagree it is our duty to disagree. Brexit is an entirely predictable mess. But it is your mess and you will own the blame.
November 26, 2018
No, it is YOUR mess. People like you, screaming to remain, AT ANY COST, told the EU that we would accept anything, and we have! Well done! We’ve lost one of the few things worth having, freedom of movement and we’ll now be divided for a generation.
November 26, 2018
Andy
If as you claim “we live in a democracy”
How come we dont fully implement the results of the biggest democratic mandate in history?
November 25, 2018
Naive for we Leavers to see the Referendum in the same way as a GE, when the losers have to put up with the result.
November 25, 2018
They should have been all Leavers after the last GE. This be because both main parties stood on a Leave manifesto.
November 25, 2018
Another lie by TM? Gibraltar’s sovereignty is not assured it seems:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6426123/Theresa-faces-Gibraltar-challenge-Brexit-deal-Spanish-Prime-Minister-claims-joint-sovereignty.html
Spanish PM claims that Britain must now open talks on ‘joint sovereignty’ of Gibraltar after May caved in to his demands as furious Tory MPs accuse her of ‘selling out’
November 25, 2018
Mr Redwood,
If the parliamentary prospects of this deal (the only one on offer as an alternative to a strict “no deal”) are as bad as generally assumed, why bother? It looks like a waste of time to me. Obviously, the PM must appear busy until she is deposed, but why Parliamentarians spend so much effort on explaining why the deal and everything around it are bad does not look rational to me, unless something else would be on offer.
November 25, 2018
Rien
You ask good questions
Answer, because that is what politicians do in order to make it look like they have anything at all to offer the people at large. Of course politicians dont, we can function quite well without them . Politicians first create false problems ( example we will run out of drinking water) then come up with “solutions” to the problem. The solution is ALWAYS ban or stop something, regulate it then tax it
November 25, 2018
Mr Huizer,
I don’t think I agree with you on many things, but in this case I do. There is much resource being wasted on the current withdrawal agreement, three possibilities are; (i) incompetence, (ii) conspiracy – MPs say they are against it and will then be persuaded to make it look good, (iii) distraction whilst something else is produced. I suspect conspiracy is looking the most likely as the PM has not had to face a vote of no confidence.
November 25, 2018
Rein
The alternative is conflict with France, who run the EU.
Our politicians either have no stomach for it or are themselves aligned with the Franco Walloon empire.
The deal will be passed by Parliament, and at least we’re out. The conservatives will be voted out of existence and in interim for a while we will have Corbyn until the Nationalists get their act together – which will happen once the reality of May’s BRINO trap sinks in.
The positive aspect of the deal is the fact that other countries were watching us closely and it has been shown that it is possible to leave the EU, they will follow.
November 25, 2018
Yes they keep on claiming Theresa May has written to the British public. I haven’t received any letters from her, I’m still waiting.
Re Gibraltar;
Actually Gibraltarians voted by 90+% to remain in the EU, i.e thought about themselves rather than British sovereignty. Yet they still expect the UK top provide their defence.
My point here is why should we? They didn’t support us in the referendum and clearly want to be European, so why should we support them ?
No, there was no betrayal of Gibraltar. It was the inverse.
As they clearly want to be Europeans perhaps we should cut them loose with the words; ‘fine, off you go, tatty-bye, oh and you have to defend yourselves in future and…you cannot have stirling either’
November 25, 2018
This letter is incoherent propaganda. I do not trust her.
November 25, 2018
According to the Mail on Sunday, “… Gove decided against quitting the Cabinet in protest at Mrs Mayâs deal after reading âapocalypticâ warnings about the effect of âno dealâ on the UKâs water supply..”
Firstly, I do not think the Irish would be that rash and second, in that unlikely circumstance, it would become immediately incumbent on the British government to reinstate the water supply using all possible means.
Frankly, I am so sick of this weak Tory government which apparently uses alleged foreign threats against us to try to blackmail us into agreeing to a total and unconditional surrender to the EU.
As to the letter, if Theresa May really believes what she has written, then she needs to be sectioned because she has become totally detached from reality; however, that is unlikely so the only alternative is that she is an inveterate liar.
November 25, 2018
All well and good, but you’ve done nothing to stop your traitorous leader and Prime Minister with her surrender to the EU. She continues to betray the UK and support the EU with yet more concessions, the latest being Gibraltar.
You once said you would you would resign the whip if the party stated a wish to join the Euro. Is this betrayal on all fronts not worse?
November 25, 2018
Honourable MPs would all design the whip if this Prime Minister is not removed forthwith!
November 25, 2018
Mrs May’s Surrender Treaty attempts to bind the hands of successive UK governemnts which renders it “unconstitutional”. I trust that Gina Miller will be on the blower to Mishcon de Reya to launch a challenge to prevent Mrs May from “ripping a hole through our democratic structures”.
November 25, 2018
Bob, it makes me wonder why we bothered to contest Gina Miller in court. We may as well have let her win. What a farce it all is.
November 25, 2018
Why ? Didnât you notice that Brexit has already done that ?
November 25, 2018
Cabinet and EU making ‘secret’ plan B for when Brino gets voted down apparently. Perhaps you ERG types should get involved and make sure it’s a 1/2 sensible compromise. We must be able to see our way to an independent trade policy at least after the two year transition. There also seems to be a lot of EU push back on fish. The govt should trade fish against, eg, the financial services passport, not just give it up for nothing as they’ve done with everything else.
November 25, 2018
The political declaration is a Yes Minister attempt to say all, but the opposite at the same time. In that it contains the possibility for a treaty on free trade on goods and services, it also contains the possibility for a reversion to WTO trade rules. This is leverage because it does not appeal to the EU but has real fina cial advantages to the UK. ÂŁ7billion pa on current trading levels. We still have the opportunity to fight for and demand what we want, but take it away from the traiterous civil service who have served their friends the EU so well but the British nation so badly.
November 25, 2018
I totally Agree with JR. What will happen now is an orchestrated and determined effort by the establishment to vilify anyone who does not agree with the deal as people against national unity. There will be no distinction between Leave and the deal. indeed the deal is, apparently, all the fault of us voting to leave. By the time of the vote it will be like the Spanish inquisition and leavers will need their priest holes. As for leave politicians they need to stand firm against this forthcoming propaganda machine. The establishment and the BBC are really going to demonise them. Stand Firm JR.
November 25, 2018
Exactly, why is Mrs May writing a letter to us when all this is in the hands of parliament now?
The only explanation I can think of that she is cooking up a second referendum behind our backs.
November 25, 2018
In her letter, available here:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/759018/PM_s_letter_to_the_nation.pdf
she writes that under her Brexit deal:
“We will take back control of our borders, by putting an end to the free movement of people once and for all.”
That is not true, in fact it has to be condemned it as a deliberate deception.
The relevant legally binding provisions in her composite “deal”, those in the Withdrawal Agreement, would have precisely the opposite effect by securing a continuation of a legal basis for free movement until the end of the so-called “transition period”, if it was ever to come to an end:
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/11/23/the-withdrawal-agreement-should-be-renamed-the-stay-in-and-pay-up-agreement/#comment-975952
While Paragraph 4 in the “jam tomorrow” part of her “deal”, the non-binding Political Declaration, would do what she says would happen if her “deal” was rejected – it would “take us back to square one” as far as free movement of persons was concerned.
That is, it would take us back to those days immediately after the referendum when EU notables and other experts were queuing up to emphasise the inseparability of the “four freedoms” of the EU Single Market:
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/11/23/the-withdrawal-agreement-should-be-renamed-the-stay-in-and-pay-up-agreement/#comment-975912
” 4. The future relationship will be based on a balance of rights and obligations … This balance must … be consistent with the Unionâs principles, in particular with respect to the integrity of the Single Market … and the indivisibility of the four freedoms … ”
All we have here is the prospect of Theresa May or some other Prime Minister agreeing that to keep the three freedoms we would like for the sake of “frictionless trade” we will continue to accept the fourth after the end of the so-called “transition period”.
November 25, 2018
I urge all readers of whatever persuasion on Brexit to use the “email number 10” webform to tell the PM exactly what they think of this disastrous so called deal.
I have personally written to express my displeasure and to remind her that she said “no deal is better than a bad deal” !
As a member of the Conservative Party I have also expressed my feeling that she will lose the party my vote and I shall seriously consider not renewing my members when it comes up. There are an awful lot of us that feel the same way. She should take note – but I sincerely doubt she will.
November 25, 2018
There are many, (if not a majority of the voting electorate) in the Country who understand that the PM’s behaviour constitutes an existential crisis for the Country.
It is essential that those who would betray us are forced to pay the price, and that price will be the annihilation of the Conservative Party. Compared to what we are facing at May’s hands the election of Corbyn is a very small price to pay for the dispensation of justice.
November 25, 2018
Being a Tory MP is like turkey waiting for Christmas.
November 25, 2018
Mrs May is making Neville Chamberlain look dynamic. The woman is a disgrace.
She has capitulated on everything possible and more besides.
I can only assume this has been a deliberate plan which will lead the UK back into the EU in very short order, probably before 2024.
November 25, 2018
Of the withdrawal deal is approved by Parliament it will be like losing a major war. Humiliation, reparation payment, cede territory, hand over control. It must be voted down.
November 25, 2018
So the vilification begins. It is now your âdutyâ to vote for the deal or we will all be out of a job. You nasty brexiteers. Stand firm. This deal is awful.
November 25, 2018
Looks like it’s this deal or no Brexit. From here, I think a lot of people will understand if we do not leave the EU.
November 25, 2018
Honourable MPs would all design the whip if this Prime Minister is not removed forthwith!
November 25, 2018
Every word this dreadful woman says is a lie yet she remains leader of the Tory party.
Its clear now this ‘deal’ was written by Merkel.
May the worst PM ever and that’s saying something.
November 25, 2018
Jeremy Hunt says May’s Withdrawal “is not perfect” but…
We agree Jeremy, the Agreement “isn’t perfect”…but it’s as close to an Unconditional Surrender Agreement as May can get it.
November 25, 2018
The Conservative Party is in control of the destiny of this country
An insufficient number of them lack the moral fibre, principles, backbone or desire to do the ONLY thing that needs doing. Sack Mrs May and appoint an interim PM to take us through the Brexit procedure as mandated by the peoples vote #1 in June 2016
November 25, 2018
This letter is the same arguments we bear over and over again. Itâs all rubbish the EU have intention of even trying to deal on the grounds of the political document. Itâs not legally binding therefore they can say whatever they think we will accept then not deliver! As for the alternative that remainder in cabinet are planning , the Norway option itâs again not delivering on the referendum. It would mean obeying EU rules accepting free. Movement and the ECJ. How is that different to this dreadful deal? Leavers would feelyet again parliament ignores 17+ million voters. The red lines for us are we must take back control of our laws, borders and money. The issue is not just immigration itâs also about complete sovereignty. I will not vote for any party that ignore the results of the referendum which was to Leave!!
November 25, 2018
I can see England and Wales on their own with even the Isle of Man leaving the UK union to get a get out jail free card from the EU.
November 25, 2018
The Isle of Man has never been in the EU, if Wikipedia is to be believed.
November 25, 2018
âI remained firmly opposedâ
Of course you are. You built your whole political career on Brexit. It would it be a little bit too late to admit that Leaving is harder and more dangerous than you thought despite the past two years pretty much demonstrating that beyond any shadow of a doubt.
No. Much better to pretend that Leaving is painless and riskless despite all the other experts, the CBI, the various multinationals, the City, different trade bodies, the IMF, the WTO itself telling you otherwise.
November 25, 2018
And theyâve called it wrong in the past Tabulazero when JR has evidence on his side.
The politicians can make this difficult for us by deliberately delaying supply lines from other Countries, we have ports all around the UK we used to trade more globally.
November 25, 2018
How can she ever look a farmer of fisherman in the face again? She freely admits in her letter that the CAP and CFP have âfailedâ them. Thanks for clearing that one up. But if youâre a big business, probably foreign-owned, signed up to the CBI, happy your lobbying in Brussels continues to create barriers to entry for competitors – even if it means cheating diesel emissions tests or ensuring tests for vacuum cleaners let you compete with a true entrepreneur, then the EU is fine. Any MP who votes to support this sell-out deal will be i the total surrender of this once great nation
November 25, 2018
I have refrained from posting here for a long while even though I am an avid reader – This woman has gone too far and has consigned the Conservative party to history for a generation
November 25, 2018
Two of the important points about Gibraltar apply to the entire future agreement with the EU – 1) that a ‘trade deal’ will be wrenched into the fom of a political treaty by the EU and
– 2) while the current ‘Withdrawal Agreement’ is by majority in the Council – meaning that Spain was merely trying it on by claiming the right to ‘veto Brexit’ – any future treaty about lasting trade with the EU is subject to the veto of any of the 27 states and parliaments.
So Spain could easily prevent Britain from having any future agreement at all – ergo the so-called backstop would kick in and we’d be stuck in that unsatisfactory condition ‘in saecula saeculorum’.
Mrs May – as she knows – will not be around in politics to suffer the full ignominy of what she has done. She has consciously left the problems to her successor, in a poison pill and scorched earth strategy without parallel.
November 25, 2018
Sorry but how can Theresa May claim she has the support of the cabinet when she has changed the version of the withdrawal agreement she presented to them – it never said then Gibraltar was being given up. Surely she should return to cabinet and revisit.
November 25, 2018
J, What are your thoughts on the numbers when it comes to the vote in Dec?
November 25, 2018
Theresa May appears increasingly naive.
November 25, 2018
This deal locks the UK in to too much ongoing EU control and the “Polical Agreement ” will never happen
Bad deal and must be rejected
November 25, 2018
Any updates on what May conceded to make the Spanish PM hush up on Gibraltar so quickly?
November 26, 2018
Juncker probably reminded Spain that it has no veto on an Art. 50 agreement, but
that any future trade deal must be unanimously ratified, so Spain will get its chance then to threaten a veto.
November 25, 2018
One wonders just how bad a leader of the Conservative party has to be to get removed?
November 25, 2018
Nothing positive will happen as long as May is PM. Where are those 48 letters to the 1922? It’s alright to oppose the deal but without getting rid of May opposition to the deal alone is useless.
November 25, 2018
Say it slowly: THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL VOTED FOR.
This is what Brexit means. This is what Brexit has always meant.
We told you but you knew best. Only it turns out that none of you did.
Enjoy your Brexit.
RIP United Kingdom
Died 25/11/2018
Killed by economic illiterates who did not read the small print
November 25, 2018
Andy, no one can really be stupid enough to accept your factless rubbish. Just shut up and read th documents
November 25, 2018
You keep repeating this andy and it is not true.
“We” did not vote for this
Remainers like you have hijacked the leaving process
It is the opposite of what “we” voted for.
November 25, 2018
John
If you and your lot are not actually going to do something then Remain have won and posting Andy here serves no purpose than to rub our noses in it.
I used to think that you did it to prove that Speaking for England was no echo chamber and to show everyone how bad Remainers can be.
Now I’m coming to think you’re just taking the piss out of us.
If you’re not going to do anything then please close down this blog.
November 25, 2018
You are incorrect Andy Leave wanted to Leave not capitulate.
Labour will be voting it in and it will then become their and Mayâs traitorous deal.
November 26, 2018
At least we can agree that the PM and the negotiating members of the civil service are economic illiterates impatient or incapable of understanding the small print of what they sign.
Luckily, it will not stand. If you lived here, instead of abroad, you’d see why.
November 25, 2018
Why do we have to be subjected to the continual dishonesty of our current Prime Minister;surely there must be sufficient MPs with sufficient honesty to stop her from totally ignoring the outcome of the referendum and the impending destruction of the Conservative Party.It would seem that Denmark is not the only state in which something is rotten.Whilst I have never had confidence in our current Prime Minister I misguidedly believed that there were sufficient honest Conservative MPs to ensure that she adhered honestly to her Lancaster House outburst.However it would seem that many of our MPs are just as dishonest as our Prime Minister.I applaud those MPs who have had the guts and honesty to resign from her Cabinet,the ERG and those that have submitted letters re lack of confidence in her.What a tangled web she has weaved,or woven!
November 25, 2018
The real solution is easy.
EU Lists what it wants, and doesn’t want. The UK does the same.
Where both sides agree, it goes into the agreement. Where they don’t agree it doesn’t.
What’s gone on here is horse trading, where one side agrees to let one section of its nationals gets screwed over, for the benefit of the elite.
It’s bad for the EU as well as the UK.
November 25, 2018
Thank you John, please keep up the pressure and information. Clean Brexit,
November 25, 2018
Well that’s what happens when you take a colossal gamble like Brexit, with so many complexities, so many issues, so many possible outcomes. It doesn’t turn out quite the way you imagined. And that’s all you’ve been giving us – an imaginary Brexit with no obligations, nothing to negotiate, no problems to solve. Businesses suddenly without the single market and customs union – well they’ll just have to muddle through. Irish border…simple, just bung in some technology from somewhere, even if it doesn’t at present exist. Young people suddenly with reduced travel and work opportunities in the EU…well who cares? It’s a grey-haired Brexit but it’s the result of a lack of grey matter.
November 26, 2018
You must find it puzzling how over 150 nations who are not in the EU manage to survive.
November 26, 2018
We’ll survive but we’ll just be worse off.
November 26, 2018
How do you know that?
The real growth in living standards is in nations outside the EU.
EU has a falling share of world trade, lower than average world growth and much higher unemployment rates than top non EU nations.
November 25, 2018
I see Martin Howe QC’s damning piece about the WA generated a response from No 10 — as reported today in The Spectator — which in turn he has pulled apart. It is a sorry state indeed when the ‘leader’ of our great nation is left so wanting.
November 26, 2018
The WA was altered following his criticism. A date was added to the 20XX. The refutals to his original opinion are shown to be false and incompetent. Who in the civil service writes this tripe? Is the government unable to employ a lawyer capable of giving the PM reliable advice? If this is the best they can provide, it may explain why a feeble minded PM lies every time she opens her mouth.
November 25, 2018
May doesnât listen to the people nor does she know what the people are thinking.
She has not negotiated she has capitulated.
France and Spain have already broken cover gloating today, donât try telling us you achieved anything Mrs May, youâre obviously telling us porkies.
November 25, 2018
Martin Howe QC
“It is most regrettable that the government is not trying to sell the deal on its merits, but is seeking to take advantage of legal complexities to misrepresent the legal effects of the agreement on this critical point as well as others.”
November 25, 2018
I read that Theresa May is planning to visit Argentina for the G20. Is she planning to give away the Falklands and pay them a few billion as conscience money ?
After all, the British must always be wrong about everything, isn’t that what they teach our children?
November 25, 2018
We donât have to buy our medicines from the EU, the NHS has massive buying power and needs to find alternative suppliers now, why are we importing so many life saving drugs we should be more self sufficient!
We donât have to buy our fruit from Spain, we need to just eat seasonal UK grown fruit until we start to teach the Spanish we will not kowtow or give way on Gibralta, no more mass Spanish holidays until they get the message, donât threaten us. We are happy to work hand in hand but bite that hand and the gloves are off.
We donât have to buy French wines, cars, champagne, Macron is trying to show he is over powerful Over the embarrassing British PM because his people donât support him in `France and it makes good headlines for him. I love France this just makes me seethe.
If the politicians allow our Country to get stitched up then the people will have to deal with this humiliating stitch up ourselves with our combined buying power.
November 26, 2018
I haven’t bought any product marked Irish or from any other EU country except for Hungary and Poland for the last six months. I will now sell my house in France and not return to the area that I have vitited for the last 55years.
November 26, 2018
I don’t agree that there have been any concessions by the UK or anyone else on Gibraltar.
The furore at the last minute was an attention seeking stunt by Spain and appears to have been a dispute within the EU itself.
Insofar as it was anything at all, it was Spain asserting its’ National Sovereignty and right to negotiate direct with the UK on border arrangements with Gibraltar, rather than leaving it to the EU. I can’t imagine that any Leave voters would complain about that.
Gibraltar is not, and never has been part of the United Kingdom and has never been anything to do with the EU except as a Sovereign Possession of the UK. It’s a British Possession Overseas, and the only one which is part of the EU. It will Leave with us.
But the future of Gibraltar is, where it has been for decades and is the same as every constituent part of the UK (including England), and British Overseas territory:- in the hands of its’ people.
If they want to remain British that’s up to them. But for all we know they might want to leave UK Sovereignty and/or choose some sort of independent status within or outside the EU, perhaps similar to the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands) and/or join Spain.
Our responsibility is confined to standing by their right of self determination.
November 26, 2018
Past caring. I will now vote Labour, to punish this vile Conservative Party
November 26, 2018
It is more important that you do not vote for a elitist EU supporter.
November 26, 2018
I’ve just been listening to the BBC news. One Scottish Conservative MP is backing the Withdrawal Agreement because he says it gives us our fishing back, and another Scottish Conservative MP is refusing to back it because he says it doesn’t. It seems to me that there is a lot of lying going on at the moment, and the lies all originate from Mrs May and the government.