Spare us more Project Fear

The more the false fears are dismissed by the people responsible for organising our trade, the shriller and more desperate the Project Fear voices become. The port of Calais assures us of speedy passage for trucks after exit, so the hard core Remainers renew threats of food shortages!
European pharmaceutical companies confirm they want to carry on supplying drugs, so some go on about the need to stockpile as if we are entering some undeclared economic war. Airlines carry on selling tickets for post March whilst Project Fear is still pumping out the idea the UK will suddenly be cut off from the continent.
We currently import plenty of items including perishable food from outside the EU under WTO rules without delays and problems. Over the last year I have mainly bought home grown food, but have also enjoyed good fruit and veg that the UK could not grow from African and Latin American countries. I have not needed EU product.
I like to buy domestic produce with lowest food miles where possible. After that I prefer to buy food from developing countries. As an advocate of more trade as one of the ways of helping countries out of low incomes, I like to do my little bit with my own domestic budget.
The Project Fear blizzard on much of the media prevents us having a sensible discussion about how to use all the extra money and new freedoms once we lave. There are also some government Ministers who cannot bring themselves to tell us how they will spend the money and use the new freedoms, as if they are desperate not to. They should exude sensible confidence in our future as an independent country, and should be setting out exactly what we can do in April assuming we just leave. Setting out the advantages should be part of contingency planning for the Withdrawal Agreement being voted down.

The Chancellor needs to prepare a March budget to spend the money saved and boost the economy. The Business Secretary needs to stop encouraging fears and explain how Just in time systems will work just fine once we leave.Why doesn’t he sort out the damage done to the car industry by EU and UK regulation and by high vehicle Exicse Duty. Why won’t he publish with the Trade Secretary a tariff schedule for March 30 that is lower than the EU one, with no tariffs on any imported components? We want a better manufacturing policy after years of EU rules and subsidies helping export factories from the UK.

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  1. Lifelogic
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Exactly. But it still continues today with Stephen Barclay in the Telegraph:- “And there may be those reading this who believe that the UK will thrive without a deal. I understand that point of view, but it is irresponsible to play down the short-term risks.
    It’s obvious that voting for the deal on Tuesday is the only way to guarantee Brexit. Let’s unite behind it and frustrate the Brexit blockers.”

    Who cares about minor trivial short term disruption? It is about being free to control our own future destiny, set our economic agenda and tax rates, escape the EU and restore some real democracy. A bit of extra paper or rather computer work or a few short term teething troubles is as nothing compared to this prize. May’s appalling deal is simply not Brexit at all.

    I have voted Conservative all my life (as the least bad option, other than in EU electrions or for the appalling John Major in his second election). But I will never feel able to vote for any candidate who has supported May’s appalling deal. It is kicking all the 15 million + of Brexit voters in the teeth. She will destroy the party and give us Corbyn if not stopped.

    Would Churchill have suggest that a few admin teething troubles were a good reason to enter May appalling surrender treaty? What spineless fools we have in charge.

    Peter Lilley’s (and JR’s) excellent contributions show clearly that no deal is not a real problem at all.

    • agrictola
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:02 am | Permalink

      My sentiments too.

      • Hope
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

        Barclay’s article shows he is not fit to hold office. I wonder if he is able to understand what he has read in Mays servitude plan because it not holding faith with democracy, representative govt or the referendum result. His article brings his intellect and integrity into question.

        Mann (LabourMP) claims May has made promises on workers rights and environment to be be legal tied in her servitude plan to win his and other Labour MPs support. May’s desperate offers rather undermines each and every Tory MP, minister and what they allegedly stand for I would say.

        JR, you and your colleagues do realise how May is totally loathed and not trusted by the public do you?

        May’s chief of staff, who claimed leavers were ?…. and got voted out of office at the last election 2017, pledged Tory MPs they would not approach Labour MPs, Maria Caudwell Tory MP made that clear in her article. May continues to do so despite claiming otherwise by her chief of staff!

        • rose
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

          She will do literally anything to cling on to office. The 200 should have noticed this before they kept her there.

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:29 am | Permalink

      Lifelogic:

      Fully agree.

      However, Churchill would probably have dealt with the all the fifth columnists very expediently.

      • BOF
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:53 am | Permalink

        Steve: Mrs May, I am sure, welcomes those fifth columnists.

        • Steve
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

          BOF: yes the two ideologies are very different.

          The situation we now find ourselves in is real bad. I’ve never known anything like it. Tuesday / Wednesday will be interesting,

    • Merlin
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:30 am | Permalink

      Just to be clear. As someone from the other side, my issue isn’t that I believe Project Fear. Indeed I don’t believe people who tell me the bad consequences any more than those who tell me the good ones.

      I just don’t believe anybody knows the consequences of leaving with No Deal. It’s the blindfold Brexit problem, not the cliff-edge Brexit problem. There is a difference. So this argument just doesn’t cut the mustard for me.

      • sm
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:36 am | Permalink

        Merlin – have you never in your life had to make a decision about your future actions? When you decided on a career, or perhaps to change that career, when you decided whether to marry a particular person, and whether to have children?

        Surely you assessed your own status and condition, you assessed the options open to you based, sensibly, on fact-finding of your own and the experience of those you respect; hopefully, you also considered your own standards and beliefs.

        Or you did stand in a little sheltered corner, hanging on to Mummy’s hand, whimpering that since you didn’t have a crystal ball, you were just going to stand still and let life pass you by?

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

          Slightly insulting … but a fair point and I’ll answer it.

          I have had to make many decisions in my life. Indeed I like to think I have a lot of initiative and am the type of person who doesn’t need to hang onto Mummy’s hand, thank you very much.

          You appear to be saying deciding whether to take a job is of comparative complexity to deciding whether Britain should leave the E.U? Really? One concerns one individual i.e me. The other concerns millions of people and businesses, and currently seems to be occupying the minds of most of Whitehall. They are not remotely of similar complexity. Indeed, I’m astonished you think they are.

      • Caterpillar
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:51 am | Permalink

        Merlin,

        You don’t know the consequences of staying in all you know is that by staying in the UK elected Govt has less policy freedom and correspondingly that your vote has less value. The world is bigger than the EU (despite the EU’s eastward expansionist policies) being part of the world is not such a bad idea.

      • Adam
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:38 am | Permalink

        Owing to increasing funding for the NHS, those who shriek Project Fear can be exorcised from the ghosts they envision, treated by an eager queue of men in white coats.

      • GilesB
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

        We don’t know the consequences of May’s Withdrawal Agreement either. It is a blind Brexit. All we know is that we will have given away all authority and that the EU will have no incentive to agree a deal which lets us out from under their thumb.

        • Know-Dice
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

          Absolutely, the Withdrawal Agreement is a legal minefield that will tie the UK in the courts for years, it must not be voted through.

          Uncertainty is the killer for business, remove that and businesses will do the rest. The majority of trade is business to business , just get on with a managed WTO.

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

          I don’t know all the consequences, but I just want to negotiate our departure rather than ‘winging it.’

      • Jagman84
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

        No deal is moving to WTO trading with the EU, the system that we operate under for non-EU trade, with a healthy surplus in our favour. Current EU trade creates our overall large trading deficit. It will be hardly a step into the unknown. I asked a friend in a international freighting company about the difficulties this change will cause. His answer? He will have to click on a different box on the electronic manifest. Some hardship!

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

          I’m delighted you think it is so simple. Good for you.

      • Tony Sharp
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

        Only RemaIN EU will do presumably?

        Stop pretending to be neutral when in fact you simply do not accept an overwhelming democratic decision taken in the face of Project Threat and Project Negativity and followed up with Project Insult and Project Anti-Democracy.

        You admit you have nothing positive to say about the EU – nobody has which is why RemaIN could not convince sufficient Voters after 40 years of this mess.

        You seem completely unaware that May’s Proposal contains No Deal on Trade either – so what is the practical difference between – No Deal with EU but RemaINing in its control or No Deal with EU on WTO Rules.

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

          We should leave the E.U because the people voted for it.

          Clear enough for you.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

        Merlin, None of us really knows the future. Given that, why do you base your worries on not knowing the future? What we can do is assess the risks to guide us. It’s not sensible to cross a main road blindfolded. So take off your blindfold and look.

        Since there are countries around the world such as New Zealand, Canada, Australia and to some extent the USA and India, that have many similarities to the UK (laws, culture, democracy, etc) we know that it is possible to be independent of the EU and thrive.

        Putting our future in our own hands is less risky than entrusting our wellbeing to the hostile EU apparatchiks.

        • Adam
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

          Well-stated, NickC.

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

          I don’t know the future. Nobody does. However, that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t try to mitigate it.

          My issue is that we should negotiate some kind of deal before leaving, rather than ‘wing it’.

          • NickC
            Posted January 15, 2019 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

            Merlin, Talking about a “deal” without defining it is disingenuous. The EU has stated it will not negotiate a trade deal until we have left.

            We can (and should) withdraw – that is repeal the ECA – without a comprehensive withdrawal agreement (along the lines of Mrs May’s DWA) because it actually traps us into remaining in the EU.

            We can make specific agreements, such as on mutual recognition of driving licences, without giving away our independence.

      • Steve
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

        Merlin

        But you forget one important thing; we’re British. We’ve overcome adversity many times before against all odds, and we’ll do so again.

        May I suggest you and others need to start believing in yourselves and your country.

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

          I do remember we are British.

          I have enough adversity to deal with at the moment. The last thing I need right now is more of it.

      • Original Richard
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

        Merlin,

        We don’t know the consequences of remaining in the EU, or just as bad, being a vassal state of the EU if Parliament is stupid enough to vote for the EU’s Withdrawal Agreement.

        EU membership means accepting laws decided by people we do not know, do not elect and cannot remove. Just look how the 1975 referendum to join a “Common Market” evolved to being part of a “European Union” super-state with no further referendums to ask us if we agreed to a further loss of sovereignty at each new treaty.

        So who knows what will be result of another 45 years of EU membership.

        If Parliament signs up to the EU’s WA, or even cancels Brexit using the chaos of “no deal” (WTO trading terms) as an excuse, then the 2016 EU referendum will be the last meaningful vote the people of this country will have.

        The current Gilets Jaunes protests in France show us the consequences when people no longer feel they have any say in their governance.

        • Merlin
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

          Again. My argument is that a negotiated agreement offers more certainty that ‘winging it’ on WTO terms.

          I do not want a crystal ball that tells me the future – but I do want to know it to be planned and worked out.

          • NickC
            Posted January 15, 2019 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

            Merlin, If you mean Mrs May’s agreement (DWA), then the only certainty it offers is being trapped in the EU again.

    • Stephen Priest
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:32 am | Permalink

      We can sum up everything John Redwood says in three words:

      “Brexit is Brilliant”

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

        Stephen, That is because the EU will look after the EU’s interests first and last. Sometimes our interests and the EU’s will coincide. And sometimes they won’t. So we are more likely to thrive outside the EU.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

      Life logic. Great post again. I don’t see how we can vote Conservative either. As I said before, it will look as though we approve of her policy and WA when nothing could be further from the truth. I cant believe MPs can be that blind. They are signing their own death warrants.

      • Lifelogic
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

        Well the Tory MPs retained John Major when he did his back me or sack me “resignation” to go over the cliff, and nearly all voted for the climate change act, they went ahead with HS2 and have given us the highest taxes for 40 years – so they do some very stupid things indeed.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

        Fedupsoutherner, Most of our MPs are fighting the last political war. They are followers, not leaders, so are always behind the curve.

      • Steve
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

        FUS

        Yes they’re playing with fire.

        I think it’s difficult to see how anyone can vote at all come next general election. The conservatives especially are at serious risk of becoming defunct regardless of brexit outcome. They will only have themselves to blame.

        As for Corbyn, well I just think the man’s detached from reality, he’ll fail at the next election.

        Interesting times ahead.

    • BOF
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:40 am | Permalink

      LL On the nail. My MP is of the Stephen Barclay view and I have written to him politely but strongly. Most likely it will make no difference.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:11 am | Permalink

      It isn’t immediately obvious to me that “… voting for the deal on Tuesday is the only way to guarantee Brexit …”, given that Parliament has already passed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018:

      http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/contents/enacted

      and its Section 1 states:

      “The European Communities Act 1972 is repealed on exit day.”

      and its Subsection 20(1) states:

      “exit day” means 29 March 2019 at 11.00 p.m.”

      which is elaborated in 20(2):

      “In this Act references to before, after or on exit day, or to beginning with exit day, are to be read as references to before, after or at 11.00 p.m. on 29 March 2019 or (as the case may be) to beginning with 11.00 p.m. on that day.”

      Unless that is varied under 20(4), whereby:

      “A Minister of the Crown may by regulations –

      (a) amend the definition of “exit day” in subsection (1) to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom, and

      (b) amend subsection (2) in consequence of any such amendment.”

      So this really boils down to Stephen Barclay, the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union, threatening that unless MPs agree to Theresa May’s rubbish deal for exiting the European Union then he personally, or possibly another minister, will propose the regulations needed to amend the definition of exit day as laid down in the Act and keep the European Communities Act 1972 in place beyond March 29th, and probably keep it in place indefinitely so that domestic law will permit the UK to stay in the EU indefinitely.

      Unless of course the Speaker decided to defy statute law and allow Dominic Grieve or some other backbencher to introduce the resolution necessary under paragraph 14 0f Schedule 7:

      http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/schedule/7/enacted

      “Power to amend the definition of “exit day”

      14 A statutory instrument containing regulations under section 20(4) may not be made unless a draft of the instrument has been laid before, and approved by a resolution of, each House of Parliament.”

      No doubt such a resolution could easily pass through the Commons, and would barely touch the sides as it passed through the Lords, but it would probably be going too far even for them to so blatantly defy the terms of the Act.

    • G Wilson
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:38 am | Permalink

      I’m not sure they’re spineless, so much as not being straight with us about what they believe.

      The absurd scare stories are a cover for the real reason for support of EU membership – mistrust and rejection of democracy. EU-philes fear that, free from constraint, we will go back to electing radical reforming governments, which they consider to be too ‘nasty’.

    • Ed Mahony
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:47 am | Permalink

      @Lifelogic,

      ‘Who cares about minor trivial short term disruption?’

      Careful.

      Who would have predicted, The Great Depression, The Russian Revolution, and all the other economic and other disasters and failures of the 20th century? Not saying we could have an economic depression (although we only barely escaped one 10 years ago) nor a revolution (but I could see a socialist government getting into power – and wrecking Brexit and our country whilst the Tories could be out of power for some time). All I’m saying is that it’s easy for things to go wrong if we’re not cautious.

      Yes, to big plans. But equally, yes to being cautious. Like in business.

      • Ed Mahony
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:06 am | Permalink

        @Lifelogic, I’m not trying to throw water on your fire. I’m just saying, be cautious, just like I’d say to someone starting up a business, or travelling through the Amazon jungle on their own. Whatever. It might be amazing but it’s also potentially dangerous too.

    • Johnny Global
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

      Arch-Eurosceptic, the florid Sir Edward Leigh, has announced that he’s supporting May’s deal just weeks after being made a Privy Councillor.

      I assumed, Sir John, that you had been bought like old Sir Ed

  2. Lifelogic
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:45 am | Permalink

    MPs must focus and deliver the prize for the sake of democracy says Stephen Barclay.

    What prize? Does he understand what democracy it? May’s deal is not a prize, firstly we are paying a vast sum for it and secondly it is an appalling “Brexit Name Only” trap. It would be a complete disaster for the both UK and the Tories. How can anyone remotely sensible think it is a “prize”?

    • Stephen Priest
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:35 am | Permalink

      Getting knocked out in the First Round must be some sort of prize then.

      Brexit isn’t a prize. It’s a democratic decision.

    • Andy
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:17 am | Permalink

      It’s Brexit. You voted for it.

      We told you it would be naff.

      You knew best.

      You were wrong.

      Shame.

      • DaveM
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:18 am | Permalink

        Once again, a coherent, factual argument backed up by strong objective analysis and intellectual rigour. I don’t know how anyone could possibly disagree with this level of political and economic acumen.

        At least Newmania actually makes an effort to substantiate his rhetoric.

      • matthu
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

        Wait for it – it hasn’t happened yet.

      • Fed up
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

        The handling of Brexit may have been naff, or even deliberate, but please tell us why you want us to remain in the EU.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

        Andy, Read Theresa May’s DWA. Remaining in the EU’s single customs territory, aligned to the EU’s single market rules, subject to the CJEU, paying vast amounts of money to the EU, with the EU in control of our defence, security and diplomacy, without even an exit clause, and unable to use international law, is not Leave. It is Remain. You voted for it. We told you it would be naff. You knew best. You were wrong. Shame.

        • Andy
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

          It’s not remaining at all. May’s deal takes us out of the EU.

          I agree with you that it’s a naff deal.

          All forms of Brexit are naff. It’s a shame you did not realise it.

          You voted for this naffness, I did not.

          • NickC
            Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

            Andy, Every one of the major policies in Mrs May’s DWA is Remain. Her deal does not take us out of the EU, but keeps us subject to the main EU competences. I agree with you that it’s a naff deal.

            There is only one form of Leave – leaving all the EU treaties for good. Mrs May’s deal doesn’t. It’s a shame you do not realise it. You voted for her Remain naffness, I did not.

          • Edward2
            Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

            I appreciate your irritation andy
            It the price we have to pay for living in a democracy.
            How do you think I felt living through three terms of Blair?

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:20 am | Permalink

      It is Stephen Barclay, acting on behalf of Theresa May, who is threatening to stop Brexit happening on March 29th 2019 as prescribed in the withdrawal Act.

      • Denis Cooper
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

        Interviewed by Andrew Marr this morning:

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13011902.pdf

        he claimed to be a “Brexiteer”; but apparently commitment to our national sovereignty and democracy is “ideological purity” which is “risking Brexit” because “events could unfold” which would stop Brexit … with its none too subtle threats this government is behaving like gangsters in films:

        “Nice Brexit you’ve got here … be a pity if anything happened to it.”

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

      Lifelogic

      “MPs must focus and deliver the prize”

      I doubt the babbling quackery could even deliver a pizza.

  3. Peter Wood
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Good Morning,

    It might now be the case that ‘project fear’ is one of our minor concerns if today’s newspapers are to be believed; Remainers seeking to take control of business from the government to allow remain motions to be considered. This could turn very serious, one hopes that you scholarly Brexiteer gentlemen are ready for a ‘knife-fight in a phonebox’ !

    Ref. the ports issue, if we leave on WTO terms and take back full control of fishing grounds, the French, and possible Dutch and German fishing fleets can be expected to blockade the European ports; they will have nothing else to do… Have a plan ready please.

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

      Peter Wood

      ” the French, and possible Dutch and German fishing fleets can be expected to blockade the European ports; they will have nothing else to do… Have a plan ready please.”

      Simple; ignore them. We don’t need to trade with them. Alternatively; threaten them.

    • Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:28 am | Permalink

      Yes, the fishermen could indeed attempt to block the European ports, but I don’t think the French and Belgian port authorities would take very kindly to that disruption of their business! Perhaps in that case they would police their own waters.

    • Mick B
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

      Interesting comment on EUreferendum blog today saying UK law is subordinate to EU law, and since the date of 29th March is in a EU treaty remainers seeking to take control of business from the government means absolutely nothing.

  4. Dominic
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    John

    You keep insisting the UK will leave the EU at the end of March and yet I read on almost day by day basis that this PM is absolutely determined to prevent that from happening even if the WA is voted down. Which is it?

    Since May’s the PM and the May-Grieve-Bercow triumvirate continues to run rings around the Eurosceptic wing of both main parties I must arrive at the conclusion that May will find a way to ensure the UK’s membership of the EU

    The voter desperately wants the truth. They want to know what evidence will there be to confirm and corroborate beyond any doubt that we have or we have not left the EU?

    An Australian citizen, for example, is confident that their country is sovereign and independent. So does a US citizen. So does a Cuban. So does Fijian. Etc etc. What evidence will a UK citizen have to finally confirm that we have evacuated the EU detritus embedded within?

    Do you sincerely believe that this PM will allow the UK to leave the EU in the event of her nasty and treachery agreement (WA) being voted down or are you simply telling your readers things that you believe we want to hear?

    How do we believe going forward? The nature of contemporary politics is utterly disingenuous.

    I still believe that the thoroughly untrustworthy May will ensure a political fudge will be entered into to prevent our departure and your continued assertion that we are definitely leaving is in fact misjudged

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

      Dominic

      “An Australian citizen, for example, is confident that their country is sovereign and independent. So does a US citizen. So does a Cuban. So does Fijian. Etc etc.”

      But if we display that confidence then we’re racists.

      “Do you sincerely believe that this PM will allow the UK to leave the EU in the event of her nasty and treachery agreement (WA) being voted down”

      She will have to. Firstly under EU rules if she goes for a delay she needs EU27 agreement, which she is unlikely to get. Secondly; if we don’t leave on 29th March or leave by BRINO, all hell will break loose and the perpetrators will probably go into hiding.

      • Cerberus
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:24 am | Permalink

        Terms such as ‘racist’ and ‘xenophobia’ are meaningless without a comparator. Who exactly are we more racist than? The Saudis? Americans? Germans? And what is your evidence for this?
        Always seek clarification and their argument falls away.

        • NickC
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

          Cerberus, No, a comparator is not required. Just look up the terms in a dictionary.

      • GilesB
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

        I fear that the EU27 will agree to a delay on condition of another referendum with a choice between:
        – May’s Withdrawal Appeasement, or
        – Remain.

        There would have to be some fudge so that the UK doesn’t vote in the EU elections in May.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        Steve, Don’t bank on it. The EU27 will do what they’re told by the EU. That is, the Germans will decide and the rest will fall into line. If it is to the advantage of the EU to extend the Art50 process, they will do it.

    • Kevin
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:44 am | Permalink

      JR writes: “government Ministers…should be setting out exactly what we can do in April assuming we just leave.”

      I do not think JR is being unrealistic about what is currently happening among a few hundred people as opposed to what was decided by many millions. Personally, I am assuming that 100 years of universal suffrage will be cast aside within the next 70+ days. Although I greatly appreciate the passion being shown by backbench MPs who are trying to stop that from happening, I would also like to know what the next step is when it does.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

        Kevin, I agree that the abandonment of democracy (revoking Brexit or extending the Art50 process for a “second” – rigged – referendum) is the most likely now. What happens after that will probably be very ugly and immensely damaging to both our freedom and the UK’s wealth for decades. Still, it’s what the Remains want.

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:22 am | Permalink

      Correct Dominic. We just cannot trust politicians at all. They say one thing and mean another. We have been deceived from the day the referendum leaflet was put through our doors. Lies and more lies.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:16 am | Permalink

      If it is published you will be able to see from my earlier comment:

      http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/01/13/spare-us-more-project-fear/#comment-987882

      how under the EU withdrawal Act it would need a minister to make regulations, with the prior approval of both Houses, to keep the European Communities Act 1972 in place beyond 11.00 p.m. on 29 March 2019:

      “(4) A Minister of the Crown may by regulations –

      (a) amend the definition of “exit day” in subsection (1) to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom … ”

      Nothing like:

      “With the connivance of a Brexit-hating Speaker any pro-EU anti-democratic Remoaner MP may get a vote on a simple motion to postpone “exit day”, and if passed by the House that will take immediate effect”.

      It would need a minister, like “Brexiteer” Stephen Barclay, to instigate that.

      Then looking at the effect on the international plane of the repeal of the European Communities Act 1972, the Foreign Office guidance on treaties:

      https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/293976/Treaties_and_MoU_Guidance.pdf

      does not deal directly with cases where the UK is withdrawing from a treaty but the principles laid down in the section on the ratification of treaties must apply:

      “… It is essential … that the UK … does not become legally bound until it has the necessary domestic powers to give effect to the provisions of the treaty; otherwise it will be in breach of its international obligations. Pleading insufficiency of domestic law is not, in international law, an acceptable excuse for failure to implement the provisions of a treaty.

      Accordingly, if domestic legislation is required to enable the UK to give effect to its
      obligations under a treaty, the legislation should be in place before the treaty comes
      into force, so that the two can come into operation at the same time. It is FCO
      practice, therefore, to insist that any necessary UK legislation, i.e. an Act or Order -in Council, must be in place before a treaty is ratified or acceded to …”

      So surely the question is whether the present Foreign Secretary would insist on maintaining that approach in this case and would act to prevent Theresa May just sending off another letter to the EU, either requesting an extension of the two year period laid down in Article 50 or seeking to revoke the notice of withdrawal that she gave in her previous letter, when he was aware that the UK would no longer have the necessary legislation in place after March 29th.

    • Peter
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

      Those who want the clean Brexit we voted for should be prepared for disappointment. The talking stage is drawing to a close. Tuesday’s vote and its consequences will now dominate the news.

      There is talk of May being forced out by hardline Remainers. Labour does not need to do much. Conservative infighting will help their goal of a General Election without the need for detailed statements on Brexit that could upset one faction or another.

  5. Mark B
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Our kind host just does not get it. At this stage we should know what is happening rather than this pantomime that we are stuck in. The world is watching in utter disbelief at a nation incapable of doing that which it so quickly and with little fuss achieved with its former colonies – independence.

    We have a government, and HoC, a HoL, a Civil Service, a media and the establishment that wants us to be ruled by a foreign power in perpetuity.

    I say again, if you do not wish to govern this great country then resign and let someone else do it.

    • Zorro
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:45 am | Permalink

      Exactly

      zorro

    • Kenneth
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:56 am | Permalink

      The PM and some fellow rebels have gone rogue.

      Rather than resign and leave the Conservative Party hostage to the rebels, surely JR, his colleagues and the party membership should urgently purge them from the party.

      A Conservative Party that speaks for the majority, stands up for the 2016 People’s vote and does not meekly send £billions abroad would surely be a powerful and popular force.

      • John O'Leary
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

        The ERG tried and failed miserably.

    • Alan Jutson
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:47 am | Permalink

      Mark B

      If you want to view some straight talking from an Aussie about our EU negotiations, then google and view the interview Julia Hartley Brewer had with Peta Credin on Talk Radio, 11th January 2019.
      Peta Credin was the Chief of Staff for Tony Abbott a past Australian Prime Minister so knows how the systems work..

      She echo’s the views of many contributors on this site including many of JR’s postings..

      As you would guess Mrs May attempt at negotiation was torn to shreds, and examples were given on how Australia tackled similar problems, with simple and common-sense solutions.

      By the way, they trade with the EU on WTO terms with absolutely no problems, have not paid them any money, have not accepted any EU rules in their own Country, have no problems with any delays of goods, and solved the illegal immigration policy whilst being very generous to genuine refugees.

      This interview should be shown to all Mp’s in Parliament.

      She sums it up correctly at the end with “you need to grow some backbone”

      • Mark B
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:18 am | Permalink

        Alan

        Thanks.

        Popped over and had a listen. One thing that Peta said was that she thought PM was in dereliction of her duty. I couldn’t agree more.

      • acorn
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

        “By the way, they trade with the EU on WTO terms with absolutely no problems”. Australia hasn’t traded on basic WTO terms for the last ten years. The EU and Australia have been conducting their trade and economic relations under the 2008 EU-Australian Partnership Framework.

        On 22 May 2018, the Council of the European Union adopted the decision authorising the opening of negotiations for a Free Trade Agreement between the EU and Australia.

        • Alan Jutson
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

          Acorn

          Only reporting the comment made during the interview by Peta Credin which she volunteered.

          I can only suggest that was the situation when she worked for the Prime Minister at the time and perhaps things may have moved on but at least it proves it can be done even if it is superseded later on with a more complicated arrangement.

        • NickC
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

          Acorn, The international treaties that form the basis of the WTO trading system control 98% of global trade. The MRAs and RTAs which are negotiated among two or more states are themselves subject to WTO rules, and registered at the WTO. They are minor modifiers; and we can copy them anyway – if we want.

        • Jagman84
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

          Once they get one with the UK, the EU may find that due to their delaying tactics and pandering to individual interests, Australians may see no point in a deal with the EU, as they will already have what need.

        • GilesB
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

          A ‘Partnership Agreement’ only agrees to have some discussions. It doesn’t have any immediate impact at all.

          The only area they have a trade agreement is a 2008 agreement on wine and that is all about labelling not a free trade agreement. As you can see from this chart, since then Australia’s exports to the EU have fallen

          http://farminstitute.org.au/newsletter/2016/August/Aug2016_Insights_Fig.6a.jpg

    • Fedupsoutherner
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:23 am | Permalink

      Spot on MarkB

    • Richard Evans
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

      I forgot to mention the UN as part of the Establishment

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

      Mark B, Exactly right in every respect. Well said. It is a pity that 200+ dim Tory MPs, including Mrs May, cannot see this.

  6. Zorro
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Let’s be honest – the way that some of this government’s ministers have behaved is despicable. Actively conspiring with foreign powers to undermine the economy of their country, and frustrating the express will of the people to fully leave the EU and actively work for a succesful transition to an independent economic powerhouse. They should be drummed out of office. Their names are known and we have long memories.

    zorro

    • Dominic
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:17 am | Permalink

      Absolutely. I actually feel physically sick at seeing Europhile Tory government ministers appear on my television. Their blatant lies, their deceit and their games makes me ashamed to be a Tory voter. And all of this flows from the top.

      They slander their own MPs as though they were extremists. It is simply appalling that decent, moral people like Rees-Mogg, Redwood and those like them are being exposed to this.

      The deliberate destruction of personal morals to be replaced with political control over human affairs is the success of liberal left politicisation and the Tories embracing of it. It stinks that this has happened and that our party’s allowed it to happen

      There’s got to be a purge in the Tory party or else. A bloodletting, as it were. And the Eurosceptics must triumph

      • Timaction
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:28 am | Permalink

        I agree but can say that I was a former Tory voter until 2010 when I realised how low the Party had sunk when Shameron took control of what was obviously a Liberal Conservative Party with no conservative values, morals, outlook or policies. It was magnolia politics as so little was actually controlled from the UK as they had sent all the powers to Brussels.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:18 am | Permalink

      Exactly. And all conducted by May, Hammond, Carney, Greg Clark.

    • Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:45 am | Permalink

      Correct, Zorro. But we shall have been put into a difficult situation, come the next GE. through Mrs May’s and her puppet masters’ actions. Many of us are vowing not to vote Conservative. We have one of these duplicitous, self-serving MPs here (and he’s in the Department for Exiting the EU, patronisingly spouting the party line about this ‘deal’, in a leave-voting constituency, as if we’re all too stupid to know what it’s all about.)
      Many of us will not vote for him again. He will stand, no doubt – he is a young career politician with an eye to the main chance. But we shall now have to find another who is worth voting for.
      Let’s hope that with the hour, comes the man/woman, or any person worthy of our votes. I hope that by then the Conservatives have come to their senses and included people like our host in their upper echelons.

      • Timaction
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

        Try and get an independent patriot to stand against him. Forget party politics because as it stands they are all the SAME!

  7. Kenneth
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    This is a fact-based posting and is plain common sense.

    Compare that with the abstract project fear stories on the BBC. They are told without detail because there is no detail. It is fake news.

    Project fear is not fact-based because there are no facts, only shrill voices and vague premonitions.

    By contrast, the savings we will make by leaving the eu, whether that is the £39 billion or the eu contributions are mathmatical facts.

  8. agrictola
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Anthony Bamford (JCB) has no fears about dealing with the EU on WTO terms. (Telegraph yesterday).
    He probably knows more about exporting and importing than the 650 members of the H o C combined.

    I am a conspiracy theorist where Brexit is concerned. Opposition to Brexit comes from the Bilderberg secret society, many from the Davos gathering, and the establisment within the UK. All are interconnected. Many in the UK establishment have financial benefit from their historical involvement with the EU. In many cases the benefits are tax free. These turkeys will do all they can to avoid a Brexit Christmas. The British voting electorate are inocents in the game that is currently being played out.

    .

    • jerry
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:23 am | Permalink

      @agrictola; the Bilderberg secret society

      So secretive everybody seems to know about them, what they decide, even who are members, heck it even has a Wikipedia page!

      The only secretive thing about the Bilderberg meetings is what makes conspiracy theorists froth so much!

      “Many in the UK establishment have financial benefit from their historical involvement with the EU.”

      As many also have from their historical involvement with the USA or the Commonwealth, never mind other more recent players on the world stage.

      “The British voting electorate are inocents in the game that is currently being played out.”

      Not so innocent as your conspiracy theory might (want to) believe, hence the Leave majority, but not for the reasons many on the right think. Brexit and the resurgence of the Socialist left are linked in my opinion.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

        Jerry, But the Bilderberg group did start off as a secret society! And I doubt that you really know what their deliberations or decisions are even now.

        Many may profit from their “historical involvement with the USA or the Commonwealth” but neither the USA nor the Commonwealth are about to consummate their takeover of the UK.

        You think there’s not been a conspiracy to keep us in the EU? Incredible.

        • jerry
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

          @NickC; “And I doubt that you really know what their deliberations or decisions are even now.”

          Is every CEO running a “secret society” as part of their businesses, simply because as mere shareholders and/or customers we are not permitted to know something or other. Do we know all what the TUC. CBI and the Mothers Union might be doing or saying.

          Surely the real conspiracy is from those who peddle the conspiracy theories, why do they do so, what is their gain from doing so, if there is no gain why bother peddling unprovable myths…

          “You think there’s not been a conspiracy to keep us in the EU?”

          No more than there was a USSR, or was it the USA, conspiracy to keep us out back in the 1950s and ’60s! 🙂

          • NickC
            Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

            Jerry, You are the one that said about the Bilderbergs: “So secretive everybody seems to know about them”; and I am pointing out that actually they don’t. And businesses in general are not trying to run the entire world. So every CEO isn’t either.

            I rarely cite a conspiracy because I tend to the “cock-up rather than conspiracy” tendency. Nevertheless there are conspiracies – some we know about and some hidden. Clearly there is a conspiracy to keep us locked into the EU – it’s right in front of our eyes.

          • jerry
            Posted January 15, 2019 at 8:41 am | Permalink

            @NickC; “You are the one that said about the Bilderbergs:”

            No, I was replying to their mention by @agrictola

            “I am pointing out that actually they don’t [plebs do not know the facts].”

            But are they blind to the facts or do they simply choose not to see, because the facts do not support their beliefs/wishes.

            “Nevertheless there are conspiracies – some we know about and some hidden.”

            Hidden you say, hum, is that a fact or just another theory? After all, surely if you had the facts to prove your argument such conspiracies can not be hidden by definition!

          • NickC
            Posted January 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

            Jerry, You may have put it in a reply but you still stated: “So secretive everybody seems to know about them”, which is untrue. And not because of your sneer “plebs do not know the facts” – please do not put words in my mouth – but because conspirators choose not to disseminate the facts.

            Nevertheless there are conspiracies – some we know about and some hidden. Clearly there is a conspiracy to keep us locked into the EU. Some hidden conspiracies are revealed years later – that’s why we know there have been hidden conspiracies.

    • bigneil
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:31 am | Permalink

      Agreed – and in plain English – the mega rich want to add another mega to the front. It must be frightening them at the prospect of dipping below a billion in their bank account.

    • Timaction
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:47 am | Permalink

      Indeed. They reform everything and everyone apart from themselves who are in desperate need of modernisation and reform with our electoral system being hundreds of years out of date and only suited to legacy parties from the last century! There pay and conditions also need radical reform for what is a part time job with little or no real influence, voting as told!

  9. Steve
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Another well written article with which I entirely agree.

    Unfortunately it appears yours is one sensible voice amongst the crowd. Moreover as each day passes, people become increasingly angry with ministers. Every day it seems some cretin pokes their head up from the swamp and comes out with a load of tripe.

    We see MP’s abusing democracy left, right, and centre. Including one who thinks herself so elitist as to assume dispensation from questioning by the public.

    We see others breaking rules for personal gain.

    We see MP’s acting against brexit clearly because they personally have investment interests on the continent that do not benefit the UK whatsoever.

    There is even one who is on record as saying that government should have simply ignored the referendum altogether. How disgustingly arrogant.

    People are extremely angry with nearly all MP’s, and unless we leave on WTO only this anger will go exponential.

    The government really is playing with fire, but those in government wrongly believe themselves to be above the rest of us and unaccountable, even to the point of calling the police when a member of the public asks them a question. They do not see themselves as public ‘servants’ but do see themselves as having a cushy number to protect from public scrutiny.

    A disgraceful corrupt mess, the whole lot needs slinging out and it will be by next general election at the latest.

  10. Martyn G
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Food? You make good points, John re source of supply but I wonder whether those who own very large tracts of farmland who are given huge sums of money to do nothing much with it under the ridiculous ‘set-aside’ scheme are active within the remain class? Surely it would be better for the land to be used growing crops for our domestic and other markets – better for consumers, perhaps, but not for them financially, which is why it won’t happen I suppose.

    • eeyore
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:35 am | Permalink

      Set-aside was abolished in 2008. Agricultural subsidies will be continued by HMG after Brexit, in line with the policies of cheap food and self-sufficiency we have followed since WW1.

      Farmers are broadly supportive of Brexit, especially those on family farms who are in habits of independence and self-reliance. I have yet to meet one who would not prefer a fair price for his produce to any amount of subsidy, but as small businessmen they recognise the realities of an interconnected world.

      Incidentally, subsidies just incentivise farmers to carry out works which they still pay for. For instance, fencing may get a 50% subsidy but the farmer must pay the other 50%. Without them farming in difficult areas, like the Lakes and Welsh hills, would be unviable and these landscapes would tumble down to scrub within a decade.

      • Martyn G
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

        Thanks eeyore – I wasn’t aware that it had been abolished, as such. I wonder how much of the acreage involved has been put back into use and if not, why not? Is there a Brexit link? At the moment, under the EU CAP the largest landowners get the most money, which will stop if Brexit goes ahead. Many of the large land owners are nobles and I still wonder if they have brought some influence to bear against Brexit (which increasingly looks unlikely to happen).

  11. Helena
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    If we leave with no deal, our exports of fruit, vegetables and livestock will be subject to 100% health checks at EU ports, and tariffs too That is the standard EU rule for third countries, and so WTO law requires it apply also to the UK. That will destroy our export trade in such products. At least Professor Minford is honest enough to say that a no deal Brexit will destroy British manufacturing and farming. You continue to pretend that there will be no consequences

    • Edward2
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

      Strange that in European supermarkets there is fruit vegetables and meat from non EU nations currently.
      According to you Helena that is impossible.

    • Ed Mahony
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:27 am | Permalink

      @Helena,

      ‘Destroy British manufacturing’

      – Not High End Tech Manufacturing / Services and Related – in Long Term (Servers, Space Satellites, Top Quality Cars, Aviation Technology, Software, Apps, Online Shopping and Other Big Online Brands, Video Games, Green Energy Technology, and so on).

      That’s what we really need to focus on for jobs that pay well, high skills, high productivity, high exports. And we can do that whether we’re in the EU or, in the longer term, outside the EU.

      For me, Remain arguments about Fruit is as bad as Brexit arguments about Fish – both are irrelevant, largely, to our long-term economic stability and growth.

      • Ed Mahony
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:36 am | Permalink

        In fact for me, the economic arguments of both Remainers and Brexiters are irrelevant. In the long-term, we can do well both in or out of the EU.

        For me, it all comes down to Sovereignty and Timing.

        That it makes ethical and practical best sense for a country to be Sovereign. However, Timing (and with it, conditions for leaving) is crucial in achieving this. Get the timing wrong, and Brexit could implode, and with it, the country. Get the timing right, and we get our Sovereignty back, the country survives the dip, and prospers well after about 10 years – with a great future ahead of us (and friendly relations with Europe).

        (Similar to business, you can have a great business idea, but if the timing is wrong, the idea will fail, and perhaps your business too – on the other hand, if you don’t try, then you never get anywhere – and you try by testing the market, we’ve been doing that since 2016, and nothing negatively dramatic has happened as Remainers predicted EQUALLY Brexiters need to remain extremely cautious, like in business, as lots of unknown factors can crop up at any time, and pull back if any serious signs of implosion in our economy and country in general).

    • bigneil
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:39 am | Permalink

      No need to worry about exporting the food for people abroad to eat – the people can freely come here. From the UN Migration Pact to just rowing up to Dover beaches, the Border Farce pantomime rolls on for another successful season – all seats ( on the rubber dinghies ) sold out .

    • Know-Dice
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:02 am | Permalink

      Helena, there is no such thing as “WTO Law”, disagreements are sorted out between member countries.

      As far as borders go, it is not essential to have a “hard border” or even border checks, all that WTO says about borders is that it’s a “risk based” exercise and as we currently import & export to the EU quite freely without risk, nothing will change on 29th March 2019.

    • Zorro
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

      So there’s no third country fruit and veg in EU countries (including UK) at the moment according to that logic….. Have you thought that through Helena??

      zorro

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

      Helena, if as you so boldly claim that is the standard EU rule for all third countries, why is it not being uniformly applied to imports of fruit from the US?

      http://nwhort.org/export-manual/countries-toc/european-union/

      “D. Pest and plant disease restrictions:

      The EU requires that 100% of imported consignments of many plant products undergo phytosanitary inspection upon arrival in the EU unless the plant products qualify for reduced inspection levels.

      100% of the pear consignments imported from the U.S. must be inspected.

      25% of the U.S. apple consignments must be inspected. Each EU Member State may inspect between 25 and 100 percent of the apple consignments imported from the U.S.

      Imported consignments of U.S. cherries quality for a reduced inspection level of 50 percent. Each EU Member State may adopt an inspection frequency, of between 50 to 100 percent of imported consignments from the U.S.

      Apple: A phytosanitary certificate (PC) is required. Fruit must be free of quarantine pests specifically Grapholita packardi (cherry fruit worm), Rhagoletis pomonella (apple maggot), Tachypterellus quadrigibbus (apple curculio), and Monilinia fructiciola (brown rot).

      Pears, cherries and stone fruit: A PC is required. Fruit must be free of quarantine pests specifically Grapholita packardi (cherry fruit worm), Rhagoletis indifferens (western cherry fruit fly), Tachypterellus quadrigibbus (apple curculio), and Monilinia fructiciola (brown rot).

      APHIS requires that the packinghouse provide a copy of the grower pesticide application records for all cherry and stone fruit lot(s) destined for any EU country. Applications of accepted brown rot control materials must be highlighted on the pesticide application record. One application of any accepted material is sufficient to document treatment. A list of plant protection products approved for brown rot control may be found by clicking on this link (Brown rot control materials). This list was excerpted from an on-line version of the Pacific Northwest Plant Disease Handbook published by Oregon State University. Use of any of the materials on this list constitutes effective treatment.”

      As for the relevant requirements of WTO law, under Article 7.4 of the WTO Trade Facilitation Agreement:

      https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/tfa-nov14_e.htm#art7

      the EU should adjust the intensity of its customs controls on imported goods to reflect the assessed levels of risk, taking into account a wide range of factors of which the country of origin of the goods is only one.

      And as can be seen from the above – which just came up on google within seconds because I could be bothered to look for some hard information rather than merely repeating what I’ve seen others saying – that is in fact what the EU is already doing, varying its inspection protocols according to the perceived risks.

    • Lorna
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

      It can not destroy trade ! As 60% is with non EU countries then definitely not all
      There are trusted trader schemes based on agreed standards that could take place by of individual checks .UK can export to other countries outside the EU ,and of course we can utilise much more food that we currently export
      The EU will,have a much bigger problem as we import much more of their goods
      I am sure that we will be able to agree a framework for a FT
      A which under WTO rules we could still continue trading while the Agreement is finalised
      It is possible that the UK a massively successful country in areas like RandD and technology will have to prioritize areas of spending .This could involve traditional farming which is heavily subsidized .other types of farming like the use of towers ,hydrophonics etc May well take its place
      But that Is not a conversation for now

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

      Helena

      “If we leave with no deal, our exports of fruit, vegetables and livestock will be subject to 100% health checks at EU ports, and tariffs too”

      I have to say, Helena, it appears you just don’t get it.

      In the example you put forward, that kind of problem would be rapidly resolved – by reciprocation. They’ll quickly understand how it works.

  12. Tabulazero
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    4,500 jobs at JLR gone.

    • Iain Moore
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:43 am | Permalink

      Because of the 50% fall in their market in China, for betting the house on diesel engines, and getting a shed load of state aid to set up in Slovakia.

      • Jagman84
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

        The Slovakia deal is to move out old tech cars, to free up space in UK plants for the Government (EU) mandated Hybrid and Battery vehicles. That was happening, regardless of Brexit. Being paid to do it is a bonus no company would turn down.

    • Edward2
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

      Mainly due to a drop off in China demand and EU sudden reversal of policy on diesels

    • jerry
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:29 am | Permalink

      @Tabulazero; Job losses due to EU emission laws, and the economic slowdown in China. Try actually reading the JLR press release!

    • bigneil
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:44 am | Permalink

      How many of those 4500 workers won’t be able to pay their mortgage and have to lose their house? There won’t be any council housing available, as they’ll be full of the people who’ve arrived with hands out, done nothing since and never paid a penny in tax. The govt has it’s priorities and neither me, you, nor those 4500 are on the list.

      • Know-Dice
        Posted January 14, 2019 at 10:20 am | Permalink

        Bigneil, a link for your perusal:

        https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

        What you’ll get

        You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
        Housing

        You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

        You can’t choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.
        Cash support

        You’ll get £37.75 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

        Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week. You’ll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine.

      • jerry
        Posted January 15, 2019 at 9:05 am | Permalink

        @bigneil; “How many of those 4500 workers won’t be able to pay their mortgage and have to lose their house? There won’t be any council housing available, [../anti immigrant rant/..]”

        Nothing to do with immigrants, everything to do with UK party politics over the last 40 years if SMI (or better) benefit is unavailable to those unemployed due to not fault of their own, and even without any immigrants there has been a lack of council housing for years, and of course many might well have taken out basically unaffordable mortgages because affordable council house are unavailable – even in areas not affected by immigration.

    • Adam
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

      Tabulazero:

      Jobs creating unwanted products should go as soon as their lack of demand is forecast, not remain until those products are finished as rejected unsold.

    • Denis Cooper
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

      Any ideas about the size of the UK workforce and the usual rate of jobs “churn”?

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

      Tabulazero, This is what Remain fanatics say:

      I have just thought of a problem with Brexit;
      That means no-one else has thought of this problem;
      Therefore no-one has thought of a solution to this problem;
      So there isn’t a solution to this problem;
      That will be a disaster;
      So Brexit is a disaster;
      QED.

      You are a joke. Every Remain “disaster” I have ever heard has already been solved somewhere in the world.

  13. Pat
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    If any of these projections come.true after leaving it will be evidence of massive incompetence on the part of the Government, who took their time issuing the article 50 letter and should have had everything in hand by then.
    Why then does the Government not defend itself from these charges?

    • Caterpillar
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:20 am | Permalink

      Pat, the Govt could have had everything in hand after issuing the Article 50 letter, there was still a couple of years. If course we don’t know what has been done and it seems we will never know. The Govt should switch to no deal, demonstrate what has been done and spend the next two months finalising all changed processes – not scaremongering with panic measures.

  14. Monza 71
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    There is no doubt that the problems around the post-referendum Brexit debacle have been largely caused by those that were determined to fight a covert campaign to undermine the entire Brexit process.

    Since the infamous Chequers meeting this has become open warfare, reaching a pinnacle this week with the Speaker ditching his last shred of impartiality and talk of a coupe to take control of the order of Common’s business away from the Government.

    I cannot be sure whether Mrs May is just plain incompetent or a seriously devious Remainer. She certainly acted duplicitously by undermined her own Brexit Secretary in getting a Civil Servant to secretly negotiate a submissive deal with Barnier and Co behind David Davis’ back.

    At this stage it no longer matters, History will recall that it was Mrs May’s action and inaction that has got us into this almost unimaginable mess.

    Normally the Civil Service will protect Ministers and ensure that pitfalls are avoided. In the case of Brexit, this has not happened. I suspect that the higher echelons of the First Division Association have worked across departments and with Remainer Politicians like Clegg and Co, deliberately allowing chaos to develop in the hope of reversing the entire process. They have almost succeeded. We will know for certain on 29th March.

    As for today’s Blog, the problem for our Host is that there appears no chance of there being a majority in Parliament that will allow a WTO Brexit to go ahead.

    Remainer forces are in a majority in all parties and are absolutely determined to combine across the house to prevent it. Their aim is to force a further referendum or a General Election which Corbyn rather fancifully thinks he might win.

    They are utterly contemptable and an afront to democracy.

  15. Ian Murray
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    My loyalty to the Conservative Party is being tested to the point of destruction by that disastrous trio May, Hammond and Clark. The behaviour of that erstwhile Conservative MP John Bercow just adds to the feelings of anger and despair.

    • jerry
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:38 am | Permalink

      @Ian Murray; You have only just realised the Tory party have been selling the majority down the river?! My loyalty to the Conservative Party has been tested since mid 2010 when Osborne’s policies at HMT started to became clear.

    • Kenneth
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:33 am | Permalink

      The PM does not even pretend to be a Conservative.

      With her recent overtures to Labour MPs it looks like she is trying to become the next Labour leader.

      • jerry
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

        @Kenneth; I agree!

        But do we not need to define “Conservatism” first? In my opinion there hasn’t been a true Conservative since the late 1963, others mileage will obviously differ.

  16. Arthur Wrightiss
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    There is news that the fanatical remainer D.Grieve , is in cahoots with the Speaker to mount what is in effect a coup against the Government. Can this be correct? This is the UK not some banana republic. What on earth is happening in Westminster??
    Corbyn needs to be ready with the removal van…he will be in No.10 very soon and the Conservative Party will be toast.

    • Iain Moore
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:34 am | Permalink

      Not only in cahoots with Speaker Bercow, but Grieve, Soubry and three Labour MPs went to call on Barnier on Friday. So we have Bercow, Barnier and Grieve all meeting one another, though my suspicion is that they are working together to overturn the British people’s vote. In past times people in authority would have valued their integrity, not now, they don’t care less, there seems to be no accountability, the whips don’t care, MPs in Parliament don’t care that the likes of Grieve have gone behind the peoples back or that Bercow is acting more like a despot than a Speaker, and the Conservative constituency chairman don’t seem to care, for they can’t be bothered to reign in their rogue MPs.

      • sm
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

        Speaking as a former Association Chairman and holder of other Party offices, it isn’t as easy as you think to control the actions of your MP, nor – for many reasons – should it be. At best, s/he will listen to the concerns of the Association Executive, but there is no obligation to actively heed them.

        The threat of withholding any active support, whether financial or campaigning, would probably affect only marginal seats.

        • Jagman84
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

          Do you have any control over the choice of candidate? If not, the rest that you describe is inevitable as the MP will have no loyalty to the local association.

          • sm
            Posted January 14, 2019 at 7:03 am | Permalink

            Jagman, the Officers and the Association select their candidate, but once elected:

            a. the MP has a primary duty of loyalty/care to his constituency
            b. then to his Party
            c. then to his Association

            And in the end, candidates for both Parliament and the Party Leadership know a show of Euroscepticism is always helpful, but dare I say it, that show can be/has been faked.

        • Original Richard
          Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

          sm, I’m sure you’re right.

          However, change can happen but only if leavers decide once and for all to not vote for remain supporting candidates as they have been doing.

          To vote for remain supporting candidates and expect a different result from Parliament is the definition of insanity.

      • fedupsoutherner
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

        Iain. Yes, I would hate to be in a war now. You could never trust this lot as they would probably be plotting with the enemy.

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

      Arthur and Iain, You are right, there is a Remain conspiracy happening within our establishment. And our government appears blind to the consequences of failing to leave the EU treaties.

  17. Paul Cohen
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Dominic Grieve

    When Attorney General he showed himself to be anti UK , prissy and a schemer.

    Continuing this trait he is now conniving to overturn the result of the 2016 referendum.

    Voters of Beaconsfield mark this well and obliterate him from the political landscape ASAP!

    Yes – I am angry…..

    • Andy
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:40 am | Permalink

      Good.

      I am a voter of Beaconsfield. I would never normally vote for Mr Grieve. But if he stands again next time I will vote for him.

      And I personally know many non-Tories locally who will do the same. I am confident that we can more than cancel out the frothing elderly extremists.

      Mr Grieve has ensured that Parliament is at the heart of the Brexit process.

      Brexit is down to Parliament not an incompetent minority government.

      Considering you all (falsely) claim to have voted to restore Parliamentary sovereignty in 2016, it is really rather staggering the contempt you all show for Parliamentary soverignty.

      • Steve
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

        Andy

        “it is really rather staggering the contempt you all show for Parliamentary soverignty.”

        Why do you find that staggering ? has it not crossed your mind that Parliament has shown utter contempt for our sovereignty ? So it is fair that we should show contempt for theirs.

        Of course, you are also forgetting the fact that Parliament is there to serve us.

        I find it amusing that you still cannot spell ‘sovereignty’ yet purport to be an authority of the subject.

      • NickC
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

        Andy, Given that Parliament is determined to give away its sovereignty to a foreign power (EU law has primacy over our Parliament’s law), no wonder we voted to leave the EU treaties. We are saving them from themselves. Moreover the people have sovereignty in a democracy (demos=people, kratos=power).

      • Edward2
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

        read thr leaflet

      • Original Richard
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

        Although each Parliament is sovereign, it is temporary and requires renewal at each general election.

        As a result Parliament does not have the authority to give away the country’s sovereignty without a specific mandate, such as through a referendum.

    • A.Sedgwick
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:58 am | Permalink

      He should be thrown out of the CP immediately, his Remaining is a prime example of how useless a “leader” May is.

    • Caterpillar
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:59 am | Permalink

      Paul Cohen,

      Unless we get a GE called for early April so that Brexit cannot be stopped/delayed/tied to the WA then the democracy destroying Grieve, Bercow, etc will succeed. There will be no point in getting rid of him thereafter.

  18. Anonymous
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    Project Fear is there to take the heat off Parliament when it blocks Brexit and then forces another referendum.

    Project Fear = Make the People Think it was Their Idea.

    • Anonymous
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:18 am | Permalink

      Peter Hitchens denies that Dominic Cummings brainwashed people into voting Leave as depicted on TV:

      “It was a great howl of protest from the powerless, at the dozens of ways in which an arrogant elite spurn their concerns, mock their common sense and dismiss them unjustly as bigots.

      If our leaders don’t now pay careful attention to this fury, it will find other much more dangerous outlets. And if Parliament and the big parties keep shying away from doing the jobs they are paid to do, then they will make themselves redundant. I don’t want this to happen at all. I just think it will happen if our governing classes carry on behaving like this.”

      The Sun is also openly talking of revolt against Parliament. It’s about some of the papers and certain journalists were shut down. *sarcasm*

      The extent of my revolt will be:

      – not paying the BBC licence

      – never voting again

      – avoiding tax where I can, including dropping activities that are highly taxed.

      Relky This site does not support law breaking* and assumes you will find legal routes to cut your taxes

      • Anonymous
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

        Yes. Legal routes to cut tax.

        The BBC on the other hand. If it wants to behave like a Marxist State broadcaster then it had better be funded like one – from direct taxation. The Tories have already told us burglars and shoplifters won’t be imprisoned because the system can’t cope so I foresee a mass boycott with many more to follow because they’ll see that they don’t have to pay.

        BTW. I abhor violence and intimidation of the sort we saw last week and as we see in France. Peaceful means only.

    • Caterpillar
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:06 am | Permalink

      Anonymous,

      Yes project fear is a smokescreen whilst democracy is destroyed in front of our eyes. There are two things to truly fear at the moment (i) the destruction in democracy that is going on (little children playing up without realising the consequences of their actions) and (ii) the WA and all that is wrong with it.

  19. Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Your last paragraph makes it sound as if they’ve all been nobbled in some way! There seems to be no other reason at an official level why they would wish our country to be disadvantaged. So a personal one? Surely not.

    We need another ”Buy British” campaign. It is surprising to see just how many products are made in the UK once one takes time to read labels. I have no objection to European products per se, but at the moment while they’re playing silly billies, I’ll spend my money on home made.

    • Andy
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:44 am | Permalink

      I find it particularly amusing that some Brexiteers avoid buying things from the EU.

      Do you ever wake up in the morning and realise just how monumentally silly you are?

      It’s 2018, not 1939. Though we wouldn’t know it from the ill-informed bile many of you spew.

      • Edward2
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:10 am | Permalink

        Why is it wrong to buy locally produced goods andy?
        From an environmental perspective it is a very good thing to do.
        With your youthful liberal political views it is very odd you are against it.

      • Fed up
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

        Pots and kettles here.

      • fedupsoutherner
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

        Andy, I suppose you have nothing against the French or Germans though who support their industries before any others? No, thought not. You just don’t like people supporting the UK. Why haven’t you moved yet?

      • Zorro
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

        People can buy what they want from who they want – with or without your permission!!

        zorro

      • Steve
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

        Andy

        “I find it particularly amusing that some Brexiteers avoid buying things from the EU.”
        “Do you ever wake up in the morning and realise just how monumentally silly you are?”

        Not at all. In fact when I do my weekly shop I don’t buy anything Irish or from the EU. In that way I am only buying local produce, thus doing my bit to support UK business.

        Scottish beef is very good, so too is ‘English’ beef. I’ve even found a local British replacement for the Irish sausages I used to buy. I buy British chips and British pies too.

        British bangers & mash, British stake & ale pie with British chips and marrowfat peas and covered in British gravy…can’t beat it !

        You’ll be too young to remember the days when our diet was seasonal, and we were better off for it. Morbid obesity was virtually unheard of.

        My policy now (thanks to people like yourself, Andy) is to only buy British.

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

      L Jones, I avoid buying EU products whenever I can now. Lots of us are thumbing our noses at the EU this way. It simply makes sense to use our economic power to nudge the Remain establishment in the UK, and in the EU. And if it annoys Andy, it’s win-win.

      • Andy
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

        It doesn’t annoy me at all. If you want to deprive yourselves of great products to try to prove some point then that’s up to you.

        And I have nothing at all against buying locally. It is pointless personal embargoes which I find silly.

        • NickC
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

          Andy, I avoid EU products (avoid, not an embargo) to damage the EU economically. Clearly your protests here and before say that you are annoyed. Good, but that’s just a bonus.

  20. Newmania
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Nothing new; just outright denial. A history of denial should be written. Start perhaps with the attempt to save the Biblical account from the geologists and Darwinists. The scientists lined up to deny cigarettes give you cancer, the Soviet Nobel prize winning work defending collectivised farming, the denial of manmade global warming,the holocaust, the Armenian genocide, the collective denial of broad support for appeasement or the Vichy regime and now the Brexit blight denial . The psychology is fascinating, the repetitive guff itself , less so.

    • Ed Mahony
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:03 am | Permalink

      @Newmania

      ‘Start perhaps with the attempt to save the Biblical account from the geologists and Darwinists’

      – In trad Christianity, the Bible has never been a science book. It’s actually heresy to interpret the Bible this way. Genesis largely describes the spiritual origins of the material world (that the material comes from a spiritual origin, mysterious as that may be) to the ancient people a bit like the poetic power you see in the primordial artwork that inspired artists such as Gaughin. But the poetic power of Genesis is as valuable as primordial art to modern people as it was to ancient people.

      Please don’t interpret the Bible, in the Bible-thumping way of people who I would describe as heretics (I’m criticising their interpretation of the Bible not them as people).

      Best wishes.

      • Newmania
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

        Ed M – Your argument sounds suspiciously modern to me but I am not against Christianity , quite the reverse , this was a particular time and a particular disagreement .There is a great deal more to it than that, in my humble opinion.

        • Ed Mahony
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 7:34 am | Permalink

          @Newmania,

          It was the famous 3rd century theologian Origen who wrote many passages, in particular ‘Treatise on First Principles’ on the allegorical aspects of the Bible, including Genesis. Origen’s take on this was to influence orthodox Church teaching in the early Church and throughout history.

          So not ‘modern’ at all.

          • Ed Mahony
            Posted January 14, 2019 at 7:50 am | Permalink

            Rather, it is the widespread literal-only interpretation of Genesis and the Bible in general that is ‘modern’ (some early Christians might have interpreted it literally only too but they would have been considered heretics on this by the bishops of the Church who ultimately decided what was orthodox belief and what not – Origen, himself, was considered a heretic on some matters, but certain not on the allegorical aspects of the Bible).

    • Edward2
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:17 am | Permalink

      This is the latest line in abuse being now aimed at anyone who isnt a remain supporter.
      You are being all called deniers
      And this post is trying to smear everyone with ridulous comparisons to historical events which a few eccentrics say didnt happen.
      It shows the level of desperation remainers are now stooping too.

      • hans christian ivers
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

        Edward 2

        You are really getting caught up in your own propaganda

        • Edward2
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 9:10 am | Permalink

          No I am not.
          There has recently been articles by remain extremists trying to compare those of us who want to be free of the EU to deniers.
          They then link that word to things like the holocaust and climate change.
          Propaganda?
          What on earth are you on about?

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

      Newmania, So you think the UK cannot be as independent as New Zealand because of Darwin and Soviet collectives? What have you been drinking?

      • Andy
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

        New Zealand is an irrelevant little island which, while scenic, is reliant on much bigger countries nearby.

        It is poorer than we are. It is poorer than the EU average.

        Nick wants to be a poorer irrelevant little island. Nick may get his wish. Nick voted Brexit.

        • Newmania
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 7:38 am | Permalink

          New Zealand also provides an instructive comparison with the UK in its relative lack of progress since the 1970s lacking a vast neighboring market.

        • Edward2
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 9:12 am | Permalink

          Try Australia then andy.

          • Edward2
            Posted January 14, 2019 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

            Lack of progress since 1970 says Newmania
            Irrelevant little island says andy
            Both commenting on New Zealand
            err….
            UK GDP per Capita 2017 was 39,720 US Dollars

            New Zealand GDP per Capita was 42,940 US Dollars 2017

        • NickC
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

          Andy, You are mistaken, it would be impossible for us to be identical to New Zealand: we are a different nation, in a different location, with a c13 times bigger economy. The point is that if a nation as “little” as New Zealand can be independent and thrive, then certainly the UK can. And according to the World Bank NZ PPP GDP per capita is 95% of the UK’s – so actually pretty similar.

  21. BOF
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Project Fear has now been ongoing for nearly three years, ever since the referendum was announced by David Cameron. I and many others are heartily sick of it.

    Last week we had the Japanese PM’s version of ‘back of the queue’. How sad.

    • Andy
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

      The Europhobes carried on their campaign of lies and hate about the EU and its predecessors for nearly 40 years. You are sick of Remain after 2.5 years? This carries on for the rest of your life. Enjoy.

      • NickC
        Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

        Andy, Actually the EU really is a nasty, corrupt, anti-democratic, artificial political construct determined to re-create the Roman Empire in modern times by stealth, lies, mercantilism, trickery, unemployment, austerity, stealing rights, and impoverishment. And you have fallen for it.

  22. Shieldsman
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    What are the facts on Aviation.
    Even under the Withdrawal Agreement the United Kingdom ceases to be a member of the European Community after 29th March.
    Our participation in the European Common Aviation Area ends as does the Commissions legal right to negotiate Air Service Agreements on our behalf.
    The USA Office of International Aviation cognizant of this has renewed the ‘open skies ‘ agreement directly with the UK.
    The UK Department of Transport has legislated through the CAA to take back in house all Civil Aviation Regulation, including those tasks performed by EASA.
    The UK is an ICAO Council Member and therefore, legally, can only conclude a new ICAO ASA with the EU member States.
    Without a replacement ICAO ASA the Airlines of the 27 member States plus EFTA, NO ifs or Buts will lose their Air Traffic rights in UK airspace.
    Currently they are not signed up to a replacement.
    Under EU terminology we become a third Country, and is a further reason for not accepting the Commissions proposed temporary regulation.

  23. Sakara Gold
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    I wonder what the political landscape of the UK will look like next weekend. How depressing to read that John Major, the architect of the ERM fiasco that finished the destruction of the industrial base of the UK, is now calling for Brexit to be delayed followed by a new referendum.

    As the government class plays politics with Brexit and our future, I suspect that the end result of this will be a general election (which may indeed turn into a type of second referendum) followed by a Labour government led by a men with a fat files in the security service Registry.

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

      Sakara

      You can ignore anything John Major says.

  24. Chris
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Tory MPs who believe in democracy and say they are committed to effecting Brexit have let the Remainers proceed with their coup from day one (latest May, Bercow and Grieve reported shenanigans). Your words and actions have been ineffective against this malign force, and as several commenters above have stated you need to do something that is significant i.e. that will actually work. You have right on your side, and the majority of the people in the UK. Very few actually want democracy destroyed which accepting May’s deal will surely do, let alone the reported planned coup by Grieve et al.

  25. Sakara Gold
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    I wonder what the political landscape of the UK will look like next weekend. How depressing to read that John Major, the architect of the ERM fiasco that finished the destruction of the industrial base of the UK, is now calling for Brexit to be delayed followed by a new referendum.

    As the government class plays politics with Brexit and our future, I suspect that the end result of this will be a general election (which may indeed turn into a type of second referendum) followed by a Labour government led by a men with fat files in the security service Registry.

  26. Peter D Gardner
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    I urge you to read the article I wrote for The Conservative Woman:

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/has-may-been-plotting-a-return-to-the-eu-all-along/#comment-4282774047

    You are not aware of my background in defence and intelligence, which is quite extensive. Without going into detail I can assure that the warnings given by eminent figures such as Sir Richard Dearlove are by no means exaggerated. The Withdrawal Agreement commits UK not just to what is in place now in the EU but to what it plans to put in place over the next five years. It is utterly unnecessary unless the intention is for UK to rejoin the EU as re-structured by its new treaties by 2025. These measures will subordinate UK’s armed forces to EU defence policy and are intended also to debilitate UK’s defence industry, thereby eviscerating UK as an independent military power. There are utterly unnecessary unless the Government intend UK to re-join the EU in line with these new EU treaties
    In short Mrs May’s deal is to leave now, technically but not in reality so as to meet electoral commitments, and to re-join in five years time. If passed on Tuesday there will be no escape.
    It is the Government’s last chance to trap UK in what is effectively an accession agreement to the new EU treaties from which there is no escape and also the last chance for UK to regain its independence.

  27. Andy
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    The newspapers are great this morning. The extreme Brexiteers are our in force on fact free ranting duties. They’ve even dragged out Bernard Jenkin today.

    None of you have figured it out yet. All you ever had to do was come up with a plan. A plan which delivered Brexit on the terms YOU promised it would be.

    Vote Leave won because its Brexit plan was appealing. All of the advantages of EU membership with none of the trade offs. They promised something for nothing. Gullible people everywhere liked that.

    You’ve had nearly 3 years to deliver what you promised. Leading Brexiteers have been in Cabinet throughout. Brexiteers have led the Brexit department. They have had ample opportunity to deliver. Mrs May has been hoping they would. Even me, a passionate Remainer, could live with Brexit on Vote Leave terms.

    So why are you not delivering what you promised? My view has been clear theoughout – and I am demonstrably right. You have not delivered on it because Brexit as promised is – and always has been – undeliverable. The EU was never going to allow the UK – or anyone else for the matter – the huge advantages of EU membership without the responsibilities that come with it.

    Fantasy Brexit looked great on paper. Reality Brexit is – we all agree – totally naff. Time to round up the Vote Leave liars so we can hold them to account.

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

      Andy, What EU advantages? No tariffs on c40% of our exports (only 12.45% of UK GDP)? May the good Lord preserve us! You would give away our heritage, our rights, our independence, our wealth, to become just a province of the EU empire for merely the EU’s “assurance” that we get about 1% extra on our GDP.

      And you talk about Leaves being gullible. There is nothing that the EU does for us that we could not do for ourselves. The EU has no “rights” that it has not stolen from its subject states. And it is perfectly possible for the UK to be as independent as New Zealand.

    • DaveM
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

      And you’re accusing the papers of ranting??!!! 😂😂

    • Edward2
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

      It would be nice if leavers were in charge of the process andy.
      Sadly any who are have been removed.
      Its Remainers like you whpo are now responsible.

    • rick hamilton
      Posted January 14, 2019 at 3:21 am | Permalink

      Andy –

      What you are really sore about is that your side lost and you still can’t face up to it.

      Remain failed to paint a glowing picture about EU membership because at the national level there isn’t one except for the trade relationship. Don’t forget almost all of the EU27 have had their constitutions overthrown in the 20th century by invasions, occupations or internal coups and dictatorships. They see the EU as the antidote to all that. We do not. T.May has done us an unintended service with her 585 page Instrument of Surrender because a lot more people can now see the trap that we are in.

      We have made our own way in the world for centuries with considerable success, whatever miserable, depressing and guilt-ridden cast the Left try to put on our history. It’s notable that British business owners like Dyson and JCB are relaxed about WTO terms while foreign owned businesses like BMW and JLR are not.

      I speak as a former long term expat who has been in international trade with around 70 countries for decades. My view is that trade means constant adjustment to whatever politics throws at you. He who dares, wins.

  28. hefner
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    For anybody interested in what happens outside the fish bowl here is an already one month old but possibly (still somewhat?) relevant ukpollingreport.co.uk from 16 December 2018.

    • Edward2
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

      Yes I am.
      Life will go on after 29th March 2019

  29. Everhopeful
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Good grief!
    We are actually paying for this despicable carnival.
    Year in year out our taxes pay for the likes of Bercow et al to trash our parliamentary system.
    How many young men walked slowly towards gun fire for their like?
    We struggle through over-packed trains and roads to earn our pittances and hand a large proportion over to fifth columnists to use as they will.
    We keep the liberal show on the road and this is how they repay us.
    Will they get away with it?
    Where are all the “good men”?

    • Everhopeful
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:37 am | Permalink

      PS
      How can Bercow get away with this when the law is so draconian for us ordinary folk?
      I see there have been several petitions in the past trying to get him out of office.

      • Steve
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

        Everhopeful

        “I see there have been several petitions in the past trying to get him [Bercow] out of office.”

        That’s why he did it. Now he has the labour party wanting (obviously) to keep him in office.

        In effect; the man’s abused his position to make himself sack-proof. Did you not see the disgracefully smug look on his face when he did it ?

  30. Den
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    The merchants of Fear Factor have always informed us what will happen to this country if we Leave the EU. It is time the Leave Campaign listed their own fear factors of what will happen if we did Remain.
    Furthermore, many of those that invent the scare stories are those that have hijacked the ideal of ‘Globalisation’.
    ‘Globalisation’ should have meant the raising of the standards of life for the Third World. Instead, it has raised the profits of the Big Corporations who support the Remain Campaign because of the cheap labour force that Gloabalisation has permitted. The EU Open Borders does exactly the same but to the dismay of many Eastern Bloc countries, it is exporting their home workforce so that they will never fully benefit. Such policies are controlled by the Political and Establishment elites from the Big Corporations and must stop if we are to retain True Democracy in this country and promote it across the world.
    Switzerland holds Referendums upon demand and that seems the only way to keep Government in check these days, as it is clear they no longer consider the people, relevant.
    We should arrange such a method in OUR Country based upon the existing Petitions system. Or would that be too difficult for a British Government even though it operates so well in Switzerland?
    I fear they would, after much fruitless political debate and meetings upon meetings, deny such an arrangement for that would mean too much democracy in Britain and that would not be good neither for the Government nor for the Mandarins of Whitehall. Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  31. Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    The recent collusion of Grieve and Bercow proves that the only way to stop Brexit is to defy democratic process and constitutional protocol.

    Are we really going to delay Article 50? Imagine the outcry if we are forced to spend millions electing MEPs in May.

    Is Corbyn really going to force a confidence vote? The Tory party will not vote to throw itself out of power whatever individuals feel about Brexit and the DUP wren’t going to vote down a government over which they have so much influence.

    May still trots out the same old rubbish “It’s my deal or no Brexit”

    Project Hysteria still rolls on. Will they never learn that the more outrageous the claims get, the less likely people are to believe them?

    British politics really has hit an all time low…

    • Iain Moore
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:32 am | Permalink

      We shouldn’t be surprised the Remainers are happy to tear up the constitutional settlement to get their way on the EU, after all they never cared very much for it. They compromised it to get us in the EEC/EU, and Ken Clarke said he looked forward to the day Parliament became no more than a County Council. So fool on us Brexiteers to think that the EU supporters would ever respect the constitution, for they will happily sell it out to get their way.

  32. G Wilson
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    We’re seeing classic cognitive dissonance from EU-Philes.

    Their prophecies of doom are being falsified every day, so they’re making up more myths and redoubling their efforts to proselytise to their EU faith.

    It’s an indication they know they have lost the argument.

  33. Bryan Harris
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Another message that will go ignored by those that should be listening…

    Clearly, with May’s deal about to be rejected, the plotters are intent on prolonging our agony, any way they can – My bet is on extended negotiations…. But will the EU wear that? I’m guessing they will if May fails to get her deal through. The EU will stop at nothing to keep us in chains, and that looks like the ultimate scenario given that we now have so many people working against the best interests of the British people.

  34. I Turner
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I think this fiasco must now end in a General Election. I live in your area Sir John and will once again have the problem of voting for you (which I am very happy to do) or voting Conservative (which I am currently much less happier to do). I didn’t vote for Mr Cameron but gave Mrs May my support – something I now bitterly regret.

    Since my only other practical ‘Party ‘ choice will be Marxist Labour or Europhile Liberal – none of the other party options are available to me. Of course, you could stand as an Independent and save me all this worry.

    • Lifelogic
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

      What is needed is more real & sound Conservatives like JR. In the first past the post system the Conservative label is needed. Despite the endless trashing of the brand.

    • James
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

      The electorate can be trusted to remember the MPs that tried to obstruct or frustrate Brexit. It is profoundly delightful to know that every one of the charlatans will be voted out at the next election.

      • Steve
        Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

        James

        “The electorate can be trusted to remember the MPs that tried to obstruct or frustrate Brexit.”

        Oh yes, you can bet your life on it !

    • Bryan Harris
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

      There won’t be an election yet – May has about 2 years before she has to face the voters, and that gives her plenty of time to introduce another variety of her surrender terms… It may not be in a written form, but you can guarantee it won’t be Brexit.

      FGS do not vote libdems or labour – or greens – they are all a different shade of socialism…………… Pick an independent candidate.

  35. majorfrustration
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Come Tuesday May will try and bounce Parliament to support her deal via some last minute assurances from the EU- giving no time to assess review or obtain an opinion from the AG.
    Would you trust the EU? Not likely. Suppose the ERG and other supporters might resign the Tory whip.

  36. Dominic
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    John. I enjoy your articles and I appreciate your efforts but your continuing assertion that we are leaving the EU in March 2019 does you no favours at all. We know May will prevent our departure from the EU and she’ll do it by co-opting Labour MPs by capitulating to their demands. May capitulates to anyone for political advantage. It is what she does. Her very presence in our party is a slander.

    You, your colleagues and the nation is being betrayed by this utterly disreputable PM –

    ‘John Mann confirmed this morning that the Prime Minister had promised sweeping concessions to Labour MPs like himself in order to coax them into supporting her withdrawal agreement. She promised that the UK would not only keep existing EU regulations on workers rights and environmental protections, but be legally bound to bring forward all new EU legislation in these areas to the House of Commons.

    Mann said that he had secured “not just a promise from the Prime Minister, but the legislation on the Withdrawal Act will need to meet those requirements.’

    https://order-order.com/2019/01/13/theresa-may-already-bending-labour-demands/

  37. jerry
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    “no tariffs on any imported components”

    Hmm, never heard of CKD, I can see a nice (tax) wheeze with this [1], anyone fancy buying their next non UK car, washing machine or what ever in kit form!

    Surely we want as much as possible manufactured here in the UK, not just non UK parts assembled into the final product here, complete with a “Made in the UK” sticker to complete the fib?

    [1] as happened in the 1960s, getting around high purchase tax rates, sell the product as CKD for home assembly, even Tri-ang toys got in on the act, selling their toy trains as CKD kits

  38. Anthony
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    John, do you have a plan if the speaker gives control of the business of the house to the Commons as is being advertised by the Sunday Times? I hope so because it is looking increasingly likely that Bercow will allow this so that he can prevent any sort of Brexit and be the centre of attention, outcomes which appear more important to him than upholding constitutional norms or the authority of his office.

    If there is no plan, we are in danger of having the Commons vote to force the government revoke article 50 unilaterally, which the ECJ confirms is possible. Then what?

  39. formula57
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    I am more concerned about Project Temptation that holds out the delightful prospects of Scotland and Northern Ireland exiting the Union only to dash my hopes in the face of the same reality that gives the lie to Project Fear.

  40. ferdinand
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    I note that Chris Grayling has said “if ” Mrs.May’s Bill is voted on on Tuesday. Is it a clue to her deciding to pull the Bill again. If she does there is no requirement for a Plan B.

  41. David in Kent
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    They will see May’s so-called withdrawal bill voted down. Actually it’s an agreement to keep us in the EU. The next step is to frighten us off WTO Brexit so as to give them the excuse to delay leaving. Hopefully forever.
    That way we can get back to being ruled by Blair or Cameron and everybody will be happy.

  42. The Prangwizard
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    I continue to be angry at Mrs May for her deliberate distortion of language by attempting to blame those who oppose her dreadful plan as enemies of democracy.

    And we had Grayling on Sky News attempting to blame the people, we the people, if trouble were to come. We are indeed in a civil war. May and her fifth column, a ‘royalty’ intent on holding on to a untouchable power stealing our country from us, against the people.

  43. georgeP
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    The “port of calais” is on our side – am tempted but won’t say a word – we are so near the edge now – it is either crash in or crash out

  44. Sunset on the UK
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Mr Corbyn on the Marr Show today gave me the impression he is going for knocking out Mrs May’s so-named Withdrawal Bill and taking whatever action is necessary and his politburo in agreement, for triggering a General Election at which he will field candidates on the usual variety of menu manifesto appealing to rock-solid mindset Labour voters, presenting a cloudy promise to negotiate with the EU but with the important bit about leaving the EU missing and or obscured by linguistic trickery.
    It worked at the last Election and Labour MPs in the main were elected.
    Obviously Labour voters have grown up a little since then on finding the one thing on the menu which they desired was not delivered, the beef.
    Mr Corbyn is a vegan vague politician.
    Of course Representative Democracy is finished on 30th March 2019. What happens next is really anyone’s guess. Nothing good.

    • Steve
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

      Sunset

      Yes I saw the interview as well.

      If Corbyn wants a general election he can have one, the problem he will face is going to be the same as for any other campaigning party…..no one will believe a bloody word of what they say.

  45. hans christian ivers
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Sir JR

    We are facing a potential major constitutional crisis between Parliament and the Government, which is unique and potentially very hurtful for ur democracy, andyou keep writing about Project Fear.

    Can yuo please explain, Why?

    • NickC
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

      Hans, Yes I can explain. The Remain establishment wants to keep the UK in the EU. So, like the EU, they will bend and break all the rules to ensure their desired outcome. Of course this is corporatist and corrupt, not democratic. So they are aping the EU. “Project Fear” is their justification. That’s why.

  46. Chris
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Theresa May’s article in the Sunday Express article in which she claims she is delivering Brexit and honouring the referendum result receives the most damning criticism possible in the comments section. Principled MPs have got to put an end to this immediately, and fight to win in order to uphold democracy and deliver Brexit. The utter treachery by Theresa May is quite unparalleled in our history, in my view. The Tory party deserves to be destroyed if they do not put in place a leader committed to democracy and honouring the referendum result.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1071241/Theresa-May-latest-Brexit-news-EU-meaningful-vote-express

  47. TheyWontCrushBrexit
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Project Fear has run out of things we might run out of…

  48. Denis Cooper
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    After more than a year I’m now getting very tired of pointing out that supposed “options” such as the “Norway option” and the “Common Market 2.0 option” and also the various “Canada XXX options” all either run up against the absurd extreme and intransigent position over the Irish land border adopted by the Irish government of Leo Varadkar, rejecting any form of customs controls at the border including even the “light touch” controls which operate between Norway (EFTA/EEA) and Sweden (EU/EEA):

    http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/01/04/a-majority-of-conservative-members-oppose-the-withdrawal-agreement/#comment-985819

    or by positing a continuing customs union with the EU to circumvent that obstacle they then run up against a fundamental requirement of the EFTA treaty:

    http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/12/08/amber-rudd-undermines-the-prime-minister/#comment-979414

    If the UK remained in a customs union with the EU it would not have control over the duties that it was imposing on imports, including on imports from the EFTA countries, therefore could not conscientiously sign up to Article 3 of the EFTA treaty.

    On the pretence that it is concerned about a potential resurgence of nationalist terrorism, but in reality far more to protect the Irish economy after the UK has left the EU, the Irish government has threatened to veto any future treaty arrangement which does not keep at least Northern Ireland, and preferably the whole of the UK, under swathes of EU law; and Theresa May has been content to use that allegedly intractable problem as a pretext to give business pressure groups such as the CBI more or less what they wanted, when the correct response would have been that recommended on November 26th 2017, here:

    http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2017/11/26/the-irish-border-with-northern-ireland/#comment-903216

    “So we should now say that rather than kowtow to the stupid destructive intransigence of the EU we will fall back on WTO trade rules and only seek agreements on the practical or technical aspects of continuing trade.”

    • acorn
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

      Where did you get the idea that Norway-Sweden has a “light touch” customs border?

      Norwegian customs seized 322,000 litres of beer in the first half of this year [2018] and 47,000 litres of spirits. But this is believed to be only a small part of the total crossing the border. A bust on September 3 seized 14,000 litres of alcohol from just one Polish-registered truck.

      “A smugglers’ charter on this island being proposed by the Brexiteers,” Irish senator Mark Daly tweeted August 16. “My advice to the U.K. when they leave the EU is: Don’t build the border station too small, you need plenty of space,” says Roger Nilsson, a 30-year veteran of Sweden’s border force.

  49. Newmania
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Many on all sides of the Brexit / Remain divide are disenchanted with a political system that self evidently fails to provide either government or representation for the majority

    • DaveM
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

      Disenchanted is a very mild word!!

  50. Helen Smith
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Likewise Sir John, I have always bought British when possible, for the past year or so I have gone out of my way to avoid buying anything made or grown in the EU, particularly Ireland.

    • margaret howard
      Posted January 13, 2019 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

      How sad to have ones life’s choices defined by such misguided nationalism.

      • NickC
        Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

        Margaret Howard, Not as sad as defining your life by a corrupt political ideology like the EU.

      • David Price
        Posted January 14, 2019 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

        @m howard – It is about supporting members of your community so that when you need it they are willing and able to support you.

        I have had direct commercial and industrial experience of the nationalistic attitude the Germans, French and Spanish practice. They do not hesitate to support their manufacturers and service providers over outside competition. Why do you demand we be different.

  51. Shieldsman
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    What would Andy know about 1939?
    The ill-informed bile comes out of his mouth along with remainers scare mongering.
    I was perfectly well aware of all the EU’s faults when I voted to leave.
    Was the referendum Cameron’s sop for failing to make any changes to the political direction of the EU. All things he promised.

    • margaret howard
      Posted January 14, 2019 at 11:37 am | Permalink

      Shieldsman

      “Was the referendum Cameron’s sop for failing to make any changes to the political direction of the EU. All things he promised”

      We begged to join the EU because it was much more successful than any organisation we helped to establish, like EFTA or the commonwealth trading bloc. The founders of this club will be very reluctant to change their direction on the instigation of a less successful member.
      Do you know of any club you would like to join who would then change direction because you wanted to bend it towards your own advantages?

      As it was the other EU members were becoming sick and tired of our constant demands for special treatment and opt outs. No doubt they breathed a sigh of relief when the Brexit results came through.

      • NickC
        Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

        Margaret Howard, No “we” didn’t beg to join the EU. We were never asked, and the ramifications of Heath’s capitulations were kept secret by the establishment for 30 years because they knew we would not agree.

        • margaret howard
          Posted January 14, 2019 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

          NickC

          “No “we” didn’t beg to join the EU”

          “1967: De Gaulle says ‘non’ to Britain – again

          news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/27/newsid_4187000/4187714.stm

          • NickC
            Posted January 15, 2019 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

            Margaret Howard, Your “we” is just a few Quislings in the establishment. My “we” is the people. We didn’t beg to join the EEC. We were never asked. And the ramifications of Heath’s capitulations were kept secret for 30 years because he knew we would not agree.

  52. Posted January 13, 2019 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Hi, I can not understand why people like those Brexiteers amongst us. Still expect change.

    In my very humble opinion those in the Cabinet and May , all the current wire pullers with any say what so ever.

    Must be thrown out, we know all those people I speak of. They are all Remainers, surely we all know that, don’t we , you surely can not still be believe these people are trying to get us OUT ?
    How can anyone expect change , without change ?

  53. Dominic
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    If the offence that is May manages to circumvent the result of the EU referenda it will fatally damage British democracy and destroy the British people’s confidence in the political class who appear determined to confront the will of the people. Such arrogance can only result in one conclusion

  54. Vernon Wright
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    I was interested and amused to learn from The Times yester-day (2018-01-12) that some of the World’s most highly regarded fund managers — responsible for billions in clients’ assets (and, as against the fools adduced to the Remain campaign by Mr. Cameron, such as the Governor of the Bank, the then Second Lord, George Osborne and every-one’s favourite half-wit, Barack Obama, generally knowledgeable of their subject) — have finally expressed views on the prospect of Brexit that I’ve been extolling (within my private circle) ever since Mayinova (as is ‘May in over’ her head) published — with the aid of her two gnomes — her socialist manifesto and it became apparent that she would lose her parliamentary majority and that therefore Brexit would likely never even happen.

    A no-deal Brexit might not constitute a political or economic problem for Britain but the sheer ignorance of both her populace and her politicians does. I’m in no doubt that the outcome we’re about to witness — likely no Brexit — is exactly what Mayinova had originally intended. I don’t think anything has more disappointed me than Mr. Rees Mogg’s continually expressing sycophantic loyalty to and support of the Prime Meddler, despite the ever widening chasm between her actions and his expressed beliefs.

    En passant: Steve (http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2019/01/13/spare-us-more-project-fear/#comment-987836), W.S.C.’s approach would have been entirely different: ACTION THIS DAY. I simply cannot imagine Mayinova’s dealing so with even to-morrow morning’s order for eggs and coffee!

    ΠΞ

  55. CHRISTOPHER HOUSTON
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Me too, familar twice
    So is Shakespeare, times many,now 🙁

  56. GreesT
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    All of you brexit guy’s are well wide of the mark. There is no El Dorado out there waiting, the Empire has gone, the US, OZ, South America and other countries are not lining up to change their trading habits to suit us and even if the were we have no merchant ships anymore suitable to deal with such huge changes. All we have are the european owned cross channel ferries suited to Ro-Ro. If we leave without a WA then we are going to be isolated and maybe ok with WTO rules for some things but am afraid there will be a lot of pinch points along the way. It’s all very well to say that the port of Calais has assured us there would be speedy access for our trucks, but who exactly is this person ‘port of Calais’ and who can give such an assurance? I have my doubts

    • NickC
      Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

      GreesT, Almost all of your claims here are strawmen. Come back when you have some facts to make your case. If you can.

    • rose
      Posted January 14, 2019 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

      Don’t have doubts. This person is called M. Jean-Marc Puissesseau, and he doesn’t want the Port trade to go North.

  57. mancunius
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Sir John, I’m sure you’ve taken in the reports in this weekend’s Sunday Times (and if not, I recommend you do so forthwith) about the Speaker’s intention to allow a motion on Tuesday that will make backbench motions superior to government motions and business, and legal advice given to the government has stated that such a flouting of the rules would make it impossible for the government to actually govern, and enable MPs to flout the Withdrawal Bill 2018 that they themselves voted for.

    I hope you and your like-minded colleagues have some strategy to defeat this extraordinary constitutional coup which will doubtless be paraded by its virtue-signalling supporters as ‘a show of parliamentary democracy’. It is of course merely another guileful and irrational act of defiance of the referendum result.
    The activist Speaker, who is so implacably determined to thwart the majority will, should be forcibly replaced full-time by the Deputy Speaker, Lindsey Hoyle, who can so far be trusted not to fairly enact the rules of the House of Commons, and not to smash them, as Bercow seems determined to do.
    I’m sure you will want to comment on this extraordinary abuse of power yourself.

    • mancunius
      Posted January 14, 2019 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

      3rd line for the end: ‘who can so far be trusted to’ etc

  58. rose
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Top prize goes to the Today Programme for telling us the other morning that the Government would decide who gets food.

  59. margaret
    Posted January 13, 2019 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    I don’t say a lot as I mainly read contributors and of course John’s blog. I really cannot comment on the future as with so many pulling in different directions it is difficult to say and as Kenneth says fear / speculation is not fact. ( Of course Wittgenstein would say these things are facts in the world as they exist)

    Nick C’s comment about the EU and the UK taking the best of what they want from each other and as an aside the UK using it’s own makes sense,( We are doing this on a smaller scale already)

    When I have time to read Dennis’s comments I usually agree and wonder how much time he spends getting his skilful academic pieces together, but he too makes sense.
    I have a little more faith in the Brits to deliver Eventually……

  60. Lindsay McDougall
    Posted January 14, 2019 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    The extra money should be allowed to fructify in the pockets of the people. What makes politicians think that they know how to spend the money better than we do. When are patients going to be required to pay modest charges as a means to demand management and keeping down taxes? When are we going to reform our railways, creating vertically integrated private sector corridor or regional companies and eliminating taxpayer funding? Railways should be revenue generators, not basket cases.

  61. Ian Pennell
    Posted January 14, 2019 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Dear Sir John Redwood,

    Thankfully, many folk are now inured to the scare- stories around a “No Deal” exit from the European Union. The ability to spend an extra £60 billion over two years (the EU Divorce bill plus net annual contributions) on tax cuts and boosting the public services will counter any short- term negative impacts of a “No Deal” Brexit. After two years Britain could be growing strongly as free trade deals are signed with the USA, China, Canada, India, Australia, etc.

    Unfortunately, thanks to the slowness of ERG Conservatives to recognise the threat and the incompetence/ weakness of Theresa May, the Remainer Majority in Parliament- headed up by Dominic Grieve, QC and helped along by John Bercow, the Speaker- are well on the way to taking control of the Brexit process. They are now hatching a plot to get Standing Orders amended so that Parliament can present bills (in this case one to make a “No Deal” Brexit illegal) and get them passed. As a Leave voter in the 2016 Referendum I am (naturally) extremely alarmed by these developments: No Brexit now looks more likely than a WTO “No Deal” Brexit!

    Labour will table a “Vote of No Confidence” in the Government- probably this week after Theresa May’s ghastly Backstop Deal is voted down (as it will be). You- and your Conservative colleagues in the ERG must vote with Labour to get rid of Theresa May and the likes of Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Nick Boles and (hopefully) the Speaker too (a Conservative Brexiteer needs to fight him in his Buckingham Seat!). Having got rid of Theresa May and then stopped Jeremy Corbyn forming a minority Government the resulting General Election (which can be put back to the end of March until after Britain leaves the EU) should be fought on a popular Tax-cutting, WTO “No Deal” Brexit platform. A Brexit- backing Conservative Government will then result.

    I know Sir, you don’t like the idea of voting to bring down a “Conservative Government” (it’s not actually very Conservative) but having Parliament dissolved- fast and getting back a Conservative Majority is the only way to save Brexit. You must know that and so should your Conservative ERG colleagues.

    Ian Pennell

  62. Ban MPs
    Posted January 14, 2019 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Are you tyrannical religious extremists you g to ban wood burning now as you can’t get proper jobs?

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