I do not have original ideas or proposed different policies to enforce the law. I rarely write about it for that reason.
Today it cannot be ignored. As part of my series on growth the first priority is clearly to enforce the law.
Rioting and looting destroy commerce and harm the  lives of the many. Who will invest in a business that might be torched, or toil in a shop where looters help themselves?
A lax approach to shoplifting can lead to the outrage of people helping themselves on an industrial scale. It is worse when people are assaulted or made to live in fear.
The so called protests that have seen violence against the police and property and the so called counter protests of gangs who want to fight the others both need stopping, with even handed action by the authorities.
The government also needs to update us on how it is getting on enforcing the law against illegal people trafficking. Controlling our borders is a demand of many people. The government promised better control from more resources. Has it appointed another Commander? Has it got further collaboration from the French authorities? How will its improved Border intelligence and management work given all the resource and effort the last government put into it?
Law enforcement has to treat profiting from illegal migration as a serious crime as well as looting a shop or breaking windows of a hotel.
August 6, 2024
Good morning.
This is very true. And one might also add corruption by those in a position of authority to that list.
We must also expect that justice and policing to be neutral. No special favours for anyone. The law must be blind. Unfortunately the law in the past, and I am not talking of the recent past, has been broken with both the police and politicians taking sides and, in one infamous picture, two politicians taking the knee. Now we hear from one of those two talk of the ‘Far Right’ and legislation to tackle it. ‘Far Right’ being Establishment code for anything we do not like.
I also believe that incitement to be a crime and, a certain political movement seems to be spreading false rumours offering little hope but plenty of hate. All to promote is drive to authoritarianism and do the Far Lefts dirty work and act as a government stooge calling for tougher legislation.
We have seen certain groups dress in political garb and masked marching on Britain’s streets in full view of the police. This is an offence under the Public Order Act – no action taken.
In all my life I never thought I would see the day of Northern Ireland type secularism in England. Two tier policing etc.
August 6, 2024
‘One of those two’ has achieved the seemingly impossible and united Catholic and Protestant in N I who want to protect their children!
August 6, 2024
First Brown calls Gillian Duffy a bigot for raising immigration as an issue, then we had Lady Nigel make her remarks against white van man now we have the true feeling of Two Teir Keir about white right wing thugs, Asian ones are fine. Labour want to to rid us of our nation state, culture and way of life.
August 6, 2024
Emily Thornbury.
August 6, 2024
He hasn’t just united Unionists and Sinners, but Southerners have joined them fraternally from Dublin, all three marching convivially abreast in Belfast with their own flags.
August 6, 2024
Starmer cannot pack up work for the weekend at 6pm, or go off on holiday for a fortnight when there is all this trouble across the country.
He can talk tough but I do not believe he has the resources to police all this. Plod is a lot softer these days. Rowley is a bit of a wimp. You would no more want him dealing with High Street violence than you would Cressida. I doubt either of them saw much action as a constable on the beat.
Twenty four hour courts will make difference whatsoever. There is no prison space as it is.
So watch this space. Developments over the next few weeks will be important.
Politicians will have to address issues that have been avoided for decades. Opposition to Labour policy does not make people far right. The label now has little effect in shutting down discussion.
I must say I never imagined that political violence would happen so quickly with the new government though I did predict it eventually.
August 6, 2024
Recent Metropolitan Police Commissioners lack the bearing and authority of leaders like Paul Condon.
Cressida Dick seemed a strange figure, wearing her hat in a way that bent her ears down in a Benny Hill style and doing little that many regarded as effective.
Mark Rowley might be better, but apparently only in comparison with his predecessor so far, and slow in progress.
A good operator would make a substantive improvement to the quality of London and beyond.
August 6, 2024
And we got rid of the water cannons as scrap metal, after paying mega-bucks for them.
August 6, 2024
Boris went over to Germany to get them whereupon Mrs May banned them and Khan eventually sold them at a huge loss – for scrap as you say. The two latter must have put spite above the national interest.
August 6, 2024
Labour will now instigate Operation Scatter to disperse French illegal criminals across the country now Bibby barges closed down. That means putting these criminals ahead of local peopleâs housing needs. What could go wrong!!!
Could the barges be used for low level criminals instead of letting them totally out of prison?
August 6, 2024
Indeed.
âFar Rightâ being Establishment code for anything we do not like. Indeed Starmer includes Nazi (National Socialist salutes) as being far right. He and the police still continuing with Two Tier Kier agenda, much of MSM and the BBC are two tier too.
See Starmerâs one-party state, David Starkey video.
A lax approach to shoplifting can lead to the outrage of people helping themselves on an industrial scale. Says JR LAX is rather an understatement. The police do nothing at all, in general, about shoplifting and very little on many other crimes. This endlessly encouraging more & augmenting the problem since at least 2017 it seems.
Shoplifters taking under ÂŁ200 worth of goods ‘not pursued’ 27 Dec 2017 â Retailers warn a rise in shoplifting is partly fuelled by police not investigating smaller thefts – the BBC. This under the mad Net Zero Theresa May!
August 6, 2024
‘Far Rightâ being Establishment code for anything we do not like’ Correct.
And the same goes for the putrid reporting by the BBC.
August 7, 2024
Not just “far right” but “terrorists”, apparently. We were told stabbing eleven little girls and two grownups was not terrorism. Nor was stabbing an army officer. Nor was pushing someone on to the underground railway line. Nor are masked, black clad militias brandishing weapons and marauding around looking for Englishmen to despatch. Countless other outrages have been designated “not terror related”, within hours of being committed. But protesting against all of this is, apparently, terrorist. We are being ruled by a socialist worker cast of mind.
August 6, 2024
@Mark B – How come “The Buck Stops Here” has become “its everyone but me”
August 6, 2024
Maybe you could get round to discussing mass immigration, 1.2 million migrants setting in the UK last year and why the Conservative governments that you supported fud nothing about it despite being in power for 14 yesrs
Reply I have often done so and was a consistent advocate of a big reduction !
August 6, 2024
reply to reply…That Government went from promising ‘tens of thousands’ to 1,100,000 and yes you eventually mentioned reducing by 300,000. I doubt many readers would agree that would have been a ‘big reduction’.
Reply No, I helped get the government to promise to cut by 300,000 which I said was not enough. I was elected on a Manifesto get it well down below 200,000 and was angry that Ministers did not do that.
August 6, 2024
You were elected to get immigration below tens of thousands as well under Slimy Cameron! When Johnson wanted to reduce below 219,000 you must have realised it was double from before.
August 6, 2024
Hope
JR wrote his own manifesto at every election for his constituents, which set out HIS thoughts and priorities, it differed in very many ways to the Conservative Party line, hence his continued election up until this year when it was clear he had, had enough !
Thus JR did not use the party literature at all for the simple reason he did not agree with much of it especially in later years.
Yes I was a constituent.
August 6, 2024
I certainly recall Sunaks pledge to stop the boats ….two years later they’re still averaging 100pers a day
August 6, 2024
and the ‘promise’ was made when the electorate and I think you too, knew you had not a cat’s chance in hell of being re-elected.
Sorry but not off the hook.
August 6, 2024
A welcome article from an ex-politician with an insider’s view of the quite obvious two tier governance we are now seeing. It is dangerous and it is criminal in nature.
The Tory party have a choice to make. They can either expose Labour’s sinister authoritarian, identity based Marxist politics or wave goodbye this nation forever.
And where’s the diversity obsessed King Charles? Erm, silent and invisible.
we can all move forward together but cancerous Labour must be exposed
Many thanks for the article Sir John
August 6, 2024
Successive governments have stubbornly ignored law enforcement.
Even to the point of dispensing with police stations because allegedly Mrs May thought crime levels had dropped ( !)
Then we had PCOs (?) who here told an old lady to âgrow upâ when she complained that a boy had âmoonedâ at herâŠ.poor woman.
Not to mention the absolutely out of control unimaginably loud parties in back gardens weekend after weekend. Unchecked and disbelieved by councils on Mondays.
Vastly fast driving with ear splitting sound surround. Ancient engines well outside the law.
And litter! All sorts everywhere.
No wonder people think a spot of rioting is ok.
August 6, 2024
The ‘rioting’ is the last straw to get Government and Establishment to wake up, however late it is.
August 6, 2024
Extremely obvious two tier policing too – no police to be seen in the Birmingham illegalities last night and little reporting of it either by two tier BBC types. Clearly Two Tier will continue with speeches from Two Tier Kier & Sir microphone snatcher/reporter assaulter one Mark Rowley.
But Cameron, May, Boris & Sunak had virtually the same agenda as Kier. Kier is better at pouring petrol on the fire.
August 6, 2024
I support your view. I cannot get similar views published. I mention the Marxist attitude. I mention the authoritarian view, but I am not allowed past the door.
August 6, 2024
Met chief needs to be questioned about attempt criminal damage or public order ie any insulting words or behaviour. He had no right or authority to seize and throw away someoneâs property.
As we saw with Palestinian protests Rowley did not know public order offences carried out by crawling over national monuments etc. how about Breach of the Peace. Met came out with no offences committed and required new legislation! Utter rot.
August 6, 2024
Quite. Many a middle aged man has lost his career and pension because of a police caution issued for momentary loss of temper.
August 7, 2024
I reported it as a Crime to the Met Police. Since we’re assured they don’t do “two tier” policing and apparently police “without fear or favour” they should investigate what looks like a clear case of criminal damage.
No reply so far and I don’t expect one.
August 6, 2024
We’re done.
What follows will be terrible tit-for-tat atrocities – instigated by the most indoctrinated, possibly in remote villages where the police can’t get to quickly and posted on the internet.
News blackouts, restrictions on movement and possibly lockdowns too.
We are on the cusp of a miserable sectarian war and all the BBC and the government and authorities can do is gaslight the general population.
We did try to tell you and even on this site mass immigration was a no-no for so long.
14 years of Tory rule should have turned this ship around but didn’t. It’s over.
When the ÂŁ turns to dust there won’t be much point in a public sector pension – and if that doesn’t happen they’ll be stripped away by the coming revolution anyway. So there is a silver lining.
(I don’t expect this to see light of day but so long as you read it, John.)
August 6, 2024
Brixton riots – politicians condemn the violence but sympathise with the causes.
Toxteth riots – politicians condemn the violence but sympathise with the causes.
Tottenham riots – politicians condemn the violence but sympathise with the causes.
Black lives matter riots – “mostly peaceful protests” politicians condemn the violence but sympathise with the causes. Some including the police get on their knees
Climate zealot protests – politicians criticise the disruption but sympathise with the causes.
Gaza marches – full accommodation of any inconvenience on the general public.
Protests about proliferation of Islam and excess immigration – police shut down right to gather thus inciting a reaction, politicians immediately condemn anyone present as “far right”
Two tier Keir (and before him Rishi, May, Johnson and Cameron) might wish to consider if all protest is treated equally.
Race is a contentious topic and needs debate not censure.
August 6, 2024
+1 NS. Very good post.
August 6, 2024
Correct.
Black lives matter riots â âmostly peaceful protestsâ politicians condemn the violence but sympathise with the causes. Some including the police get on their knees.
Even the England and other football teams and the famous Kier Starmer and Tory Scum, Scum, Scum Angela Raynor kneeling picture.
August 6, 2024
Do not forget illegal immigrants setting fire to army barracks. Instead of being charged and deported moved to hotels!!
JR forgets that the tone of law and order is set by Govt. Particularly it is set through HMIC inspectorate of police forces to force direction of policing. Treacherous May let her spite overwhelm her judgment and national security because she was given a slow hand clap by rank and file. May put a railway manager in charge of policing where DEI and all diversity rot became the priority both inside and outside the police service. May stated the number of police officers does not correlate with crime rate. She cut police by 20,000. With that she got rid of experienced police officers and replaced with brainwashed recruits what their new diversity priorities are.
We read last week how shop lifting at Bridgend is at epidemic levels, we see and read people just helping themselves from shops without any action taken even though it will raise food prices and cost of living. Govt stands by doingâŠnothing. Drug offences ignored and allowed to become the norm, even though it transcends into huge amounts of crime ie. Burglary, knife crime, robbery, assaults, murders etc.
Knife crime epidemic is ignored. The tragedy of the three little girls rest at the foot of politicians. Many go before them. There is no doubt it is the fault of politicians closely followed by compliant left wing police chiefs.
August 6, 2024
Correct – its the small crime that feeds the big crime
August 6, 2024
@Narrow Shoulders +1
The inability to ‘listen’ unless it is yourself from those that term themselves ‘Leadership’. No more serving, working with, just perpetual fighting anyone that has a different point of view.
August 6, 2024
Zero justification for the rioting but itâs sad fact that if you want politicians to take notice, many people think there is no alternative.
There is no doubt we have seen riots and near riots from a range of communities that have not attracted the criticism that the current ones have and of course anything that attacks the establishments one eyed approach is labelled far right and must be eliminated.
As ever the widespread disapproval that exists in this country because weak politicians keep bending the knee to minorities is ignored. They are lucky that we are not like groups on the continent but there is no guarantee that will continue especially if the policy of two tier policing continues.
If you allow ghettos where the writ of law is not enforced or people here illegally so costing the rest of us egregious amounts of money people will take the law into their own hands.
To label it as an âistâ,or an âismâ and seek to censor that rather than understand and deal honestly with the under lying reasons will surely only fuel more resentment.
August 6, 2024
‘Far-Right’ from Starmer means, ‘a long way away from what I’m thinking and therefore what they want is bad and must be eliminated’.
Starmer simply doesn’t get it; HE is part of the problem.
Will the police do what they usually do, arrest the ‘low-hanging fruit’, or will they be useful and find and arrest the real thug managers.
August 6, 2024
The Establishment blatantly operates a two-tier system of policing, and what is laughingly called justice, and then expects the discriminated-against working class majority to respect “the law” and support the police.
As Matt Goodwin said in his substack a few days ago “Something has gone terribly wrong in this country.
We can all see it, we can all sense it, even if we dare not say it out loud.
The creeping sense of lawlessness.
The overwhelming sense of hopelessness.
The now inescapable conclusion that weâve simply let too many people into our country who hate who we are.
And a growing sense of desperation, rooted in the knowledge that nobody in power has any serious control over the country âover its streets, borders, future.
What did they expect?”
Blair opened the borders with no mandate. Since 2010 the electorate has voted for severely restricted immigration, when Cameron “promised” to close them. For 14 years the Treacherous Tories “promised” one thing and deliberately did the exact opposite.
If the Establishment makes change via peaceful means impossible, they make violence more likely.
Two-tier-Keir is the embodiment of a legal Establishment which blatantly discriminates against the white working class.
August 6, 2024
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August 6, 2024
Exactly see the recent David Starkey video âStarmerâs one party Stateâ.
August 6, 2024
There is a compelling economic reason why the Tories, including Boris Johnson, have deliberately increased legal immigration, and why Labour will want to continue with the same policy, and that is because the UK government of whichever party will struggle to service its debt without a higher growth rate to increase tax revenues. And the blame for that debt mountain properly lies largely with the previous Labour government under Gordon Brown which became reckless in anticipating future revenues and over- expanded its future obligations, but they managed to shift the blame onto the Tories.
As I have pointed out before. for example
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2024/07/26/37906/#comment-1466676
we have never regained the trend growth rate of about 2.3% a year that applied before the global financial crisis, and mass immigration is seen as kind of “demographic Ponzi scheme” short to medium term solution.
Although yesterday the Centre for Policy Studies argued that the core problems go back much further:
https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2024/britains-growth-does-not-depend-on-the-eu-says-leading-economist/
“Instead, the briefing argues that the major challenges facing the UK are deep-rooted, have long predated Brexit and solutions are not reliant on being in the EU. The UK has had an investment shortfall since the 1970s, a trade deficit problem since the mid-1980s, and regional and other imbalances have persisted for some time, too.”
August 6, 2024
Denis the problem with our immigration is that it does not increase tax per head but does increase costs per head.
Therefore it is pointless except to swell the profits of corporations. Even that us unlikely as those who arrive set up their own communities and shop locally.
August 6, 2024
well said. What is left on the positive side?
August 7, 2024
The theory is that the benefits come quickly while the costs come later, when new waves of immigrants can be brought in to help pay for them. This is why I refer to a “demographic Ponzi scheme”.
Reply My point is that is all based on wrong analysis. The extra costs of low and no income legal migrants is heavily front ended weighted by needing to build a subsidised social home, provide extra NHS and school capacity and dig up the roads to provide more utility supply. The EU costed early years at 250,000 Euros per migrant in 2016.
August 6, 2024
Spot on
August 6, 2024
Two Teir Keir has worked at pace to relax all immigrant policies to make it easier to stay here. Starmer, Cooper and Rayner working at pace to provide amnesty for 90-60,000 illegal criminals entering our country and provide them social housing which the taxpayer will be forced to pay for through increased community charge! Why should anyone be angry after we repeatedly voted to leave EU, stop freedom of movement and mass immigration!
Head of Home Office Rycroft just paid a ÂŁ30,000 bonus on top of his ÂŁ180,000 salary!! Look at the mess he presides over!
August 6, 2024
@Donna +1
Spot on as always
August 6, 2024
Police officers have been injured in the rioting trying to protect life and property. The police are not perfect and have been heavily criticised in numerous recent reports, but they do not need to have bricks and abuse thrown at them on a Sunday afternoon
We cannot live in a society without the rule of law. The police must have our full support.
August 6, 2024
Very tendentious, SG. Whose lives and whose property were the police protecting, and where? Hostels for illegal migrants? When an Asian family in a BMW was attacked in Hull, the police were nowhere around. And who exactly threw the bricks you mention? Even the BBC had to admit that in Birmingham, vehicles and a pub were attacked ‘by a masked group who broke away from the main demonstration’. Like every organisation the establishment regards as dangerous, the so-called English Defence League will have been infiltrated by Special Branch plants. What role do you think they played – staying at home and watching the riots on TV? I doubt it.
August 6, 2024
We cannot live in a society where “the law” is applied differently to different communities according to the colour of their skin, their religion, their cultural norms or whether (in the case of eco terrorists and trans activists, for instance) the Establishment approves of their agenda.
August 6, 2024
precisely.
August 6, 2024
Of course the police should not be physically attacked. But the two tier policing the senior police officers and this even more dire government (and Starmerâs absurd & one sided speeches) are pushing is just petrol on the fire. I cannot support this as it makes matters far worse by the day.
August 6, 2024
SG,
That reads like the usual government statement for such occasions.
As far as I can see, they were mostly peaceful protests following the Southport stabbings.
August 6, 2024
In general the police do have public support, but it is being sorely tested with the woke army of senior police giving the orders to the rank and file. I do not believe the Bobbys on the beat approve any more than we do of the two tier policing now in effect. It was even denied on radio this morning by the minister in charge who ‘did not see or hear’ of the of the Met Commissioner knocking over a microphone petulantly, when asked about it by a reporter. She did nor recognise the special treatment given to JSO (would you like a cup of tea?, or BLM taking the knee by Starmer and police.) Presumably another square peg in a round hole not across her brief, or just trying to fool the public she seems to think are too thick to notice. Not a good start to the new government and it looks as we suspected that it is business as usual and the voters can get stuffed.
August 6, 2024
SG
Maybe, if thatâs what the police want, they should return to policing impartially and by consent?
August 6, 2024
Two tier Kneeler Keir. Working hard to punish the ‘far-right’ for leading protests against excessive immigration, but ignoring the problem itself.
August 6, 2024
Yes to all you write SJ, but its application must be even handed. Historically it most certainly has not been. The rape and molestation of some 1400 young white highly vulnerable girls in Rotherham was ignored by the police and all other auhthorities on the grounds that it might upset racial relations with the muslim ex pakistani community. Its partiality did, but not in the way expected. It happened in numerous other areas where muslim pakistani communities exist.
Then we have the soft touch to the supporters of hamas, an illegal terrorist organisation in the eyes of UK law, and the people of Gaza. This involved lit up signs on Big Ben enciting anti semetism and continuous verbal slogans to the same effect. Escorted and unchallenged by London’s police.
In recent days, following the slaying and injury of the innocent in Southport, ordinary people are begining to demonstrate their disquiet with the direction of political travel in the UK, and specifically with uncontrolled immigration and it’s impact on their lives.
There is no excuse whatever for hijacking this disquiet by rent a mob hooligans intent on mayhem. It needs to be physically confronted and subjected to the law with all it’s furious indignation.
SKS is clearly out of his depth. Attempting to tar everyone who disagrees with him with right wing extremism is nonesense. These mobs could hardly put five coherent words together, let alone have political thought. It is yet to dawn on him that he only got the support of 35% of the electorate on 4th July, the other 65% were largely showing their disdain for the government of the day, hence his vast majority. The mobs are no more than opportunist criminal hooligans.
Respect for the law and those tasked to apply it, is not advanced when a petulant chief of London’s Metroplitan Police destroys a reporters microphone because he did not like the legitimate question asked. Perhaps he had a disquieting Cobra.
August 6, 2024
He only got 20% of the electorate. He got 35% of the turnout.
August 7, 2024
And 63% of the seats in the HoC: Thatâs FPTP for you. If you donât like the result change the voting system.
There was an interesting mini-movie on the FT site âCan the Conservative party survive the defeat?â asking a number of very relevant questions related to various aspects of the electorate.
As long as both Labour and the Conservative parties are âbroad churchesâ the extremists (and some not particularly clever ones) in both parties will have it easy to hide behind the more balanced members.
If there were more proper choice, I wonder how many of the so-called âConservativesâ would end up in a Rassemblement National type of party.
August 7, 2024
hefner
Yet there are many examples of PR giving rise to both left and right wing small parties in Europe getting to be power brokers in coalitions.
Unfair and undue influence?
August 6, 2024
“Rioting and looting destroy commerce and harm the lives of the many. Who will invest in a business that might be torched, or toil in a shop where looters help themselves?”
Why invest indeed..
But it is not the rioting that made me question re-starting my businesses, these are just reactions to the underlying issue of atrocious governance.
The issue for me is the autocratic, racist governance since Blair that generously favours anyone but the indigenous population, including those that come here adopting our values and adding value.
A government that does nothing about industrial scale illegality, rape and gang violence but hammers people who complain because they have had enough of it.
So I don’t think I will be restarting my businesses here, nor invest here because what the “liberals” don’t destroy, denegrate or re-wild, or the government doesn’t thieve will no doubt get destroyed or stolen by those with protected characteristics.
August 7, 2024
I agree.
August 6, 2024
To us ‘normal’ observers, policing seems to have become nothing more than the enforcement department of the political propaganda movement.
How is it possible for a PM to muster an immediate ‘army group’ of reaction police sufficient to deter thuggery of the kind no one likes to see, yet the PM has been not simply failed or been silent, but has condoned, a group of thugs that have taken control of London streets every weekend since the middle of October last year?
Those thugs have so intimidated the local population, many of the Jewish community living there, have declared their intention to leave the city. Many others have stopped openly displaying their Jewish religious beliefs because they fear being attacked. The Police have actually arrested the innocent bystanders observing the lawbreaking demonstrations (now common place on our streets) rather than stopping the lawbreakers demonstrating who intimidate any who dare to challenge their reasons for occupying the streets.
Consider how accommodating our Met police have been to XR and JSO anarchists blocking whole areas of the city and preventing normal traffic flow. The police saw their job as protectors of the so called demonstrators rather than protecting the public from the disorder being caused by anarchists.
Something is very wrong with our police. The commissioner of the Met thinks he has the right to show contempt for the journalists wanting to hear his comments as he throws the mic to the floor and says nothing when asked a simple question?
August 6, 2024
Rod, your first statement is exactly what we see all the time.
August 6, 2024
The political class is responsible for trying to pour a quart into a pint pot. The result is split milk. In practical terms it means acute housing shortages, high prices, unaffordable rents, not enough schools, hospitals and other basic services to cope with the rapid rise in the population witnessed over the past twenty years. Clearly the violence must be ended. But the protest genie is out of the bottle. It will not easily be put back whence it came. Mass peaceful demonstrations would offer a different order of problems for the Starmer government. Given it’s policy announcements to date, there will be no shortage of issues or protest groups that will take umbrage at them. They may conclude that a government elected with the votes of only 20% of the electorate is going too far in pushing its agenda on the back of an abnormal parliamentary majority and that justifies the use of extra parliamentary means.
August 6, 2024
Starmer and Rayner look and ought to feel very foolish having had themselves photographed taking the knee in sympathy with far left rioters a few years ago, a couple of days after a far left riot had left over 20 police officers injured. It is essential that enforcement of the law and comments from ministers is even-handed.
August 7, 2024
A picture says a thousand words. It’s a perfect photo depicting the perception of Two-Tier-Keir.
Just as Trump defiantly punching the air with the American flag behind him a minute after being shot was the perfect picture in his case.
August 6, 2024
Police will be given powers to arrest protesters who wear face coverings to threaten others and avoid prosecution,
This was published under the 2022 to 2024 Sunak Conservative government
So why isnât it been carried out
August 6, 2024
Yes why isn’t it enforced
August 6, 2024
Because it’s unenforceable, Glen. The police are faced with hundreds of people all wearing masks. You order them to take off their masks. They refuse. What do you do then? You have to escalate with tear gas etc. and they certainly won’t take off their masks then!
August 7, 2024
What your saying is, their gang is bigger than our gang ….the criminal wins
August 6, 2024
The rioters may have a variety of motives for their actions, but I think underlying it is a sense of deep injustice. Also, they understand that our political system and the elites who benefit from it are the authors and perpetrators of an orchestrated attack against traditional British society and the working class in particular.
When the establishment sets out to destroy the freedoms and values that made the UK such a good place to live it becomes the enemy. And when there is no democratic means to fight it, spontaneous riots are the result.
The real problem for all of us will be the establishment reaction to the riots: more repression and curtailment of freedom of expression and assembly are likely to be opportunistically rushed into law. “Action, reaction” as the French say.
August 6, 2024
Not really sure how open borders and law and order can coexist?
The Labour leader supported BLM âpeaceful protestâ.
Where are all our statues now?
August 6, 2024
If you have settled into this country legally, even if you are from an entirely different culture, I would like you to know that you are welcome, and I will show you all hospitality. All I ask is that you integrate into British society.
That doesn’t mean to say I don’t have a view about immigration, that I’m not concerned about the pressure on housing, roads, sewerage capacity, the demand to turn over ever more sweet English meadow for housing estates and the insufficient food grown in this country to support the existing population. I am also concerned about the lack of integration in many communities. I don’t see that I should be labelled as far-right for having what I see is sensible objections.
August 7, 2024
Oh the âcommunitiesâ are fully integrated. They work as a body for their own standards which they will never compromise.
Welcome them at your peril and prepare to give up you keys, pension and passport – which will soon be worth nothing.
August 6, 2024
A significant root of this violence is that in the past the police in these communities have swept wrong-doing by people of immigrant stock under the carpet, e.g. Rochdale and Rotherham. It was done in the name of preserving good racial relations and has been utterly counterproductive. People remain extremely angry about it. Where were the government and the police when young girls were being drugged, gang raped and otherwise abused? The white working class is the truly left-behind class. It has been vilified and ignored and they are rightly angry. Unless and until this is acknowledged, these flare ups will continue.
I will refrain from reminding you who the DPP was at the relevant time.
August 7, 2024
All of this is current. What makes you think it has stopped? If middle class people think they are exempt they are in for a shock.
August 6, 2024
Afraid this all comes down to numbers,
If the population has grown by 20% in whatever period, then so should have police numbers, prison spaces, law courts, and of course all budgets in real terms, just to stand still with what has gone on before, assuming of course it was correct and fit for purpose before that period.
Once again politicians have complicated matters with more confusing and complicated laws
Theft is theft, assault is assault, why do we need dozens of different descriptions, when you just need a big range of degrees of sentencing that can be applied by the judge after hearing all of the evidence, which should also take into account the previous criminal record of the guilty party.
Like most things in life you get what you pay for, pay little do not expect a lot.
August 6, 2024
If the police fail to turn up to investigate so called minor crime, shoplifting, burglary, criminal damage and a host of other offences, then the public lose faith in justice, the law, and the police in general.
If the public are constantly being targeted as cash cows by automatic traffic cameras and the like, they lose faith in the law.
When prisoners are let out early from the sentence originally given, then people lose faith in the justice system.
When thousands of people who enter our country illegally, are then put up in hotels and then allowed to stay, it makes a farce of the justice system.
The police have a difficult enough job to do in the first place, but when offenders are simply given in effect just a slap in the wrist in our courts, then they really must wonder if it is all worth the bother.
August 6, 2024
Sir John
It is a difficult one. On the one hand the Conservative Government over a period of 14 years made promises after promises and failed to deliver on any of them. This continuation government appears to have said âwhat the hellâ it doesnât matter, give the illegals that have broken UK Laws and in doing so become criminals a new name and the problem will disappear.
On the illegals I feel no one is addressing the situation that for everyone forcing their way in it means a legitimate asylum seeker loses a chance.
In a law-abiding society rioting, causing criminal damage canât be abided by â where does it stop!
There is no degree on what constitutes breaking the Law, you either did or you didnât. Then we have the measure of equality and unbalanced policing and the application of the Law. If one section uses the consumption of oil as an infringement of their human rights, is that so different from another section suggesting invaders are stealing their money as in taxes, getting housed, fed and cared for at is also an infringement of their human rights?
August 6, 2024
The Government, the media joining in a chorus of name calling, creating a divide is just as despicable.
Hard right, hard left what does that now mean any more? In Europe we have had the Workers Partyâ, the Socialist Workers Party an extreme left-wing organization that the left of Politics chose to call the âRight-Wingâ when it all went wrong.
The UK has evolved into a one-party Dictator State by destroying not defending democracy. By refusing our own legislators and our own democratically created laws. Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Johnson, Sunak and now Starmer (even the Conservative leadership a non-contest of continuation candidates) are all of the socialist left, they have fought common decency, created the division that fights democracy and its democratically created Laws.
Before any one in Authority or those that have chosen a political path denounces others, they need to look at themselves and the contempt they have for those they have promised to serve.
August 6, 2024
We now have no overarching rule of law.
Whatâs sauce for the goose SHOULD be sauce for the gander.
Tempered with a little establishment humility.
Or maybe a lot!
Why the reluctance to recall parliament?
August 6, 2024
forget a recall, they shouldn’t be on holiday/recess ….they’re working to the 18th century
August 6, 2024
I always thought that funding a criminal activity was itself a crime.
If so, how is it âenforcing the lawâ when individuals and organisations are not charged with criminal activity when funding the criminal actions of climate activists?
August 6, 2024
Somebody or other once said âItâs all a gameâ with reference to politics.
And now we can see to what extent.
Snakes and Ladders?
August 6, 2024
Snakes is appropriate.
August 6, 2024
Is not attempting to or entering the country without a visa and without any ID a crime?
If so, how can it be âenforcing the lawâ when this criminal activity is encouraged by collection from French waters, followed by free accommodation (no problems with rising cost of living) in 4 star hotels, free health, dental and social care, ÂŁ40/week pocket money and the complete freedom to roam our streets, take black market jobs and abscond when they like ?
These criminals are not even fitted with tracking ankle bracelets.
August 6, 2024
What on earth do you expect. This nation its way of life, its history, its previous heroâs, its street names, pub names, our flag, indeed anything English has been under attack since Blair. He was also responsible for the break up of the auk with his devolution that gave rise to hatred between the home nations. This has been supported by all governments since.
For years we have been asking for control on immigration and to stop the boats with no government making any headway even with a majority.
So now Labour are in who have, and are intent on removing anny obstacle that was in place to further immigration. Rwanda gone, students allowed to bring their families. (Who wonât leave after their Wallace and Gromit degree), is there any wonder what is happening. People have had any hope taken away.
People were voted to into our parliament as independents because of their view of Palestine and nothing else regarding the U.K. so it is identity politics that are winning not policy. As the London Mayor.
As for pensioners getting a good hiding. You know those that have worked hard done something for themselves just indicates where we are going. I donât know why I bothered. Do nothing and get everything. Arrive here illegally get everything. Go fishing without a piece of paper and face the full force of the law.
August 6, 2024
You sound as angry as me BW.
August 6, 2024
I am very angry, but too old for rioting. Too busy trying to work out how much of my pension I will have left, if anything. Might bugger off and come back in a boat and declare myself a refugee. Well you can be a cat or a pigeon these days so why not a refugee. Free everything.
August 6, 2024
The current unrest will give them the excuse to take us fully to 1984 where âenforcing the lawâ applies more to thoughts and words than deeds. Weâre nearly there as âhurty wordsâ are already treated as a more serious offence than shoplifting.
August 7, 2024
Too true
August 6, 2024
Unfortunately, law enforcement does not treat breaking into a country as a crime at all and the perpetrators are rewarded with accommodation, mobile phones, cash handouts, and eventually citizenship This is what the rioting is all about.
August 6, 2024
This government like the last one is a joke. For years we have seen lawlessness on our streets. What we see now is a failure of multiculturalism. People are tribal and groups with such different values cannot co-exist peacefully. Nothing will improve until we tackle the root cause of knife crime, terrorists and gangs. A zero-tolerance policy should be followed. Foreign criminals should be deported. Anyone on a watch list should be deported where possible. The boats should be turned back to France. Legal immigration should be cut. Starmer is making the situation worse by defending a group who wants to harm us but attacking concerned British people and labelling them as far right. What do politicians expect when people see over in Ireland that the only way to stop a migrant hotel in their town is to torch it? What do they expect when politicians and celebrities take the knee to BLM thugs and openly support Palestinian protesters? Two-tier policing is visible for all to see. This mess is on our governments and will worsen if they donât take the required action. Save our children, they donât deserve to be sacrificed to politicians’ virtue signalling.
August 6, 2024
Before we enforce the law (which we donât) we need a competent body to write the laws and a culture of ârule of lawâ embedded in our community, society and by tradition âŠ.I witnessed many laws ignored by the people and the police,; they need to be removed if not enforceable âŠ.The new immigration law which identifies every illegal immigrant as a criminal, a criminal that cannot claim refugee / asylum seeker status and will be removed from the UK âŠ.NEVER enforced
When trust in the law is broken down the scum of our community, the extremes of society rebel and riot âŠ..government policies has lead to this current situation
August 7, 2024
Itâs written. The police and everybody else has no locus to ânot apply the lawâ. That in itself is a crime and thus ⊠draw your own conclusions.
August 7, 2024
Indeed
August 6, 2024
Unlike what the government says John Redwood’s blog here is sensible and balanced.
The government is ascribing all the problems, rioting and lawlessness to ‘far right thugs’. ‘Thugs’ is probably correct but ‘far right’ is not a sensible description for the majority who are not interested in politics, quite likely seldom vote and generally are not political activists at or between elections. It is all crazy anyhow, in using a lone knife murderer in Southport who whatever his background clearly appears to be a lone lunatic as the pretext for their actions. Even worse the government ignore the leftist thugs and Muslims who for instance seem to have been solely responsible for the rioting in Birmingham last night. Likewise it is not only the boat owners but also their passengers who seek to profit from criminal illegal migration and should therefore not benefit from their crime and not get British citizenship.The government is reacting in accordance with their political expediency rather than the truth and in doing so they are just increasing the gulf between the man in the street and politicians and the public perception that politicians do not live in their real world.
August 7, 2024
Men standing in the street shouting âsave our childrenâ – thugs? Really?
Facing police in riot gear unarmed. Thugs?
August 7, 2024
‘Save our children’-from what? One man’s outburst of lunacy- one might just as irrationally protest about a tsunami or a coach accident! In reality these ‘demonstrations’ (on both sides) fall within the scope of what Suella Braverman memorably categorised as ‘hate marches’ or hate riots!
August 6, 2024
I have been trying to clarify in my mind the root cause of what we are seeing on our streets. I suspect it stems from a detachment between the establishment of the UK, defined as politicians, their servants and vested interests on one hand, and the people on the other.
The establishment have their political theories with implementation programmes and a large dose of self interest to drive them. The people are expected to be the worker drones providing the where withall, taxation, to fulfill establishment interests. As a mark of the disparity achieved, compare national GDP at 6th in the World with personal GDP at a bare 21st.
Theory has it that a parliamentary system with elections every five years is democracy. However when the kitchen works to a different menu, manifesto, to that put before the customers, democracy breaks down. Customers have every right to feel disenfranchised having sat down for a chinese meal and the being force fed fish and chips. Our american cousins years ago put it another way, ” No taxation without representation”.
The solution is a return to honesty in politics, the curbing of vested interests that work against those of the people, and the greater use of binding referendums and their implementation to ensure that the people have an active part in the politics of the moment. The days are over for entrusting politicians to make major decisions as proxies for the people. They have rendered themselves untrustworthy. If the people get it wrong they only have themselves to blame.
Think about it and come up with an even better solution. For sure we cannot continue as we are.
August 6, 2024
I agree with your assessment â its also down to intent and size of the gang
Government & Police gang â Woke leadership, never on the streets, weak & small
Criminal gang â Ruthless leadership, control the streets at night, strong & large
When I was growing up you never messed with the police as they had the biggest gang, but they ruled by consent because they were seen & known on the street
August 6, 2024
‘a parliamentary system with elections every five years is democracy’.
Democracy? —more like a joke.
August 6, 2024
Just as an aside just how lamentably poor has the response of the “official opposition” been to this situation ? Has Sunak said a word about it ? Is he even in the country ? Cleverly’s comments have been feeble. Are they not bothered that by being the first to call for a recall of Parliament to debate all aspects of the issue Farage looks like the real leader of the opposition ? Starmer is failing badly here but the Conservatives are letting him get away with it.
August 6, 2024
Roy
Just like much of their time in office the conservatives are not really concerned about what is going on in the real world with real people and their problems, much of which have been created by the same politicians in the first place
August 7, 2024
Why would Sunak or any of the other Empty Suits vying for the Leadership want to debate the issue. What are they going to say?
“We know we “promised” to reduce immigration in 2010, 2016, 2017, 2019 and we “promised” to stop the boats. We know we betrayed the millions who consistently voted for us to reduce immigration, but now we’re going to be the voice of Opposition to a Government which has no intention of doing it either.”
August 6, 2024
Yes, âenforcing the lawâ is necessary to avoid a breakdown of order. But whose laws when there are calls from the Left for Islamophobia to be made illegal? Isnât this the number one law in Islamic countries? Is that the goal?
August 6, 2024
Rule of law is having a visa to enter the country, and being throw out if you’re an overstayer or arrived wothout visa
August 6, 2024
For at least two decades now. Maybe longer, parliamentarians with an agenda have criticised the police at every opportunity especially when dealing with certain sections of the public. This has been done to the extent that the police are reluctant to even stop a black person as the obvious racist complaint would follow, Irrespective of whether the complaint was justified or not some parliamentary elements supported by the obvious groups would use the information to slam the police. I have been out of the police for 12 years now and it was bad enough then. If you did stop a black person you had to stop a white one just so your figures didnât single you out.
This has led too the two tier policing we see today. Evidence of which we see with the police and parliamentarians taking the knee in front of the BLM riots.
This has also led to those sections of society thinking they have the backing in arguing against simple requests by the police on the streets which leads to violence, no from the police but the offender. The recent airport attack on the police shows you that. Didnât the offenders quickly get the backing from all the normal money grabbing lawyers and parliamentarians with their agendas who could not wait to give the police a hiding before the second video came out.
So parliament yet again are responsible for where we are today, and the Poole we have today all of whom are more interested in identity and colour instead of the law.
August 6, 2024
+1
August 7, 2024
We cannot go on like this.
August 6, 2024
Let’s face it. Successive government’s have been ACTIVELY working to destroy this country. This one is no exception.
Just wait till the lights go out….
August 6, 2024
I think the strength of feeling might put the lights out earlier than a power shortage in the winter.
August 6, 2024
Many Politicians like to focus on symptoms and not causes – usually because it is easier. But if you do not address the causes then the symptoms will just reappear, probably more virulently.
August 6, 2024
‘Many Politicians like to focus on social media’
I fixed it for you
August 6, 2024
The present riots are a demonstration of the Government’s attitude and control to illegal immigration rather than to anything else . We are an overcrowded population and we need to restore our basic dignity ; Labour have got it all wrong .
August 6, 2024
I see there was no police in Birmingham last night with men carry swords and other weaponry in plain sight, setting fire to cars and break windows of busineesses and no reports from media as well.
August 6, 2024
The police were probably busy at a compulsory diversity meeting or reviewing social media online harm laws âŠ.or charging their new EV police vehicles; they canât go out without a full charge
August 6, 2024
A lot were trying to find a definition of when can you protect yourself by whacking a threatening thug’s arms, legs or head with a baton!
August 6, 2024
Look no further then the ECHRs
August 6, 2024
The police and media and a majoriy of politicians are happy with these cultural and religious groups who they think are entitled to control of their areas and to punish anyone who opposes them.
England is breaking down in this way and soon will be under the control of those who arrived from elsewhere in recent decades.
August 6, 2024
I donât agree with the violence against the police who are here to protect us, it is wrong and rioting has no place in our society. However, when government isnât listening to the people, unfortunately this is the result, people are afraid for their children and families and they take the law into their own hands.
People are silenced and arenât allowed to discuss immigration and race, theyâre called racists, shut down and threatened with prison. We are all being force fed with people of colour and race on TV, almost every advert has more people of colour than white British and itâs causing resentment. This fire has been fuelled for a long time by forcing multiculturalism and making us feel that it is no longer our country, this is so wrong.
For The Prime Minister to label all the rioters as far right extremists who will have the full force of the law on them is making matters far worse, especially when he took the knee to BLM. He needs to listen and understand why people are angry, stop the two tier policing and stop force feeding us with multiculturalism if he doesnât want this dreadful behaviour will continue.
August 6, 2024
A Conservative for the most part making sense – George Freeman MP for Mid Norfolk.
https://conservativehome.com/2024/08/06/george-freeman-our-country-isnt-broken-but-our-party-is/
âThe Question all the leadership contenders need to be asking at this stage is not âWhy am I the right person to lead the Conservative Party?â
âItâs âWhy is the Conservative Party broken and how do we rebuild it into a force for inspiring Conservative values in the 21st century?â
Which begs the next question is that why are the only candidates on offer the self-same ones that as part of their collective responsibility âtrashed the Conservative Partyâ. More of the same, continuity Johnson/Sunak and now Starmer will change nothing. They have all shown they are incapable of listening, resent and refuse Democracy â rule to them is their seemingly personal view of WEF Socialism, and that is it a personal image of do what I say I cant hear you and is the only version on offer.
August 6, 2024
If anyone was unsure on what was needed “Itâs the Economy, Stupidâ
https://conservativehome.com/2024/08/06/ben-houchen-how-teesside-can-provide-a-blueprint-for-conservative-renewal/
His view on Boris are wrong though
August 6, 2024
I corrected: your views on Boris do not fit Houchenâs. .
August 6, 2024
It is shocking that a 17-year-old, wherever he comes from, takes a knife to kill children. There is no excuse for what happened next; our police should never have to face bottles, bricks or any other missiles being thrown at them. However, it reflects the breakdown of discipline in homes and schools, the lack of respect for authority, and the weak leadership of the last 20-plus years. It is beyond stupid of the PM and media to use the far-right label without reflecting on the causes. 7 million immigrants in 23 years are too many, and people are fed up with the Government, Labour and Conservative ignoring their concerns. Today, it is a handful of people, some of whom are undoubtedly thugs spoiling for a fight, but if immigration is not controlled, we might see a proper mass rebellion on our streets. The silent majority can only be pushed so far!
August 6, 2024
139 & 114 illegal economic /criminals arrived in the past 2 days from the safe country of France
August 6, 2024
We do not enforce the international law of the sea, returning any seafarer in difficulty to a save harbour (not a harbour of their choice but back to France from whence they came)
August 6, 2024
safe, but don’t swim in the river.
August 6, 2024
Are they leaving due to the woke olympics
August 6, 2024
My apologies for posting twice in one day, but the other part of the problem is social media, which has stimulated the riots with misinformation. While we can argue about the tech companies and what they should be doing, there is a simple solution. Classify them as publishers, not content providers. That would force them to be responsible for what is published on their sites. They would then face the law of libel if they published inflammatory material and would be forced to provide the names and addresses of people who published on their site. People should not be able to post anonymously, and perhaps every post should have the postcode of the poster as a minimum.
Give the tech companies three or six months to comply, ignore their threats to close the sites and clean up the internet.
August 6, 2024
On borders, a reasonable approach by negotiating with the French or the EU cannot secure the borders. Neither the French nor the EU want these illegals in their territory. Neither will negotiate unless they can see the possibilitiy of legally offloading some of the illegals onto the UK. The only possible deal is to share the burden of joint failure to control either UK or EU borders. That will inevitably mean a) higher numbers of illegals enetering UK than cross by boat and b) higher expense for the taxpayer as the illegals would be flown to UK at tax payers’ expense. They’d still be accommodated, treated etc as the current illegals. the burden would be enormous and intolerable.
There are only two possible solutions: either a) send them back to France by turning the boats back in the Channel when the weather is good or arresting and charging the boat drivers with endangering Human Life At Sea under the Offences against the Person Act 1861, or b) deporting them to a destination like Rwanda, leaving the ECHR and legislating to bar unlawful entrants from ever gaining residence in the UK.
Our political elites of either the Labour or Conservative parties will do neither. At least, they won’t until the rioting has become even more intense and spread to every part of the UK. Even then they will first go through the charade of negotiating with the EU. That would stop the boats but increase the flow and the cost and the follow-on stresses arising from that increase in accommodation, social tension, heath burden, economic burden, school places, followed by firther rounds of rioting.
Legal migration is similarly ill- targeted and far too massive, resulting in a heavy burden on the economy, in education, state housing, education etc.and widespread social tension. There is only one silution to this: stop it, no further legislation required, just do it.
August 6, 2024
The protesters lost the general election (assiming immigration was their main concern) since the Reform Party lost (the Conservatives claimed they wanted to reduce immigration but were no longer trusted, so they didn’t count).
The protesters should make their feelings heard at the ballot box at the next opportunity.
People using violence or looting shops should be jailed. We still have democracy so let’s use it.
August 6, 2024
In all these debates, and the subject debating, it is time that we English gave up our generosity.
There is debate about ‘the country’, but not identified. English generosity, even perhaps a feeling of superiority, has thought it makes no matter, but Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland are now spoken for and defended. England is not.
The danger, the threats, the vast immigrant numbers overwhelmingly affect England.
England has no leader – deliberately – no-one speaks for, or is allowed to speak for England. This must end. When a government spokesman speaks, they will mention the Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, that their identities and rights and needs should satisfy and respect their people, but never the same for England. England does not matter to them.
And England is blamed for all manner of things. This too must end. It is not England’s fault, it is the leaders and parties who ignore it but demand the right to rule over it, also giving others powers who ought not to have them.
This must change. We need a complete change. We must stop being taken for granted and subjugated as individuals, and as a nation.
August 6, 2024
Quite right ‘Prang’ we’ve been sidelined, marginalized and ignored since 1998 when Blair gave devolution to all bar England.
We live in a union of Scotland, Wales, N.Ireland and the UK.
Sadly our politicians support this status.
August 7, 2024
England is being lambasted online internationally for ârobbing these people of their countries and wealth, so no you have to give them yoursâ.
An Irishman wrote in saying Ireland had no colonies, but was under the very same attack, so that argument âwill not wash anymoreâ.
British people need to decide whether they want yo survive. Is nearly impossible to survive without a homeland. Ask the Jews. Without sanctuaries like the U.K., they would not have survived at all. We will have no sanctuary country to go to.
August 6, 2024
Enforcing the Law. 1. Shoplifting
The impression our MSM gives us now is that shoplifting under ÂŁ200 is ok; we are frequently shown people busting into shops and just walking out with products, scott-free. When sentences are given they are light community punishment, who ever sees weekly community punishment being done? They used to clean up graveyards, pull out weeds and grass from the curbs, cut back grass and soil off pavements, clean windows of abandoned buildings, clean up fly-tipping, they could assist raking up grass that councils can no longer afford to do, and lots of other jobs that councils have abandoned like littered verges, littered car parks, cleaning up fly posting, cleaning out grids, brushing up all the grit from curb sides, cutting hedges back on public walkways (some are closed up through overgrowth this summer).
August 6, 2024
Enforcing the Law. 2. Underage crime
By allowing those under 18 not to be identified to the public, by giving them special passes on crimes so they don’t serve any time, a rapist aged 15 at the time given a suspended sentence and community service (what cs? can make up for that crime?).
12-year-old machete murderers, unnamed and punishment not discussed, probably will be released at 18 and provided with lovely homes, minders and protectors.
The seven captured machete thugs in Southend, it will takes months to process them and they’ll be let off. Mr Mizzy in London is frequently given a free pass.
Today I couldn’t believe it when I read a man committing manslaughter is getting released after just five months, with five other prisoners, FIVE MONTHS for manslaughter to make way for whom, what community is going to have to take this man in?
The government is now encouraging more juvenile crime, and I’ve had enough of it. John, your blog is our community. You are still our online community leader, and I thank you for keeping the dialogue open because it is terrifying there is talk of people wanting to close down open communication.
August 6, 2024
Hi sir john
Where were the police when masked Muslims were rioting waving the Palestinian flags driving round at high speed in Birmingham last night
No police to be seen I disagree with violence starker said he will protect muslims and mosque
People don’t use violence unless lush to their limits we are the most tolerant country but there is a limit
Governments have let English people down in favour of illegal people
Thank you
August 6, 2024
Almost everyone here is of the same opinion (where is Lemming, I wonder ?) and at least 80% of the electorate agree with us. The problem is that this violence is not going to go away until Starmer and Cooper agree to do thing about both legal and illegal migration. Ever-more draconian action against the protesters is just going to bring more people onto the streets and more violence, so where will it end ?
Bringing out the Army will just take things to a whole new and more dangerous level and in any event most soldiers will have the same view as the rest of us so will not be keen to get involved.
Its time for the average person to make their feelings about this felt. My view is that for this government to take any notice of public opinion is going to require us to take to the streets peacefully, one weekend, wearing yellow jackets, just like the French. Several hundred thousands law abiding citizens taking part in various cities will really make the government sit up and take notice.
There are not enough police and army personnel to stop this kind of demonstration PROVIDING IT IS PEACEFUL.
The second weekend it takes place we will see the numbers joining double. They will probably double again on the third weekend. We are supposed to have government and policing by consent.
This government will fall if it refuses to take note of the views of the overwhelming majority of voters.
August 7, 2024
+1 We all need to stand together. When there is 3 % turnout, the police are overwhelmed and âtake the kneeâ. We MUST ALL stand with these heroic British people standing unarmed in the face of state and criminal violence, to defend their wives and children.
Be aware that in France the yellow vest were viciously attacked by their own police, eyes lost etc. The whole of Europe and European civilization is on the line.
August 6, 2024
This country has potentially a GREAT future but only ultimately through God (The Christian God). Great in terms of: politics, the economy, science, health, education, the monarchy, the arts, media, sport, defence, family life, married life, patriotism, and so on.
But the more our country and the Western in world in general turns away from God, the more chaotic / apocalyptic-like things are going to get.
August 7, 2024
The current church leaders are silent or accusatory against people’s concerns. They say ‘rioting is not British or English they defile the flag they wrap themselves in.’ Well if they were proper leaders wouldn’t they have come out immediately, spoke to people, calmed them down, no its 20 hours after it kicks off.
They said, “We have seen anti-Muslim hatred and the targeting of mosques; asylum seekers and refugees attacked; violence directed towards the police and private property,”
Yes, it’s wrong and silly and these often young men are going to pay with criminal records and time inside. The only way to sort out these policy decisions is through the ballot box.
However, I have also seen, unmentioned by anyone, a call to gather in the Muslim community, Bolton, Birmingham, in Rochdale and Manchester over the two men at the airport. Jess Phillips poured oil of that flame of trouble. No visible police presence, reports of people asking the police for help turned away. This isn’t “working with all sections of society”, people are scared on all sides.
August 7, 2024
(I meant ‘great’ in the sense of Cyrus the Great, First Persian Emperor, who was described as anointed or holy in the Old Testament (and even though he was a pagan – not a Jew))
I agree there is a lot to be said for a lack of leadership in the churches (and ALL Christian people believe we’re meant to be priests, prophets and kings – according to Baptism – and kings are meant to be leaders – including church leaders).
‘They said, âWe have seen anti-Muslim hatred and the targeting of mosques; asylum seekers and refugees attacked; violence directed towards the police and private property,’ – Church leaders are meant to be patriots (look at St Joan of Arc). They are also meant to stick up for the vulnerable. I think a lot of immigrants are not vulnerable at all and some of them can be violent for sure etc. We need BALANCE here (not forgetting, we need to inspire / encourage / help our native British people too to be more productive – and some of them can be real tattoo thugs).
‘people are scared on all sides’ – I don’t mean to show off (you don’t know me so I don’t think I am), but I am a Christian believer and I have challenged muslim preachers on the street x 4 times now (and properly so) in the last few years. I’ve challenged with respect, humour, warmth, self-control etc but they probably have my photo on their database and who knows who has access to that database. So I’m doing (or trying to do) my bit for God and country (but more importantly I believe a lot of other Christian believers are as well but they do it in private and don’t get mentioned in the newspapers etc).
August 8, 2024
Religious leaders don’t speak for me. I wasn’t aware that St. Joan of Arc was a church leader. The people who speak for me locally are those I elect. If I don’t think they’re doing a good job, I write to them and set out a case for what I want to be improved – whether it is serious pothole issues that are unresolved to fly-tipping to the overgrown churchyards that make the path un-walkable and then try to vote them out if they don’t act and let down my area.
“Tattoo thugs” modern body art isn’t something I personally care for; however, it’s wrong to include people’s tattoos in this. David Beckham, Harry Styles, Cheryl Cole, Ariana Grande, Angelina Joli, and Ed Sheeran (Damien Hirst designs his tattoos) are all covered in tattoos. These people influence many other people who aren’t connected to thuggery.
I didn’t see many white people this Monday afternoon not working and gathering in Birmingham with face coverings on the Sky News report; perhaps they were productive at work that afternoon. I help all people, not just ‘native people’, to be productive and provide jobs.
Religion has historically caused trouble for people, conflict, violence, and prejudice. Religion isn’t bad, but some evil people use religion to control groups of people to do bad things.