Last of the summer whine

Some Remain advocates are using David Cameron’s memoirs as an opportunity for another whine about the referendum.

I write to praise David Cameron. His decision to hold a referendum and to let the people  decide was a good one. I am glad to read that he defends it in his new book. He should be proud that he decided to trust the people to make this important decision.

I must now give David some advice. He should also be proud of the decision the voters made. He and the government he led was unequivocal. They told us they would implement whatever we decided. That implied he rightly though the UK could have a good future either way. I am very proud of the UK people voting as we did. We showed confidence in ourselves and our country. We saw that things can be better if we leave. As a man who led our country and studied public opinion closely for six years, he should welcome the clarity the voters gave him on this troubling issue.

I don’t like to think of David still worrying about the consequences of what he put in train. He should remember that the Lib Dems called for a referendum on In or Out of Europe . Labour supported the legislation he put forward to give us a referendum.  544 MPs voted for the actual referendum we held. The main parties at one time or another have all favoured a referendum, understanding that the mighty Treaties we have signed between our original membership and today did need to be put to the UK electorate directly.

I would also argue that we show ourselves to be good Europeans by voting to leave. The EU project today is to seek the full political union  that the large currency, economic and monetary union requires to make it successful. As the UK under governments of all three main  parties has refused to join the Euro, we need to get out of the way to let all those who do want a much fuller union to complete their construction. Out of the EU we can spend our own money, make our own laws and be truly global in our outlook and reach. The sooner we do so the better.

David tells us he would like the country to pull together more. He can help it do so by using his book launch to urge all his friends to get behind Brexit and help us make it a success.

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  1. Mark B
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    Good morning.

    The main parties at one time or another have all favoured a referendum . . .

    That they all thought they would win (Remain).

    CMD Also said that he would invoke Art.50 they day after, if we chose to Leave. Instead, he quit ! And this before he said he wouldn’t. You just can’t trust some people 😉

    CMD Said a lot of things. Much like Blair he was a good grifter, that just finally run out of marks to con.

    On that score I shalln’t be buying his book.

    • APL
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

      Mark B: “On that score I shalln’t be buying his book.”

      I am bored to the back teeth of wannabe celebs and one time politicians publishing their memoirs. I won’t be buying Cameroons scribbling either.

      He has still got his hand in my pocket and helping himself to my meagre income to fund his plush tax funded pension. If he wants any more money, he can get a damn job.

    • graham1946
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

      It’l be in the poundshops by Christmas. Probably last longer than a Yule log on the fire.

    • NickC
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:24 am | Permalink

      MarkB, It seems that neither David Cameron, nor George Osborne, have learnt anything from our vote to Leave their EU empire (hat tip: Verhofstadt). Both of them perceive the Referendum as something they got wrong, whilst being perfectly oblivious to the importance of the voting majority being opposed to their EU. It is as though our existence and our votes are irrelevant to people like them. Ohh . . . .

    • JoolsB
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:29 am | Permalink

      I won’t be buying his book either. Apparently his advance alone was £800,000. Oh well at least he won’t have to worry about his kids coming out of university with crippling debts hanging over them for most of their working lives unlike all those in England, and England alone, he has saddled with these debts.

  2. Peter Wood
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Good Morning,

    Sir John, your penultimate paragraph needs to answer the question why does the EU not allow us to leave amicably? We are ‘reluctant Europeans’ according to JC Junker, so the logic is to have us leave but remain friends. The EU bureaucracy seems not to want this. Surely there is one reason; we pay! We pay net, far more than France who has a similar size economy, and we ‘pay’ an enormous budget deficit for goods, many of which we could probably get cheaper elsewhere if we didn’t have to enforce EU tariffs.

    • BW
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:30 am | Permalink

      The main reason is not financial. It is political. The EU simply cannot afford under any circumstances for Britain to succeed outside the EU as this will lead to others leaving. That is why the WA was written by the EU so as to maximise their control for as long as possible. As was said, no nation has signed such a document as the WA unless they had lost a war.

      • Jacey
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

        Sir John you state that the ultimate destination of the E.U. is full political union. Do you feel that this ultimate goal will be reached by them ?

      • agricola
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

        Specifically the imposition of the Treaty of Versailles by the French upon the Germans and we all know where that led.

        • L Jones
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

          However, Agricola, this book is worth reading for a different point of view on the subject of the Treaty of Versailles. There may even be analogies where the EU is concerned (I haven’t read it all yet).
          ”A Perfidious Distortion of History” by Jurgen Tampke.

        • steve
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:35 pm | Permalink


          My sentiments exactly.

          Not much has changed where the french are concerned. They think it’s all about them, and they don’t give a bugger about anyone else.

          In fact it was always said that the EEC would have been a good thing if the french weren’t in it. I remember when we joined the EEC the french declared it was essential they were in the driving seat of Europe. That should have been a warning to other members, and france should have been expelled there and then.

          But then locking other countries into crippling treaties for the purpose of plundering other’s resources is the french way. They haven’t really progressed from the Gaullist psyche.

      • Peter Wood
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:31 am | Permalink

        I of course meant ‘trade deficit’ not budget deficit.

        I disagree that it’s mainly political. Yes, certain countries in the EU want and benefit from a Pan-European superstate. Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands etc, it gives them security without cost. The rest, I believe, don’t want a ‘European Empire’, as Mr. Verhofstadt puts it. For the UK it simply doesn’t make economic NOR political sense. We are paying for a new political regime and it costs us in trade AND it costs us in providing military protection.
        Germany has long been living off the military umbrella of NATO (USA), and now it gets cheap fuel from Russia (conflict of interest?). Germany has taken advantage of the rest of Europe, by its financial contribution to the EU. It gets whatever it wants. The EU bureaucracy is a puppet organisation, with simply a veneer of democratic accountability.

      • Narrow Shoulders
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:51 am | Permalink

        The UK has a very specific set of financial circumstances which make leaving more attractive than staying. Those are being a substantial net contributor and running a large trading deficit with the block.

        Other nations are either net recipients or run a trading surplus such that paying in is worthwhile.

        If the EU negotiates a deal with us that lets it still run a surplus there is no reason for others to leave. Thus the reason they want us to fail is because we might show it up as the protectionist arrangement it is by trading successfully outside the customs union.

        Why the guilt-ridden, metropolitan, apologists for the UK’s existence want to stay in so badly is less clear.

    • libertarian
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:40 am | Permalink

      Peter Wood

      WE CAN LEAVE, we dont need the EU’s permission . It OUR MP’s, Speaker and main broadcast media that are preventing us. They have made up stories about dire consequences of ‘no deal” all of them untrue, all of them easily investigated and shown to be nonsense but they keep going . the BMA , the BMA the very people GP’s that were formally the most trusted people in the country tell us that insulin will run out while the head of the company who actually supply it here says we definitely won’t and they have 12 months supply in the country , they are knowingly lying in order to overturn a democratic vote

      No wonder they are terrified of a General Election.

      • NickC
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:30 am | Permalink

        Libertarian, The British Retail Consortium (BRC) is another establishment culprit. Have a look at the BRC’s Tariff Road Map. It is complete Remain tosh: unrecorded assumptions, fakery, mediocre, and petulant.

      • Bob
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

        Contents of the discussions held between Mr Barnier and people like Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Chucka Ummuna, Jeremy Corbyn and Lady Nugee should be made public.

        I’m suspect that those MPs encouraged Brussels to act tough while assuring Mr Barnier that they and their like minded colleagues in the Houses of Parliament would do whatever necessary from this side to disrupt Brexit.

        This may explain the hysteria over Boris’ pledge to leave by 31st Oct., even if a deal is not agreed.

    • Helena
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

      You can leave amicably, and you can then talk about a good trade deal. the EU has made that VERY clear, over and over again. You have to settle the bill for existing agreed commitments of course, you have to find a way to keep the Irish border invisible, a problem created by the Uk’s decision to leave the EU, and you have to see to the rights of existing EU and UK nationals living in other states. But you smart Brexiters will have no problem will that, will you? You will of course face up to your responsibilities, wont you? Then all will be sweetness and light.

      • Andy
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:45 am | Permalink


        By ‘leaving amicably’ Brexiteers mean they want to leave but to retain all the economic benefits of membership.

        You are perfectly entitled to leave. You are perfectly entitled to be friends afterwards. But you will be poorer because that is what Brexit means.

        • NickC
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:47 am | Permalink

          Andy, Not so. As has been frequently recorded on here, not least by Denis Cooper, even the EU does not think that the EU’s single market has benefited the UK by more than about 1% of UK GDP.

          And of course EU rules harm both our domestic market, and our exports to the rest of the world, being typically set to suit economies like Germany and France, not ours. Setting our own trade policy is therefore crucial for our wealth. Only Brexit frees us to do that.

        • dixie
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:55 am | Permalink

          What economic benefits to us of membership?

        • BillM
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:59 am | Permalink

          LOL. Andy the die-hard remainer. Why will we be poorer? Will the EU be better off with OUR leaving without a deal? They stand to lose much more than we. Besides that, trade will not stop just because we leave. Exports and imports will be subject to a WTO common tariff if there is no deal. Because of the enormous Trade deficit (£90)B) we carry with the EU We stand to net gain £Billions from that.
          How do you think the Rest of the World manages without the EU controlling their lives? Little Iceland, Singapore, South Korean, Taiwan, Australia and NZ and of all the other members of the Commonwealth are Independent Nations and they thrive without being held down by the heavy chains of the old communist-style bureaucracy that pervades the EU.
          Such way-out-of-date principles brought down the USSR and it will certainly do the same to the EU.
          Think more of YOUR country(If you are British) than of your mentors in Brussels and believe in Britain as a FREE Nation. Or leave the Country to find peace inside the citadel over there.

        • Lester Beedell
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

          Where is your proof for that statement ?

          Half a million jobs would go if we voted to Leave!

          • libertarian
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

            Lester Beedell

            Ah that old chestnut. Well you better provide some evidence , which jobs would go and why would they go? In what industries?

            This is the biggest lie of them all, has no logic or common sense about it at all . Even if the industries that currently sell to the EU stopped selling totally to the EU ( no idea why they would do that) we wouldn’t lose half a million jobs

            The Medical profession and others all claim that hordes of EU workers are leaving to go home ( its actually not true but hey) There are 2.9 million EU nationals working in the UK even if only 10% left that would CREATE 290,000 job vacancies

            Oh and by the way we currently have 812,000 unfilled full time jobs in the UK

            I would really like to see you explain this claim of job losses please

          • John Hatfield
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

            Andy, EU membership costs Britain a fortune. The only beneficiaries are the five per cent 5% of UK businesses that trade with the EU. Many of these are large multinational companies which dominate bodies such as the CBI. They can hire PR and lobbying firms to get their stories and agendas across to Government departments, to the detriment of smaller businesses that trade within the UK or with non-EU countries.
            The single market is a rip-off, funded by the British taxpayer.

        • Anonymous
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

          Poorer – yes and no.

      • Edward2
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:46 am | Permalink

        Well that’s not correct Helena.
        The EU has refused to talk about a trade deal for the last three years.
        The agreed bill needs adjusting down now because of the delay in leaving.
        We have continued to pay billions to the EU whilst that time has gone on.
        The UK has shown ways the current border in Ireland can be arranged but the EU has refused to accept any option.
        The UK has said it will guarantee EU citizens living and working here can stay.
        The EU has refused to give any reciprocal guarantees for UK citizens living and working in the CEO.
        So your whole post is a nonsense.

      • a-tracy
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:50 am | Permalink

        Helena haven’t the UK part settled the forward agreed budgeted bill by staying in longer than we expected to, an extra year and 3 months so surely this bill you talk about ‘for existing agreed commitments’ should be reduced anyway!

      • NickC
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:51 am | Permalink

        Helena, The UK cannot possibly owe more than we would have paid net if we had remained in the EU to the end of the current MFF. Obviously. That is about £13bn maximum currently.

  3. Stephen Priest
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    Cameron held all the cards in the referendum and lost.

    He had SKY, BBC, ITV, CHANNEL 4 on his side and lost.

    He had most of the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the Lib Dems, the SNP on his side and lost

    He had President Obama on his side and lost.

    He grovelled to Merkel and Holland for weeks, got nothing and lost

    A statesman might have kept a dignified silence. But another Conservative who want to undermine Boris. Another Conservative who seems to prefer a Corbyn Premiership to Boris.

    • Timaction
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:28 am | Permalink

      It’s a lot worse than that. The Governor of the Bank of England, CBI and a whole long list of Civil Serpents and Government Agencies with their doom and gloom and forcasts. They lied through their teeth and still do so after four years! We’ve had enough and the legacies and stables need to be swept away …………..forever! Patriatism and promoting English values and destroying political correctness is needed now. Selection by merit and not pc bs!

    • Lifelogic
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:32 am | Permalink

      Well he had all the cards that you list but he was on the wrong side of the argument. He had come back with his thin gruel and tried to defend this sick joke. Most could see it was a simple choice. The end of democracy (and become mere regions of the EU socialist, anti-democratic superstate or restore UK democracy and UK court supremacy.

      He was wrong and the voters could see this, all the other cards were insufficient to overcome this fatal flaw.

    • John Hatfield
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

      Cameron is also a coward. Having lost his referendum he broke his promise and fled.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:25 am | Permalink

        Indeed Cameron failed to prepare for both outcomes and pathetically just abandoned ship. The man is pathetic and totally dishonest. He gained power by claiming to be a “low tax at heart Conservative” and a Cast Iron EU-sceptic. It turned out he was the complete opposite he lied to get the job.

        He did not even keep Osborne’s IHT £1 million each tax promise. He was a tax to death, EU-phile who, in an act of gross negligence and utter contempt for the people failed to prepare for a Brexit outcome and then just abandoned the ship.

        The endless lies from Cameron are all clearly documented. His calling of Farage’s UKIP party ‘fruitcakes and closet racists’ was a total disgrace. Farage was completely honest and far, far superior to Cameron. He was not remotely racist. Cameron’s book serialisation shows him to be even more of a pathetic man than I thought he was already.

  4. Nig l
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    I am not going to descend into an anti Cameron rant although I could for umpteen reasons. He should keep quiet and go back from whence he came.

    • a-tracy
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

      He’s getting free publicity just to sell his book.

    • eeyore
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:30 am | Permalink

      Nig 1 – Thank you for resisting a rant. Good to see our host remains positive, courteous and helpful too. These are far from trivial qualities in the current atmosphere.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:26 am | Permalink

      Crawl back under a stone perhaps.

  5. Stephen Priest
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    The Liberal Democrats seem to have a large number of MPs who were voted into parliament as members of other parties.

    This definition of democracy reminds me of the German Democratic Republic, otherwise know as East Germany.

    • libertarian
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

      The Liberal Democrats are now the first major political party in an advanced western nation to stand on an election manifesto of doing away with democracy

      They are going to be so shocked when they win the election and we tell them we aren’t going to let them run the government coz thats how it works now

    • JoolsB
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

      Exactly – one third of their MPs were elected to other parties. Those same MPs who now insist on a second referendum but refuse to put themselves up for re-election in a by-election. We need a recall system in our politics now more than ever!

  6. Len Grinds
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    “Implement” whatever we decided? Well, go on, tell us what was decided. To leave but keep the exact same benefits, as D Davis said? Show me that deal. Leave, but be in a free trade zone stretching from Iceland to Turkey, as M Gove promised? Where’s that deal then? Leave, and have the German carmakers hammering on Mrs Merkel’s door to demand we get a great deal, as Duncan Smith told us? Where’s that deal? And where are all the other countries who you leavers told us would be falling over themselves to give us a great new trade deal? I await answers, I’ve been waiting for over three years. Bottom line – there is nothing to “implement”. 17m people voted in 2016 for something that does not exist and can never be implemented – a pain free Brexit. Isnt going to happen. Stop Brexit now before we wreck our country even more

    • Sir Joe Soap
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

      Perhaps you should rewrite this to rhyme as an ode to T May. Just because she couldn’t cope with the logic doesn’t mean that nobody else can.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:35 am | Permalink

        Indeed. It is simple we voted to leave with no deal or with a deal (if that deal is better than no deal). May’s deal was not better it was appalling. It was not even leaving in any real sense.

      • Frankh
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

        So let’s see how the incredible hulk gets on tomorrow with Junker in his bunker?

        the term Incredible Hulk presupposes that UK has some valid right to be angry with the EU for not agreeing to allow UK to cherry pick its way to the FTA of its dreams- well am afraid that WTO Rules do no work like that- all future stuff will take time to work out- a lot of time. The whine is on the Boris side and am afraid the EU as usual is saying little.

    • libertarian
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

      Len Grinds

      Give up. You are clueless. We DO NOT WANT the so called benefits , WE DO NOT WANT a customs union, a single market or free movement

      You might await answers but it helps if you read them

      We currently have 44 new deals signed , even the EU has signed some interim deals

      Here from the EU website ( shorten version for moderator)

      Sector-specific regulation
      Financial services
      After a thorough examination of the risks linked to a no deal scenario in the financial sector, the Commission has found that only a limited number of contingency measures is necessary to safeguard financial stability .
      The Commission has therefore adopted today the following acts:
      A temporary and conditional equivalence for EU operators currently using UK operators.

      The Commission has today adopted two measures that will avoid full interruption of air traffic between the EU and the UK in the event of no deal. These measures will ensure basic connectivity

      Customs and the export of goods

      The Commission has today adopted the following technical measures:
      A Delegated Regulation to include the seas surrounding the UK in the provisions on time-limits within which entry summary declarations and pre-departure declarations have to be lodged prior to leaving or entering the Union’s customs territory.

      You might want to check facts before you post, stops you looking even more stupid

      • Len Grinds
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:24 am | Permalink

        O dear libertarian, you are truly confsued! None of these are “deals”. All of these are measures taken unilaterally by the EU, and imposed on the UK which has no say at all in their making, but which is forced to suck them up and comply on pain of having its economy wrecked. See what “taking back control” actually means? It means being told what to do by a much bigger boy with a much bigger stick. Welcome to Brexit and welcome to powerlessness

        • Edward2
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

          You are being silly Les.
          Read those statements from the EU again.
          Financial services….equivolance for the UK
          Transport…no disruption to flights
          Customs…a sensible arrangement between EU and UK
          Why would the UK reject those amicable arrangements?
          You want to see chaos Les.
          But it isn’t going to happen.

        • libertarian
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

          Len Grinds

          THERE ARE 44 deals in place with OTHER countries outside the EU.

          You were WRONG. You said there weren’t any . Why did you say that when you are totally WRONG ?

          Er if any one is confused its you. They are EU deals that maintain the status quo as is until further notice, that is hardly an imposition and sucking it up is it. If you think that is how international trade agreements work, bigger boys with bigger sticks then you are in for a huge shock in the EU when the USA and China have a go at you.

          So either you are very very stupid or you are wilfully ignoring the facts . Maybe dont post stuff that is blatantly incorrect?

      • Ferdia
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

        The one big thing that will be lost is JIT. JIT is the answer to our economic success without it we are back to the 1960’s- but without a merchant navy. We become ‘Ourselves alone’ – or in the Irish gaelic Sinn Fein

        • Edward2
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

          Why will Just In Time as a procurement system be lost?
          It is a world wide system and works well.
          It is agreed between suppliers and customers.
          There is no reason for it to falter just because we leave the EU.
          Please explain Ferdis.

        • cornishstu
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

          If you go back through this blog you will find JIT has been covered numerous times and the myth that it will be lost thoroughly debunked.

        • libertarian
          Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:55 pm | Permalink


          Another remainer without the remotest idea what a Just In Time global delivery system is even smh

          • libertarian
            Posted September 16, 2019 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

            Ferdia ( and others)

            Just so you know JIT was developed by the Japanese in the 1950’s and was adopted in UK , USA & other nations in the 1970’s . Long before the EU even existed

    • mickc
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:55 am | Permalink

      The UK voted to leave. The voters are not stupid; they did not want to be governed by the EU, but by a Government they elect and can dismiss.
      The real turning point was Cameron seeking help from the EU on immigration and being told to s*d off; so we voted to do just that.

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 10:09 am | Permalink


        “The UK voted to leave. The voters are not stupid;”

        But nearly half of us didn’t. And all research shows that remainers are the movers and shakers in this country providing jobs for the Brexit voting masses.

        And Cameron was just one of many of our previous leaders wanting special treatment and opt outs. The other EU members had enough and shouted: Good riddance!

        • NickC
          Posted September 16, 2019 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

          Margaret H, All research?? Let’s see it then!

          And why do you Remains so desperately want to be ruled by the EU empire anyway? Is it because you have no confidence in your own abilities? Some “movers and shakers” you lot turn out to be.

        • libertarian
          Posted September 16, 2019 at 4:01 pm | Permalink


          You better provide the evidence because my research shows that 61% of small business owners voted Brexit and SME provide a majority of private sector jobs

    • Edward2
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:50 am | Permalink

      All the items you list Len, are items to be decided in a trade deal after we leave. The EU has flatly refused for over three years to start any trade negotiations.
      Yet you think the lack of progress is our fault.

    • NickC
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

      Len Grinds, No one before the Referendum vote had any trouble understanding what Leave meant – it meant departing from the EU, abrogating the EU treaties, and ceasing being governed in any way by the EU.

      Most Leaves (not me) wanted that done via TEU Art50 and an amicable fair “deal”. The EU has refused a trade deal, and been vindictive and intransigent about the odious WA, which makes the UK “a colony”. Lay the blame in the right place.

    • John Archer
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

      There was no advice given and no promise made on the ballot paper. It contained only the one simple question: leave or stay? In particular, there was nothing about any deal.

      Whom—if anyone—a man listens to and believes in making his mind up about which way to cast his vote is, of course, entirely up to him. If he is dumb enough he will believe what the meeja and many politicians tell him.

      There is simply no accounting for how dumb people can be, and indeed are. Just look at who gets elected to Parliament for proof of that.

      17m people voted in 2016 for something that does not exist and can never be implemented – a pain free Brexit.

      Did they now — a “pain free” Brexit was an option on the ballot paper, was it?

      You’re a prime example of whom not to listen to.

      Some voted OUT irrespective of any “pain” that leaving might entail. I know a few personally. Indeed there might be millions of us. And who is to say there isn’t? You?


      • Edward2
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

        But there was months of debate in the media, did you miss it all John?
        Did you not get your leaflet?
        Did all remainers understand why they voted the way they did too?

    • L Jones
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

      Mr Grinds. ”I await answers”. So do we.

      So perhaps you, then, would answer just one simple question: why remain?

  7. Garland
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    You want David ” to urge all his friends to get behind Brexit and help us make it a success”. And that, three years on from the referendum, is all you Brexiters have got left. No plan, no detail, no knowledge of how the EU and the WTO function (or, in the case of the WTO, doesn’t function). Just plaintive appeals to “get behind Brexit”. You sound like the supporter of a useless football team – you’re five nil down but you want us to “get behind” the lads, like that helps anyone

    • libertarian
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:53 am | Permalink



    • dixie
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:05 am | Permalink

      So what was your plan for remaining, what benefits would there be for everyone in the UK from staying in the progressive EU project? If the EU was so intrinsically beneficial why did you only push concocted fearmongering, where were the tangible benefits? Why were you incapable of convincing the majority who voted?

      • roger
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

        and answer came there none.
        Will no one step forward and explain what consummate benefits will accrue from continued membership?
        Last night at the proms, defined as it is by patriotic music and airs, was despoiled by the waving of flags representing a trading bloc and persons wearing a blue with circled yellow stars pudding hat resembling a sphincter or pus filled boil in desperate need of a squeeze.
        To complete the irony of the situation these creatures were singing ‘Britons never ever will be slaves’!
        Institutions such as this should never be politicised and whoever provided the EU flags and ridiculous hats should be exposed.
        You really could not make it up.

    • L Jones
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

      Is that it? An analogy between Brexit and a football match? A little shallow, isn’t it, even for you? Try thinking outside the box – there’s a big world out here. It doesn’t end at the borders of your EU.
      So yes – get behind your country for a change. Show some loyalty to it. You show plenty to your much-revered EU, and that isn’t a country, and is doing a lot of damage to its component parts. Or haven’t you noticed?

  8. Mike Stallard
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    Having listened to that clip of Guy Verhoftadt explaining what the EU was trying to do at the Liberal Conference (become an Empire like China and India and USA), I am even more firm in my belief that Brexit, come what may, is the best way forward.
    And Mr Cameron has had his day and should retire.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:40 am | Permalink

      Indeed but he really meant one more like the USSR I suspect. I remember Ted Heath saying (of China) something like:- you cannot run a country of billions of people as a democracy. Doubtless why he loved burying us the anti-democratic EU.

    • Original Richard
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

      Guy Verhofstadt at the Lib Dem Party conference :

      “Tomorrow is a world of empires in which we European and you British can only defend your interests, your way of life by doing it together in a European framework, in a European Union.”

      Yet we know that it is the EU’s intention to eliminate nation states and thus each state’s “way of life”.

      This is to be achieved through continuous expansion and massive migration.

  9. Javelin
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Talk Of Boris going to prison because of his decision to suspend Parliament is uneducated nonsense.

    Section 9 of the Bill of Rights very clearly protects freedom of speech and parliamentary process from being questioned in court. As long as Boris followed process the court cannot even talk about the process he followed.

    The house could waive section 9 but only where no criminal action can be taken against a member.

    “Judicial review is the court procedure whereby the High Court reviews the lawfulness of administrative decisions, including ministers’ decisions, as well as decisions of lower courts and tribunals. Ministers’ powers are limited, and in judicial review proceedings relating to a ministerial decision the court is asked to decide whether the minister acted outside his powers. He might have done so, for instance, by failing to take into account some important matter he should have had in mind or by misdirecting himself on the purpose for which a particular statutory power could be used. The court does not substitute its own discretion for that of the minister. If the minister acted within his powers his decision will stand. If he acted outside his powers his decision was unlawful and the court may quash it. It will then be for the minister to consider the matter afresh.

    the House itself should be empowered to waive the article 9 privilege in any case where no question arises of the member making the statement being at risk of incurring legal liability.

    the vital constitutional principle of freedom of speech in Parliament would be preserved. When they speak in Parliament members would have, as now, complete confidence that no legal liability could attach to them in consequence.”

    In fact questioning or changing Prorogation can only be done by Parliament by an Act of Parliament such as the Five Year Fixed Term Act.

    If Parliament wanted to stop the porogation they should have passed an act.

    “Prorogation being a prerogative power, there is no obvious legal mechanism by which Parliament could prevent its exercise otherwise than by passing legislation to constrain it. Parliament has legislated to constrain or replace the prerogative in the past. For instance, whereas previously the dissolution of Parliament prior to a General Election was an exclusively prerogative power, the calling of an election is now governed by the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011.”

    The only possible way to stop a Government proroging Parliament for months or even years once it had been called is to pass a no confidence motion and to call a general election. Which of course Labour won’t do because they would lose heavily.

    The remainers now have two weeks after prorogation to discuss and pass a new Act of Parliament to withdraw Art 50.

    Boris could prorogue Parliament once the discussion was complete and Parliament had its say and before any legislation was passed and Parliament would have no option other than to pass a vote of no confidence.

    In fact to stop Art 50 Parliament would first have to pass an act stopping Boris from using any Parliamentary procedure to prevent suspension of Parliament, including emergency powers, and then would have to pass a second act stopping Art 50. Two acts in two weeks. The first being massive. Plus Boris would want time to discuss his negotiations.

    Welcome to freedom. All Boris has to do is not deliver the EU Withdrawal Act, imposed on May by the EU, for the Conservatives to then survive the Brexit party.

    • Hereward the Wake
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink

      Could he advise the Queen not to grant Royal Assent to any further Speaker aided Remain legislation on the grounds that if the Remainers don’t like it they can allow a GE?

    • David Taylor
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:32 am | Permalink

      Fascinating , full of facts , I particularly like this one from ,

      54. A cautionary warning must also be added on a point of constitutional importance. Since a ministerial decision may be debated in Parliament and also subjected to judicial review proceedings in court, it is possible that parliamentary proceedings and court proceedings regarding the same decision may take place simultaneously. This occurred in 1993, on an occasion of political sensitivity. On 20 July 1993 the House of Lords gave the politically controversial European Communities (Amendment) Bill its third reading. Meanwhile on 16 July Lord Rees-Mogg had applied to the court for a declaration that the United Kingdom could not lawfully ratify the treaty on European Union signed at Maastricht in February 1992, and for an order to quash the decision of the Foreign Secretary to proceed to ratify the treaty.[119] This was seen in parts of the House of Commons as an attempt to influence a political debate by judicial means. The Speaker rightly expressed the view that the House was entitled to expect that when the case came on for hearing, the Bill of Rights would be fully respected by all those appearing before the court.[120] Clearly, there is scope here for abuse. The courts must be vigilant to ensure that judicial processes are not used for political ends in a manner which interferes with Parliament’s conduct of its business.
      55. The Joint Committee recommends that article 9 should not be interpreted as precluding the use of proceedings in Parliament in court for the purpose of judicial review of governmental decisions.

      The more things change , the more they remain the same .

    • Jack Leaver
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:31 am | Permalink

      Javelin, I do not trust Boris to “not deliver the EU Withdrawal Act”. In my opinion, Boris is a bottler and he will do all he can to fulfil his promise to leave the EU on the 31st October even if it means agreeing to a repackaged WA/PD. I do not believe he ever had the intention of delivering a no deal Brexit if he is unable to reach an agreement with the EU and the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill gives Boris all the excuses he needs to say he tried but failed to meet the deadline.

      • JoolsB
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

        Im afraid I’m beginning to agree with you Jack. Well at least we can all vote for the Brexit Party if Boris doesn’t give us a clean break. The Tories will be finished anyway.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

      The prorogation of Parliament is one issue, while if he sticks with his refusal to send the letter asking for an Article 50 extension that would be another issue, and it would be that second issue that could land him in prison. For that issue he would not have the Bill of Rights on his side, the exact opposite:

      “I don’t need to pore over the English Bill of Rights of 1689 to recall that it condemned James II for acting as if he was above the law, and the same would apply to the Prime Minister of the present sovereign … “

    • eeyore
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

      Javelin – I think the idea was that Boris went to jail for contempt following defiance of a court order to write the Benn Act letter.

      Of course, even in jail he would still be PM until the House voted him out. Given the restrictions on visitors, mobile phones etc that prisoners suffer, I fear all government business would have to be smuggled in and out in the underpants of compliant screws.

      As for the weekly audiences with the Queen … .

  10. Everhopeful
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    Don’t think he actually trusted us….he thought he could bamboozle us into the “right” decision.
    Unfortunately for him there were those who had been praying for the chance of a Referendum.
    But the political class is just too mean to allow us that victory.
    Presumably after all his other attempts at creating a legacy he thought he could put the “Europe Question” to bed. Well he didn’t and the Tory party lies in worse tatters than ever …just like the country.
    Not a good vintage as politicians go.

    • Chris
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:43 am | Permalink

      David Cameron was shallow in my mind, and his “knowledge” of the EU was superficial. He himself admitted to being “clueless” about the EU.

      I suggest also that his understanding of the British people was poor and he thought dedicating himself to eradicating the Theresa May imposed label of “nasty” was the key thing to win voters. Hopeless. If you abandon your core and base policy on focus groups in order to hunt down the elusive centre ground of politics, then you deserve to have failed, which you did, in my mind.

      • Everhopeful
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:05 am | Permalink

        Exactly..and just remembered…he really alienated his grass roots with insults ( “ Turnip Taliban” ) and parachuting in candidates etc.

  11. Dominic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    I couldn’t care less about Cameron’s thoughts, opinions of feelings about the future constitutional direction of the UK or indeed his opinions on anything else for that matter

    He turned the Tories into a vacuous, empty, insincere and unprincipled rabble. He was continuity Blair and that alone condemns Cameron

    Cameron offered the British voter a referendum not because he believed the UK should return to a self-governing, independent nation. He offered it for purely party political reasons. Why would you praise him for that? He had no allegiance to the UK and its democracy. His only concern was promoting the interests of the PCP.

    Instead of dismantling Labour’s client state and its aim of undermining British democracy while promoting the EU’s grip over this nation he continued Blair’s efforts. And that deserves praise does it?

    You should be thanking Farage not Cameron.

    • Timaction
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:38 am | Permalink

      He turned the Tory’s into Liberal Democrats and as can be seen by its defecting MP’s going home!
      The legacies deserve destruction for the lies and deceit shown over decades on the EU and its true intentions. Indeed Farage should be Knighted but what has May done? Arise traitor Sir Olly!

    • James1
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:40 am | Permalink

      O/t Biased Broadcasting Corporation at it again, using a ‘Vote Remain’ photo in a news item announcing The Brexit Party taking control of a council. When are our political representatives going to sort them out for their blatant and unashamed propaganda. A tax funded state channel might have been acceptable in the 1920’s. In this day and age it is ludicrous. Very simple, just announce that it is no longer compulsory to have a television licence. There is no reason that they should not compete in the same way as any other commercial concern. If they exist at all after a few years we will be able to see how much time and monetary resource they have to spend on biased reporting.

      • GilesB
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

        At the birth of broadcasting it made sense in 1922 for the monopoly supplier to be state owned.

        For eighty years while the BBC kept to its mission to educate and entertain it was the jewel in the crown of British culture, admired and loved at home and overseas, and the epitome of soft power.

        In the last twenty years however there has been an explosion of alternative providers. In an attempt to compete BBC executives entered a race to the bottom, and have also unilaterally expanded the mission to include ideological propaganda and social engineering. In so doing they have ruined not only the BBC’s historic reputation for quality entertainment, but also its credibility as an impartial reporter.

        The existence of a monopoly state-owned broadcaster is longer either necessary or desirable. The BBC has outlived its purpose. Except perhaps for the World Service which could be maintained under new management by the Foreign Office or the Department for International Aid.

        The rest of the current organisation could just be disbanded. But the back catalogue and physical assets have some value, so it should be privatised through an auction.

        The proceeds should be given to current licence holders, or all British citizens, before the Corporation’s centenary in 2022.

    • Chris
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

      Very well said, Dominic.

    • John Archer
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

      Dominic, the blog post struck me more as being in the way of a Marc Anthony variant:

      I come to praise Caesar, not to bury him

      [… and spit on his coffin]. 🙂

  12. Julie Williams
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    I think that you are giving Cameron too much credit: he knew that the issue was increasingly unavoidable and was patronising and wrong…as most of the MPs playing their little games in Parliament still are, it’s like watching toddlers fighting in a sandpit. Even better, he just walked away and washed his hands when he could have stayed and fulfilled his promises to the country.

  13. oldtimer
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    Mr Cameron’s quoted remarks in the Sunday Times about Johnson and Gove during the referendum serve to diminish his reputation more than theirs. They reflect spite on his part and an utter failure to understand what the country of which he was PM.

    He calls the £350 million a week for Europe a lie. Yet it was the gross figure paid to the EU. The latest ComRes survey reveals popular distrust of the political class and, more worrying still, of the institution of parliament itself. This reflects the latest parliamentary shenanigans that seek to frustrate Brexit. MPs are playing with fire. Unless they are careful they will get very badly burned. Cameron’s memoirs, no doubt carefully timed, add fuel to that fire. Clearly he has learned nothing since resigning from office.

    • Chris
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

      Cameron seems peeved that people do not view him as a great PM. Maybe he is beginning to realise that he was not revered and in fact many thought he was not up to the job having no real principles, but instead always chasing focus groups and focusing on “image”. Yes, he had the salesman patter, but a large proportion of the electorate were not fooled. He was superficial, and now he seems to be whining/appearing miffed that we didn’t appreciate him as we apparently should have done. I, for one, feel that we are well rid of him.

  14. Kenneth
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    What has happened is shocking.

    For three years MPs have ignored the democratically expressed will of the people.

    The day after the referendum the BBC promoted the idea of a “soft brexit’ thus marking the beginning of the non-democratic sector’s campaign against the People and against democracy.

    They know full well that an election – another dose of democracy – will burst their bubble and reduce their power base.

    They are shying away from the ballot box. Shame on them.

    • Narrow Shoulders
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:01 pm | Permalink


      For three years MPs have ignored the democratically expressed will of the people.

      It is worse than that. For three years MPs and many others have fought to redefine their loss into a victory with weasel words, slander and obstruction.

      Not for them making the best of a situation, they want the situation to reflect their desires. They know best.

  15. Stephen J
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Until such time as the European Union becomes a nation state, which seems to be its most urgent ambition, I will never accept that damned blue rag that was polluting the “Last Night of the Proms” yesterday.

    Have the BBC no shame?

    • Dominic
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:32 am | Permalink

      Blame the utterly gutless Tories who sat and watch without protesting against the BBC’s descent into a pure-bred propaganda organisation obsessed with keeping this nation tied to the EU and operating as a social control conduit as it promotes its progressive agenda

      There’s only way to dismantle it all and that is to vote BP. A vote for the Tories, Marxist Labour and the LDP is a vote for the status quo and ever more authoritarianism

    • bigneil
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:31 am | Permalink

      I too watched The Proms last night. The songs at the end, the people stood out in the dark in other locations – all singing their heads off in support of these nations. It always brings tears to my eyes. . . . With the BBC’s constant anti brexit and mass immigration stance i’m wondering when they’ll do “The Last night of the Poms”.

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:29 pm | Permalink


        “With the BBC’s constant anti brexit and mass immigration stance i’m wondering when they’ll do “The Last night of the Poms (sic)”.

        Get rid of it. The last night has become a venue for vulgar exhibitionists. Sir Henry Wood must be turning in his grave.

    • graham1946
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:31 am | Permalink

      And the French blue berets. All bobbing up and down and singing Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory. They are truly clueless.
      Still that should be the last time we see that particular spectacle at the Proms, unless Boris lets us down again.

      • James1
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:56 am | Permalink

        If Boris despite all his promises, pivots to a Brino Westminster fudge, I believe the ensuing disappointment (not to say fury) will be such as to ensure that The Brexit Party will form the Government at the next election.

    • Dave Andrews
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

      Said “blue rag” nowhere in evidence amongst the democracy protestors outside the British Consulate in Hong Kong. It seems when it comes to symbols of democracy, it just doesn’t figure. They are all sporting the Union Flag.

    • Brenda
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

      Mozart and beethoven and strauss were Brits, were they?

      • Anonymous
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

        They wouldn’t have called themselves Europeans either, Brenda.

  16. Lifelogic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Exactly Cameron should get behind the referendum result. The one he promised to implement and serve the section 50 notice the next day. This rather than attacking Boris for sensible supporting the right leave outcome. He should also have ensured that government had prepared properly for both outcomes (not to do was gross negligence by his government and by the civil service bureaucrats).

    The bus advert was not a lie, merely a suggestion and nor was it a lie to talk about Turkey possibly joining. Yes we had a veto (which everyone knew and was pointed out endlessly) but the history of the EU is the UK parliament endlessly giving up vetos and powers to veto (without authority from the people).

    I do not believe, as Cameron claims, that Boris did not really want a Brexit outcome. Or that he only supported leave for career advancement. He was perhaps torn on the issue but came down to the right conclusion despite his appallingly remain familiy Libdim family.

    The truth is Cameron had a huge oportunity (and the ability) with two open duck elections to be a great PM – all he has to do was to be the low tax at heart, cast iron EU sceptic that he claimed to be. Alas, at heart, he was just another misguided Libdim.

    • bigneil
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:34 am | Permalink

      I don’t understand how Turkey has yet to join, but their people are literally flooding everywhere. Barbers and Restaurants popping up. It seems open borders are already here between the UK and Turkey.

      • Anonymous
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

        Ditto here but we all rub along well enough, it seems. Numbers are going to cause practical problems.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

      But we the people would not have had a veto because William Hague had carefully excluded accession treaties from his “referendum lock”. From June 20 2016:

      “To me it is perfectly clear that our politicians would strongly resist any attempt to give the British people a direct say on whether Turkey should be allowed to join the EU, and we would be in another, probably unsuccessful, campaign to get a referendum.”

      “My second reason for thinking it is that if they wanted us to have a referendum before Turkey could join the EU then they would have put that into the “referendum lock” law, the European Union Act 2011, but rather than doing that they did the exact opposite by putting in a blanket exemption for all accession treaties, Section 4(4)(c), which has already been invoked to rule out a referendum on whether we wanted Croatia to be admitted to the EU.”

      • GilesB
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

        Boris should bring forward a bill that would require a UK referendum on any EU treaty change.

        And to the extent possible a presumption that the UK will always vote at the Council of Ministers against ANY and ALL proposals from the Commission unless it’s clear intent and guaranteed outcome is to return powers from the centre to the Member States.

  17. Peter
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Cameron was an over-promoted SpAd from a privileged background. He suited a party looking for a leader in a Blairite style.

    The referendum was a device to see off Eurosceptic issues within the Conservative party. It was assumed a good campaign would settle the debate and then it would be business as usual again. When Leave won Cameron had no idea what to do. So he ran away.

    Now he has a book to sell and publishers want him to generate sales by making headlines.

  18. Lifelogic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Sam Gyimah finally joins the Libdims. He should have joined them in the first place but probably thought he would have more chance of a seat by pretending to be a Conservative. He even wanted to lead them a few months back!

    Oxford PPE yet again! Wiki has a list of about 100 Oxford PPE/politicians – only about 10 of them are remotely sound. Is it the types who are drawn to this course (like moths to a flame)? Or is it the course itself (and then group think that sets in) that actually brainwashes them? I suspect it is more the former and the group think.

    Someone who aspires to politics is probably showing they are rather unsuitable for the job (JR, Lilley, Cash, Farage, Baker and a few others excepted). They are the types who aspire to bossing others about, taxing them to death and then pissing their taxes down the drain on nonsense like HS2, counterproductive wars, greencrap subsidies, state monopolies in health care and educaton, £50K loans for largely worthless degrees and similar.

  19. Kevin
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    The lesson from David Cameron’s tenure is that the country was not united
    on this issue. What is remarkable is that those who voted Leave come from
    many different philosophical backgrounds. But under the party system, you
    must shoehorn your philosophy into one or other political ideology or
    you are effectively disenfranchised. We need more referenda, not more “unity”.

    • margaret
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink

      This is true. We are pix celled into little boxes and we have to comply with some of the rubbish these boxes exude. It surely should be a matter for each individual voter as in a referendum. Party politics should come second and third. I don’t see any truly great leaders and David Cameron certainly wasn’t one. He did his job nicely and ineffectually.
      B J and DC have been in strong competition since University I have read in a few different places which I am not going to waste time on researching and referencing.Philosophy is about thinking problems through and not sticking to ideology.It is about entrances and exits but once we are put into these little boxes we need a magician to get out.

    • forthurst
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:33 am | Permalink

      No. The problem is the electoral system which prevents replacements for the obsolete LibLabCon from growing and achieving electoral success. The issue of EU membership is one of the most important issues of the age and not a subsidiary issue like fox-hunting. That being the case the failure of our electoral system to allow explicit representation for those that want to become part of the EU empire and those that believe our destiny is outside the EU demonstrates its abysmal failure. Hence the shenanigans of the last three years.

  20. George Brooks
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    If the EU was not running out of money I think they could view our departure in a very different light and welcome us as a friendly neighbour. Also a wiser man than Cameron would have waited to publish their memoires until after Brexit so it could take it’s place in history, explaining the past.

    Instead he has allowed it to be hijacked by the Remainers and the media who are struggling for viewers and readers. From the quotes so far it would appear that the last few chapters have been written in recent weeks and it has been suggested that some 100,000 words were discarded so the book could be published now and not as planned much later in the year.

    He spent 9 million of tax payers money on a pre-referendum leaflet and no doubt he will make a few bob from this book before it disappears and gathers dust

  21. Anonymous
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    At a critical point in our history DC sticks the knife in our PM. Couldn’t these memoirs have waited ?

    • Anonymous
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:55 am | Permalink

      Mathew Goodwin in the Mail on Sunday gets this spot on.

      • Chris
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

        Yes, Anonymous, Goodwin’s article was very good. David Starkey has also written in the MoS, and that is worth reading too.

    • Fred H
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

      Anon … least with Boris some of the people actually like him.

  22. Lifelogic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Joe Swinson is now perfectly clear that she just wants to completely defy the voters’ will and revoke section 50 (without even bothering to ask them). She clearly thinks the voters are thick and racist and that she knows far better. She was briefly a marketing and public relations manager for Hull-based commercial radio station Viking FM first standing for parliament at age 21 for the profoundly anti-Liberal and anti-Democratic Libdim party.

    Why on earth does she think she know best? Crowds are usually far more sensible than MPs. They are looking after their own interest and are closer to the coal face. MP often just look after the interest of MPs and suffer from Politician Group Think and an almost complete absense or proper scientists, mathematicians, business people and sensible engineers.

    As an example of this wisdom:- all but a handful of MPs supported the hugely damaging and totally insane Climate Change Act. Ask the public and a very large majority would be against it. This despite all the “BBC think” attempted brainwashing over climate alarmism.

    • Iain Moore
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:20 am | Permalink

      The libdems seek to associate themselves with two values in their name, but have managed to go against both, that is some achievement.

    • Anonymous
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

      They can overturn Brexit with far fewer voters than those who voted for Brexit, unfortunately.

  23. Lifelogic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Remainer MPs ‘are secretly planning to revoke Article 50’ reports the Telegraph today.

    Not even that secretly. So if these ‘enemies of the people’ actually succeed can the next government just give notice again and leave before 2 years or are they bound in for another 2 years?

    • steve
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:50 pm | Permalink


      Does anyone seriously think that for example Nigel Farage would keep us in ?

      I think you’ll find that the next election will clear the swamp. We cannot have the country sold down the river because of a minority, they will get their comeuppance and we will be out of the EU. This is why Labour are terrified of a general election, they also know the gaff is blown wide open i.e people are now very astute as to the left’s contempt of democracy and their downright treachery. From Blair onwards they’ve been having us over……it stops now.

      Labour are finished and they know it. Conservatives might, just might, survive by the skin of their teeth depending on Boris, but if he capitulates in any way to the EU his party will go the same way as Labour – dead as a dodo.

      Mr Farage has yet to have his day, and when he does his electors will expect of him every capitulation made by this government to be ripped up.

  24. Andy
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Great title! Unfortunately, like so much of what you post it is untrue.

    Brexit Day is not the last of anything. It is the start. It is the point at which you actually have to deliver. You promised Brexit would make the country better and richer. You actually now have to do it – while making nothing worse.

    This is what Brexiteers promised in 2016.. I doubted you would ever succeed but even I have been awestruck by your level of your collective incompetence.

    When old people who voted leave realise they were betrayed – which they eventually will – they will turn against Brexit in droves. Plenty of others will just die angry. Combined with the overwhelming Remain majority among young people this will soon see us rejoin the EU.

    Brexit Day is the start of something great. Our chemotherapy treatment against the Brexiteer cancer. The treatment will hurt. There will be horrible side effects but we will beat it – for the sake of our children.

    • Richard1
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

      That depends how things go. If, as you expect, Brexit is a failure and the UK underperforms, while at the same time an ever-integrating eurozone starts, against all present evidence, to perform well, then of course the UK population will want to re-join. And we would have to join as fully integrated members, euro included. If on the other hand, a dynamic free- trading UK outperforms an ever sclerotic eurozone, Then the opposite will be the case.

      In both Switzerland and Norway the referenda on EEA and EU membership were fairly close, with the business communities united in supporting the EU option. Today in both countries there is minimal support for joining the EU, despite the sub-optimal arrangements both countries have. If the UK chooses the right policies post brexit – a big If – it will be the same here.

      • Sharon Jagger
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

        Richard 1

        And Switzerland are getting fed up with constantly being drawn into following more and more EU rules, such that they are considering a Spring referendum as to whether to severe all ties with the EU!

        • Richard1
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

          Interesting i hadn’t heard that

    • A.Sedgwick
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

      Compo would have got us out.

    • agricola
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

      Isn’t ageism a crime in this crazy PC society you in Westminster have created.

    • NickC
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

      Andy, Well, get your fellow Remain fanatics to back down from overturning our vote to Leave, and give us the next 48 years, then come back and see if the UK is better, or not. The people who are betraying “Brexiteers” are Remains.

    • Anonymous
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

      Old people.

      Have you seen a LibDem conference ?

  25. ChrisS
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    It is beginning to look like the Remainers might actually be able to halt Brexit.

    The latest trick appears to be to try and put off an election until after a second referendum. Presumably this is because the Remainers don’t think they can win a general election but might have better luck with a second referendum. Very democratic, that !

    It would appear that with the help of Bercow’s “creativity” they might just have the numbers in Parliament to organise a referendum. It is therefore important that Boris secures a deal at the EU summit that he can put to Parliament. But could he get it through Parliament ?

    If Swinson swings the LibDems behind revoking A50 at their conference, they will surely vote against any deal. Labour could allow a free vote which might have the same effect.
    Add Leavers in the ERG and it seems unlikely that a Boris version of May’s deal without the backstop will not get through Parliament.

    We might have to start preparing to win a second referendum. It will be far more divisive than the first one, even though we now have far more anti-EU ammunition than last time.

    • steve
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:04 am | Permalink

      Chris S

      You may be right, but consider that a second referendum is likely to be rigged by the EU’s quislings. They pulled the same stunt in Ireland, so there’s no reason to naively believe they won’t do the same thing here.

      Besides the EU has it’s filth in our establishment just as in all member states. I have a feeling this will not be resolved by a corrupted Parliament. Remain have successfully taken brexit to a sectarian level as was their intention, so logically it will be sorted out on the streets.

      In fact I dare say it’s started, in the last month I’ve seen two serious punch ups over brexit……one at a petrol station the other at my local pub.

      • NickC
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

        Steve, Yes the Remain MPs will rig the second referendum.

      • ChrisS
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

        Steve and Nick, yes, the Remainers will certainly try to rig a second referendum. If they succeed in getting one, the question is bound to be Boris’ (ie May’s revised) deal or remain.

        Our host and his ERG compatriots will then have to decide which way to campaign. If, as I suspect, they will choose Leaving under the Boris deal, despite its obvious flaws, they might as well vote for it when he brings it to Parliament in October in the hope that it passes and a second referendum is avoided.

        How about it Sir John ?

  26. Ian Wragg
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:31 am | Permalink

    Then don’t let Boris foist Mays deal on us as a re negotiated deal. Brexit will happen, the people will ensure that it does.

  27. Shirley
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Cameron has lost all credibility by calling for a second referendum. He has also failed to place blame where it lies, with the undemocratic MP’s in Parliament, preferring instead to blame Boris and co. for not immediately sorting out the mess that Cameron and May left behind.

    Boris is trying, but the rogue Parliament prefer to destroy democracy and hand us over to the EU, lock stock and barrel.

  28. JoolsB
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Let’s be honest John, the only reason Cameron through gritted teeth gave us a referendum was because the Tory party had UKIP nipping at their heels if they didn’t. And of course after spending £9 billion of taxpayers money trying to convince us, when it didn’t go his way, like a petulant child throwing their toys out of the pram, he resigned the next day. Cameron does not deserve any praise or credit for the referendum which he would not have allowed if he ever thought there was a chance of leave winning. He is now like every other remoaner who will not accept the democratic will of the people and wants to overturn it by offering another referendum.

    Yet another wishy washy Lib Dem masquerading as a Conservative who should never have been in the party anyway and should certainly never have been leader. One of the good things about Brexit, and there are many, is it is flushing them all out. Maybe one day, we will once again have a party that is truly Conservative to vote for.

  29. Pete S
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    After hearing about parts of his book, Plus comments from other politicians about him. Put together, Cameron comes across as clueless vacuum. The next question is why was he selected by the tories as a PM. Then to go on and select May.

    • Fred H
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

      Pete ….clueless? -not sure he is that clever.

  30. Lifelogic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Labour’s war on private schools is an assault on the parental right to choose – James Tooley in the Telegraph today. It certainly is (and it’s a Gove policy too it seems what a socialist dope).

    A VAT attack on it would clearly raise a net negative sum as so many would then have to go to state schools or would just leave the country. Many would lose incentives to earn more why bother if you cannot spend it as you wish to. Sound and profitable businesses would have to close and the quality of education would decline hugely. It would become rather like the dire NHS (take it or leave it mate we have your money already) state monopoly.

    Education vouchers please and make all schools private, varied and competitive.

    • JoolsB
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:36 am | Permalink

      Of course as with most things nowadays, education is devolved, so Corbyn can only wreak his havoc on England’s private schools. That will enable the good old socialists, hypocrites that they are, to carry on sending their kids to private schools in Scotland or Wales if they wish.

  31. Derek Henry
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:47 am | Permalink


    Just one problem they never thought in a million years we would win. They have tried to rewrite history ever since.

    A very crucial point that I have thought long and hard about for nearly a decade. Is that nobody thought the ECB would guarantee the member nations then Drahgi announced he would do whatever it takes. All of a sudden the rule book was ripped up.

    So here is my prediction for the record. Monetary policy does not work and it is clear they have it upside down and back to front. Japan with 30 years of zero rates say they just need a little more time. The EU 7 years of zero rates say they just need more time. It is nonsense if it worked they would never of bad negative interest rates.

    In fact the real data shows increasing rates causes inflation and cutting rates causes deflation. Via the interest income channels to the private sector. Businesses just pass the increased cost of borrowing on to their consumers via higher prices.

    So if the EU does not introduce investment bonds on a per capita basis they are finished anyways. My prediction is they will be forced to introduce Euro bonds of Junker bonds whatever they want to call them after the next crises or the whole structure will fall down like a pack of cards.

    Because at that point they have no other road to take as they have virtually banned fiscal policy due to their permanent austerity neoliberal fiscal rules. I hope the EU breaks up before that happens. Watch this space.

  32. Alan Joyce
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Redwood,

    Unfortunately, Mr. Cameron has become rather like some other Remainers even going so far as to suggest there may have to be another referendum. Not that he is advocating one, of course! Just saying that we are stuck and there may have to be one.

    Another referendum would solve nothing. It is unlikely to produce a decisive result for either side so ‘nothing will have changed.’ We would still have a minority government, a zombie parliament and a divided country.

    It is a general election that is needed to allow voters the opportunity to decide what it thinks about Labour’s flip-flopping, the Conservative’s large Remainer tendency and the Liberals oh so democratic ‘we want another referendum as long as it produces the right result.’

    Unfortunately, the choice is not a good one but at least there is Mr. Farage and the Brexit party. He has been described as not a fit and proper person although I’m not sure what that makes some of our current mainstream political shysters.

  33. agricola
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    It is a question of whether the government carries out the wishes of the people or whether the people bend to the wishes of government. I would contend that as the electorate become more informed of the issues and options, then government must pay heed to the wishes of the people.

    In David Cameron’s case does he just regret the result of the referendum. His immediate resignation suggests it. The chaos that has ensued is down to the behaviour of MPs, many of whom still think that the expressed wishes of the people can be ignored. The illiberal undemocratic Lib/Dems switching through 180 degrees seeing political gain in remain. Labour going into their own political maze, and those with a vested personal or family interest just going for the option that secures it. David Cameron was not of course helped when the EU scorned his desire to re-set the relationship between the UK and EU in his re-negotiation. A disdainful arrogance that will cost the EU. Prospects are good for us out of the EU, so lets just get on with it then go for a GE so that Parliament can be brought into line with the people and we remove all those elements that would work against the interests of the UK when out of the EU.

  34. Andy
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    El Presidente is now comparing the UK to the Incredible Hulk.

    What – angry and violent? That would seem to sum up where Brexit has got us.

    • steve
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:20 am | Permalink

      What – angry and violent? That would seem to sum up where Brexit has got us.

      …..NO, brexit did not cause that. You and your like caused it with your treachery and whinging.

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:54 pm | Permalink


        The treachery comes from the fanatical Brexiteers who lied to the public and have pushed this country to the abyss. We have already lost all respect and have become the laughing stock of the globe.

        • Chris
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

          Didn’t lie about anything, mh, just read the literature and listened to Cameron, Letwin et al saying exactly what Brexit was and what it entailed if negotiations did not come up with a deal after 2 years. Remainers assumed they would win so many apparently did not even bother to read the government literature and listen to the Ministers and were apparently so laid back that they didn’t bother to research.

          Don’t blame anyone else for not winning. The people gave their answer, but unfortunately many Remainers have not learnt to lose graciously and instead whine and jump and down, threatening this that and the other until they get their own way. They sound like spoilt children, but some have taken it much further and behaved treacherously in order to overturn the Brexit vote. They will not be forgiven.

          • steve
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:28 pm | Permalink


            “They will not be forgiven.”

            Amen to that.

          • margaret howard
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:19 pm | Permalink


            “Remainers have not learnt to lose graciously and instead whine and”

            We are not alone:

            “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

            Nigel Farage

          • NickC
            Posted September 16, 2019 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

            Margaret H, Farage was talking about continuing to campaign for Brexit, not actually cancelling Remain. It is completely dishonest of you to conflate what Farage said and what the Remain Parliament is doing.

        • Andy
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

          I half agree Margaret. Except most of the world has sympathy for us (Remainers) and is laughing at the Brexiteers.

          • steve
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:27 pm | Permalink


            You know Andy, your attitude staggers me.

            I can only assume you were an unfortunate victim of Blair’s state school indoctrination, or someone did something to you, an OAP perhaps ?

            For some reason you appear ignorant of what eventually happens when a minority overrules a majority, particularly concerning matters of sovereignty, national identity, and democracy.

            A majority people can only be denied their will by a minority for so long.

            History repeats – remember that.

        • libertarian
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

          Margaret Howard

          We are the laughing stock around the world. They are laughing at the end of democracy in the “mother of parliaments ” They are laughing at the childish, ignorant scare stories put out by remain, they shake their head in bewilderment at the MP’s and media that are so biased that they are bent double. They laugh at the BMA saying there will be delays in diabetes drugs when the head of the biggest company that imports 80% of them says there won’t . They laugh when the leader of the Melton Mowbray Pork Pie association says Boris is wrong about pie exports then it turns out that in fact Boris is right and he is wrong. The foreign news ran loads of stories about that , they thought it was hilarious . They laugh at the civil servants who say there will be massive blockages at Dover when the Head of the ports of Calais and Dover both say there won’t be . They laugh when people said that the City of London would decamp to Europe , then Goldman Sachs opened their new European HQ … in London . Citigroup confirm that London will be the centre of their European operation. And on and on with example after example

          Remind me again who exactly is being fooled by lies?

    • Anonymous
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

      Reverse of the truth, Andy.

      It took about ten years of patience to get a referendum. Three years after winning it we are still waiting.

      Still no violence.

      All by the ballot box.

      Are you not going to credit us with this ?

      (Many other groups for whom Parliament seems to have more respect resort to violence as the first option.)

  35. Sir Joe Soap
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    David took a gamble, lost, and ran away.
    David made numerous promises and failed to deliver on most of them.
    David deserves no praise.

  36. Roy Grainger
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Cameron professes himself a failure but is quite prepared to profit from that. It is a revolting spectacle to see him lining his own pockets with tittle-tattle. He should donate all his book profits to charity.

    • sm
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:41 am | Permalink

      To be fair to Mr Cameron, the profits ARE going to charity.

      On the other hand, since he got his political forecasts so wrong while PM, he might have retained some personal respect had he remained silent about current issues!

      • Mark
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

        Which charities? Those campaigning on left wing issues while doing little else?

    • bigneil
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:52 am | Permalink

      ” He should donate all his book profits to charity. ” – – Possibly to the one run by his friend? Camilla Bat.

  37. Dave Andrews
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    My complaint of David Cameron on the EU referendum question is that he and the government he led did not create a leave plan. People say today that there is no plan on how we leave the EU, and this goes all the way back to David Cameron. This is also my complaint on the 2nd ref question. Those who advocate it need to explain how a 2nd leave vote would be implemented.

    • Helena
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:41 am | Permalink

      You are right to complain there was no Leave plan, but you are wrong to blame Mr Cameron. He campaigned for Remain, and he had a clear plan – Remain, on his negotiated adjusted terms. No, you need to blame the Leave campaign – they failed to offer any plan for what Leave would mean, with the result, day by day, new problems pop up which they have not the slightest clue how to deal with – Irish border, blockages at Calais, health and safety inspections, loss of priviliged status under the EU’s trade deals with the rest of the world. Leavers campaigned for Leave without ever knowing what Leave entails – they still don ‘t!

      Reply I published a clear and detailed Leave plan with colleagues and experts shortly after the referendum and invited the government to two all day seminars to explain it

      • Garland
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:28 am | Permalink

        Yes, your plan was to tell the EU we are leaving but expect trade to continue completely unchanged, and you expected the EU to agree because they need us SOOO much more than we need them. Those German carmakers, eh! You still believe that? You still learned nothing from the last three years of the UK punching itself in the face while telling the world how great Brexit is?

        • libertarian
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:20 pm | Permalink



          FRANKFURT (Reuters) – German carmakers on Wednesday warned of fatal consequences if Britain left the European Union without a deal, predicting job losses and urging lawmakers to redouble efforts to ensure tariff-free trade can continue.

          Tell me Garland what trade will not happen if we left on WTO terms?

          Would the Europeans all stop buying mobile phones? Would they all stop drinking Scotch Whiskey? Would they never buy another Coldplay album ( Strike that one, its a benefit) Would they refuse to buy the worlds best selling Cancer Scanner Units, etc etc etc

          One day a remainer will wake up and finally realise that its people that buy things, that trade is nothing to do with governments its about buyers and sellers ,customers and producers . All governments do is put taxes in place and some quality regulations . No biggie

      • Edward2
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:31 am | Permalink

        You keep on about just trade Helena.
        For the majority of leave voters it was more about other things.
        Who will blockade Calais?
        Please tell us.

      • NickC
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

        Helena, Cameron was the Prime Minister who instigated the Referendum. He had the duty, and the right, and the power, to plan for Leave. No other had anything like such authority at the time. Cameron is to blame for not planning.

        And complaining that Leaves didn’t know what Leaves entails is just projection: it is Remains who don’t know what Leave entails. There were numerous experts who the government failed to consult after the vote. There are numerous countries around the world in the Anglosphere which would have helped.

        • Original Richard
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

          NickC : “Remains who don’t know what Leave entails.”

          Far more important, and dangerous for the country, is that most remainers do not know what remain entails.

          They are still believing Mr. Clegg’s lie when he debated Mr.Farage in 2014 and said that in the future the EU “would be largely the same as it is now” when we know it is planning further large expansions of members and competences on its way to being an empire as envisioned by Mr. Verhofstadt at the Lib Dem conference this weekend.

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

        Reply to reply:

        Would you care to name these ‘colleagues and experts’ to give us an idea who they were?

        • Chris
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

          You apparently didn’t pay attention during the referendum campaign, mh, as demonstrated by this request of Sir John, and also your other comment on this thread.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

      Rather than your complaint that David Cameron made no plan for leaving the EU if he lost the vote I would start with the complaint that his referendum Act did not even state that we would leave the EU if he lost the vote. Which glaring omission cost us nine months wasted on slow-motion legal actions, plus the passage of a separate Act which did say what should happen, or to be precise what could happen – “An Act to confer power on the Prime Minister to notify …” – during which nine months those who were determined to overturn the result could get themselves organised. And I am not so naive as to think this defect in the referendum Act was an oversight.

  38. Derek Henry
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Thatcher knew what she was doing when it comes to trade.

    Yet the madness continues in the EU with their obsession to run trade surpluses all because of Germany.

    It is ridiculous to use vast amounts of your skills and real resources stuff that you can run out of to produce stuff that other countries can consume. Then introduce fiscal rules which sole purpose is to dampen down demand for imports. Making sure most households across Europe can’t afford to buy them.

    For what ?

    Just so you hold a surplus of foreign currency at some foreign central bank that you will never use. No wonder both Japan and China are desperate to run trade deficits and leave the trade surpluses to the next fool that comes along which will probably be India.

    Another reason why the EU is in the mess it is in and why remainers will never get their heads around the government accounts when it comes to trade. A trade deficit is a good thing and Thatcher knew it would free up our skills and real resources to concentrate on other things.

    Less time spent in factories and more time on the golf course and spending more time with our friends and families. Let them use their skills and real resources to send us stuff to consume and give us bigger budget deficits so we can afford to buy them.

    In return just give them blips in their BOE account something we can never run out of.

  39. Fred H
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Sir John you report only the ‘good’ parts, as in curate’s egg. However, he only conceded a Ref fearing, with wise advice, that he may well have failed in election. So it was not genuinely wanting The People to have their say. Then once he failed again to get sufficient help from the EU, who themselves didn’t believe the UK would have the balls to walk away, he summarily abandoned his constituency. The actions of a weak, out of touch posh boy who threw his toys out of the pram – because HE COULD. The H of C and the H of L are full of those who are comfortably off, and don’t wish to concern themselves with the fate and damage to The People. Another ‘celeb’ best consigned to the heap of dismal history.

  40. steve
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Love the title !

    Seems to me there is unfair blaming going on against David Cameron. At least he gave us the referendum. Give the man some credit for that at least.

    It is also due to him that we can now see exactly what kind of rot has been having the country over for the last 40 or so years. Were it not for him they would have carried on in their cosy EU gravy train, selling England by the kilogram.

    However his wish to have the country pull together isn’t going to happen, people are polarised on brexit.

    The majority in this country were stabbed in the back by Labour, the Liberals, Plaid, SNP, and it must be said the imitation conservatives. And then there is the Speaker working for the Labour party.

    Anyone who thinks we’ll welcome traitors with open arms is, quite frankly, off his or her rocker. I and many like me wouldn’t cross the road to pee on one if it was on fire.

    It is clear what they think of our country and of us…….so be it!

    • MickN
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:53 am | Permalink

      ” I and many like me wouldn’t cross the road to pee on one if it was on fire.”

      Actually I would …. whether they were on fire or not !

  41. Polly
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    ”He can help it do so by using his book launch to urge all his friends to get behind Brexit and help us make it a success.”

    Nice idea.

    For a certain reason, I don’t think it’s likely to happen.


    • steve
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink


      Well it depends upon the trajectory, velocity, mass, and number of said books.

      I assume Mr Cameron’s book is hard back.

  42. J Bush
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    I heard a rumour on the evening of the referendum election before the votes were counted he was celebrating a remain result. How true this is, I don’t know. What we do know is that he ran away because it appeared he didn’t want to keep his word and enact the will of the people.

    During his tenure as Leader and PM, he filled the candidate places with people of a specific type. Fast forward, how many of these candidates voted in as a conservative MP’s have crossed the floor to the lib dems and other remain parties. Speaks volumes about him. I’m glad I heeded my instinct and never voted for the ‘conservative’ party during this period, because now he is going against everything he said prior to the referendum and is supporting the remain MP’s.

  43. Harka
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    All very well but the people were horribly lied to, the 350 on the side of the bus and leaflets with 80 million turks streaming this way did it. That 2016 referendum result cannot be correct

    • Longinus
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:30 am | Permalink

      The weekly figure of £350m gross per week was considered factually correct by a UK court so please stop perpetuating this lie. The EU army is a reality & Verhofstadt has declared that the EU wishes to become an Empire in his speech at the Lib Dems conference.

      • Pete S
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

        Plus all charges against Leave and Banks; finally dropped.

      • tim
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

        Longinus -thank god for that, so £350 million a week x 52 = £18,200,000,000 each year. yea we get a 1/3 back but they decide where to spend it but I would like to spend it on something we actually need

      • Fred H
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

        Current UK contribution EXCEEDS £350m per week gross. And inflates year on year.

    • Sir Joe Soap
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:51 am | Permalink

      Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on 12 December 1999, at the Helsinki summit of the European Council.
      Speaking in Kazakhstan, British PM Cameron says European Union should stretch from the Atlantic to the Urals.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:53 am | Permalink

      What are you suggesting?

      That even after Turkey had joined the EU, as David Cameron had said he wanted, the Turks would not be allowed freedom of movement within the EU?

      July 27 2010:

      “Cameron: ‘UK strongly supports Turkey EU membership bid'”

      “David Cameron has strongly supported Turkey’s application to join the European Union on a visit to the country.

      Speaking in Ankara, the Prime Minister said that he was “angry” at the lack of progress in the negotiations.

      He said that the UK will do everything it can to help Turkey “pave the road from Ankara to Brussels”.”

      So what was it when he said during the referendum campaign that he would block Turkish accession and it wouldn’t happen for a thousand years?

      May 23 2016:

      “The UK Prime Minister David Cameron has swept away the hopes of millions of Turkish people by suggesting that his government would block Turkey’s entry into the EU.

      In sharp contrast to his previous stand, he mockingly said that Turkey would likely have to wait a thousand years to become part of the European Union. And even if the deal, which lets Turkish citizens travel to EU visa-free goes through, the UK would use its power to veto it, he said.

      “We can stop Turkey from becoming a member,” he said in an interview on iTV’s ‘Peston on Sunday’ show. “Britain and every other country in the European Union has a veto on another country joining. That is a fact.”

      He dismissed the idea that Turkey would join the bloc any time soon, joking that its current progress toward accession meant it would not become a member until the year 3000.

      His comments come ahead of the June 23 referendum that will decide if UK wants to stay in the EU. The issue has divided the British polity.

      His comments have angered the Turkish people.”

      I would advise you not to stand in your Remoaner greenhouse throwing stones; the reality is that if the whole truth had been told by both sides during the referendum then Leave would have won by a much greater margin.

      • tim
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

        Dennis Cooper- how about we just swap, Turkey can have our slot and we can be free, tell em it is a Billion a month.

      • Anonymous
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 6:40 pm | Permalink


        And the side of the bus issue has been to court and dismissed.

    • graham1946
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:02 am | Permalink

      Turkish membership of the EU was backed by one David Cameron. In fact in 2010 he was reported to ‘angry’ that the bloc had frustrated Turkey’s entry. He was still saying the same thing years later. It seemed at the time that they were moving forward to membership, so re-writing of history in the Remoaner way will not do. Had not Erdogan become a virtual dictator and had he not taken the country backwards towards fundamentalism, things would have looked very different.

  44. Iain Moore
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Cameron’s autobiography seems to be a self indulgent whinge, he conveniently forgets about how he loaded the referendum in his favour, the £9 million leaflet, getting Obama to threaten us, and the grotesque project fear, and complains about Boris, Gove and Vote Leave because they had a better argument and more passion than his lot could muster. Most damming of all he trails the idea of a Losers Referendum….now what did he promise us in the leaflet? Cameron has been silent for the last three years, it is unfortunate he thought we were now interested in what he had to say, we are not, best he go back to his Shepherds shed.

  45. Denis Cooper
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    I gave you my frank, some might say brutal, opinion of David Cameron yesterday, JR; as you declined to publish it then there is probably no point in my repeating it today. I will just add that I don’t think Eton has been offering good value to parents who want their sons to grow up to be decent honest upright citizens rather than upper class shysters.

  46. Lifelogic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    John McDonnall from the Times today:- Why capitalism is on borrowed time.

    Instead of capitalism, he wants “a system where you reduce the level of exploitation, you establish a fair distribution of rewards and then you start developing other forms of ownership,” he says. “Eventually, I think you will get to a situation where goods will be held in common, so workers will own their own companies, [and businesses] will be democratically managed. That will evolve over time. What we will do is move it to the next step.”

    As Churchill put it: “Some regard private enterprise as if it were a predatory tiger to be shot. Others look upon it as a cow that they can milk. Only a handful see it for what it really is–the strong horse that pulls the whole cart.”

    McDonnall on the other hand wants to murder this strong horse that pulls the whole cart!
    It is hugely dangerous lunacy from this deluded dope. Let us hope it is he and Corbyn who (thanks to Boris, Cummins & Farage and the circa 100 sound Conservatives) who are now borrowed time.

  47. Richard1
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    I salute David Cameron. He led an excellent govt, despite being in coalition with the Libdems for 5 years. He rescued the Country from near bankruptcy under Labour, getting the budget deficit down from over 10% to c 1% of GDP today. What he got wrong was the same thing as Mrs May – going into a negotiation with the EU, asking for very little, and clearly signalling that he would never walk away and would accept whatever was on offer.

    • Derek Henry
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:15 am | Permalink

      Let’s rewrite that comment using the government accounts shall we.

      Cameron reduced the non government sectors surplus from 10% to 1% of GDP. The non government sectors being households, businesses and foreigners who save in £’s.

      Which has pushed more households and businesses into more debt and destroyed the high street.

    • Derek Henry
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:25 am | Permalink

      I really do not know why you never look at the real data Richard it is called UK sectoral balances.

      All 3 sectors balance to zero

      1) government sector

      2) non government sector ( private sector)

      3) rest of the world

      It is very clear when you run a trade deficit. The government budget deficit = the non government sector surplus to the penny.

      May I suggest you learn the actual government accounts. You could start by putting Jan Hatzius into Google Goldman Sachs top economist the most important chart in the world.

      The hopefully you will get it.

      • Edward2
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:36 am | Permalink

        You have a strange economic theory there Derek.
        Based on you noticing things balance as in accountancy.
        So there is a finite amount of money in the world no therefore new wealth can be created only one sector gets poorer if one sector gets richer.
        Hilarious stuff.

        • acorn
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

          Edward2, I have established a while back that you know nothing about fiat currency macroeconomics. You are not alone on this site by any measure.

          Please have a look at the Sectoral Balances, as mentioned above, (Part 3).

          On the Chart, everything below the zero line is a sector running a deficit. Everything above the zero line is a sector running a surplus. The two always net to zero.

          You will see that the Rest of the World is running a surplus, paid for by those below the zero line running deficits.

          The “General Government” sector is the only sector that is unconstrained in how large a deficit it can run. It is the currency issuer; it will never run out of its own currency to issue.

          The UK is not “borrowing” from the Rest of the World; it is actually exporting Pounds Sterling to foreigners to pay for the imports from the Rest of the World. The latter has to find something to buy with these “foreign currency reserves” that is denominated for sale in Pounds Sterling and pays an income. It could be a Chelsea mansion; a car factory or government savings certificates called “risk-free” Gilt Edged Securities.

          Imagine if we had a government that actually understood how a fiat currency economy can actually be deployed for maximum socio-economic benefit.

          • Edward2
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

            Thanks acorn
            I just don’t believe in the magic money tree theory.
            It is a simple as that.
            Endlessly print and borrow and tax and waste big state socialism as a method of enrichment.
            Tell your wierd pet theories to the starving people of Cuba, Zimabwe and Venezuela to name just three.

        • Derek Henry
          Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

          Not strange.

          Fact ask Jan Hatzius he knows what he is talking sbout.

          The government budget deficit is the private sector surplus end of story. The national debt is that surplus moved into gilts.

          The ONS even publish the UK sectoral balances that is how important it is.

          • Edward2
            Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

            Oh the famous Jan.
            If you believe one economist over all others then it is as you say “end of story”
            Best to read wider as there are many economists and many eccentric theories.
            In my opinion you conflate items that balance with items that have correlation and effect on one another.

      • libertarian
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

        Derek Henry

        We do not have a zero sum economy , thats one of the things that MMT relies on . The only thing Jan Hatzius said about this was and I quote from his report

        Without endorsing MMT in its entirety, “we think its proponents make a couple of points that are both correct and important,” Hatzius wrote. One of them, he said, is that countries like the U.S. and Japan can’t go broke because they print their own money.

        It has nothing to do with accountancy balances

    • bigneil
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:59 am | Permalink

      I remember one of the EU bosses saying about DC – -“He can ask for whatever he wants – – tomorrow we would just change it back again “. That showed the contempt the EU has for britain – They want our money and us destroyed – full stop.

    • Dominic
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:10 am | Permalink

      The private sector saved this country from near bankruptcy not Cameron.

    • graham1946
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

      Cameron managed to double the national debt and spent more in 6 years than Labour did in the previous 13 years under his austerity regime. Some great achievement. Even now the books don’t balance despite him and Osborne saying they would be in surplus by 2015.

      • Richard1
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

        It’s always surprising to read posts like this. Labour took the budget from balance to a deficit of 10% of GDP. The govt which takes over this mess can’t wave a magic wand and reduce the deficit to 0, it takes time. Each year there’s a deficit the stock of net debt increases.

  48. Fedupsoutherner
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Sorry John. I’ve no time for that ********** ( I could go on) Cameron guy. He let his country down big time and then handed the reins to an even bigger useless minister by the name of May. They have all betrayed their country and I hope Boris doesn’t do the same.

  49. Paul Cohen
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    David Camerons main asset was that he looked Prime Ministerial material, prior to his hasty and inconsidered resignation he was in a good position to head up our withdrawing from the EU – even if all negotiations failed he had the two year time limit to fall back on.
    The EU main contention is/was that no nation could be seen to negotiating a better arrangement than by staying in.

    After his departure things went downhill fast, Conservative HQ put a totally
    inadequate Mrs May in charge who then frittered away three years of useless bartering, leaving Boris a poisoned chalice to try to somehow revive matters except by some implementation of radical actions.

    There needs to be a clear out of an entrenched HOC together with it’s accompanying baggage who have been a digrace.

  50. Yorkie
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    “I write to praise David Cameron”
    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
    Mr Cameron may be, is over-drudged . “In or out of the EU, we’ll still be okay.” he said, parting.

  51. The Prangwizard
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    I dare say this insipid piece has been written in this vein to avoid charges of hypocrisy if it has been in any way critical. Person and party first – natch.

  52. Gareth Warren
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I too am thankful for Mr Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum, what is often missed is the default option of “no change” was remain. Despite this and politicians and media support remain we got a clear vote to leave.

    He should have accepted the vote and delivered on it, but it was better to resign and not act democratically, something that will be the epitath for many MPs.

    Today even the rule of law is not above manipulation, I do not want a country where you can be arrested for whatever thought offends those in power. n. Here I suspect those calling for such in their quest to remain in the EU will have a reckoning at the hands of the electorate.

  53. Sydney Ashurst
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Article 50 is a one page document written in clear unambiguous English. What it does not say has been abused.
    It did not give any rights to the withdrawing Member State, made clear in paragraph 4 – the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or in decisions concerning it.
    The Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, meaning it will write it.
    An extension has to be requested in ‘this period’ that ended on 29th March 2019. So a request to be granted had to be made before 29th March. It follows that a request for a further extension cannot be made ‘in this period’, it would be made outside of the period.
    The duration and purpose of the extension was not stated. In granting the extension the EU Council stipulated the extra time was solely to permit ratifying the withdrawal agreement.
    Parliament has until 31st October to ratify the WA under the terms of the extension. If it cannot do so (it has had ample time) there is no point in European Union (Withdrawal) (N0.6) Bill. It has other ulterior motives to postpone Article 50.

    • julie williams
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:52 am | Permalink

      QC Stanley Brodie made a similar point about Article 50 (3); it is meant to allow the loose ends of an agreement to be tied up, it was never intended to stop a country leaving nor allow several bites of the cherry aka the Withdrawal Agreement.
      Still, do as I say and not as I do, seems to be the name of the game.

      • Mark
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

        The purpose of the clause is not stated. It is wrong to infer one purpose over another. It can be read as offering an opportunity to remain in perpetuity if all parties agree, since there is no timescale for any extension. Since the agreement of all parties is otherwise required, it allows the withdrawing state to make use of the guillotine on membership included in the clause. It is completely silent on the negotiating process and makes no link to it.

        In the same way, 50(2) says nothing at all about the timescale for negotiations – it simply requires the EU to negotiate to reach an agreement and establishes the EU internal procedures to be used in negotiation and for ratifying it within the EU. That obligation is not extinguished by leaving the EU under the guillotine, because it continues to apply to the remaining treaty parties.

    • graham1946
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      It did give a right to the withdrawing member in that it stated the the EU had to negotiate the WA taking account of the framework to the future relations between the leaving state and the EU. The EU refused to discuss future relations until the WA was ratified, thereby breaking their own treaty. I don’t see why we should be bound by any of it.

  54. cosmic
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Very diplomatically put Sir John.

    In my view it would have far better had David chosen to languish in well-earned obscurity, rather than pop up at this delicate time to promote his book.

  55. BillM
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Cameron was another bright spark in the Tory leadership who fizzled out too quickly for our comfort. He too made a mess of his 2010 manifesto and subsequently whittled away a substantial lead over the incumbent PM Brown. He had to do a deal with those diabolical flip-floppers, the ones with an oxymoron for a Party title, the Liberal Democrats, just to ensure his Premiership.
    I concluded soon afterwards that he was another Ted Heath, more a Liberal than a Conservative and sadly, much later, Mrs May, obediently followed suit.
    I also concluded that he was more old school boy than good politician and he displayed a scary naivety when dealing with Brussels.
    In the Royal Navy, he will never be forgiven for electing to scrap the whole of newly-refurbished (at a cost of £600 M but sold to the USA for £112M) Harrier squadrons , a world-beating jump-jet in preference to the RAF, against top Military advice leaving the Navy without a Fixed Wing, Carrier-borne Aircraft. Aircraft Carriers with no Aircraft! How and why would he have allowed this?
    What Conservative Leader leaves Britain without a complete Navy and at once deliberately downgrades our National defence capabilities? No ‘proper’ Conservative would do such a thing BUT there again……..

  56. mancunius
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Let’s not forget that Cameron had already – once he was elected Tory leader – promised a referendum on our membership of the EU if he won the 2010 election, but then a few months before the election, when the polls showed that the country was sick of Gordon Brown and might be prepared to elect the Tories, he reneged on the promise.
    The result was that in 2010 he did not even manage to win a Tory majority against Brown, an open goal if ever there was one. So he went into partnership with the LibDems, and ignored the real conservatives in his party.
    The world is full of toffs who can afford a little pretend socialism. Cameron with his inherited offshore funds and perpetual sense of personal entitlement and woke politics whose price he need never pay, is just one more.

  57. Fred H
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully Wokingham (& Witney) Library do not order any copies.

  58. Sea Warrior
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Sage words, Sir John. Cameron, unfortunately, seems to be wanting to diminish himself as much as possible. The only bit of his memoirs I would like to read would be a section describing the changing mood of the Cameron team as they watched the referendum results come in. I gather that their private team had led them to expect a comfortable win.

  59. ian
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    The fact of the matter is the EU wants to be the new empire of the world and cannot do it without the UK who is allied to the USA, in my opinion, the UK should stand alone and not take sides, you have heard about the plan for a one-world government well this what remains establishment is fighting for the EU new empire, to control the world as posed to the USA that is where they are going, they need the UK money, armed forces and financial centre to do it or to be in with chance of doing it in 10 to 20 years time.

    • Iain Moore
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

      As confirmed by Verhofstadt at the Libdem party conference , who made it very clear that an EU empire was their objective, and the claim was cheered to the rafters by the Libdems. So yet another point made by EUsceptics , dismissed as a lie by EUphiles, has been proven correct.

  60. margaret howard
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Mail on Sunday:

    “Devout Brexit-ultra John Redwood suffers for his cause. I hear the Wokingham MP politely turned down French Evian water at a Westminster dinner recently, asking the waiter if there was any British mineral water instead.”

    Says it all!

    • The Prangwizard
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

      I expect and hope he asked for English water.

      Clearly you wouldn’t despising as you do all things English.

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

        The Prangwizard

        “I expect and hope he asked for English water.”

        Not if he lived in my neck of the woods. The stuff that comes out of our taps has more chemicals in it than a lab. I have to buy my drinking water.

    • rose
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

      Mrs T used to do that and made a lot more fuss about it – so everyone could hear and resolve not to drink Perrier when they could be drinking Malvern.

    • graham1946
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

      Should have been served tap water anyway, as they are always on about global warming and cutting down plastic waste etc.

      Anyway why French? When I waited table at dinners in Westminster and the Stock Exchange Council years ago it was always English water in glass bottles.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

      Margaret, just what is wrong with supporting your own country? You are very strange. Well done john. I even had the audacity to buy British apples the other day! Don’t tell Margaret!

    • Edward2
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

      Does it really?
      Are you saying a preference for locally produced water and other products is a bad thing?
      From a green perspective and saving the planet I would expect you to aplaud it margaret.

    • tim
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

      Margaret – I agree, john you should drink tap water like the peasant s…b who support you! global warming, global warming, global warming

      Repky I usually do and I think I asked for English water which clearly includes tap!

    • Anonymous
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

      “Brexit-ultra” is what says it all, actually.

      There was either Leave or there was Remain.

      Your side have lied and lied about this since you lost the referendum, Margaret. You have manipulated the language and you have pulled every trick in the book to stop Brexit happening.

      OK. Got the message. We’re too thick to vote.

      You’re about to experience what it’s like when instinctively Conservative voters drop out of elections and leave it to students to select governments.

  61. ian
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    The juridical system in England, that is judges and lawyers do very very well out of the EU in money terms drafting all their laws and making EU laws for them, is it no wonder that the juridical is fighting so hard inside parliament and outside parliament to stay in the EU.

  62. ferdinand
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    if only there were more in Parliament with such sensible balanced opinions.

  63. Gareth Warren
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    On a different note I see China is threatening us again “with a military response” if we join up with the US for military manoeuvres in the south China sea.

    Here I see little value in the extremely nationalistic Chinese market, we would do well to join in with US tariffs and look to Japan and Korea for free trade partners. When we are rid of the EU we are free to act.

    • margaret howard
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 3:28 pm | Permalink


      ” When we are rid of the EU we are free to act.”

      To follow the US into yet more illegal wars like Iraq etc? Welcome as the 51st US state.

      The EU didn’t demand that of us.

      • Edward2
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

        Silly comparison Margaret.
        The EU in increasing areas has legal supremacy.
        If we decide to partner America in trade or foreign policy issues that will be the democratic decision of the UK.
        If in the future the EU decides to go to war with, say Iraq, we will have to agree.
        Common agreed treaty based foreign policy is an agreed ambition of the EU.
        Not today, but soon.

      • Martyn G
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

        No, but is calling for an EU Navy (which already exists), Army and Air Force and Cameron, some time back made what is to me a chilling statement that his hope was to see the EU expand so that it covered from the Urals to the Atlantic Ocean. Much like Germany did in WW1 and WW2 and we all know what that led to…..

        • margaret howard
          Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:24 pm | Permalink


          “Much like Germany did in WW1 and WW2 and we all know what that led to…..”

          Or like the British empire that was even more ambitious invading a quarter of the globe?

          Both comparisons are equally absurd.

      • Alison
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

        Oh, dear. It was the champion of the EU, Mr Tony Blair, who seems to think he has all sorts of negotiating rights just now, whose regime took us into the Iraq war.

      • Anonymous
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

        Remainer Blair took us into Iraq.

        The US didn’t *demand* it of us. Blair did it for self aggrandisement.

      • cornishstu
        Posted September 15, 2019 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

        Really Margaret! Out of the EU we will be sovereign and able to do as we see fit the US cannot say you will do X,Y,Z , or any other nation for that matter. If we remain in the EU we will be required to do the EU’s bidding whether we like it or not as the military / defence becomes an EU competence.

      • Gareth Warren
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 8:15 am | Permalink

        Today, as part of the EU we fuel an authoritarian Chinese state through trade. As a member of the EU we had no problem invading Iraq and other countries. Those are the facts learned from the past 40 years.

        If we leave the EU we can choose to not fuel authoritarian regimes by preferring trade with free ones.

        By the way – going to war without pushing them over actually helps an authoritarian regime.

      • Fred H
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

        MH……gosh I agree with you!
        Blur had an ultimatum – you are either with us, or against us!
        It wasn’t the EU ‘threatening that’ – how many guesses do we need?
        Blur joined the guy on their knees to pray for divine guidance, prior to unleasing shock and awe – a term for mass destruction of largely innocent civilians caught up in Middle East posturing. The biggest lies are just breathtaking!

    • tim
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

      Stop attacking Russia, and look at the monstrous leviathan steadily getting its tentacles around the world, we need to be friends with Russia!

    • Oggy
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

      I’m sure all our EU ‘friends’ including France and Germany would come to our rescue !

    • Mitchel
      Posted September 16, 2019 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

      Why are faraway powers conducting military manoeuvres in the South China Sea?China has not threatened to block transit for commercial shipping.There’s a bit of a clue in the name ,South China Sea,to inform you as to whose area of interest it is.

  64. David Maples
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    •The EU economy cannot survive long term without fiscal union.

    •This implies federalism, with a central government in ultimate control.

    •The UK will no longer be a sovereign, independent nation, able to tax and spend, and determine it’s military defences.

    •Without pan european political parties, there will be no way of controlling the EU government(in the EU Parliament), because Brussels will divide and rule.

    •European countries will likely be powerless regions, with the exception of Germany
    and France….but mostly Germany!

    •The UK’s biggest asset-the City of London financial hub-will be swallowed up, broken up, offered up.

    •GDP will fall.

    •Unemployment will rise.

    •Average real incomes will fall.

    •Criminal behaviour will worsen.

    •Tax takes will increase

    •Drug and alcohol habits will exacerbate.

    •Homelessness will abound.

    But the sun will still shine!

    • Alison
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

      And people will be able to go on holiday abroad without having to queue. That’s all that’s important. (ALthough they won’t have much money to go on holiday)

  65. margaret howard
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:19 pm | Permalink


    “Out of the EU we can spend our own money, make our own laws and be truly global in our outlook and reach. The sooner we do so the better”

    What are you going to do when leave voters finally realise that we could do all these things as EU members and that they had been lied to?

    • L Jones
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

      Trade deals, Ms Howard? The US, Australia, etc, are waiting to sign some – so why can’t we just go ahead and do so?
      What about the money we send to the EU? Tell us – how much of that do you think we get back?

      Leave voters lied to? We do our own research. We can recognise lies, unlike remains, it seems. We’re not in thrall to Project Fear. We don’t only read Facebook and swallow every little Yellowhammer titbit that is fed to us. We believe in our country’s ability to soar when it’s unshackled from your EU. Why can’t YOU show a little more loyalty to it?

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

        L Jones

        Well, seeing that nearly 50% of our trade is with our EU partners and only about 1.5% with Australia/NZealand, how are we going to make up the difference?

        • libertarian
          Posted September 16, 2019 at 4:11 pm | Permalink


          What makes you think we will stop trading with European countries?

          As well as Australia and NZ what about the 44 countries we have signed interim agreements with already?

          • libertarian
            Posted September 16, 2019 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

            By the way Maggs your view that we are a laughing stock , do you think Aldi are laughing at us ? They’ve announced a £1 billion investment in opening another 100 UK stores over next two years.

          • margaret howard
            Posted September 16, 2019 at 11:24 pm | Permalink


            “do you think Aldi are laughing at us ? They’ve announced a £1 billion investment in opening another 100 UK stores over next two years”

            Both Aldi and Lidl have become a huge success because they saw that our supermarkets were profiteering and not offering the public a fair deal.

            That’s why Aldi is now preparing for a huge increase in trade after Brexit because cheap food etc will be the only things we will be able to afford. No doubt Lidl will make a similar announcement soon.

          • Fred H
            Posted September 17, 2019 at 7:01 am | Permalink

            MH – – well at least you are certain we will continue to have cheap food, I thought Remoaners believed we would starve.

        • Edward2
          Posted September 16, 2019 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

          I see you are still peddling the nonsense that trade between the EU and UK will stop when we leave the EU

      • K Jig
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

        Well said!

      • Alouette
        Posted September 19, 2019 at 7:21 am | Permalink

        As we become increasingly aware of the climate change crisis, it doesn’t seem appropriate to transport goods from further afield if we can source them within the EU.

        Reply Better to source them from home

    • Martyn G
      Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

      Whilst in the EU we have no say in which new laws/directives are imposed on us by the EU and cannot make our own laws where they run counter to the EU. I suppose in the light of that only 10% of our trading is with the EU we are already global but, because of the trading tariffs and constraints imposed by the EU, cannot fully develop our trade outside of the EU – not least to the benefit of developing nations seeking to trade hampered by EU embargos and tariffs. Finally, if anyone has been lied to, it has been by the remainers and those gullible enough to believe what they are told.

    • Shirley
      Posted September 16, 2019 at 6:57 am | Permalink

      Dear Margaret. You obviously have not read the EU Treaties, as I have! Start with the Five Presidents Report, which is claimed to be the forerunner of the next Treaty.

      Once you have done that, you will realise that your comments are quite a distance from the truth.

      • margaret howard
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 3:12 pm | Permalink


        Which ones?

  66. Remington Norman
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    I see it differently. David Cameron made a promise to the British people which he broke, through ineptitude – weak negotiation – and deliberate vacillation – failing to prepare for No Deal/WTO.

    He cut a poor figure both at home and overseas – indecisive, duplicitous and a bad political strategist.

    If further evidence of his Remain credentials are required, look no further than the timing of this book launch; designed to cause maximum embarrassment to senior government figures trying to extricate the UK from the mess left by Cameron and May.

    He will not be remembered kindly.

  67. Denis Cooper
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Good news, as I see it:

    “Lib Dems agree to cancel Brexit without 2nd referendum if they win next election”

    “The Lib Dems had previously supported the revocation of Article 50 – to stop the UK’s departure from the EU – following a second EU referendum.

    But now, when a general election is called, the party will promise a Lib Dem government will halt Brexit without a further public vote on EU membership.”

    Well, their leader Jo Swinson has already said that she would not accept the result of a second referendum if her side lost, so why should she bother holding it?

    Now instead of hiding among the decent patriotic population and contaminating other political parties eurofederalists, a small minority, have an obvious natural home.

    Let’s hope they all gravitate towards it and partake of its electoral doom, in the same way as the Pro Euro Conservatives:

    “In December 2001 the Pro-Euro Conservative Party disbanded … Leader John Stevens called the Conservative Party … “a cancer of extremism and xenophobia”. He was one of approximately 20 supporters who joined the Liberal Democrats and urged the remainder of the party’s claimed 500 members to follow suit.”

    • Shirley
      Posted September 16, 2019 at 7:13 am | Permalink

      I still get annoyed with their name. They are far from being Democrats and should be prosecuted under the Trade Descriptions Act.

  68. bill brown
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Sir JR

    Coming from a small country like Denmark which supports free trade like the UK.

    The global outlook the Danes had both before and during the EU membership, so having been in Britain for 25 years , the global outlook is not going to change whether we are in or out of the EU, what makes this country what it is.

    • BillM
      Posted September 16, 2019 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

      As you say Denmark is small. The UK is the 10th largest exporter in the world. Denmark is 38th, way down the list.
      We are 10th DESPITE being held down by the restrictive practices of the EU protectionist State and we earn more from the USA than from the whole of the EU. Do you not think we shall take advantage of our new freedom to conduct our own business dealings and increase our trade with the much bigger rest of the World out there? If not then you clearly do not not the British. Our country in regard to the EU has actually taken a hit in our growth rates ever since we joined the EU. Sir John has reported the details in a previous posting sometime back.
      I hope he can reproduce it here to demonstrate that Britain really can do much better on its own without the incessant meddling from the incompetent amateurs in Brussels.

      • BillM
        Posted September 16, 2019 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

        A pity there is no edit feature on this blog. Sorry for the double word “not” . The second should have been ‘know’ of course. I’m sure you realised that but just to emhasise, can we have an edit feature here SJ? Or not?

      • bill brown
        Posted September 19, 2019 at 5:52 pm | Permalink


        All countries in Europe have had lower growth rates after joining the Eu in 1972, as the post-war reconstruction and the booming 60s were gone, it has nothing to do the EU, the US had lower growth rates as well

    • libertarian
      Posted September 16, 2019 at 5:33 pm | Permalink


      Not sure what you are trying to say. Yes agree Denmark is a great country and Danes are lovely people have fond memories of working in Copenhagen briefly in the 1980’s .

      However I think you’ll find the global outlook is rapidly changing for ALL of us . Technology, climate , population growth and the rise of India, Brazil and others will all have profound effects

  69. Fred H
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:03 pm | Permalink


    The government is planning changes to the law aimed at bringing in longer sentences for some of England and Wales’ worst criminal offenders. The Sunday Telegraph says the measures could affect the sentencing of murderers of pre-school age children. The government also wants violent and sexual offenders to serve at least two thirds of their terms, the paper said. The prime minister plans to use next month’s Queen’s Speech to introduce the changes, according to the Telegraph.

    Someone read my recent post!

  70. L Jones
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Many years from now, people will be able to view this situation and clearly identify who were the EU stooges, useful idiots and fifth columnists and who was pulling their strings. Was Cameron one? Was he part of the EU’s Grand Plan?
    Let’s hope that when it becomes clear, people won’t have to fear discussing it – as they would if we were to remain wrapped in the EU’s poisonous tentacles.

  71. Treacle
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Hmm… We all know that David Cameron is a fanatical Remainer, and that to his dying day he will be weeping tears of bitterness that the UK regained her independence as a result of his actions. Moreover, if he had stayed on as an MP, he would by now have been expelled from the party and perhaps gone over to Lib Dems.

  72. whatever
    Posted September 15, 2019 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    tomorrow it’ll be the wire- ‘down to the wire’- the incredible hulk will come of age- then we’ll see who’s going to blink- and as DD was wont to say the EU always settles at the last moment so then according to IDS prediction we’ll get that new trade deal with them as equal partners- believe that and you’ll believe in the man in the moon.

  73. Simon Coleman
    Posted September 16, 2019 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    You’re proud of how people voted in a virtually fact-free referendum. …summer whine – not bad, but as for the Tories now…it’s Ever Decreasing Circles.

  74. Fred H
    Posted September 16, 2019 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Sir John…..You declined to include my factual report that Wokingham Borough Libraries only ordered 1 copy – and only has 2 reserves to borrow it. It doesn’t fall to you to defend whether there is interest in reading Dave’s book. I’m surprised at you.

  75. ukretired123
    Posted September 16, 2019 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Thin Gruel Dave proved the EU is unreformable, beyond reason and why we have to leave despite all the talk.
    His barbs at colleagues proves he is a bitter man and it is regrettable he doesn’t see the positive advantage he offered by the referendum.
    Like Blair he believed in Choices as long as you backed his idea of choices.
    When Sarkozy stonewalled his paltry requests I believe many UK citizens didn’t like that disrespect given to our UK Prime Minister and started the ball rolling away from the cosy EU club. Actions speak louder than words! JRM saw this like no other MP with his immortal words TG!

  76. DanielJames
    Posted September 16, 2019 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Sorry Mr Redwood, although I agree with some parts of your article regarding calling the referendum, David Cameron has largely come across as a petulant and spoiled child who did not get picked for the team and now blames everyone else except himself. He has shown very bad form by breaking convention to criticise his successors in a very public manner which directly attacks what they are trying to achieve and which is the very thing he promised to do.
    To me this has tarred what many people see as a reasonably successful premiership. He still does not see or accept either the decision or the reasons behind it.

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